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Andy Robinson seemingly corroborates both DF's and Christopher Dring's claims:




Chris Dring's claims (for those unaware):


So does he mean "he wouldn't be surprised if":

A) Nintendo starts talking about new hardware to be released by 2024
or
B) Nintendo will start talking about new hardware by 2024

Either way, this doesn't really add anything to the shelved revision conundrum.

Also, I'm not convinced by his "not convinced" remark. Same with that "haven't heard anything" one.
 
Frankly that makes no sense. Andy doesn't believe there's another "big" game happening in the next two years?
My read on “by 2024” is “by the start of 2024” meaning by the time we enter 2024, Nintendo will have said something about (maybe even released) new hardware.
 
So by big they mean, like, mega seller. 10M+ or whatever I guess?

I think there's been at least one every year of the Switch's life, usually more than one. They seem to think there won't be one after Zelda before late 2024 at the earliest?

Correct, the implication is that heavy hitters are being held back for new hardware. Perhaps Nate and Liam's tease of Nintendo remastering many Gamecube titles is true and we see them next year as "filler"? Things like Metroid Prime, F-Zero, etc
 
I'd say it's safe to assume that every games announced will release on the current model.

Imagine if MP4 is Drake exclusive, those who bought a Switch just for this game (I am sure those exists) will not be happy.
Nintendo gave us botw Wii U, even though you could definitely have argued for canning that version.

And they will do the same with MP 4, and every other announced game.
 
My read on “by 2024” is “by the start of 2024” meaning by the time we enter 2024, Nintendo will have said something about (maybe even released) new hardware.
Ah yeah I didn't read that correctly. So he expects them to talk about it before 2024.


Anyway all of this is at odds with the idea that they're planning for a long cross-gen period, so I'm not sure what to think.
 
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it's a bummer to think about but if it's true that Nintendo is winding things down for a late 2024 launch then creating a bunch of long-term DLC was a great idea

Switch doesn't need games for the next two years to feel active if Splatoon and Mario Kart are consistently getting new stuff
 
Which, honestly I agree with. Even for his own sanity I'd agree if he didn't want to share any information here just so this thread could engage in some healthier debates and discussion.

The spiraling is definitely getting intense, and I know well enough I'm getting caught up in it just to push back against toxicity that seemingly emanates from this thread when it's not checked. I don't want to see Famiboards fall into the same pitfalls as Era did from people feeling alienated from a community that as a result only becomes the worst of the worst. People lash out at others, I'd just as easily lash out at Nintendo for failing to provide hardware that allows a fanbase to foam at the mouth like this, but realistically we all need to look inwards more and find out what makes us so angry about video games in the first place. Disappointment is fine, expressing frustration is fine, but this anger that is bubbling over like now worries and concerns me.

I don't know where I was going with this, I sort of blanked and don't feel like editing that stream of conscious thought, but in essence I do agree with you. I apologize if anything I said came off as abrasive; I'm more ruffled by other posters truthfully.
I understand and appreciate that, no worries. :)
 
The thing is that if they bring megatons in this 2023-early 2024 without the succesor, Are they going to leave Drake (lets say switch 2) empty of Nintendo big exclusives for 4-5 years?
 
Frankly that makes no sense. Andy doesn't believe there's another "big" game happening in the next two years?
I think they may talk about games like Animal Crossing, pokémon, Smash, Mario Kart etc.

We already know about games like Pikmin and Fire Emblem, and game like DK are heavily rumored.

If this new hardware is out not before 2024, maybe the next Mario will be out at launch, and if a 2024 launch is the plan, it could very well be a early 2024 launch.
 
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I'd say it's safe to assume that every games announced will release on the current model.

Imagine if MP4 is Drake exclusive, those who bought a Switch just for this game (I am sure those exists) will not be happy.
Metroid is still a niche franchise. Prime 4 hitting even 5 mil would be pretty good, all things considered, and a new record for the series. As much as I'd prefer MP4 to be exclusive to the new hardware (not out of a desire to exclude folks, but simply to see it be the best it can be), I don't at all think Nintendo would be up for sacrificing the massive install base of the current Switch.
 
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it's a bummer to think about but if it's true that Nintendo is winding things down for a late 2024 launch then creating a bunch of long-term DLC was a great idea

Switch doesn't need games for the next two years to feel active if Splatoon and Mario Kart are consistently getting new stuff
This feels like a repeat of the Wii to Wii U transition and the exact opposite of what Iwata said in investor briefings in 2014-2015.

I'm not sure I buy it.
 
Hyrule Warriors 2 is my guess.

After thinking about it. I can’t actually believe how people are reacting to a throw away comment by a guy who makes retro videos on DF (who by the way has absolutely zero history of insider information especially around hardware… just like me). We all pretty much knew the original plan for a Switch Pro was probably superseded by a newer Nvidia chip equipped console as time went on.

I asked about this last night and a new upgraded, more powerful Switch was 100% in the works circa 2019/2020 but the main reason it was scrapped / put on hold in the short term (a reason anyone with a brain can also work out) was because of a combination of the Covid pandemic and the huge chip shortages and the resulting worldwide shipping and supply constraints that followed which are still being felt today and one of the reasons we didn’t get Drake this Holiday season.

And to the smarmy prick who posted the “by magic” gif when I talked about going from a 2x overall bump in specs (which DF John referenced) to a 10x CPU / 6x GPU bump in specs (which was a random number for an example the GPU is also closer to 10x) during the shift from Pro to Drake, it’s because of the architectural gains the newer Nvidia chip has and the smaller node as the product moved from a late 2020 release to a planned late 2022 release and was then finally delayed until Q2 2023 to launch with Zelda 2.

Have people forgotten about the leaked Nvidia specs?

Have people forgotten about the Bloomberg article where 10 developers went on record that they had devkits for a new Nintendo console?

Have people forgotten all of Nate’s hard work, risks and insider info (the first to break the news that DLSS was being utilised inside the new console).

Have people forgotten the info that I have provided. Info from perhaps the largest studio in the entire industry I might add (like I always said feel free to ignore me as I have zero track record… just like DF John).

Nah I think you’re all just ungrateful for the risks people take to inform and help what was at one time a great community. Like Nate I’m off.

Please could a mod nuke my account later today if you want to leave this final post up for the few regular people that actually appreciate time, effort and risk. If not delete my account now please.

You’ll all have Drake next May. Have a good one.
Since the new content of DF, it is true that quite a few users (who were not recurring in the thread) have entered to intoxicate the conversation.

It is a pity that because of a few, the thread is deviating and each time the users who have been recurring with more or less frequency are being displaced by people lacking in education.

From my point of view, the best we can do is ignore those users who only want to bring bad vibes to the thread.
 
Its not an arbitrary year count, but proper planning. There is no way Nintendo could have forecasted that Switch in its 5th year on the market would still be selling upwards of 20 million units a year. They plan ahead assuming that eventually sales will start to taper off, and there are examples in the past where this can happen suddenly. The curve might not always look like a nice bell curve, but instead can look like the first hill of a roller coaster.

Exactly, if its not shown off by the next Nintendo Direct then its not coming in 2023. The Zelda TotK delay just makes me to damn suspicious. There is no doubt in my mind that Nintendo could have met the holiday 2022 deadline, and even if they did decide to delay it for scheduling reasons, why not March 20223? That would line up with them have a big push right before the end of the fiscal year helping to boost their financial report. Localization for voice act icing is one of the last things they do with a game and they have been doing that for a while now. Certainly seems like the decision was made for reasons other than the games development was behind.

There was no way Drake or any Orin based chip could have been ready for 2020/2021. So whatever Nintendo was planning to spec in the Switch Pro certainly wasn't an Orin derivative. Switch OLED released in October 2021, seems likely that it shares parts with what would have been the Pro model. You would have to assume it was either going to be a Tegra X1 variant, possibly the X1 Parker or maybe an Xavier variant. I still think there was a whole lot of information that was being mistaken for the Switch Pro when in fact that model had long since been scraped and was really info about Switch 2.

I know what CES is, but not super familiar with how these things are shown off. Is it customary for devices to be shown and specific SOC model numbers to be referenced?
So I think the pro was canceled in the first half of 2021, but it might have been intended for a 2022 release, it was just scrapped around that time.

A 8nm T239 would have hilariously low clocks by Nintendo's standards, there is info that T239 had some power performance problems that hadn't been worked out yet, which could have been solved by moving to a more advanced node, which the DLSS test LiC posted about 40 pages ago or so, would indicate T239 power draw is fixed, with twice the power efficiency over Orin in the same tests at the same configuration and clock. That sounds like Samsung 5nm, and a die shrink can take less than a year. That's around the time engineering samples for the current Drake released, and that also a lines with Nintendo delaying Zelda, likely because Drake was ready for production in time for may 2023 (my speculation there).

As for CES, yeah its very tech focused, so the specs are usually all known when a product is announced at CES.
 
the next zelda could very well take another six years. with cross-gen it'll matter a lot less of course but switch 2 would wind up feeling like wii u on that front. maybe an ocarina of time hd would help fill that gap, as wind waker hd did then?
 
2D Mario is surely a very big game and we know its coming to Switch next FY

I still dream with linear 3D Donkey Kong, mainly made by NST, while Tokyo + 1UP are dealing with next gen 3D Mario

And wouldn’t surprised they have made deals with some third parties like Capcom with Resident Evil. (Or some good surprise like a Ridge Racer from Bandai-Bamco)

+ various remasters/remakes like F-Zero GX, Kid Icarus Uprising, Prime 1, idk. KIU is a Sakurai game and Nintendo treats him like Sony does with Kojima, so I have faith it will be a very heavy remaster (almost remake) with big marketing push.

FY2023/24 will be fine, I’m sure.

Then by FY2024/25…

  • New Mario Kart (Spring?)
  • New 3D Mario (Fall?)
  • Metroid Prime 4* (Fall?)
  • 2D Zelda* (Summer?)
  • Fire Emblem 4 Remake* (Summer?)
  • New Monolith Soft title (Spring?)
  • New Platinium Games exclusive (Summer?)
  • New Koei-Tecmo Team Ninja exclusive (Winter?)
  • New Camelot project*
*denotes cross-gen

What mostly conserves me are as said before the long rumoured third party exclusive ports….
 
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the next zelda could very well take another six years. with cross-gen it'll matter a lot less of course but switch 2 would wind up feeling like wii u on that front. maybe an ocarina of time hd would help fill that gap, as wind waker hd did then?

Well yeah, a 5 years and non less is common nowadays between a AAA blockbuster and another. I would love a 2D episode inbtween, possibily a brand new one.
 
I know what CES is, but not super familiar with how these things are shown off. Is it customary for devices to be shown and specific SOC model numbers to be referenced?
Depends on the products (phones and tvs do sometimes), but if its a nvidia product (new shield) then they will have to argue for its benefits to the old one.
That means from the features it should at least be obvious if there are other candidates.
If they mention a specifig soc we already know, its a big blow against new switch. If they play defense and the features dont map onto an existing chip/board it would be a hint for Drake since they wont produce a chip just for the shield.
 
entering a quiet period for nintendo feels so wrong when it seems like so much is overdue
quiet period is the default for Nintendo. insiders tend to know very little until games are close to reveal. I can't recall any Nintendo game/hardware that was known very early from NIntendo sources
 
I don't think we should read too much into the "no big games" claim because (a) it seems to be speculative and (b) it depends on a subjective definition of "big"

If "big" just means Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, etc, then yeah, sure, I could see that. Doesn't mean much though

If "big" means big sellers, then again, I can see it but it's a silly definition of "big". It would still exclude Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Metroid, and many other series which Nintendo markets heavily and clearly considers important

If "big" means any of those first-party games which Nintendo markets heavily, then color me skeptical. Unless "for some time" refers to a shorter period than we thought, e.g. through the summer months, which makes it not a particularly meaningful statement
 
it's a bummer to think about but if it's true that Nintendo is winding things down for a late 2024 launch then creating a bunch of long-term DLC was a great idea

Switch doesn't need games for the next two years to feel active if Splatoon and Mario Kart are consistently getting new stuff
I think it's a bit early to say they are winding things down, but there is a lot of DLC indeed, and the last Xenoblade DLC had a stand alone retail release, so I expect at least one of that type this year.
I think the timing of their DeNA partnership is mildly interesting. Switch came out 2 years after their first partnership was announced, and I am expecting the next system to be 2 years after the newly announced partnership (although it officially doesn't start until next April)
 
2D Mario is surely a very big game and we know its coming to Switch next FY

I still dream with linear 3D Donkey Kong, mainly made by NST, while Tokyo + 1UP are dealing with next gen 3D Mario

And wouldn’t surprised they have made deals with some third parties like Capcom with Resident Evil. (Or some good surprise like a Ridge Racer from Bandai-Bamco)

+ various remasters/remakes like F-Zero GX, Kid Icarus Uprising, Prime 1, idk. KIU is a Sakurai game and Nintendo treats him like Sony does with Kojima, so I have faith it will be a very heavy remaster (almost remake) with big marketing push.

FY2023/24 will be fine, I’m sure.

Then by FY2024/25…

  • New Mario Kart (Spring?)
  • New 3D Mario (Fall?)
  • Metroid Prime 4* (Fall?)
  • 2D Zelda* (Summer?)
  • Fire Emblem 4 Remake* (Summer?)
  • New Monolith Soft title (Spring?)
  • New Platinium Games exclusive (Summer?)
  • New Koei-Tecmo Team Ninja exclusive (Winter?)
  • New Camelot project*
*denotes cross-gen

What mostly conserves me are as said before the long rumoured third party exclusive ports….
2D Mario is big, but it's not a system seller or a game that people will get super hyped for. I think that's probably the only decent sized title we get after Zelda.
 
Yeah this is exactly where I'm at. The confusion lies in whatever Nate is telling us he heard, and hopefully he clarifies that.
I, you, ReddDread, and others have politely (some perhaps not so politely) asked him to clarify his contradictory statements to put an end to the debate and confusion, and he has steadfastly refused to do so.
 
It's unfortunate some went from "speculating" to just downright saying hardware is absolutely coming in the first half or just completely denying the idea that Nintendo could end up just waiting to 2024. The amount of toxicity that will occur if nothing comes up in the 1H of next year or is shown off by E3 is going to be annoying. Really why I harp on language by some. I want the speculation without the bullshit like what we just experienced over Nate's comment lmao. I'm getting too old for shit like that. Growing up on gaf will do that to a person haha. I'm only 27, but that shit during the NX years aged me by at least 15 years.
Exactly, if its not shown off by the next Nintendo Direct then its not coming in 2023. The Zelda TotK delay just makes me to damn suspicious. There is no doubt in my mind that Nintendo could have met the holiday 2022 deadline, and even if they did decide to delay it for scheduling reasons, why not March 20223? That would line up with them have a big push right before the end of the fiscal year helping to boost their financial report. Localization for voice act icing is one of the last things they do with a game and they have been doing that for a while now. Certainly seems like the decision was made for reasons other than the games development was behind.
Perhaps or maybe it makes sense if you take what Andy Robinson and Dring are saying about the 2023 lineup. I just think they are being very disrespectful to Pikmin 4 lmao

I don't think we should read too much into the "no big games" claim because (a) it seems to be speculative and (b) it depends on a subjective definition of "big"

If "big" just means Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, etc, then yeah, sure, I could see that. Doesn't mean much though

If "big" means big sellers, then again, I can see it but it's a silly definition of "big". It would still exclude Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Metroid, and many other series which Nintendo markets heavily and clearly considers important

If "big" means any of those first-party games which Nintendo markets heavily, then color me skeptical. Unless "for some time" refers to a shorter period than we thought, e.g. through the summer months, which makes it not a particularly meaningful statement
Well I believe Nate when he says there is a remake for a Fire Emblem game. FE has become very important to Nintendo and it's not Mario big but it's pretty decent sized lol. And ofc Pikmin 4. If big means Mario, Zelda, and the sort then it's a nothing burger statement and I'm inclined to lead with that lol. Nobody should get bent out of shape over it.
 
the next zelda could very well take another six years. with cross-gen it'll matter a lot less of course but switch 2 would wind up feeling like wii u on that front. maybe an ocarina of time hd would help fill that gap, as wind waker hd did then?

If the next 3D Zelda game (after TOTK) isn't coming out until 2029/30, I would expect a lot of remakes in between. Hopefully at least one new 2D game as well.
 
A 2023 lineup of Zelda, Fire Emblem, 2D Mario, Pikmin 4, and some smaller titles and ports like Bayonetta Origins and Kirby Return to Dreamland would still be pretty good and it's completely in line with what we know. I'm just not expecting anything big like 3D Mario.

I'm debating on making this its own thread tbh
 
A 2023 lineup of Zelda, Fire Emblem, 2D Mario, Pikmin 4, and some smaller titles and ports like Bayonetta Origins and Kirby Return to Dreamland would still be pretty good and it's completely in line with what we know. I'm just not expecting anything big like 3D Mario.

I'm debating on making this its own thread tbh
That's what I see 2023 looking like. Good feel could also put a game out as they are due. Metroid Prime HD would be a good October game.
 
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Damn. What I miss?
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Legit question, what are the chances this ends up being a bit supermetaldavey where we have the info but are making the wrong conclusions from it?
0% because SMD never had any info in the first place. we have from the horse's mouth a chip being tested from nintendo. if it's different than expectations, that's because something changes
 
A 2023 lineup of Zelda, Fire Emblem, 2D Mario, Pikmin 4, and some smaller titles and ports like Bayonetta Origins and Kirby Return to Dreamland would still be pretty good and it's completely in line with what we know. I'm just not expecting anything big like 3D Mario.

I'm debating on making this its own thread tbh

Everything besides Pikmin (and the rumored 2D Mario you mentioned) is dated within the first five months of the year. Nintendo has a really good first half for 2023. Nintendo always keeps stuff close to the vest to share during the year.

Most likely there won't be another Pokemon game in 2023 since they just shipped Arceus and Scarlet/Violet, but the second half can still be just fine.
 
Damn. What I miss?
Rumor mill has it that a planned Nintendo Switch refresh was canned. The specifics of said device are largely unknown, but some speculate that it wasn't Drake, since that hardware seems to still be getting updates as of fairly recent. What that leaves us with is the question of whether a hardware might still launch in 2023, and when exactly this refresh was canned.
 
A 2023 lineup of Zelda, Fire Emblem, 2D Mario, Pikmin 4, and some smaller titles and ports like Bayonetta Origins and Kirby Return to Dreamland would still be pretty good and it's completely in line with what we know. I'm just not expecting anything big like 3D Mario.

I'm debating on making this its own thread tbh
bayonetta origins is a new game
 
It's unfortunate some went from "speculating" to just downright saying hardware is absolutely coming in the first half or just completely denying the idea that Nintendo could end up just waiting to 2024. The amount of toxicity that will occur if nothing comes up in the 1H of next year or is shown off by E3 is going to be annoying. Really why I harp on language by some. I want the speculation without the bullshit like what we just experienced over Nate's comment lmao. I'm getting too old for shit like that. Growing up on gaf will do that to a person haha. I'm only 27, but that shit during the NX years aged me by at least 15 years.

Perhaps or maybe it makes sense if you take what Andy Robinson and Dring are saying about the 2023 lineup. I just think they are being very disrespectful to Pikmin 4 lmao


Well I believe Nate when he says there is a remake for a Fire Emblem game. FE has become very important to Nintendo and it's not Mario big but it's pretty decent sized lol. And ofc Pikmin 4. If big means Mario, Zelda, and the sort then it's a nothing burger statement and I'm inclined to lead with that lol. Nobody should get bent out of shape over it.
I really hope I'm not being read this way. I don't know that Drake is coming in 1st half 2023. Because of some things I keep mentioning, I do believe it is coming with Zelda, but if it misses Zelda, it won't be next year.
 
No…Nintendo stopped caring about computational power in order to keep up with pc gaming of the day long ago. Rightly so. Nintendo systems are to sell Nintendo games, not 3rd party pc type gaming. Xbox and PlayStation need to because THEY are platforms used mostly to play 3rd party AAA pc type gaming of the day.

The “gimmicks” are new ways of gameplay that Nintendo sincerely and earnestly believe can make Nintendo games more “fun/unique” to play.
Huh, no? Even back to the Wii presentation, that's clearly a copout from Iwata's part for simply releasing a disappointing, gimmicky system. One of the reasons that Wii U failed was precisely because it was too underpowered to realistically compete with the other two home consoles in the home console space, it couldn't run the third parties that PS4 and XOne could. I don't think those "new" ways of gameplay were anything serious after the Wii, the Gamepad flopped and Switch ditched its gimmicks related to HD rumble and all. There's no interest in pursuing them anymore, per see (only if giving you a stationary TV output was crazy enough for you).

Also, you talk like PlayStation didn't have a myriad of 1st party exclusives that Nintendo can only dream of making right now, as well as the 3rd party "PC" (you wouldn't use that term if you knew how wasted high-end PCs are) games you talk about. That might apply for Xbox's poor management, but not PlayStation Studios.
 
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Everything besides Pikmin (and the rumored 2D Mario you mentioned) is dated within the first five months of the year. Nintendo has a really good first half for 2023. Nintendo always keeps stuff close to the vest to share during the year.

Most likely there won't be another Pokemon game in 2023 since they just shipped Arceus and Scarlet/Violet, but the second half can still be just fine.
I'm just listing examples. I don't expect anything big outside of 2D Mario in H2 (Pikmin is great but I wouldn't exactly call it big). We'll get a couple of ports, some smaller titles like Mario Sluggers, and a ton of DLC. If Nintendo really does plan on releasing Switch 2 in 2024, then a big 2023 is unnecessary. Save some titles for the next system.
 
I'm just listing examples. I don't expect anything big outside of 2D Mario in H2 (Pikmin is great but I wouldn't exactly call it big). We'll get a couple of ports, some smaller titles like Mario Sluggers, and a ton of DLC. If Nintendo really does plan on releasing Switch 2 in 2024, then a big 2023 is unnecessary. Save some titles for the next system.
It's definitely going to be a DLC heavy year. NDCube is also due for a party game I believe. Don't know if they'll dip into the Mario Party well. I predicted an Animal Crossing party game in that predictions thread.

There is also the rumored FE remake that Nate mentioned. No reason to think he is wrong about that tbh.
 
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quiet period is the default for Nintendo. insiders tend to know very little until games are close to reveal. I can't recall any Nintendo game/hardware that was known very early from NIntendo sources
The only one that comes to mind is 3D All Stars which supposedly started development in February/March 2020 and was leaked by the end of March
 
Objectively, a Wii HD console, capable of playing any ps360 port, that also provides a new gameplay interface option…is absolutely better than just the Wii.

That’s all the Wii U was.
Objectively a Wii with a pizza oven attached would be better, but it would not make a good product. People didn't care about the new gameplay interface option, so what we were left with was a 2012 machine capable of playing ports from 2005 hardware, at higher price, that didn't make much use of the control setup that made its predecessor notable.
 
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