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[ILikeFeet]

We are back in the loop. And there's nothing Nate can do to break the loop.

Tales from the Nintendo Loop

 

[Vash]

What sucks for me is I'm definitely going to take off work for the new Zelda but if it launches with new hardware, I most likely won't have that hardware day and date. I'm planning on playing that shit from 12am - 4am then sleep and start the cycle anew.

Maybe they launch the console a few weeks in advance so people can actually get it. Hopefully.

 

[bloopland33]

The new Drake barometer will drop today. Fortnite is getting UE5.1 features including lumen and nanite. Series and ps5 will feature them in 60fps and off at 120fps mode. Fortnite on Switch runs at 30fps, so maybe Drake can do the same with lumen enabled?

The Next Generation of Fortnite Battle Royale is Powered by Unreal Engine 5.1

Fortnite Battle Royale is now on Unreal Engine 5.1. Nanite, Lumen, Virtual Shadow Maps, and Temporal Super Resolution are available in-game. Read more!

www.epicgames.com

Wonder how pretty a version Drake will be able to pull off at 60fps.

 

[Concernt]

What sucks for me is I'm definitely going to take off work for the new Zelda but if it launches with new hardware, I most likely won't have that hardware day and date. I'm planning on playing that shit from 12am - 4am then sleep and start the cycle anew.

Maybe they launch the console a few weeks in advance so people can actually get it. Hopefully.

I believe this launch ahead of time to have units on shelves will be the case but I don't think the regulars would like to see me do another repost of the list of reasons the new console will launch before May.

 

[Raccoon]

launch before may would make me pog

do a little jig, even

the splatoon and pokemon bundles were out two weeks ahead of their respective games iirc, and two weeks before zelda is right before that sweet sweet golden week slot

 

[Ojoloco]

Yeah, exists the possibility that the Switch drake can be release with other game (for example, Pikmin 4 or Metroid Prime remake and third party flagship games) before may, and release later a bundle with TotK in May

 

[ILikeFeet]

Wonder how pretty a version Drake will be able to pull off at 60fps.

in the next several days, I'm sure people will test how low they can go. but in the meantime, here's a 1060 running with RT

 

[Herb Alpert]

Yeah, exists the possibility that the Switch drake can be release with other game (for example, Pikmin 4 or Metroid Prime remake and third party flagship games) before may, and release later a bundle with TotK in May

I can't see less than 2 months between announcement and release.
Announcement mid or late january and release alongside Zelda is the earliest I can see.

 

[NineTailSage]

Tales from the Nintendo Loop

You've heard it here first people, Microsoft plans on porting an exclusive version of Death-loop to the Drake Switch model with VR integration that leads players back to the worst Famiboards doom posts about the Drake Switch! Talk about breaking the 4th wall...

 

[KMStwo]

Switch Advance

I like Switch Advance but I prefer Switch 2 or Switch Gen 2. One of the reasons is because of continuity, what would they call the next gen Switch after the "Switch Advance" assuming there is a next gen Switch after it? And this also applies to any suffix or prefix. I'm afraid we might fall into XBox naming territory if so... Which is not outright terrible but still...

 

[Deleted member 887]

Nontondo Swortch
Nintendo Sweet-ch
Nniinntteennddoo Sswwiittcchh
Family Computer

 

[karmitt]

I can't see less than 2 months between announcement and release.
Announcement mid or late january and release alongside Zelda is the earliest I can see.

If they do a mid January announcement and release mid or late March that’s 2-2.5 months. Not sure why May is the earliest based on what you’re saying.

 

[ILikeFeet]

You've heard it here first people, Microsoft plans on porting an exclusive version of Death-loop to the Drake Switch model with VR integration that leads players back to the worst Famiboards doom posts about the Drake Switch! Talk about breaking the 4th wall...

more of a reference to this

which would lead to more fucked up things

 

[bloopland33]

in the next several days, I'm sure people will test how low they can go. but in the meantime, here's a 1060 running with RT

Thanks for the vid. I really hope Lumen is possible at 60fps.

 

[NateDrake]

I think people should just be safe in the knowledge that nothing Nate knows (or in my case heard) has changed since earlier this year outside the launch being delayed from H1 to H2 '23.

No new major details doesn't mean there's not things happening but between the NV leak, Nate's info (and my info if people want to take my word for it) we pretty much know what to expect and when to expect it (Zelda launch imo).

I guess people are just bored with no new info. Go play some games nerds !!

To be clear: I'm not saying whether something has or has not changed from earlier this yr or from Oct '21. As said previously, when I am given enough confirmation, I'll share/report what I'm currently chasing down.

 

[YolkFolk]

To be clear: I'm not saying whether something has or has not changed from earlier this yr or from Oct '21. As said previously, when I am given enough confirmation, I'll share/report what I'm currently chasing down.

Nate, do you think Zelda will definitely come out in May?

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

Nate, do you think Zelda will definitely come out in May?

To spite anyone that has been dooming hardware for 2024 but waiting at the edge of their seats for TOTK in 2023, Nintendo will now delay Zelda indefinitely.

Now no one can be happy.

 

[NateDrake]

Nate, do you think Zelda will definitely come out in May?

Don't see why it wouldn't.

 

[Skittzo]

Nate, do you think Zelda will definitely come out in May?

I don't think a Zelda game has ever been delayed after being given a firm release date. In fact I feel like you can count on one hand how many times that has ever happened to any Nintendo game.

 

[YolkFolk]

Don't see why it wouldn't.

Hopefully a big coming out party for the title in the first direct of 2023.

 

[ILikeFeet]

Thanks for the vid. I really hope Lumen is possible at 60fps.

it probably is when it's the target and the expense of everything else. if that means a game with greatly simplified art, then that's just gonna have to be the concession

 

[Dekuman]

To be clear: I'm not saying whether something has or has not changed from earlier this yr or from Oct '21. As said previously, when I am given enough confirmation, I'll share/report what I'm currently chasing down.

I have to ask, has the significant developments been something that would upend our speculation ? or is it simply nailing down exact specs and clocks?

 

[Hosermess]

Pecking at him for hints is probably not going to work.

 

[Mori Medinayo]

Is it on purpose to say: "I have some significant info, but I can't tell for now".

So why don't wait until you can share?

 

[mariodk18]

To be clear: I'm not saying whether something has or has not changed from earlier this yr or from Oct '21. As said previously, when I am given enough confirmation, I'll share/report what I'm currently chasing down.

I assume you're talking about the hardware, but can you vaguely say if it's related to hardware, software, or both?

 

[Deleted member 1324]

I'm not expecting anything. Don't think a reconstructed 1080p is unthinkable after seeing how much Splatoon 3 improved after Splatoon 2 though.

Also your tone is kinda aggressive, not sure why I deserved that.

I can assure you I wasn’t being aggressive. I’m sorry if it came across that way.

But Splatoon 3 is like 800p in docked mode when things get busy on screen (almost all the time) even when using FSR. The hardware is what it is and the latest games even from Nintendo aren’t getting anywhere near 1080p FSR especially not a massive multilayered open world game which by the looks of it is Nintendo’s most expensive, expansive game ever.

Just my opinion. I hope it is 1080p I just don’t think it will be. My guess is dynamic 900p with it being around 800p most of the time. That seems to be the sweet spot for visually taxing Switch games.

 

[Deleted member 887]

Is it on purpose to say: "I have some significant info, but I can't tell for now".

So why don't wait until you can share?

Because we asked, and he’s a member of this community.

 

[Skittzo]

Is it on purpose to say: "I have some significant info, but I can't tell for now".

So why don't wait until you can share?

Please note that he never actually said that. At all.

 

[Mori Medinayo]

Because we asked, and he’s a member of this community.

Not true. He's been mute for weeks and now said that without asking. Of course he's a member and he has right to say whatever. But he knows how thw community reacts to his posts and I don't know. Maybe juat wait and don't say anything until you can. But I say it with respect.

Wish he can share the info soon. I only complained about being so close to the tidbit and not to eat it.

 

[Raccoon]

Is it on purpose to say: "I have some significant info, but I can't tell for now".

So why don't wait until you can share?

the prompt was someone wondering if he was going to cover it in his podcast and he basically said he can't yet

arguably hasn't even suggested he has significant info, just that if he gets the confirmation he's been seeking it would then be significant

 

[Mori Medinayo]

I apologise then.

 

[karmitt]

I vaguely remember a rumor, I think in late 2021 or early this year and likely machine translated from some forum, implying that Nvidia / Nintendo hadn’t reached satisfactory results with DLSS in handheld mode.

Was this ever a thing? And is it a reasonable concern given what we ‘know’ (Nvidia hack, Linux commits, etc.)?

 

[Look over there]

Wasn't the unsatisfactory results thing related to RT, not DLSS?

 

[ILikeFeet]

that sounds like something NateDrake told us. when we found out that Orin had RT cores, he revealed that Drake had them but battery life wasn't good in handheld mode

 

[lucapfstr]

Is it too early for a full-on successor? The earliest this thing could possibly launch is right around six years since the launch of the original. That's not too early for a successor system in Nintendo's book. The Wii U came out six years after the Wii, the 3DS came out six years and three months after the DS, and the Switch came out six years after the 3DS. I think they're probably going to play this a little differently, but not because it hasn't been enough time for a true successor.

This is about where I'm at. "Nintendo Switch Series 2" or something. They're not going to abandon the current Switch logo or branding.

Yeah, I completely agree with you. I was saying logic may suggest that it's too early, based on Furukawa's words. But because the successor and the original can coexist, a successor coming out does not impeded on the 8-10 year life cycle of the OG Switch.

 

[bloopland33]

it probably is when it's the target and the expense of everything else. if that means a game with greatly simplified art, then that's just gonna have to be the concession

Oh yeah. I was talking about Fortnite actually to be clear.

 

[Quailman]

Nintendo

Yeah, I completely agree with you. I was saying logic may suggest that it's too early, based on Furukawa's words. But because the successor and the original can coexist, a successor coming out does not impeded on the 8-10 year life cycle of the OG Switch.

If I remember correctly,

The original DS was not supposed to be a successor to the GBA, it was supposed to co exist with the GBA, it was supposed to offer a different gaming experience. Although things changed when the DS became a commercial success. Although the NuSwitch will be a successor to the switch, I am sure it can co-exisit with the switch for a 1 to 2 year period.

 

[kimbo99]

The big boys are going to check out for the holidays soon. Safe to assume nothing boils(outside of a random leak) until mid Jan.

 

[karmitt]

that sounds like something NateDrake told us. when we found out that Orin had RT cores, he revealed that Drake had them but battery life wasn't good in handheld mode

I recall the RT Nate thing. This was before that, and it was some translated source. I think the fact that it didn’t stick here meant it’s probably a rumor not worth repeating.

Regardless my second question stands - do we see any limits on its use in handheld? DF raised concerns a while ago before much was known about the chip on whether it could be used for 60 fps in handheld (I think). Is that still a concern?

 

[ezidro3]

Just mostly out of curiosity, I tried playing this video on my Switch OLED to see what Ultra Performance DLSS would look like on an 8-inch 720p screen (albeit with video compression, but I tried my best to get around that by playing it at 1080p so it would down sample at least a bit).

It's... well unsurprising, not great. It honestly just looks like how impossible ports look on the Switch right now.

 

[ILikeFeet]

Oh yeah. I was talking about Fortnite actually to be clear.

they would have to simplify the asset shaders considerably then. maybe diffuse only textures. I question if they could even do nanite. virtual shadow maps are out of the question as well. reflections? maybe low res SSR

I recall the RT Nate thing. This was before that, and it was some translated source. I think the fact that it didn’t stick here meant it’s probably a rumor not worth repeating.

Regardless my second question stands - do we see any limits on its use in handheld? DF raised concerns a while ago before much was known about the chip on whether it could be used for 60 fps in handheld (I think). Is that still a concern?

in my opinion, I still think we'll see RT in handheld mode. at 60fps? that's very much up to the game and the techniques used, but not impossible. I think people should be ready to be at least somewhat disappointed in the RT used. like RT shadows or RT reflections and the like. RTGI is more transformative, but at 60fps, might be an ask. 30fps, definitely doable though

 

[karmitt]

in my opinion, I still think we'll see RT in handheld mode. at 60fps? that's very much up to the game and the techniques used, but not impossible. I think people should be ready to be at least somewhat disappointed in the RT used. like RT shadows or RT reflections and the like. RTGI is more transformative, but at 60fps, might be an ask. 30fps, definitely doable though

I was actually talking about DLSS use cases as per my original post. But interesting to hear regardless.

 

[ILikeFeet]

I was actually talking about DLSS use cases as per my original post. But interesting to hear regardless.

oh. well, there are ways to make a faster version of DLSS that has less quality. I still maintain that unless properly tests it, it's hard to say how well it scales beyond theoreticals

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Regardless my second question stands - do we see any limits on its use in handheld? DF raised concerns a while ago before much was known about the chip on whether it could be used for 60 fps in handheld (I think). Is that still a concern?

If docked/undocked works at all similarly to how it does on Switch, it doesn't make much sense that DLSS should have a problem in portable. With Switch in portable the GPU goes to half speed (more or less) and compensates by lowering resolution. If anything it seems like the resolution gap between docked and undocked will be BIGGER this time around, so anything resolution-related you'd think wouldn't be a problem to go portable unless they decided to cut GPU speed to 10% or something.

DF's video was also before the NVIDIA leak, so the estimates they were playing around with now seem a bit lowball.

Just mostly out of curiosity, I tried playing this video on my Switch OLED to see what Ultra Performance DLSS would look like on an 8-inch 720p screen (albeit with video compression, but I tried my best to get around that by playing it at 1080p so it would down sample at least a bit).

It's... well unsurprising, not great. It honestly just looks like how impossible ports look on the Switch right now.

If you meant specifically the timestamp in the link, that's Ultra Performancing 640x480, so still only 1/3 of a 720p resolution. The first minute of the video has some Ultra Performance 720p going on. But it's hard to imagine many games beyond the future Arks (original Switch version) going to even that extreme often.

 

[Bosintang]

2024, or at best late 2023, with the new Mario. And Mario Kart within 6 months.

 

[Hartmann]

Here is a different person's post than the one I posted before.As

As far as I know, it is produced by Samsung process after Tegra (for Switch).

'삼성 3나노' 거물급 고객 확보 - 미코

대충 요약 퀄컴 엔비디아 IBM 바이두 라는 내용이고 제가 아는걱 테그라 후속(스위치용) 삼성공정으로 생산입니다

meeco.kr

Nvidia Tegra AP is manufactured with Samsung 7nm?
If what I heard is not distorted, is it Tegra T239 Anyway, I'll use that model name as a tentative name.
T239 will be mass-produced with Samsung 7nm. Not EUV.
Suddenly, I wonder if Samsung had a non-EUV 7nm, but I think it might have been refined because I remembered that the 8nm LPU was not used as an actual process.
I'm not entirely sure, I could be wrong.

엔비디아 테그라 AP가 삼성7nm로 제조? - 미코

내가 들은 내용이 왜곡 안되었다면 테그라 T239인가요 암튼 가칭으로 저 모델명으로 쓸게요 T239가 삼성7nm로 양산될 예정입니다 EUV 아닙니다. 문득 어 삼성에 비 EUV 7nm가 있던가 싶은데 아마 8nm LPU가 실제 공정...

meeco.kr

 

[Dakhil]

Here is a different person's post than the one I posted before.

'삼성 3나노' 거물급 고객 확보 - 미코

대충 요약 퀄컴 엔비디아 IBM 바이두 라는 내용이고 제가 아는걱 테그라 후속(스위치용) 삼성공정으로 생산입니다

meeco.kr

엔비디아 테그라 AP가 삼성7nm로 제조? - 미코

내가 들은 내용이 왜곡 안되었다면 테그라 T239인가요 암튼 가칭으로 저 모델명으로 쓸게요 T239가 삼성7nm로 양산될 예정입니다 EUV 아닙니다. 문득 어 삼성에 비 EUV 7nm가 있던가 싶은데 아마 8nm LPU가 실제 공정...

meeco.kr

I'm going to refer back to the post I've made almost 2 months ago for the second link.

As far as I know, Samsung's 7 nm** process node has been using EUV lithography, not DUV lithography, from the beginning (here and here).

The only way Samsung's 7 nm** (DUV) process node being used could make some sense is if the same 7 nm** process node used to fabricate the Exynos 9825 is the one being mentioned there, which uses EUV lithography, but is fundamentally not very different from Samsung's 8LPP process node.

⋮

** → a marketing nomenclature used by all foundry companies

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

If it’s on the Samsung 5nm node, everyone should really temper their expectations with frequency.


and battery life too even with lowered frequency.


If it’s on TSMC 7 or 5, you can be optimistic in both scenarios.

 

[mariodk18]

Here is a different person's post than the one I posted before.

'삼성 3나노' 거물급 고객 확보 - 미코

대충 요약 퀄컴 엔비디아 IBM 바이두 라는 내용이고 제가 아는걱 테그라 후속(스위치용) 삼성공정으로 생산입니다

meeco.kr

엔비디아 테그라 AP가 삼성7nm로 제조? - 미코

내가 들은 내용이 왜곡 안되었다면 테그라 T239인가요 암튼 가칭으로 저 모델명으로 쓸게요 T239가 삼성7nm로 양산될 예정입니다 EUV 아닙니다. 문득 어 삼성에 비 EUV 7nm가 있던가 싶은데 아마 8nm LPU가 실제 공정...

meeco.kr

How does the credibility of this source compare to the first one?

 

[ShadowFox08]

That was 3 pages where half the people posting were coming completely unwound over a single word and the other half were shitposting.
Time to turn notifications for this thread off, I guess.

The fuck. Not me ._.

If docked/undocked works at all similarly to how it does on Switch, it doesn't make much sense that DLSS should have a problem in portable. With Switch in portable the GPU goes to half speed (more or less) and compensates by lowering resolution. If anything it seems like the resolution gap between docked and undocked will be BIGGER this time around, so anything resolution-related you'd think wouldn't be a problem to go portable unless they decided to cut GPU speed to 10% or something.

Many games also sacrificed framerate or some Fidelity instead of resolution.

I'm not worried about a large resolution gap. The way I see it, DLSS will/should be compatible on handheld, and it could look super sampled on portable for some games that push beyond 1080p on docked mode. If DLSS uses a small portion of the GPU and saves on power draw overall, it would be even more advantageous in handheld mode.. It would be weird to not use it on handheld and have it exclusive to docked mode for some games.