I can't wait until this 'Chicken Little' phase passes and everyone can look back and laugh about it like I am laughing now.
There's still a chance that they'll reveal it in 2022, and possibly even do a Holiday release. If they don't reveal by the end of October than I'll recant, until then I'm a believer.When do you think we'll see the announcement of this thing? January being the earliest?
blisteringly basedThere's still a chance that they'll reveal it in 2022, and possibly even do a Holiday release. If they don't reveal by the end of October than I'll recant, until then I'm a believer.
So, this is a good place to do it.
People believe that the system will launch in May 2023 right? Because of ZELDA correct?
Let’s assume this scenario only for curiosity sake: May 12 happens and there is no new system. Thus, Zelda did not launch with Switch 2/Pro.
June13-16 is E3, Nintendo announces a few games, a few are set for holiday but not given a date.
June after E3/July Nintendo announces new system set in stores for holiday 2023.
Here’s what I want to know, I want a list of games (read: IPs) that can realistically be launched title software for this new platform if it isn’t Tears of the Kingdom. Because it could launch with a new 2D or 3D Mario, right? Those are huge selling titles.
Would Metroid Prime HD set for holiday 2023 make sense?
Tomodachi Life?
A brand new IP?
New Donkey Kong?
Splatoon and Zelda are out of the question, Pokemon may also be out of the question too, Fire Emblem is out of the question too. Mario Kart I don’t see as that is still getting software support by then…
Like if it were to release in H2 2023, what would be the title to release with?
I’m asking it here because the community here is filled with very passionate Nintendo fans who know more about their intellectual properties in a sense of a launch system software than I do, so I’m more curious on what your thoughts are if it does release on the second half of 2023, as in what on earth would even release it with if it was to set for that time. And it doesn’t release with Zelda in May. Because I know some people do believe that the second half 2023 or even 2024 makes more sense but I’m also drawing a blank on what software it would release with, you feel me?
So to try to actually analyze it from a perspective that is important for the discussion we have to actually pinpoint and narrow down what are the most possible release titles for this system.
And I’d like to remind people that the previous time a Zelda was cross generation, the following 3D Zelda was not cross-generation, and a successor released a year after, but it bombed. Also, in that previous time that they released a Zelda as a cross generation title, the original platform bombed, but the following platform was a massive success.
Of course, I don’t see TOTK being exclusive, but just that it isn’t always indicative of when a hardware will launch.
But if we narrow it down we can get a better idea I think of what can actually launch with it.
I know people say they have loads of options but when you put it into perspective they don’t really have that many….
and not releasing with Zelda would be sorta missed opportunity, even if they have a massive install base, there are perks the Pro/Succ/2/Dogwalker can get over the base
some unannounced game we don't know aboutTL;DR: if it doesn’t release with Zelda what other IP do you think is actually realistic or plausible for an H2 release?
Is it possible to do this on an unmodded Switch? I would do sinful things to be able to not have to swap out game cartridges for a game like RFA that I only play two or three times a week for an hour at a time.you can get the game digitally, I think. but it's through a round about way
if I remember correctly, it was a Japan only thing where you could buy the game digitally and they'd ship you the ring con and leg strap. don't know if they still offer thisIs it possible to do this on an unmodded Switch? I would do sinful things to be able to not have to swap out game cartridges for a game like RFA that I only play two or three times a week for an hour at a time.
Also hoping that if/when RFA2 drops they offer the game digital and physical while reusing the leg strap and ring con
I mean, yes. But I meant from what IP. What IP would be able to deliver a good new title to launch the system with? Would it be a new unknown IP? Or an established IP? Would it be one of their lower sellers? Would it be what has traditionally been a system seller?some unannounced game we don't know about
Ahh damn, c'est la vie. Wish I could just get it on my Switch internal storage and just keep the cartridge elsewhere so I didn't have to swap constantly between Monster Hunter and RFA (RIP the last of the Amazon E3 pre-order savings, otherwise I would have gone digital for MHR)if I remember correctly, it was a Japan only thing where you could buy the game digitally and they'd ship you the ring con and leg strap. don't know if they still offer this
Well, I can do an 8 core theoretical estimate, but only 7 cores would be usable.@ReddDreadtheLead @oldpuck @Look over there
So about that geekbench 5 score for the 12 core Orin SoC @ 2.2 GHz...
What would be a good estimate for the 8 core version at half the clock, taking into consideration how other A78 SoCs scale with clock speed and core count?
A lot more powerful, but that’s not the high bar really. PS4 was the weakest console in terms of the GPU.So I heard Nate's Podcast the other day and he mentioned that the Nvidia leak for 239 did not mean anything for drake, but potentially speaking I remember another user on the leak tread mentioned the following,
That the CPU will be more powerful than PS4
Wait, hold on. Pull it back in. Something like PS4 Pro to One X (with DLSS) I think.THE GPU will be a little more powerfule than the Series S
noAre these good assumptions based on Kopite leak and all other stuff that we have gether through the years?
I thought MT would be considerably higher, no? iirc more than on x86, ARM has even lower diminishing returns when bumping clock speed. I might be wrong though.Well, I can do an 8 core theoretical estimate, but only 7 cores would be usable.
But in theory, 2,179 MT and 380ST (7 cores)
Give or take.
2490MT if 8 cores.
What are you referring to here?I can't wait until this 'Chicken Little' phase passes and everyone can look back and laugh about it like I am laughing now.
So I heard Nate's Podcast the other day and he mentioned that the Nvidia leak for 239 did not mean anything for drake
the inherent problem here is that we'd be speculating unknown unknown. at that point you can literally invent anything. "a good launch title would be a new AAA cinematic IP" for example, is just as likely as anything else.I mean, yes. But I meant from what IP. What IP would be able to deliver a good new title to launch the system with? Would it be a new unknown IP? Or an established IP? Would it be one of their lower sellers? Would it be what has traditionally been a system seller?
Like we can have a discussion of what it can launch with, but we also have to make it clear. If it’s something that’s feasible or reasonable and realistic to launch with for what (some) people believe is a whole successor around these parts lately.
For example, do people expect 1 2 switch 2: the horse manure game, to be a good launch title to go with a system? Would it be by itself? With another game?
They can launch the system with any title, but not every title is good to launch the system with, you feel me?
Actually, it’s probable that they’ll do two games instead of one. For example, Sony released the PlayStation5 with demons soul remake and Miles morales. Now, demon soul is the low seller but set a tone for the platform I think, but miles morales is actually the big seller that appeals to the wider audience.
(I narrowed to first party titles since 3rd is too hard)
This is a really good video, with lots of stuff to talk about. I have to take the L here on DLSS 3.0. It's clear that it is frame interpolation, and that the "no latency" claims are because of next gen Nvidia Reflex (which frame generation requires) which tries to get enough latency wins that the additional frame buffering is net zero cost.
When judging using the Geekbench, it never translates exactly to the MT score.I thought MT would be considerably higher, no? iirc more than on x86, ARM has even lower diminishing returns when bumping clock speed. I might be wrong though.
So I heard Nate's Podcast the other day and he mentioned that the Nvidia leak for 239 did not mean anything for drake, but potentially speaking I remember another user on the leak tread mentioned the following,
That the CPU will be more powerful than PS4
THE GPU will be a little more powerfule than the Series S
Are these good assumptions based on Kopite leak and all other stuff that we have gether through the years?
They won'tI hope Nintendo doesn’t wait until E3 next year to announce new hardware. I want it as soon as possible
Revealing it in Jan through March 2023 won’t affect switch sales . So yeah if the release window is in may they will do it in the last trimesterI think they’ll reveal Drake anytime after the launch of FE engage and before the end of their fiscal year.
New Mario.So, this is a good place to do it.
People believe that the system will launch in May 2023 right? Because of ZELDA correct?
Let’s assume this scenario only for curiosity sake: May 12 happens and there is no new system. Thus, Zelda did not launch with Switch 2/Pro.
June13-16 is E3, Nintendo announces a few games, a few are set for holiday but not given a date.
June after E3/July Nintendo announces new system set in stores for holiday 2023.
Here’s what I want to know, I want a list of games (read: IPs) that can realistically be launched title software for this new platform if it isn’t Tears of the Kingdom. Because it could launch with a new 2D or 3D Mario, right? Those are huge selling titles.
Would Metroid Prime HD set for holiday 2023 make sense?
Tomodachi Life?
A brand new IP?
New Donkey Kong?
Splatoon and Zelda are out of the question, Pokemon may also be out of the question too, Fire Emblem is out of the question too. Mario Kart I don’t see as that is still getting software support by then…
Like if it were to release in H2 2023, what would be the title to release with?
I’m asking it here because the community here is filled with very passionate Nintendo fans who know more about their intellectual properties in a sense of a launch system software than I do, so I’m more curious on what your thoughts are if it does release on the second half of 2023, as in what on earth would even release it with if it was to set for that time. And it doesn’t release with Zelda in May. Because I know some people do believe that the second half 2023 or even 2024 makes more sense but I’m also drawing a blank on what software it would release with, you feel me?
So to try to actually analyze it from a perspective that is important for the discussion we have to actually pinpoint and narrow down what are the most possible release titles for this system.
And I’d like to remind people that the previous time a Zelda was cross generation, the following 3D Zelda was not cross-generation, and a successor released a year after, but it bombed. Also, in that previous time that they released a Zelda as a cross generation title, the original platform bombed, but the following platform was a massive success.
Of course, I don’t see TOTK being exclusive, but just that it isn’t always indicative of when a hardware will launch.
But if we narrow it down we can get a better idea I think of what can actually launch with it.
I know people say they have loads of options but when you put it into perspective they don’t really have that many….
and not releasing with Zelda would be sorta missed opportunity, even if they have a massive install base, there are perks the Pro/Succ/2/Dogwalker can get over the base
TL;DR: if it doesn’t release with Zelda what other IP do you think is actually realistic or plausible for an H2 release?
This is a really good video, with lots of stuff to talk about. I have to take the L here on DLSS 3.0. It's clear that it is frame interpolation, and that the "no latency" claims are because of next gen Nvidia Reflex (which frame generation requires) which tries to get enough latency wins that the additional frame buffering is net zero cost.
Me. My Switch is in rough shape lolSo my launch day switch has been making weird noises from the fan, praying it can hold out till Drake releases. I have noticed some performance issues in MHR that were not there before so must be throttling in docked mode. Took an old electric toothbrush to the rear vents as they did seem a bit blocked so hopefully that's enough.
How many of you have a creaking day 1 switch that is just holding on to life whilst you wait for Drake?
Yeah, that's a substantial claim about Switch 2 coming from Rich.
What was his claim. I’m on the bus right now and don’t want to fiddle with YouTubeYeah, that's a substantial claim about Switch 2 coming from Rich.
Real curious what the frame interpolation will do. It's not entirely a lost cause it seems and it'd be to framerate what DLSS is to resolution, giving Switch 2 another ace up it's sleeve.
Yeah, that's a substantial claim about Switch 2 coming from Rich.
I’m not sure DLSS 3.0 would be a huge win on Drake, honestly. Cool, yes, but I don’t think the benefits would be as deep as 2.0, and I think the Nvidia Reflex component would require a substantial overhaul to make sense in a console environment.Real curious what the frame interpolation will do. It's not entirely a lost cause it seems and it'd be to framerate what DLSS is to resolution, giving Switch 2 another ace up it's sleeve.
Paraphrasing - "if there are Linux submissions being made, the chip may be out of pre-production and entering fabrication. We may be looking at the Switch next year tied with Tears of the Kingdom. Nintendo is all about power-efficiency and don't expect it to be clocked high but it will obviously be a generational leap over Tegra X1."yes indeed DLSS 4.0 for Switch 2 lfg
I actually don't know which claim you're talking about... :[
Paraphrasing - "if there are Linux submissions being made, the chip may be out of pre-production and entering fabrication. We may be looking at the Switch next year tied with Tears of the Kingdom. Nintendo is all about power-efficiency and don't expect it to be clocked high but it will obviously be a generational leap over Tegra X1."
Stopped listening after there, probably missed something but the rest of the discussion seemed focused on DLSS 3.0.
Seems like reasonable guesses though the part about "it will obviously be a generational leap over Tegra X1" sounded particularly less speculative.
Following this though experiment…I mean, yes. But I meant from what IP. What IP would be able to deliver a good new title to launch the system with? Would it be a new unknown IP? Or an established IP? Would it be one of their lower sellers? Would it be what has traditionally been a system seller?
Like we can have a discussion of what it can launch with, but we also have to make it clear. If it’s something that’s feasible or reasonable and realistic to launch with for what (some) people believe is a whole successor around these parts lately.
For example, do people expect 1 2 switch 2: the horse manure game, to be a good launch title to go with a system? Would it be by itself? With another game?
They can launch the system with any title, but not every title is good to launch the system with, you feel me?
Actually, it’s probable that they’ll do two games instead of one. For example, Sony released the PlayStation5 with demons soul remake and Miles morales. Now, demon soul is the low seller but set a tone for the platform I think, but miles morales is actually the big seller that appeals to the wider audience.
(I narrowed to first party titles since 3rd is too hard)
yes indeed DLSS 4.0 for Switch 2 lfg
I actually don't know which claim you're talking about... :[
What was his claim. I’m on the bus right now and don’t want to fiddle with YouTube
That TotK is physically TOO BIG FOR SWITCH.Which claim?
I’m not sure DLSS 3.0 would be a huge win on Drake, honestly. Cool, yes, but I don’t think the benefits would be as deep as 2.0, and I think the Nvidia Reflex component would require a substantial overhaul to make sense in a console environment.
I think an asterisk is needed here, that he’s just speculating here and hasn’t actually looked into the information.Yeah, that's a substantial claim about Switch 2 coming from Rich.
Real curious what the frame interpolation will do. It's not entirely a lost cause it seems and it'd be to framerate what DLSS is to resolution, giving Switch 2 another ace up it's sleeve.
Last I heard, that’s a no, still ASIC XtraROM, which does not utilize NAND flash.I wonder if they're already being used for current cards
So, this is a good place to do it.
People believe that the system will launch in May 2023 right? Because of ZELDA correct?
Let’s assume this scenario only for curiosity sake: May 12 happens and there is no new system. Thus, Zelda did not launch with Switch 2/Pro.
June13-16 is E3, Nintendo announces a few games, a few are set for holiday but not given a date.
June after E3/July Nintendo announces new system set in stores for holiday 2023.
Here’s what I want to know, I want a list of games (read: IPs) that can realistically be launched title software for this new platform if it isn’t Tears of the Kingdom. Because it could launch with a new 2D or 3D Mario, right? Those are huge selling titles.
Would Metroid Prime HD set for holiday 2023 make sense?
Tomodachi Life?
A brand new IP?
New Donkey Kong?
Splatoon and Zelda are out of the question, Pokemon may also be out of the question too, Fire Emblem is out of the question too. Mario Kart I don’t see as that is still getting software support by then…
Like if it were to release in H2 2023, what would be the title to release with?
I’m asking it here because the community here is filled with very passionate Nintendo fans who know more about their intellectual properties in a sense of a launch system software than I do, so I’m more curious on what your thoughts are if it does release on the second half of 2023, as in what on earth would even release it with if it was to set for that time. And it doesn’t release with Zelda in May. Because I know some people do believe that the second half 2023 or even 2024 makes more sense but I’m also drawing a blank on what software it would release with, you feel me?
So to try to actually analyze it from a perspective that is important for the discussion we have to actually pinpoint and narrow down what are the most possible release titles for this system.
And I’d like to remind people that the previous time a Zelda was cross generation, the following 3D Zelda was not cross-generation, and a successor released a year after, but it bombed. Also, in that previous time that they released a Zelda as a cross generation title, the original platform bombed, but the following platform was a massive success.
Of course, I don’t see TOTK being exclusive, but just that it isn’t always indicative of when a hardware will launch.
But if we narrow it down we can get a better idea I think of what can actually launch with it.
I know people say they have loads of options but when you put it into perspective they don’t really have that many….
and not releasing with Zelda would be sorta missed opportunity, even if they have a massive install base, there are perks the Pro/Succ/2/Dogwalker can get over the base
TL;DR: if it doesn’t release with Zelda what other IP do you think is actually realistic or plausible for an H2 release?
Obviously not all of these, but a combination of several of these:base[/ispoiler]
TL;DR: if it doesn’t release with Zelda what other IP do you think is actually realistic or plausible for an H2 release?
I can tell you with confidence it will not be that.Metroid Prime 4.
TL;DR: if it doesn’t release with Zelda what other IP do you think is actually realistic or plausible for an H2 release?
Very unlikely since the chip is made for Nintendo. A Shield TV using it would almost certainly come after the Switch 4k itself.All this enthusiasm over the Linux commit's supposed implications for production timeline is really going to pay off when Nvidia announces and releases a T239-powered Shield TV before we see the new Switch model.
This is a really good video, with lots of stuff to talk about. I have to take the L here on DLSS 3.0. It's clear that it is frame interpolation, and that the "no latency" claims are because of next gen Nvidia Reflex (which frame generation requires) which tries to get enough latency wins that the additional frame buffering is net zero cost.
Yeah, that's a substantial claim about Switch 2 coming from Rich.
Real curious what the frame interpolation will do. It's not entirely a lost cause it seems and it'd be to framerate what DLSS is to resolution, giving Switch 2 another ace up it's sleeve.
That seems more like speculation than a claim on Rich's part (the bolded portion of Serif's paraphrase) to me.Paraphrasing - "if there are Linux submissions being made, the chip may be out of pre-production and entering fabrication. We may be looking at the Switch next year tied with Tears of the Kingdom. Nintendo is all about power-efficiency and don't expect it to be clocked high but it will obviously be a generational leap over Tegra X1."
Stopped listening after there, probably missed something but the rest of the discussion seemed focused on DLSS 3.0.
Seems like reasonable guesses though the part about "it will obviously be a generational leap over Tegra X1" sounded particularly less speculative.
Probably the former."As always, remember, Nintendo is all about power efficiency and don't expect this thing to be running at massive clocks, but it will obviously be a generational leap over Tegra X1".
Whether or not Rich is making an informed guess from the Nvidia leak, or has access to more information, it's nice to hear this from DF.
I listened to it once i got home. didn't hear anything bout Tears Of The Kingdom (must've missed it) but i liked his chat about T239 being a generational leap. He seems to be subtly dropping hints/info and i'm hoping he continues over the coming weeks. We are so o close now!That TotK is physically TOO BIG FOR SWITCH.
Sorry, I just meant Rich sounding quite confident on Switch 2 releasing next year, likely together with Zelda. Not mindblowing for this thread of course, but Rich is opening up a little about Switch 2 the past couple of DF Directs - which is meaningful because he usually shuts Nintendo speculation right down.
Just thought that was neat .