ShaunSwitch
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I hope they do call it Switch OLED 4K, just so when the AR patents come to fruition they can call the next device the "Switch OLED 4K With Camera for AR."
I get where this argument comes from, but (and I recognize I'm being nitpicky) whether the TV is OLED or not, the console still is. Naming the console after something the console has (OLED screen) makes sense regardless of whether the TV it's hooked to has the same feature, or the ability to even use the feature. But if the Drake is called "Switch 4K" yet the system itself doesn't have a 4K screen, it can only output 4K and that's only if you have a 4K television, that name feels a bit murky to me. Especially since the power bump will be experienced in handheld at 720, as well. I think "4K" is just far too narrow a description of what this thing will actually do. It deserves a better name.Is Switch Oled a bad name when TV mode doesn't have an oled display (if the player has a led TV)?
Just semantic… they just need to market it good for a better understanding and still on switch lifespan.Switch 4K doesn't immediately communicate a power upgrade to me. We in the know are aware that more powerful hardware is needed for 4K DLSS but not everyone does, and might assume it's the current hardware with some kind of upscaling bolted on.
I would assume Nintendo wants to make clear that this is a performance boost that people playing in handheld mode and/or without 4K displays would benefit from. I like "Switch Plus", "Switch Super", etc. (if not Switch 2).
<or use roman numerals, Switch II>
This is what I would do, however I don’t see Nintendo actually going this route for the first time in their history.What Sony is doing is great and very simple, without any confusion (PS, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5..),
having on mind that next Switch hardware will also be hybrid, most practical name would simple be Switch 2 (which screams next gen Switch console).
& KnucklesI hope they do call it Switch OLED 4K, just so when the AR patents come to fruition they can call the next device the "Switch OLED 4K With Camera for AR."
I would take super switch over switch 4k.Just semantic… they just need to market it good for a better understanding and still on switch lifespan.
Have you tried doing a logarithmic curve chart? It can give you the values at certain frequencies even if you can’t exactly hit it. I don’t expect it to be dramatically lower, but lower nonetheless. To a point that is.
That said, thank you very much for this effort! If you have the values at certain frequencies that you tested (from lowest to highest) it may prove fruitful.
Despite the caveats you mentioned of course.
A 5000mAh battery may be needed , or they should go for that.
when you cap power/performance, DLSS can save quite a bit of power
TechPoweredUp reviewed the A2000 and it's hella efficient. half the power of the 3050 for the same performance. I know they had to beat AMD, but damn, why do the rest of the cards have to be so crazy high
NVIDIA RTX A2000 Review - World’s Fastest ITX Card: Low-Profile and Slot-Powered
NVIDIA's RTX A2000 is the fastest graphics card that fits into a low-profile form factor. It's fast enough for 1080p Full HD Gaming at maximum details and achieves that with 75 W slot power only, which makes it even more energy-efficient than AMD's 6 and 7 nanometer RDNA2 graphics cards.www.techpowerup.com
What would the tensor cores even be used for gameplay wise? Besides, there’s going to be a very limited amount of tensor cores on the system, so I don’t know if they’d even have enough to do both DLSS and anything else major with them at the same time.I doubt they will turn off TC or even RT cores in portable mode (assuming they are even able to).
Nintendo is totally using those cores for new gameplay ideas, that's part of their DNA.
Not mention that lowering native resolution saves battery, so its quite possible that 540p+DLSS actually saves battery compared to 720p or balances each other out.
Yeah, you've explained it well here. This name really covers all the features, doesn't sound bad and is used nowadays.Nintendo Switch Ultra. Gets across that it’s stronger and Ultra itself is a reference to 4k (Ultra HD). Ultra is also a word used in the mobile space to denote a stronger device.
Switch U, oh no no no noNintendo Switch Ultra. Gets across that it’s stronger and Ultra itself is a reference to 4k (Ultra HD). Ultra is also a word used in the mobile space to denote a stronger device.
Interesting response!Fuck these guys!
Yeah, iirc there is a patent that Sony has for their BC with the PS4 where it basically disables the SMT in the CPU, but I think they also clock it down? The last part I don’t remember but the first part I do remember where it disables some aspects.We again talk about Nvidia GPU and ARM CPU, not about something completely different (like AMD CPU/GPU).
I mean, PS5 and XsX-S also have BC despite using there is quite difference betwine PS5/XB1.
Wasn’t it that he heard it could be late 2022 not that it def is late 2022?But Nate said late 2022 few days ago.
I mean, the PS4 and One X are advertised as being 4K machines even in instances where they don’t hit it. Or the Series X and PS5 that have 8k slapped on the box.The Switch 4K name in theory sounds nice, but it would give the impression that all games on it are 4K, which wouldn't be true and could be called false advertising.
To be fair, it having the name of “super” is a gamer centric vernacular when applied to the Nintendo console. The last time they popularly used the term Super was with the SNES!but in a more consumer friendly, and not gamer-centric, vernacular
I like these.I would assume Nintendo wants to make clear that this is a performance boost that people playing in handheld mode and/or without 4K displays would benefit from. I like "Switch Plus", "Switch Super", etc. (if not Switch 2).
<or use roman numerals, Switch II>
AI interactions. A smarter game that learns from you!What would the tensor cores even be used for gameplay wise?
It must be done!Switch U, oh no no no no
Actually I wrote that about the hackers, as a response to them leaking employee information.Interesting response!
I'm sure someone smarter than us could possibly figure out a way to use tensor cores for non-ML tasks. right now there is no incentive, but Nintendo devs would have it. though I would think Nvidia would have said something about usecases themselves by nowWhat would the tensor cores even be used for gameplay wise? Besides, there’s going to be a very limited amount of tensor cores on the system, so I don’t know if they’d even have enough to do both DLSS and anything else major with them at the same time.
I know DLSS of higher res is more power efficient than native res, but my point is I’ve not seen anyone show that something like 540p upscaled via DLSS to 720p is more efficient, so I’m just prepared for DLSS to not be used in handheld. I’m not saying it won’t, but since I have literally no idea if there’s diminishing returns regarding power at lower resolutions. I’m just prepared for it not to be there because of this, that’s all.
I am talking specifically about naming the console Switch 4K, not about saying it is a 4K machine.I mean, the PS4 and One X are advertised as being 4K machines even in instances where they don’t hit it. Or the Series X and PS5 that have 8k slapped on the box.
The problem with using ML for something not IQ related on PC, is that it would only be compatible on hardware with ML capibilites.I'm sure someone smarter than us could possibly figure out a way to use tensor cores for non-ML tasks. right now there is no incentive, but Nintendo devs would have it. though I would think Nvidia would have said something about usecases themselves by now
Well tensor cores are basically just reduced-precision matrix multiplication units. Matrix multiplication is a common enough operation in games, but I couldn't say whether using FP16 in those cases would still provide sufficient accuracy. I'm sure at least some developers will find non-ML use-cases for them, though.I'm sure someone smarter than us could possibly figure out a way to use tensor cores for non-ML tasks. right now there is no incentive, but Nintendo devs would have it. though I would think Nvidia would have said something about usecases themselves by now
There were multiple examples earlier in the thread and Nintendo devs have a lot more creativity than me, but a major example would be physics. That plays a important role in many of their big titles, sometimes the game is made around it (like water physics in Sunshine and gravity in Galaxy).What would the tensor cores even be used for gameplay wise?
They're not forced to use DLSS. Most first party games already looks quite good on Switch, they don't really have to push 4K for all games.Besides, there’s going to be a very limited amount of tensor cores on the system, so I don’t know if they’d even have enough to do both DLSS and anything else major with them at the same time.
This is what I would do, however I don’t see Nintendo actually going this route for the first time in their history.
Yeah Switch 4k sounds like a "pro" upgrade. I don't think it will be Wii U levels bad, but Nintendo needs to advertise it carefully.Switch 4K doesn't immediately communicate a power upgrade to me. We in the know are aware that more powerful hardware is needed for 4K DLSS but not everyone does, and might assume it's the current hardware with some kind of upscaling bolted on.
I would assume Nintendo wants to make clear that this is a performance boost that people playing in handheld mode and/or without 4K displays would benefit from. I like "Switch Plus", "Switch Super", etc. (if not Switch 2).
<or use roman numerals, Switch II>
If he said today the day isn’t over.Wasn't the @NateDrake podcast supposed to be out today talking about this news? Don't see it yet on Spotify
I hope they do call it Switch OLED 4K, just so when the AR patents come to fruition they can call the next device the "Switch OLED 4K With Camera for AR."
Me too… super Switch OLED :—)I would take super switch over switch 4k.
It better communicates that this is an upgrade handheld and docked.
Nintendo DomI would take super switch over switch 4k.
It better communicates that this is an upgrade handheld and docked.
Wasn't the @NateDrake podcast supposed to be out today talking about this news? Don't see it yet on Spotify
I hope they do call it Switch OLED 4K, just so when the AR patents come to fruition they can call the next device the "Switch OLED 4K With Camera for AR."
IMO the difference is Xbox one x kept the jaguar cores. If it had Zen, MS could have credibly branded it as a new gen imo.
Also ampere has a bunch of features that cross gen games simply won’t take advantage of, mesh shaders being one of them. It’s more than just a more powerful maxwell.
But of course a lot of the difference will come down to pure marketing.
During this switch era they’ve been really on the nose though lolWith this being an UPgraded switch, and Nintendo being Nintendo I could see them calling it the Switch UP and running with a bunch of cheesy marketing.
Switch UpDuring this switch era they’ve been really on the nose though lol
Switch UP sounds like a Wii-Wii U-3DS era name
In fact, Nintendo have been so on the nose during the switch era that they give it a name that can’t be misinterpreted at what it can do or what it does or offers.
Switch: it, uhm, switches lol
Switch Lite: it’s like the switch, except it’s lacking on the switch aspect, hence the name “Lite”
For the record:
“diminished or lacking in substance or seriousness”Definition of LITE
light; diminished or lacking in substance or seriousness; specifically : being an innocuous or unthreatening version —often used postpositively… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
Switch OLED model: self explanatory
Switch next will probably be so on the nose people will complain it’s not creative enough
We have yet to record the episode. Scheduling difficulties this week.Wasn't the @NateDrake podcast supposed to be out today talking about this news? Don't see it yet on Spotify
Haha yup, you are absolutely correct. I am just dreaming of some really 90s marketing like in the Sega vs Nintendo console wars days.During this switch era they’ve been really on the nose though lol
Switch UP sounds like a Wii-Wii U-3DS era name
In fact, Nintendo have been so on the nose during the switch era that they give it a name that can’t be misinterpreted at what it can do or what it does or offers.
Switch: it, uhm, switches lol
Switch Lite: it’s like the switch, except it’s lacking on the switch aspect, hence the name “Lite”
For the record:
“diminished or lacking in substance or seriousness”Definition of LITE
light; diminished or lacking in substance or seriousness; specifically : being an innocuous or unthreatening version —often used postpositively… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
Switch OLED model: self explanatory
Switch next will probably be so on the nose people will complain it’s not creative enough
Don't think they will go for the new gen angle, especially since it's guaranteed to be much more expensive than regular Switch.Honestly, whatever Nintendo name it, I just hope it isn't a WiiU part 2. They need to be very clear that this machine is a new generation, much more stronger than Switch. That's why I like Switch 2/II. It's clear, simple and concise.
There's a possibility this device comes this year, just like there's the possibility it might only come next year. So don't set your mind in a specific timeframe. I'd argue the key thing to look will be Nintendo FY23 forecast. We will be able to infer some things from their forecast.
The Switch 4K name in theory sounds nice, but it would give the impression that all games on it are 4K, which wouldn't be true and could be called false advertising.
What Sony is doing is great and very simple, without any confusion (PS, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5..),
having on mind that next Switch hardware will also be hybrid, most practical name would simple be Switch 2 (which screams next gen Switch console).
This!! I’ve been saying this since the 4K Switch rumors first surfaced and I feel like no one else ever considers it! It just makes the most sense all around!Nintendo Switch Ultra. Gets across that it’s stronger and Ultra itself is a reference to 4k (Ultra HD). Ultra is also a word used in the mobile space to denote a stronger device.
I could see this as a realistic option.Nintendo Switch Ultra. Gets across that it’s stronger and Ultra itself is a reference to 4k (Ultra HD). Ultra is also a word used in the mobile space to denote a stronger device.
Yeah but the Switch screen is OLED, no need to be so dense.Can’t wait for the class action lawsuit cause the OLED Switch didn’t turn TVs OLED!
And I wont stop saying it until the official name is announced.Yeah, you've explained it well here. This name really covers all the features, doesn't sound bad and is used nowadays.
Now I wish they really use this!
Nintendo isn’t going to just have their games be lower res than everyone else on the system. The only time I could see Nintendo not using DLSS is for games that are already at least 1440p, which I don’t think will be something that happens regularly. Also if the system is treated as an iterative successor and almost every Nintendo published title for the first few years works on both old Switches and the new one then they’re pretty much guaranteed to not use the tensor cores for anything but DLSS.They're not forced to use DLSS. Most first party games already looks quite good on Switch, they don't really have to push 4K for all games.
Yeah the issue with Switch 4K is that it's basically like Switch OLED...in the sense that it sounds like the same Switch with a new feature. Might work better if the OLED model didn't exist to establish that naming assoication in the first place.Switch 4K doesn't immediately communicate a power upgrade to me. We in the know are aware that more powerful hardware is needed for 4K DLSS but not everyone does, and might assume it's the current hardware with some kind of upscaling bolted on.
I would assume Nintendo wants to make clear that this is a performance boost that people playing in handheld mode and/or without 4K displays would benefit from. I like "Switch Plus", "Switch Super", etc. (if not Switch 2).
<or use roman numerals, Switch II>
Clean breaks are hopefully a thing of the past at this point. PS5/XBS essentially fulfill the "iterative successor" concept already cause backwards compatibility and the amount of multi platform game development across generations these days.They could name it Switch 2 all they want. I just don’t see a clean generation break. It’ll be another iteration.
Don't think they will go for the new gen angle, especially since it's guaranteed to be much more expensive than regular Switch.
Most likely they will go for a premium angle.
As far as slightly annoying & repetitive tangents go, the naming thing is second only to "revision/successor" arguments. But I still need to put my two cents in that I would vote for Ultra (or even Advance). 4k as a name is simple but weird and would probably confuse the average consumer who doesn't even have a 4k TV. And the logical reply to that being "don't worry, most games won't even hit 4k" just makes that name choice even weirder. Sure, stick it on the box and make it a focus of advertising, but name it something else.This!! I’ve been saying this since the 4K Switch rumors first surfaced and I feel like no one else ever considers it! It just makes the most sense all around!
Would you say that 3DS XL, new 3DS and 2DS were less on the nose than Switch Lite and Switch OLED?During this switch era they’ve been really on the nose though lol
Switch UP sounds like a Wii-Wii U-3DS era name
In fact, Nintendo have been so on the nose during the switch era that they give it a name that can’t be misinterpreted at what it can do or what it does or offers.
Switch: it, uhm, switches lol
Switch Lite: it’s like the switch, except it’s lacking on the switch aspect, hence the name “Lite”
For the record:
“diminished or lacking in substance or seriousness”Definition of LITE
light; diminished or lacking in substance or seriousness; specifically : being an innocuous or unthreatening version —often used postpositively… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
Switch OLED model: self explanatory
Switch next will probably be so on the nose people will complain it’s not creative enough