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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

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Foltzie said:
Asking the real question here.

Do we expect Nintendo to implant the USBC standard right with drake?
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Rephrase and elaborate, because I'm going to play dumb and read this as "will Drake support USB-C"
to which I'll answer "Yes, because it's already on Switch"
 
KeijiKG said:
Rephrase and elaborate, because I'm going to play dumb and read this as "will Drake support USB-C"
to which I'll answer "Yes, because it's already on Switch"
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ooh I know this one

the switch actually breaks spec in a few ways, iirc in its power delivery specifically. it's why do many aftermarket docks can brick it
 
ILikeFeet said:
yes, 7W is just the APU power limit. steam deck's build-in TDP controls the APU directly. can go as low as 3W to 15W
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Look over there said:
For the Steam Deck, that 7W is in PC speak, right? My understanding is that in PC terms, the power limit that's adjustable in BIOS is CPU + iGPU, but doesn't include RAM. But I might be wrong there?
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Should be noted that while the APU would draw 15W at max, the whole device is like 27-29W.

So, yes the RAM would be separate in this case and apart of the other power consumption for the device.
niconiconick64 said:
Laughing my ass off @ people who unironically think nintendo would ship a 2.5 h runtime switch after releasing the OLED and v2 models (that both average out 4-5 hours on intensive 3d games).
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JoshuaJSlone said:
FWIW based on this list there are at least a handful of Switch games that dip under 2 hours on the original model at max brightness. The list only has ~450 games, though.

There's no changing that launch models will always have a harder time matching some things later models of a previous generation can manage.

Laughing my ass off @ people who unironically think sony would ship a large playstation after releasing a PS3 Slim and PS3 Super Slim.
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ILikeFeet said:
2.5h of BotW2 is enough for a lot of people, as we've seen by Erista Switch.
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Raccoon said:
it's just sad

this thing sounds more and more like a downgrade

maybe I ought to wait until the V2 equivalent
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I’m sorry for quoting all of you, but I think we need to remember a bit and go back down memory lane. The original switch was on a very inefficient process that caused leakage on the regular. A used CPU architecture that was very inefficient at doing its job. It used less efficient ram. It used a less efficient screen. And it had less efficient storage. Since 2015/16/17, technology has evolved far enough to where ypu can have a device that doesn’t fit in the very extreme 2.5 hour battery life. You have to literally go out of your way to have such a horrible battery life. When I said that I expect them to release a model with a worse battery life, I meant a worse battery life than the V2 switch that has 4.5 hours at minimum well, maximum. Not that it’ll actually be like the V1 with 2.5 hours.


This new model will have so many tricks up its sleeve that will make it so much more efficient doing literally anything compared to the switch that they can actually save noticeable amounts of energy. It will have an OLED display most likely which can be more efficient than the LCD display of the 2017 switch. It should have a nice memory upgrade that lets it be more performant while having much easier power profiles to manage. It should have more efficient storage compared to the very old one. It should have a much more, a significantly more efficient system on chip that does not have this power leakage scenario and lets it clock pretty well with its architecture.





I repeat, no one should expect it to be guaranteed that the next switch model will have the exact same battery life as the OLED model or the V2 model, that’s not exactly easy to achieve especially because these are two different devices. Hell, even the V2 and OLED don’t have the exact same battery life, they have very close battery life.

However people should not instantly assume the other pendulum swing that it is as bad as the original switch model, what people should expect is something that is worse than the V2/OLED but better than the Lige model. That has a minimum of 3 hours. The V2/OLED has a minimum of 4.5 hours. Like I’m not sure how much more clear it has to be about this.


Between 3-4.5 on the extreme low, and between 7-9H on the higher end.
 
ILikeFeet said:
USB C isn't a spec. it's a port shape

Switch doesn't support USB-PD, which is its own spec from USB3
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that's why I didn't say USB C spec. I inferred what the other person meant. do you have any better idea of what "(implement) the USBC standard right" could be referring to?
 
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Raccoon said:
This is another dealbreaker for me, and it has nothing to do with my unhinged industrial design demands. I have 32 physicals, all first party, and I am not buying something that doesn't play them until Pikmin 4 comes out
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I can’t imagine a new-feature revision that is digital only. Nintendo will release a digital only version of the switch only as a way to make a super cut down cheap revision ala the “No backwards compat Wii”. And if they do do something like that they’re also guaranteeing the store will be available for some years after the devices release which is a net good for all switch owners.
 
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JoshuaJSlone said:
FWIW based on this list there are at least a handful of Switch games that dip under 2 hours on the original model at max brightness. The list only has ~450 games, though.

Laughing my ass off @ people who unironically think sony would ship a large playstation after releasing a PS3 Slim and PS3 Super Slim.
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The original switch had poor battery runtime due to how inneficient the SoC was compared to the 2019 revision (which by today's ARM standards is already inefficient as well).

There's simply no way the next generation/mid-gen refresh switch with a newer arch ARM chip will perform bellow 3 hours. Even if the new chip turns out to be power hungry, nintendo will simply downclock it (like they already did in the past) to preserve battery life.

Also, what does a completely different console's form factor have to do with nintendo portables and their battery runtimes?? what
 
oldpuck said:
I suspect that Horizon had to fork internally because of the substantially different hardware, and because of that fork, none of the Switch builds have Drake references. Same thing happened with 3DS, when it was forked to build the Switch version of Horizon. Many of the services are the same between the two OSes, but OS is not in anyway generic, and very much depends on the underlying layout of the CPUs.
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It's much more likely all the direct references to Drake are just hidden from view. The only reason previous hardware leaked this way was because Nintendo never bothered trying to hide it, but Drake is different enough that it's already pretty likely it will get it's own firmware builds (probably from the same source code, though), so a bunch of it wouldn't appear in the public builds even if they weren't trying to hide it.
 
Pokemaniac said:
It's much more likely all the direct references to Drake are just hidden from view. The only reason previous hardware leaked this way was because Nintendo never bothered trying to hide it, but Drake is different enough that it's already pretty likely it will get it's own firmware builds (probably from the same source code, though), so a bunch of it wouldn't appear in the public builds even if they weren't trying to hide it.
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It's probably in a different branch, whereas the current models likely differ only by build config and ifdefs, which as you said isn't really a strategy meant for hiding information and will give something away unless you're extremely rigorous about it.
 
I noticed nowadays handheld PCs only use AMD or Intel Graphics

Maybe currently there aren't Nvidia chips suitable for this, even the ones already used on laptops? Or maybe some commercial restriction?

This DLSS-capable chip will be an unique thing and maybe an upper-hand even against expensive handheld PC models
 
undefined said:
I noticed nowadays handheld PCs only use AMD or Intel Graphics

Maybe currently there aren't Nvidia chips suitable for this, even the ones already used on laptops? Or maybe some commercial restriction?

This DLSS-capable chip will be an unique thing and maybe an upper-hand even against expensive handheld PC models
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they use them because the gpus are integrated with the cpus, similar to consoles. Nvidia doesn't have such chip outside of their Tegra/Jetson line and their Grace Hopper supercomputer chip. a separate cpu and gpu takes too much space to put into a handheld
 
ILikeFeet said:
they use them because the gpus are integrated with the cpus, similar to consoles. Nvidia doesn't have such chip outside of their Tegra/Jetson line and their Grace Hopper supercomputer chip. a separate cpu and gpu takes too much space to put into a handheld
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In addition to power/perf. Even with NVIDIA's MX series you're looking at an additional 7W+ minimum in power, which is too much for everything but behemoths like the Win Max 2. Also just the cost of the chips. IIRC the only time the MX range was cheap enough to use in a handheld was when Intel were bundling them, and the handheld companies were locked out from buying them.
 
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karmitt said:
Wonder if @fwd-bwd has seen it?
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LiC said:
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supmo said:
Recent Chinese information may be from Moore’s Law is Dead.
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I agreed. The recent "leak" (using the word loosely) from Moore's Law is Dead has been making rounds on Chinese social media (example 1, example 2). This particular post seems to be another rehash of it.

It reminds me when some in the west reporting on the Chinese reporting of that Pixelpar tweet, which seems to be based on this thread's reporting of the Chinese mod uncle reporting. It's an ouroboros of Switch Pro rumors.
 
There's no reason to get all up in arms over a product that hasn't been officially announced.

On another note, I'm anticipating an alteration to some degree to make this thing stand out against the current lineup. They made the OLED white so perhaps a different dock design and a new color scheme. I'd love an indigo and/or silver look. This includes physical games too.

I absolutely despise what MS did with their game boxes for series x. They look exactly the same in every way minus a small border on the front of the case. The ones for drake should remain a similar size with a purple theme (maybe) to stand them out and show that they are indeed for the next console.
 
I stay Team Spring 2023, new devkits dosen‘t change the timing of the launch date from what we know.
 
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Kevin said:
I'm litterally starting to think we really aren't getting new hardware for many years. :(
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Assuming it's true, this doesn't change anything Nate's said up to now. H1 2023 was always part of the window.

I'm bummed because I'd hoped to play XC3 in better quality sooner, but I don't think I can wait until closer to April-June next year.
 
Raccoon said:
they absolutely are

they're not going to let this thing be a downgrade in any sense
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I'm totally fine with V1 battery life (3 hours minimum) to maximize power, while the inevitable revision 2 years after gets v2 battery life.

3 hours is plenty of time. The most demanding games on PC handhelds run like 1.5-2 hours. It's embarrassing in comparison. So 2 5- 3 hours minimum for most demanding games before a recharge, and I'm good.
ReddDreadtheLead said:
No I mean what would expect perf wise in a way that you’d be comfortable with, and for the moment cast aside the specs and assume they are wrong.

What level of performance would you be comfortable with and expect
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You want my expectations? You can't handle my expectations!

xbone performance in handheld (0.8 to 1.2 TFLOPs, and PS4+ performance in docked mode without DLSS (2-3 TFLOPs), or bust in 6/5nm tsmc.
 
Raccoon said:
they absolutely are

they're not going to let this thing be a downgrade in any sense
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For Switch titles, obviously, but for games optimised for Drake.

Eh. Nintendo LOVES using their 4000mAh battery at all costs.
 
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Kevin said:
Nah everyone will just reset the clock and claims it's coming in April or May. It's the cycle! Copium 5000!
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Don't do this.

People hoping for 2022 never did so saying that 2023 wasn't just as possible. Nate's messaging has been fairly consistent that the window was looking like late 2022 or H1 2023. He might have said early 2023 a while back, not sure, but it's probably been a little hard to pin down.

Nothing's changed really. This is just possibly the news we've been waiting for for a while, while debating whether or not hypothetical dates were feasible. I'm looking forward to further localized commentary, because I'm sure this isn't the last we hear around this news drop.
 
Kevin said:
Nah everyone will just reset the clock and claims it's coming in April or May. It's the cycle! Copium 5000!
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I don't think you understood the point of what I posted. Nothing is changing and yet it's getting a reaction, your posts included.
 
Can't say I'm surprised, I always figured if we got new hardware it would be after the current FY is over. I also feel Zelda is coming this fiscal year and is not being held back to launch with Drake.
 
It’s very considerate of Nintendo to wait for this thread to get to 1000 pages before they launch.

This one hurts.
 
karmitt said:
Don't do this.

People hoping for 2022 never did so saying that 2023 wasn't just as possible. Nate's messaging has been fairly consistent that the window was looking like late 2022 or H1 2023. He might have said early 2023 a while back, not sure, but it's probably been a little hard to pin down.

Nothing's changed really. This is just possibly the news we've been waiting for for a while, while debating whether or not hypothetical dates were feasible. I'm looking forward to further localized commentary, because I'm sure this isn't the last we hear around this news drop.
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LiC said:
I don't think you understood the point of what I posted. Nothing is changing and yet it's getting a reaction, your posts included.
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Sorry just a bit tired out from work and bit bummed out by the news. Honestly it's very much possible that Zelda and new hardware could launch in April - May and Nate's comments and everything will still be largely accurate. :)
 
BassForever said:
Can't say I'm surprised, I always figured if we got new hardware it would be after the current FY is over. I also feel Zelda is coming this fiscal year and is not being held back to launch with Drake.
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Zelda getting a nebulous "1st half 2023" almost guaranteed that it would not release this FY. I think this hardware news just seals the deal there.
 
The Mario movie launches in April 2023, so April-June 2023 could certainly be a busy period for them.

At least one major property will tie-in with the film/in-cinema advertising; new Mario, DK or BOTW2 makes the most sense.

Kick the summer off for the hyped masses with new hardware = $$$.
 
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Q4 2023 is still what makes the most sense to me, both in terms of timing and the historic life cycle of HD consoles.
 
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