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Yes.
The bottom of the Nintendo Switch dock mentions having a max output of 18 W (15 V * 1.2 A).
But the bottom of the OLED model dock mentions having a max output of 39 W (15 V * 2.6 A).
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The bottom of the Nintendo Switch dock mentions having a max output of 18 W (15 V * 1.2 A).
But the bottom of the OLED model dock mentions having a max output of 39 W (15 V * 2.6 A).
YolkFolk
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Yep. We all get it by now. You have a backstage pass to Nintendo. Everything you think it right and everything that goes against what you think is wrong.
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I’m a weirdo who bought it for PS4 Pro and never put the disc in, and then sold it months later with the system. I just couldn’t get myself to bite on such a meaty game on the TV at the time. Still likely wouldn’t.
But I’d absolutely give it a shot on Drake.
My Tulpa
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AAA 3rd party gaming enthusiasts who will spend $500 on new hardware are the type who own multiple systems and/or invest in the 3rd party gaming system with the best fidelity/performance possible and the best online/services community as possible.
This will never be a Nintendo machine, not even the Switch.
I think people severely overestimate the appeal of playing a big AAA multiplat on a 7” 720p screen portable. Sure, there are gamers who who would love to play Red Dead Redemption 2 only portable and never play the Xbox/pc/ps version…but it isn’t that large. The majority market of that kind of game is elsewhere
I’m absolutely welcome to be proven wrong on this! But I haven’t been swayed yet. Only people theorizing about it.
If Red Dead Redemption 2 gets a Drake only port, I bet it wouldnt sell much more than 1 million tbh. Certainly nowhere near 3 million. And it really does seem if publishers of these big games don’t feel the promise of at least 3 million lifetime sales is there, they don’t put time/effort in a port for that platform. Pc/Xbox/ps has the promise of these minimums, no matter the userbase size. Even a Nintendo machine with 100 million userbase you are lucky if your multiplat port gets close to 3 million in sales.
I don’t think the power of Drake docked will change this much, tbh.
I do believe there will be 3rd party Drake exclusives, of course there will be. I just question what type they are. The genre, how many other platforms it’s on already, what Drake will offer that all the other platforms it’s on doesn’t…etc
As for RDR2 being on Switch and only playable on the Drake? I have to see it to believe it. Supposedly Rockstar doesn’t think the effort to remaster GTA4 and RDR for the big 3rd party platforms is worth the return. If that’s true, porting a major game to just the low userbase Drake platform has to be the very LAST of their dev porting priorities lol
Multiple excellent Mario games were on the portable option at the time.
The problem with the Wii U was that it didn’t get enough 1st party gaming and 3rd party exclusive gaming support at all. Nintendo and other were divided in supporting multiple different Nintendo systems at the same time.
No amount of COD or AC or FIFA releases on the Wii U would have pushed hardware sales.
Making the Wii U the only place to play Zelda and Mario and Pokémon games? Not 3ds? I think you’d be surprised how much the Wii U would have sold. Even with the U in its name lol
You mentioned 3rd party games that are console exclusive to Nintendo machines lol…of course they help drive sales, I said as much.
We are talking about big multiplats that sell very well on pc/Xbox/ps.
Yes. Again, how well is Stardew Valley selling on Xbox and PlayStation?
There are absolutely 3rd party games that can compete against Nintendo 1st party games on Nintendo systems. Lego games will never miss a Nitnendo platform, for example.
We aren’t talking about those. We are talking about the “support” people always lament Nintendo machines never get enough of. We are talking about “support” people are saying Drake power is going to get Switch that the earlier models never got.
Also, I disagree that Stardew Valley pushed any Switch hardware. I would argue that Switch software pushed Stardew Valley sales on the Switch. Stardew Valley is a game that is very complimentary with the 1st party games that actually drive Switch sales. People pick up Switch for Animal Crossing and then get interested in trying Stardew Valley. Not the other way around.
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My Tulpa
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I’m as putting as much stock into wording as Nintendo does.
They won’t even use “console 2” to identify an actual next gen successor model. They certainly aren’t going to use it for a mid gen revision model.
You act like the way PlayStation names successor models isn’t I known thing in the console industry…
This is me too, I can’t play big meaty games on a TV much anymore (only ones are the PS exclusives like Days Gone) if I can pick them up on Switch I am much more likely to play them.
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If that's the case, how are they planning to differentiate the device from their revisions when it's the time to move on to a new generation? I think it will be important to know, since not everyone is able/willing to buy every single revisions every 2 years
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Original Erista Tegra would thermal throttle if it had maintained 921MHz all the time. 768MHz is "post-thermal-throttle" clocks.
Seeing how Drake is an entirely new SoC model on a node that is smaller than Erista's, it'll likely have higher "post-thermal-throttle" clocks as Mariko had headroom for such a boost, but Nintendo kept it the same for both Erista parity and increased battery life, but we don't even know what the standard clocks for the Drake chip even are...
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What’s the best selling 3rd party multiplat on the Switch that can also be found on the pc/Xbox/ps? Just curious.
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hello! does that confirm the fact that we will have an announcement on the 13th? and why on the 13th I don't understand? according to markomaro we will have metroid prime on the 13th
Please dont read Markomaro, its a fraud
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Minecraft probably
Standard/reference clocks don't really matter for devices like this. It's just what the chip designer feels is the sweet spot between performance and yields; while they have their methods for arriving at their numbers, the clocks themselves are ultimately rather arbitrary. When the form factor is this small, battery life isn't your only concern; thermals are as well. You can only dump out heat so quickly, and the smaller the object, the more difficult it becomes.
Drake, as we've seen from the leak, is a rather large chip. I can tell you with near certainty that it'll actually be even further from its reference clock in Nintendo's next device because of that. That's fine overall though; generally speaking, it's more efficient to have more cores clocked lower than fewer cores clocked higher. Put another way, let's say a hypothetical 6 SM Ampere variant drew 8W at full clocks. Underclocking a 12 SM part (like Drake) to draw that same 8W should get you more performance than using the 6 SM part at full clocks.
Nintendo's power targets will decide the clock speeds, not the other way around (which is why they stepped down to 768 MHz). Drake is big enough that they're almost certainly going to underclock it, but that's okay.
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Nah. Xbox One X specs kept the bar low enough that the Switch could have gotten a reasonable port of any Xbox One game released 2013-2022 (Witcher 3 is a good example)
It didn’t, though. Hardware wasn’t the barrier.
The power of the Drake compared to Series S won’t change this dynamic.
Drake still wont get any “exclusive” ports of multiplats that appeared on the Xbox one from 2013-2022, even though Drake is clearly superior hardware wise than the Xbox one. So, forget about Series S lol
Yep. Switch had fantastic 3rd party support, imo. Best of any Nintendo machine. The appeal of playing these games portably does change dynamics a bit.
But Switch support the next 3-4 years won’t be any different than the kind we’ve seen the last 3-4 years. Regardless of Drake existing.
No way in hell does any Nintendo machine reach near parity to Xbox/PlayStation in terms of multiplat support.
One is primarily a 1st party gaming machine, the other two are primarily 3rd party gaming machines.
It has nothing to do with “performance level” of Nintendo machines that dictate 3rd party port support. Nintendo’s biggest issue with 3rd party is that most multiplats can’t compete against Nintendo 1st party games on Nintendo platforms.
1st party Xbox/ps games are completely congruous to popular AAA 3rd party multiplats of the day (by design they are).
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oh i didn't know that! it failed several times, right? but why do people believe so much in a nintendo announcement on the 13th, I missed something I think
Everything he says has been invented by him.
I obviously don't know how Nintendo does it, but that sounds like a very expensive and complex operation just to stop leaks. It may be cheaper and easier to hire outside security firms ("ninjas") to deal with the risks; Nintendo themselves admitted doing so in the latest shareholders Q&A.
They are actual product colors.
Thank you very much for the offer. The typical content is not difficult for me, but sometimes certain internet lingos or pop culture references puzzled me. For example, at one occasion I didn't understand why people were referencing Popeye (大力水手); only after @Kysen kindly pointed out to me that it meant DLSS, I realized that it's a play on the pronunciation (Dà Lì Shuǐ Shǒu). So clever.
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I will unfollow then, but how do we recognize the real nintendo insiders/leakers? thank you !
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Self-claimed leakers that don't back their claims up are usually frauds. Even those with a proven track record can sometimes forecast events that don't materialize.
I would suggest you don't pay much attention to this subject at all. It's a waste of time. The OP of this thread is all you need. Thanks, @Dakhil BTW.
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ok thank you!
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83°C CPU, is that why he's wearing gloves?
Doubt it, a simple port does not require to update the game assets (other than buttons mapping) like you would with a remaster.
They have over 2000 employees, putting a few of them to work on a port is anything but unreasonable.
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I mean, thirds will be more compelled just to support the switch 2/Pro (I don’t care what it is, neither should you) because of the ease of doing so.
And switch has a decently good sweep of third party support going on for it.
And switch has a decently good sweep of third party support going on for it.
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Nintendo just need to slot in the Switch 2 in the performance profile of a low end PC and even the laziest devs can support it by just playing with the sliders.
There's no reason to think Nintendo won't be positioning it as such, the Switch was in many ways approached in a similar way. A lot of early ports were clearly sold as take your Unity/UE4 , play with sliders and release your game.
It's only been in the last couple of years that 3rd parties felt they had to put in a bit more work to get their titles running on Switch at the desirted IQ and FPS and impossible ports became part of the conversation.
It's fair to say in 2017 March, no one really thought we'd be seeing impossible ports as routine which is why that Doom 2016 drop in the Sept 2017 direct was in many ways much more important to the whole conversation of what is possible on Switch than any other release, including BTOW. so on one hand expectations have also been raised. But generally a 2TF device with modern GPU features in and DLSS in 2023 is much better positioned to get lazy ports of PC releases than a 400 GF device in 2017 because baseline PC specs did not expode 5 fold in 5 years.
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The Witcher 3 was not a reasonable port. It was a miracle port and even then the Switch really struggled with it.
Switch itself? Sure. Switch Pro/2 will absolutely have more exclusive big AAA games. (By exclusive I mean exclusive to the Switch 2 and not on OG Switch, not exclusive to Nintendo entirely)
Why can't the Switch also be a third party machine?
Also if third parties didn't care about the Switch they wouldn't release anything on it but like you said the Switch had fantastic 3rd party support. I'm just saying "Drake" will get more demanding games because it wouldn't need a miracle port to get it on the system.
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It’s a chicken and egg scenario
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What I meant by that is the user I was replying to even said that the Switch had great 3rd party support. I’m sure if western publishers could get their more demanding titles on the Switch, without having to pull off a miracle port that cost so much money it might not even be a ROI, they absolutely would
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Minecraft most likely.
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Only PC would be Monster Hunter Rise and PC/Consoles either Among Us or Minecraft I would say.
the cpu is also sucking up a lot of power. after watching randomgaminginhd, I wonder how the steam deck would fair with a capped cpu
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Switch "XYZ" will serve Nintendo as a bridge to the next console, whether it be, hybrid (continuing the Switch series) or something completely new as Nintendo, unlike its competitors, is used to doing.
"PRO" (used once only by Sony for ps4) or "2" (never used by Nintendo from memory) are distinctions that do not change the perception of what it will be: a new model that will run more modern games.
But wasn't supposed to be the first chapter of RDR to come to Switch?
And most importantly, is Totilo reliable?
"PRO" (used once only by Sony for ps4) or "2" (never used by Nintendo from memory) are distinctions that do not change the perception of what it will be: a new model that will run more modern games.
But wasn't supposed to be the first chapter of RDR to come to Switch?
And most importantly, is Totilo reliable?
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using the 32GB AGX model as a reference (it has 256 more cores than Drake), 930.75MHz is the max gpu frequency. however an unknown amount of power is taken up by the DLA cores (1.4GHz), those DLA controllers (742MHz), and PVA cores (704MHz and 486.4MHz). potential clocks could be higher
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If the game is really in development for Switch and Drake this is most likely what R will for Switch since it’s CPU and Ram limited (especially in docked mode):
Switch:
- DRS - the game will most likely run at 480-520p. Run higher or lower resolution depending on what is showing on screen.
- Low amount of foliage - there will be foliage but it will be greatly toned down
- Low resolution shadows - absolutely lowest quality possible and perhaps blob shadows on characters, NPC and animals
- Agressive LoD - characters, objects and more will have reduced polygon budget from short distance
- 15fps character animations - just like aggressive LoD the game will run character animations at 15fps from a short distance
- No additional animations - swaying trees, foliage and more are turned off
- Less particles - lots of particles will be toned down
- reduced texture quality - worse quality to save on bandwidth
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The GA107 Die is about ~167mm^2 and has 24SMs
Drake would have half as many so it would be at least ~80mm^2 solely to the GPU
4-8 CPU cores (big and/or LITTLE) would be about, er, 30-50mm^2?
This would be about the size of the Steam Deck APU.
So, it’s most likely 8nm.
And thus, expect very low clocks.
Drake would have half as many so it would be at least ~80mm^2 solely to the GPU
4-8 CPU cores (big and/or LITTLE) would be about, er, 30-50mm^2?
This would be about the size of the Steam Deck APU.
So, it’s most likely 8nm.
And thus, expect very low clocks.
Teal'c
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I never thought R* had this port in mind.
To your knowledge they are doing it because they were preparing the Drake version or the Switch port was born first.
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Your agreeing with me that the hardware price was making it difficult for software to move hardware. Once the price was dropped, MK7 & other keys titles during that period started moving hardware & building momentum for the titles after it. AC & MH capitalized on this momentum along with the XL.
As for the WiiU, it’s evidence that the console was a product for no one. The irony is that MK8 was a major contributor to hardware sales.
As we have seen with Wii, DS, & Switch, Nintendo doesn’t really need a MH to move hardware. They help but they are not the reason people buy Nintendo hardware.
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I would say both were interdependent
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With the way the industry is going it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Game Pass and the new PlayStation Plus Premium service came to the next Switch tbh as MS and Sony probably view Nintendo in the same light as PC meaning it’s a platform that doesn’t directly compete with their platform so why not get those players paying you a subscription.
The tough part will be giving Nintendo a large enough taste of that subscription for them to bite. If they offer half the subscription fee to Nintendo it will be very attractive indeed. Halo, Gears, Forza, God of War, Gran Turismo and Horizon on the go on top of Nintendo exclusives all with good image quality would be awesome.
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It’s a benchmark meaning it pushing the engine as much as possible. He’s also using an unlocked framerate. You can run RDRII with PS4 settings at 720p/30fps and get around the same battery life as BotW did on the launch Switch.In about 4 minutes it lost 3% battery life.
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RDR1's code is notoriously a mess. It won't come anywhere else unless it had a engine migration.
And yes, Stephen Totilo is one of the most respected reporters in the industry. He'd never share something like that if there wasn't any truth behind it.
you could, but that's definitely not the demo for the Steam Deck
I still don't expect lower clocks than the Switch. and then I expect the cpu to be clocked higher at ~1.25GHz all core minimum
Hard to pay attention these days. Is there anything lately to suggest 8nm?
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