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[Deleted member 887]

Ergo, 1.4 controllers must be cheaper.

Not only are they not cheaper, the Megachips STDP2550 is no longer manufactured. The price of things isn’t a thing we need to reason about, it’s a thing we can look up.

By your reasoning there is no reason to have the Realtek chip in the OLED dock either. Why waste all that money on 5 million OLED docks that can’t use it either if retools are so cheap they could wait for the pro to ship to include it then.

 

[karmitt]

I actually don’t think a Lite OLED makes sense right now (maybe ever)? I’m not sure why people keep saying ‘yeah that would make sense.’

The Lite was slotted in because they knew they left a void when moving from their lower-cost handheld entries of the past to the Switch. It’s already a $200USD device as well - do we really see them releasing a $250 OLED Lite, appealing to a small portion of Switch Lite owners, and priced nearly the same as some current Redbox listings?

The OLED Model was an upgrade whose only marketed improvement was for handheld mode. This absolutely reads like a premium handheld device meant to coax Lite users into the full feature ecosystem.

Not saying they’ll never put out a Lite with an OLED screen. Maybe there’s cost reasons to do so? Or consolidating the offering ie. ‘Redbox and OG Lite are decommissioned, every device has an OLED now.’ But I think having a Lite OLED end of this year would be a wild turn, not a sensible one

If you want a LITE OLED model upgrade, I have one for you:

This ^

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

The ratio of ROPs to SMs isn't constant for desktop Ampere though. It varies from as low as 1.333 (3090 TI) to as high as ~2.1 (3060 TI). If I'm reading the table on wikipedia right, anyway.

NVidia changed it with Ampere from Turing, by desktop format I mean that it follows the same layout that NV did there which is 2 ROP partitions per GPC and each partition contains 8 ROP units.

So, for the 3090 it has 7 GPCs, giving you 112ROPs (8*2*7).

AMD 6800U came out in January 2022. It's possible that it's using an updated version of the GPU that does support that memory, which isn't released yet.

this is grasping at straws. It wouldn’t be called the 6800U if that were the case and it wouldn’t be in a device meant for this year.


Actually, the name would have likely remained the same but the old one would probably have been discontinued.

I don’t even see what sense it makes to release an apu that supports one memory standard, and within the same year release another APU with the same name that supports a different memory standard.

Why would anyone buy the older one at that point? Why didn’t they simply wait to release just one product that supported the 5X?

 

[Look over there]

Ah, it's by GPC.
IIRC, Drake's 1 GPC, which in turn had 6 TPCs.
Kind of annoyed that 'GPC' is too short to search for, otherwise it'd be easier to confirm.

 

[Stinky Horse]

The ratio of ROPs to SMs isn't constant for desktop Ampere though. It varies from as low as 1.333 (3090 TI) to as high as ~2.1 (3060 TI). If I'm reading the table on wikipedia right, anyway.

Not to SMs, but they all have 16 per GPC, so going by that Drake would have 16. But The A100 AI chip apparently has 20 per GPC? So there may be other options.

 

[ShadowFox08]

@ReddDreadtheLead

What's there to grasp at? That device isn't out yet. I'm just saying that you could be wrong about this (and maybe over reacting a bit). It is possible that AMD is refreshing/releasing their 6800U GPU to include support for lpddr5x, but just haven't posted it yet online. Or that device is just using a customized version of the GPU to support it only Even if AMD does rerelease the 6800U GPU to all consumers, there doesn't necessarily mean they will have higher clocks enabled, but rather use to reduce power consumption.

I just sent an email to the company to clarify. But it's on their site multiple times, so it's hard to see it as merely a typo. I find it hard to believe that they would lie about it and commit what would essentially be seen as fraud.

I don't care if they don't support it for their gaming device. Obviously it would be bad if it wasn't, as it would look like false advertising. I'm not expecting Drake to support lpddr5x, given that it's a really new RAM either, but it gives some tiny hope that it could. We'll probably get it on a revision to reduce power consumption or something

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

Not to SMs, but they all have 16 per GPC, so going by that Drake would have 16. But The A100 AI chip apparently has 20 per GPC? So there may be other options.

Drake points to supporting the similar config as the desktop though, not the Server class. So it would be 16ROPs I think.

Unless NVidia just loaded it with more ROPs

@ReddDreadtheLead

What's there to grasp at? That device isn't out yet. I'm just saying that you could be wrong about this (and maybe over reacting a bit). It is possible that AMD is refreshing/releasing their 6800U GPU to include support for lpddr5x, but just haven't posted it yet online. Or that device is using a customized version of the GPU to support it.

I just sent an email to the company to clarify. But it's on their site multiple times, so it's hard to see it as merely a typo. I find it hard to believe that they would lie about it and commit what would essentially be seen as fraud.

I don't care if they don't support it for their gaming device. Obviously it would be bad if it wasn't, as it would ne was false advertising. I'm not totally expecting Drake to support lpddr5x, given that it's a really new RAM.

Why would this small company like this have access to a customized version of this?

 

[Dakhil]

I was thinking more about the bandwidth. HDMI 2.0b only supports up to 18 Gbps (which 4K60 fits into), but anything above 60 (at 4K) would require more bandwidth, like the 48 Gbps of HDMI 2.1. So if we assume that Drake can, in certain specific games, output 4K at a framerate higher than 60, I think it would be kind of a missed opportunity to not use HDMI 2.1.

For VRR I was mostly referring to docked mode, since I doubt the Drake switch's display would go higher than 60Hz

Assuming Nintendo's new hardware uses a chip similar to the PI3USB31532 (the Nintendo Switch and the OLED model use the PI3USB30532), and the dock for Nintendo's new hardware uses a chip similar to the RTD2173 (the Nintendo Switch use the STDP2250 and the OLED model use the RTD2172N, which is similar to the RTD2172U), then Nintendo's new hardware won't be able to access HDMI 2.1's max bandwidth of 48 Gbps, but rather DisplayPort 1.4's max bandwidth of 32.4 Gbps. When Nintendo's new hardware's connected to the dock, the USB 3.2 Gen 2 signals on Nintendo's new hardware gets switched to DisplayPort 1.4 signals, which gets sent to the dock; and then the dock converts the DisplayPort 1.4 signals to HDMI 2.1 signals, which gets sent to the TV to display an output. And I don't think there exists a crossbar switch chip with DisplayPort 2.0 support, nor there exists DisplayPort 2.0 to HDMI 2.1 converter chip.

I don't know if Nintendo wants to limit VRR to TV mode. As I've said before, I imagine Nintendo prefers to have VRR supported in handheld mode and TV mode. And so far, mobile OLED displays that support VRR seem to have a minimum resolution of 1080p and a max refresh rate of 120 Hz (e.g. iPhone 13 Pro & iPhone 13 Pro Max).

 

[Concernt]

Interesting. I posted about this 2 months ago: The OLED dock is capable of supplying all 39W from the AC adapter to the console, presumably by starving the USB ports. Since the OLED console doesn't consume more power than the v2 model, this seems to be a future-proofing feature. It's a distinct possibility that the next Switch model may increase its docked mode TDP.

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Well, there's three things to consider (Maybe 4?):

1: The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port (The official name, which doesn't mention the OLED Model funny enough.) supports firmware updates. Firmware updates for the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 both modified the HDMI controller to support higher end features (3D and HDR respectively.) post-launch.

2. The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port supports 4K60HDR output, even if the console doesn't, without an update. The Orin supports 4K120, yes, but the Tegra X1 has always supported 4K and HDR without a whiff of support on Switch five years after the fact. 4K60HDR seems reasonable even at a max for the Orin powered Switch, if it comes to be.

3. I'm posting this on a 4K monitor running at 60hz- through a Wii U HDMI cable, the same one that came with the Nintendo Switch at launch. The OLED Model Cable is even better. Maybe not 4K120HDR, but possibly 4K120SDR.

The maybe 4: The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port has excessive ventilation for the V1 Switch, nevermind the OLED Model, and includes a lip around the ventilation area. The Switch only NEEDS one vent- the V1 has one of the intake vents almost entirely obscured internally. The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port has FOUR.

Just quickly bringing these things together. Do we have any other vaguely interesting information about the Nintendo Switch Dock With LAN Port? Are we barking up the wrong tree here, or am I not the only one who thinks the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN port was made with a new Nintendo Switch Console in mind beyond the OLED?

I'm not sure why they'd use a 4K capable output (other than price as oldpuck has pointed out), or a 4K capable cable (as my testing has proven), or design a dock that can support more than DOUBLE the output (per fwd-bwd's post) JUST for a refresh on the level of an XL Model like the OLED. If the next console really IS years away, why wouldn't it get its own dock? By then USB-A 2.0 will probably be old fashioned.

 

[ShadowFox08]

Drake points to supporting the similar config as the desktop though, not the Server class. So it would be 16ROPs I think.

Unless NVidia just loaded it with more ROPs


Why would this small company like this have access to a customized version of this?

But who exactly is AOKZOE? It appears to be a sub-brand of a Chinese company One Netbook, which has been making handheld PCs for the past few years.

AOKZOE A1 handheld gaming PC with Ryzen 7 6800U is coming soon - Liliputing

AOKZOE A1 handheld gaming PC with Ryzen 7 6800U is coming soon

liliputing.com

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

But who exactly is AOKZOE? It appears to be a sub-brand of a Chinese company One Netbook, which has been making handheld PCs for the past few years.

AOKZOE A1 handheld gaming PC with Ryzen 7 6800U is coming soon - Liliputing

AOKZOE A1 handheld gaming PC with Ryzen 7 6800U is coming soon

liliputing.com

This inspires very little confidence

So, you have a small company that has a subsidiary that is a smaller company and I’m expected to believe that they somehow managed to have access to an AMD APU that is an updated version of a previous APU that they released in the same year but not at the same time, nine months apart, and the one that was released later supports a new better memory standard than the one released in January. Let that sink in.

I get AMD can be weird, but I’ve never seen them release a redundant product in this fashion before.

At some point you have to start questioning what it is you’re reading, either A) that’s a typo or B) they lying.

Or C) AMD showed us that they don’t care, they can do this change within a year and this small company has access to silicon not even announced.

 

[Deleted member 887]

Just quickly bringing these things together. Do we have any other vaguely interesting information about the Nintendo Switch Dock With LAN Port? Are we barking up the wrong tree here, or am I not the only one who thinks the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN port was made with a new Nintendo Switch Console in mind beyond the OLED?

It was, in fact, widely assumed when the OLED was revealed. However, the dock is built in standard off the shelf tech and the general consensus amongst hardware heads was “maybe they use this for future hardware but this is just the current, mass produced off the shelf hardware”

Maybe Nintendo has future plans for the new dock, but there isn’t anything in it that isn’t explained with that.

 

[Concernt]

It was, in fact, widely assumed when the OLED was revealed. However, the dock is built in standard off the shelf tech and the general consensus amongst hardware heads was “maybe they use this for future hardware but this is just the current, mass produced off the shelf hardware”

Maybe Nintendo has future plans for the new dock, but there isn’t anything in it that isn’t explained with that.

Except for the output rating, ventilation and firmware updates.

I mean, come on man, sure, "off the shelf" explains two of the five points, but that leaves a majority unaccounted for. Why overbuild the dock's power delivery capabilities? Why overbuild the ventilation? Sure it's only cents worth of plastic or cents worth of components, but the adage from Commodore's engineering department rings true:

"Pennies matter in quantities of a million."- Bil Herd, and that was them referring directly to the power supply aspect.

 

[Arrtyfact]

Assuming Nintendo's new hardware uses a chip similar to the PI3USB31532 (the Nintendo Switch and the OLED model use the PI3USB30532), and the dock for Nintendo's new hardware uses a chip similar to the RTD2173 (the Nintendo Switch use the STDP2250 and the OLED model use the RTD2172N, which is similar to the RTD2172U), then Nintendo's new hardware won't be able to access HDMI 2.1's max bandwidth of 48 Gbps, but rather DisplayPort 1.4's max bandwidth of 32.4 Gbps. When Nintendo's new hardware's connected to the dock, the USB 3.2 Gen 2 signals on Nintendo's new hardware gets switched to DisplayPort 1.4 signals, which gets sent to the dock; and then the dock converts the DisplayPort 1.4 signals to HDMI 2.1 signals, which gets sent to the TV to display an output. And I don't think there exists a crossbar switch chip with DisplayPort 2.0 support, nor there exists DisplayPort 2.0 to HDMI 2.1 converter chip.

Oh, I didn't know DisplayPort 1.4's bandwidth was lower, thanks!

I think that using 32 Gbps of the max 48 Gbps of HDMI 2.1 could still achieve 4K120, though with some limitations. That's what the PS5 does, it "only" has 32 Gbps of HDMI bandwidth, but can still output 4K120, though that requires using 4:2:2 chroma subsampling.

 

[ShadowFox08]

This inspires very little confidence

So, you have a small company that has a subsidiary that is a smaller company and I’m expected to believe that they somehow managed to have access to an AMD APU that is an updated version of a previous APU that they released in the same year but not at the same time, nine months apart, and the one that was released later supports a new better memory standard than the one released in January. Let that sink in.

I get AMD can be weird, but I’ve never seen them release a redundant product in this fashion before.

At some point you have to start questioning what it is you’re reading, either A) that’s a typo or B) they lying.

Or C) AMD showed us that they don’t care, they can do this change within a year and this small company has access to silicon not even announced.

What do you mean? One Netbook has a history of selling mini gaming laptops/PCs.

also in the article:

According to a press release, AOKZOE started an an independent group before partnering with One Netbook, which is responsible for manufacturing the hardware while AOKZOE handles “market development and product design. But Shenzhen One Netbook Technology Co, Ltd. has applied for a trademark for the AOKZOE brand, suggesting they’re basically the same company.

It’s unclear why the company, which already sells a number of handheld gaming PCs with Intel or AMD processor options, needs another brand to sell systems under. While One Netbook has confirmed it is working on handhelds with AMD’s new Ryzen 7 6800U processor, I guess the company never said it would be sold under the usual ONEXPLAYER brand.

Likely a custom GPU variant , or a refresh coming out next year as well. I dunno. idc. They're using it for reduced power consumption anyway, and not performance.

Lots of custom GPUs from AMD and Nvidia aren't on their websites. I'm not expecting 12SM Orion to be there on Nvidia with detailed specs (let alone Nintendo) when Drake/Switch 2 gets announced, unless we get another Nvidia shield or something . But who knows.. maybe there will be other clients in the future that will be interested in it as well for handheld gaming, and release specs on their website...

 

[Pokemaniac]

I wouldn't entirely rule out 120 Hz output, but just getting the signal to the TV is going to be a pretty heavy lift for a Switch-style video setup with current hardware, so I'm also not really expecting it.

I actually don’t think a Lite OLED makes sense right now (maybe ever)? I’m not sure why people keep saying ‘yeah that would make sense.’

The Switch OLED reveal last year seems to have really hurt some people.

 

[Eradicate]

It's higher quality but the same spec according to the Nintendo website (High Speed sans LAN, not Ultra High Speed). It's more flexible. And in testing with my 4K HDR capable laptop and Xbox Series X, more than capable of 4K60HDR, despite Nintendo's claims to the contrary. It has Model Number HEG-005.

That's pretty interesting...hmm...

Why do they post a picture of the old model with 8+ mm wide heat pipe? Is this another person confused between the oled model and the lcd model?

I "think" (just a guess!) they posted that picture because it shows the heat pipe. Well, not "THE" new heat pipe, just a clear view of the heat pipe. Granted, that could just be me giving a lot of benefit of the doubt, but just guessing!

I want it to happen just to see the reaction here tbh

can somebody give it a VR feel and add the letter u somewhere

I know, I know, it's gorgeous and exactly what you were thinking of!

 

[karmitt]

I wouldn't entirely rule out 120 Hz output, but just getting the signal to the TV is going to be a pretty heavy lift for a Switch-style video setup with current hardware, so I'm also not really expecting it.

The Switch OLED reveal last year seems to have really hurt some people.

Yeah. I know it knocked the wind out of my sails.

But even where OLED Model felt like an odd move to wrap our heads around, an OLED Lite following it this year is far more difficult to justify :|

 

[Deleted member 887]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/dlss-arrives-in-monster-hunter-rise-but-shaves-off-everyones-fur

 

[Jersh]

Just quickly bringing these things together. Do we have any other vaguely interesting information about the Nintendo Switch Dock With LAN Port? Are we barking up the wrong tree here, or am I not the only one who thinks the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN port was made with a new Nintendo Switch Console in mind beyond the OLED?

I'm not sure why they'd use a 4K capable output (other than price as oldpuck has pointed out), or a 4K capable cable (as my testing has proven), or design a dock that can support more than DOUBLE the output (per fwd-bwd's post) JUST for a refresh on the level of an XL Model like the OLED. If the next console really IS years away, why wouldn't it get its own dock? By then USB-A 2.0 will probably be old fashioned.

I largely agree with this. The only thing I'll note is that Nintendo still ships USB A cables with their controllers, and will probably keep using the connector for a while. I don't expect Drake to change this regardless of when it launches.

Oh, I didn't know DisplayPort 1.4's bandwidth was lower, thanks!

I think that using 32 Gbps of the max 48 Gbps of HDMI 2.1 could still achieve 4K120, though with some limitations. That's what the PS5 does, it "only" has 32 Gbps of HDMI bandwidth, but can still output 4K120, though that requires using 4:2:2 chroma subsampling.

As an aside, it'd have to forgo the USB lane in the USB-C port to get to 32.4 Gbps; otherwise it'd be stuck with just two DP 1.4 lanes, or 16.2 Gbps. DP 2.0 is kinda perfect, as it'd let you get as high as 40 Gbps with just two lanes, but as @Dakhil points out it's just a bit too new to have the required supporting ecosystem of microchips.

Whether or not that's actually a big deal is unclear to me. I'm not sure if the USB ports on the dock would have to be disabled, or if they could be routed through the dedicated USB 2.0 pins in the USB-C connector. It's possible they are already.

I wouldn't entirely rule out 120 Hz output, but just getting the signal to the TV is going to be a pretty heavy lift for a Switch-style video setup with current hardware, so I'm also not really expecting it.

Agreed with this though. I subscribe to the idea that the new model will re-use the OLED dock, which is limited to HDMI 2.0.

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

What do you mean? One Netbook has a history of selling mini gaming laptops/PCs

Already a niche within a niche. This isn’t some big company, it’s a small company.

also in the article:

According to a press release, AOKZOE started an an independent group before partnering with One Netbook, which is responsible for manufacturing the hardware while AOKZOE handles “market development and product design. But Shenzhen One Netbook Technology Co, Ltd. has applied for a trademark for the AOKZOE brand, suggesting they’re basically the same company.

It’s unclear why the company, which already sells a number of handheld gaming PCs with Intel or AMD processor options, needs another brand to sell systems under. While One Netbook has confirmed it is working on handhelds with AMD’s new Ryzen 7 6800U processor, I guess the company never said it would be sold under the usual ONEXPLAYER brand.

Likely a custom GPU variant , or a refresh coming out next year as well. I dunno. idc. They're using it for reduced power consumption anyway, and not performance.

Lots of custom GPUs from AMD and Nvidia aren't on their websites. I'm not expecting 12SM Orion to be there on Nvidia with detailed specs (let alone Nintendo) when Drake/Switch 2 gets announced, unless we get another Nvidia shield or something . But who knows.. maybe there will be other clients in the future that will be interested in it as well for handheld gaming, and release specs on their website...

Are you seriously comparing a multi billion dollar company getting a custom chip that they funded for years to a small Chinese company who is in a niche within a niche that is making mini PCs/portable console-like PCs?

Do you not see the issue with believing that they get 5x when the SOC quite literally, physically, cannot support 5X?

Let’s repeat this, why would this small company have access to custom silicon that seemingly no one else has, and they labeled the silicon as 6800U which does not support 5X only 5, and why would they have it months ahead of AMD launching it?

 

[Concernt]

I largely agree with this. The only thing I'll note is that Nintendo still ships USB A cables with their controllers, and will probably keep using the connector for a while. I don't expect Drake to change this regardless of when it launches.

Well, I was talking in the hypothetical of YEARS away, beyond Drake. I agree with you that Drake will probably re-use the OLED Dock. USB 2.0 is already pretty decrepit, by then it would be absurd. The generation after Drake will probably move away from USB A unless it continues to hang on for dear life like it has for so long. Basically, if the industry keeps moving towards C, the successor to Drake will probably move to all USB C. If not, it won't. Nintendo launched Nintendo Switch with what as the time a very, very high end USB-C port, I imagine subsequent Switches would follow, using better standards every "gen", or in the case of an iPhone-like upgrade model, every power jump (which is what I expect).

Agreed with this though. I subscribe to the idea that the new model will re-use the OLED dock, which is limited to HDMI 2.0.

2.0b! It's not too bad. 1440p120, 4K120 at 4:2:2, possibly even VRR. Also of note is the updatable firmware! PS3 and PS4 both upgraded their HDMI standard over the launch model with a software update, and some LG TVs jumped from HDMI 2.0b to 2.1 with an update, too.

 

[ShadowFox08]

Already a niche within a niche. This isn’t some big company, it’s a small company.

Are you seriously comparing a multi billion dollar company getting a custom chip that they funded for years to a small Chinese company who is in a niche within a niche that is making mini PCs/portable console-like PCs?

Do you not see the issue with believing that they get 5x when the SOC quite literally, physically, cannot support 5X?

Let’s repeat this, why would this small company have access to custom silicon that seemingly no one else has, and they labeled the silicon as 6800U which does not support 5X only 5, and why would they have it months ahead of AMD launching it?

I don't know. Why don't you contact AMD's customer support and find out yourself if it's real? I'm done talking about this.

 

[Dekuman]

Honest question, what if it's called the Switch U.

DOA?

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

Honest question, what if it's called the Switch U.

DOA?

What about Switch Espresso

 

[Arrtyfact]

2.0b! It's not too bad. 1440p120, 4K120 at 4:2:2, possibly even VRR. Also of note is the updatable firmware! PS3 and PS4 both upgraded their HDMI standard over the launch model with a software update, and some LG TVs jumped from HDMI 2.0b to 2.1 with an update, too.

I think the issue here is bandwidth. HDMI 2.0b supports a maximum of 18 Gbps. According to this calculator I found online, the only way to fit 4K120 inside 18 Gbps is by using 8-bit 4:2:0 which, while still good, would put HDR out of the equation (if the next switch supports HDR, hopefully). I also don't think 4K120 is an officially supported resolution/refresh rate pair in the HDMI 2.0b specification. Unless Nintendo wants to go out-of-spec

 

[ILikeFeet]

What about Switch Espresso

Switch Cafe

 

[Concernt]

I think the issue here is bandwidth. HDMI 2.0b supports a maximum of 18 Gbps. According to this calculator I found online, the only way to fit 4K120 inside 18 Gbps is by using 8-bit 4:2:0 which, while still good, would put HDR out of the equation (if the next switch supports HDR, hopefully). I also don't think 4K120 is an officially supported resolution/refresh rate pair in the HDMI 2.0b specification. Unless Nintendo wants to go out-of-spec

Whoops, good catch, apologies!

I think a dynamic output would make sense, no? A game supports HDR but not 120, it switches to that output, and vice versa. Like Xbox Series does. This would allow it to do HDR 4K or SDR 4K120, etc., etc. Which is what I expect, personally.

 

[Mr_No_U]

Switch Pratt so cool

 

[chocolate_supra]

Switch Pratt so cool

if it's so cool than why is it reportedly getting that new heat tube??

 

[Arrtyfact]

I think a dynamic output would make sense, no? A game supports HDR but not 120, it switches to that output, and vice versa. Like Xbox Series does. This would allow it to do HDR 4K or SDR 4K120, etc., etc. Which is what I expect, personally.

Yeah I could definitely see that happening, but I'm still hopeful for full 48 Gbps HDMI 2.1

 

[Concernt]

Yeah I could definitely see that happening, but I'm still hopeful for full 48 Gbps HDMI 2.1

Please, we're all just hoping the 4K capable Nintendo Switch comes to pass. 48Gbps would require DisplayPort adaptors that don't exist, sadly, and a new dock, making the overbuilding of the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port pointless. It's not exactly an FPGA that can be modified on the fly. I expect it to remain constrained by the current dock. Especially since it seems to be coming sooner rather than later. The OLED Model will live on, but all that RnD into a new dock that doesn't work properly with a console released only a year out?

 

[Concernt]

I want to comment on something I've noticed:

Since the USB C port has dedicated LAN and USB 2.0 pins, and the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port has no USB 3.0 interface... meaning the entire bandwidth is exposed to the HDMI port, in theory?

Correct me if I'm wrong, as usual.

Another thing: The OLED Model's stand can only exist due to the die shrink and subsequent MoBo shrink. I doubt the Drake will have the luxury of internal space.
As such, do we think, perhaps, they could still re-use the hinges (rather than going back to a terrible one like the V1/2) by moving them somewhere that's sort of dead space, like the top corners, with a kickstand covering the whole back?

 

[kojimaposting]

I want to comment on something I've noticed:

Since the USB C port has dedicated LAN and USB 2.0 pins, and the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port has no USB 3.0 interface... meaning the entire bandwidth is exposed to the HDMI port, in theory?

Correct me if I'm wrong, as usual.

Another thing: The OLED Model's stand can only exist due to the die shrink and subsequent MoBo shrink. I doubt the Drake will have the luxury of internal space.
As such, do we think, perhaps, they could still re-use the hinges (rather than going back to a terrible one like the V1/2) by moving them somewhere that's sort of dead space, like the top corners, with a kickstand covering the whole back?

First post - hi everyone!

I think some people earlier in the thread were speculating that they might move the hinges upward, and then create a thin "outline" hinge that covers the edges of the backplate. Not unlike some of the HP Spectre kickstands.

 

[Raccoon]

First post - hi everyone!

I think some people earlier in the thread were speculating that they might move the hinges upward, and then create a thin "outline" hinge that covers the edges of the backplate. Not unlike some of the HP Spectre kickstands.

thank you for posting an example of one of these!

 

[Dakhil]

2.0b! It's not too bad. 1440p120, 4K120 at 4:2:2, possibly even VRR.

HDMI Forums mentions that HDMI 2.0b doesn't officially support VRR.

However, VRR can be supported through HDMI 2.0b via other companies' VRR implementations. The Xbox One S and the Xbox One X does support VRR through HDMI 2.0b via AMD FreeSync.

 

[Concernt]

First post - hi everyone!

I think some people earlier in the thread were speculating that they might move the hinges upward, and then create a thin "outline" hinge that covers the edges of the backplate. Not unlike some of the HP Spectre kickstands.

Ah! That does sound cool. It'd make room for the extra air intakes on the back it may need, and which the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port implies with its four intakes.

With games without Super Switch updates, it could even run more games without running the fan at all to save battery life. A trick the OLED Model pulls off with its tiny heat pipe, so I have no doubt the Drake with its fatt pype could do without issue unless strained.

 

[Concernt]

HDMI Forums mentions that HDMI 2.0b doesn't officially support VRR.

However, VRR can be supported through HDMI 2.0b via other companies' VRR implementations. The Xbox One S and the Xbox One X does support VRR through HDMI 2.0b via AMD FreeSync.

Ooh, interesting, good catch. I do expect it to pull a couple "tricks" like that, what with the firmware updating dock and all that.

 

[karmitt]

First post - hi everyone!

I think some people earlier in the thread were speculating that they might move the hinges upward, and then create a thin "outline" hinge that covers the edges of the backplate. Not unlike some of the HP Spectre kickstands.

There was a post on a Chinese language forum months (?) ago describing a backplate, where something had been cutout allowing for another portion, which was originally concave, to become convex.

The whole thing was very vague, and yet to be proven to be legitimate, but some in this thread speculated it could have been describing the kick stand being modified from OLED Model’s to be like the HP Spectre style.

 

[Mr Doggo]

i just want a dock that lets you put the switch in horizontal mode that would be so cool

 

[Raccoon]

if I was right about the kickstand I'm going to scream

 

[kojimaposting]

There was a post on a Chinese language forum months (?) ago describing a backplate, where something had been cutout allowing for another portion, which was originally concave, to become convex.

The whole thing was very vague, and yet to be proven to be legitimate, but some in this thread speculated it could have been describing the kick stand being modified from OLED Model’s to be like the HP Spectre style.

Oh cool - thanks for clarifying!

 

[mariodk18]

How sturdy is that style of kickstand? Surely it’s at least better than the OG one.

 

[Concernt]

How sturdy is that style of kickstand? Surely it’s at least better than the OG one.

Consider it'd be metal, like the OLED Model, and using the same hinges, so it'd probably be PRETTY decent.

 

[fwd-bwd]

I think some people earlier in the thread were speculating that they might move the hinges upward, and then create a thin "outline" hinge that covers the edges of the backplate. Not unlike some of the HP Spectre kickstands.

Ah! That does sound cool. It'd make room for the extra air intakes on the back it may need, and which the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port implies with its four intakes.

 

[Raccoon]

How sturdy is that style of kickstand? Surely it’s at least better than the OG one.

given that the hinge would be higher up, I imagine that it would be more stable at most positions than the OLED, though in that case it would take up more space when extended

I'm not really sure, but almost anything symmetrical would be better than the original

 

[Dakhil]

Why don't you contact AMD's customer support and find out yourself if it's real?

I doubt anyone from AMD's customer support knows more about potential unreleased products from AMD than anyone else here. I think when asked, someone from AMD's customer support is probably going to refer to the Ryzen 7 6800U product page, which only mentions DDR5-4800 and LPDDR5-6400.

I want to comment on something I've noticed:

Since the USB C port has dedicated LAN and USB 2.0 pins, and the Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port has no USB 3.0 interface... meaning the entire bandwidth is exposed to the HDMI port, in theory?

Correct me if I'm wrong, as usual.

I don't think a data line for Ethernet exists on the USB Type-C pinout.

The OLED model's dock features the RTL8154B chip for the LAN port, with Realtek mentioning USB 2.0, which I presume means supporting up to USB 2.0 data transfer rates (480 Mbps).

I assume the USB 2.0 data lines on the USB Type-C pinout is used for the two USB 2.0 ports on the dock. So the OLED model's dock should theoretically have full access to DisplayPort 1.2's max bandwidth of 21.6 Gbps since the OLED model uses the PI3USB30532, the same chip on the Nintendo Switch. And dataminers noticed that Nintendo added "4kdp_preferred_over_usb30" when Nintendo released system update 12.0.0 around last year.

 

[Raccoon]

oh yeah, I'm all aboard the wraparound kickstand train

 

[Concernt]

i just want a dock that lets you put the switch in horizontal mode that would be so cool

You can already do that. Just lay the dock on its back.

You know what I'd like? A stand that OFFICIALLY supports Tate mode. Both the V1/2 and OLED can technically lean on one side and the kickstand but it's not very stable.

I doubt anyone from AMD's customer support knows more about potential unreleased products from AMD than anyone else here. I think when asked, someone from AMD's customer support is probably going to refer to the Ryzen 7 6800U product page, which only mentions DDR5-4800 and LPDDR5-6400.

I don't think a data line for Ethernet exists on the USB Type-C pinout.

The OLED model's dock features the RTL8154B chip for the LAN port, with Realtek mentioning USB 2.0, which I presume means supporting up to USB 2.0 data transfer rates (480 Mbps).

I assume the USB 2.0 data lines on the USB Type-C pinout is used for the two USB 2.0 ports on the dock. So the OLED model's dock should theoretically have full access to DisplayPort 1.2's max bandwidth of 21.6 Gbps since the OLED model uses the PI3USB30532, the same chip on the Nintendo Switch. And dataminers noticed that Nintendo added "4kdp_preferred_over_usb30" when Nintendo released system update 12.0.0 around last year.

WOW! Those are some good catches!

I knew about the 4KDP stuff, I've been trying to pay attention to datamines, they've shown us so much. Like OLED Model! Remember Aula. I think the 4K and 1440p mentions in the firmware would point to this being firmly in the Nintendo Switch generation with the same system software. Speaking of, Nintendo Switch uses an 8 core CPU with the 4 low performance cores deactivated, and the OS running on one of the remaining high performance cores. Have leaks pointed to the Drake dropping low performance cores entirely? Do we have an idea of CPU core count?

oh yeah, I'm all aboard the wraparound kickstand train

HONESTLY, I used to be team "back to the old shitstand", then "a good kickstand that's across the whole back with vent slots", now I'm firmly in the wraparound camp.

I just wanna see the damn thing now!

 

[Jersh]

Well, I was talking in the hypothetical of YEARS away, beyond Drake. I agree with you that Drake will probably re-use the OLED Dock. USB 2.0 is already pretty decrepit, by then it would be absurd. The generation after Drake will probably move away from USB A unless it continues to hang on for dear life like it has for so long. Basically, if the industry keeps moving towards C, the successor to Drake will probably move to all USB C. If not, it won't. Nintendo launched Nintendo Switch with what as the time a very, very high end USB-C port, I imagine subsequent Switches would follow, using better standards every "gen", or in the case of an iPhone-like upgrade model, every power jump (which is what I expect).

I've revised my thinking a bit; whenever they update the controllers, they'll move to USB-C. I think they'll stay at A until then.

2.0b! It's not too bad. 1440p120, 4K120 at 4:2:2, possibly even VRR. Also of note is the updatable firmware! PS3 and PS4 both upgraded their HDMI standard over the launch model with a software update, and some LG TVs jumped from HDMI 2.0b to 2.1 with an update, too.

Problem here is the actual controller chip that drives the HDMI port is 2.0b. I don't believe there's any getting around that with firmware.