PandaAndino
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September 30 along side with xenoblade 3. One only can hope
Now with all this new info and with what Nate said, do you believe it could be possible
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Now with all this new info and with what Nate said, do you believe it could be possible
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There's still no real indication of release timing in these leaks afaik.Now with all this new info and with what Nate said, do you believe it could be possible
PandaAndino
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But Nate said late 2022 few days ago.
Ghostsonplanets
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There's a possibility this device comes this year, just like there's the possibility it might only come next year. So don't set your mind in a specific timeframe. I'd argue the key thing to look will be Nintendo FY23 forecast. We will be able to infer some things from their forecast.Now with all this new info and with what Nate said, do you believe it could be possible
Was there anything new from Nate?Now with all this new info and with what Nate said, do you believe it could be possible
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Sure, Nate heard 2022 and is sticking to that, I'm just saying this leak doesn't really say anything about that either way.
Also if it needed additional confirmation this will be a hybrid, it has references to "abca2"
Refresh my memory about abca
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abca in the Switch firmware refers to the original hybrid form factor. The Lite is designated as abcc and the OLED is abcd. I think the two stationary models (copper and calcio) are abcb.
ArchedThunder
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Late 2022 might mean November. It could also easily slip into early 2023. Xenoblade 3 will probably be enhanced, you just might have to wait a few months after September for the actual device.
Thugstas
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Depends on other variable too….
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Avatar quote?
Thugstas
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There are two months without big software releases.
Thugstas
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Talking to pandaandino… on launch window
Thugstas
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Nope… business wise
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I meant, is the other variable Zelda?
ARM is way more efficient than x86 anyway, so that'll probably save a ton of power and reduce heat.
Thugstas
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For me …. Yes
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Do you mean you think it'll be delayed if BotW 2 is delayed?
Thugstas
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I would say yes. ( own speculation)
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from a business point, I think we all agree that launching with Zelda or any other important software is a no-brainer.
But it doesn’t have to be 100% Zelda botw2. It can be something else like a new 3D Mario or Metroid Prime 4 (OLED was released with Metroid Dread…)
But it doesn’t have to be 100% Zelda botw2. It can be something else like a new 3D Mario or Metroid Prime 4 (OLED was released with Metroid Dread…)
Thugstas
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Mario game + switch 4K could be
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I will say "abca2" and "NVN2" have me reconsidering that this might be Switch 2.... But then again I really, really can't see them launching a "Switch 2" at this price while calling it a new gen. I still think it's likelier that it'll be a de facto successor without them marketing it as such, kinda like a new 3DS, but actually a long term platform.
Edit: apparently abca2 is already the designation for the base Switch, abca was some prior internal test unit. Whoops.
Edit: apparently abca2 is already the designation for the base Switch, abca was some prior internal test unit. Whoops.
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Thugstas
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Switch 4K is the continuity… they will stick at tech name … and still be counting on switch Lifespan
RennanNT
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I doubt they will turn off TC or even RT cores in portable mode (assuming they are even able to).
Nintendo is totally using those cores for new gameplay ideas, that's part of their DNA.
Not mention that lowering native resolution saves battery, so its quite possible that 540p+DLSS actually saves battery compared to 720p or balances each other out.
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My 2021 PC with modern Intel and NVIDIA parts doesn't have a problem running almost anything my 2015 PC with then-modern Intel and NVIDIA parts could, even though there are several generations of difference between them.
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I imagine in a similar way Microsoft and Sony managed to achieve backwards compatibility with the Xbox Series X|S and the PlayStation 5.
Switch 4K is indeed the name. Nintendo ain't afraid no more to use a technical terminology in a name, as shown with the OLED model. I wouldn't be surprised if other switch models also used this sort of terminology, even after the upcoming 4K.
They took very different approaches actually.
Maybe Nintendo will take a third approach.
Thugstas
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4 k upscale isn’t false for mass consumers.
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I was primarily referring to Microsoft's and Sony's approach to dealing with backwards compatibility with Xbox One and PlayStation 4 games for the Xbox Series X|S and PlayStation 5.
But yeah, that's a fair point, especially since Microsoft uses software emulation to achieve limited backwards compatibility with Xbox and Xbox 360 games for the Xbox Series X|S and Xbox One.
Branduil
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That's why it will be called Super Nintendo Switch.
Switch 4K is a bad name when the portable mode will never have 4K games.
BlueKing
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It only takes one complaint over a name like Switch 4K, 4K may be in the description but it won't be in the name.
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I like Switch 4k name, its simple to understand; its a Switch console that outputs 4k resolution when you docked in the TV.
People have been used to the marketing term 4k since 2015 or so, so they know what it means (more definition -> better image quality)…
Its also possible its called Switch OLED 4k model, remarking it also has an oled screen, thus better quality for portable mode.
“super nintendo switch” sound a bit childish, I understand most of us give us nostalgic feeling because of super nintendo/famicom.
People have been used to the marketing term 4k since 2015 or so, so they know what it means (more definition -> better image quality)…
Its also possible its called Switch OLED 4k model, remarking it also has an oled screen, thus better quality for portable mode.
“super nintendo switch” sound a bit childish, I understand most of us give us nostalgic feeling because of super nintendo/famicom.
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Trevelyan
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I agree Super Nintendo Switch is the ideal name. It shows that it’s just a super powered Switch - similar in vein to PS4 Pro and Xbox One X - but in a more consumer friendly, and not gamer-centric, vernacular. Similar to the New Nintendo 3DS; not a new generation, but a continuation of the existing one with more optimized and better hardware.
RennanNT
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Both CPU and GPU has a set of instructions they can perform.
It doesn't matter how they execute these instructions internally, any software made for the instruction set is compatible. That's why you can change generations and vendors of x86 CPUs and it's still compatible. The A78 CPU cores supports the same ARMs instructions set than the A57 in the Switch, so there's no problem in that front.
On the GPU side its more complicated. There's a layer between the software and the hardware, the driver. The software asks something to the driver and the driver finds which instructions it should use to achieve that. On PCs, the driver is dettached from the software, so NVidia/AMD "just" need to release a new driver for the graphic card. On Switch, the driver is attached to the game, probably to extract more performance, so a BC similar to what PC does would require update all games binaries.
On top of that, if the software relies on certain aspects of a specific hardware to behave correctly, moving to a different hardware may produce bugs, even if the instruction set is compatible. This is becoming less and less common, but for any case like this, they will have to tweak the driver to workaround the bugs or throw into the 1% incompatible list.
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I mean the main feature of the Switch OLED Model also only works in one mode, so 4K wouldn‘t be that out of place.
Personally I think Nintendo wants to be clear and to the point with the naming conventions for products and services. Nintendo Switch Online for example is a super boring name but it makes it very clear what it is.
Super Nintendo Switch would be a bad name IMO, because there already is a Super Nintendo Console. Also there are SNES for NSO and the SNES Controller which you can buy only over NSO which both are attached to the Switch name and that could be confusing. For the same reason I don‘t think the‘ll use Pro, because there is already the Pro Controller.
If they don‘t outright market it as a full successor for the Switch I see them using something like New, Plus or even just 4K.
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But even with Xbox One software, the Xbox approach is much more software based than PlayStation.
Sony made hardware choices for comparability reasons, for example the ps4 pro being essentially 2 ps4s ducktaped together, and ps5 using the same number of rops as ps4 pro (twice as many as ps4). Also both of those are have computability modes with ps4 and ps4 pro clocks.
MS essentially bypassed having to make decisions like that entirely by running their software on a hypervisor layer. Trading a little performance, for better forward computability. Of course this issue is a lot more complex, but this is the gist of it.
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The big difference is that there is a a much higher gap in GPU power and features (including DLSS), as well as a completely new and more powerful CPU..Previous Pro consoles kept the same CPU. Ram bandwidth is expected to be 4x as much as well.
in terms of backwards compatibility, A78s should be able to play switch games.
Yeah marketing will be interesting. Could be an iterative successor. I imagine first party games will be shared with switch and this model for a few years, with some exclusives for third parties out the gate for "switch 2."
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Also there is already the PS4 Pro. It's the same reason I get confused when I see "they should just call it Switch 2" arguments, because Sony does that, and I really don't see Nintendo using nomenclature that Sony already uses on their systems.
I'm with @Skittzo, Nintendo is gonna name it something that's gonna make us groan at first and then we'll live with it. Hell, I didn't even like the name "Switch" when it was unveiled. I didn't think it rolled off the tongue at all. But now it's hard to imagine any other name for it.
when you cap power/performance, DLSS can save quite a bit of power
TechPoweredUp reviewed the A2000 and it's hella efficient. half the power of the 3050 for the same performance. I know they had to beat AMD, but damn, why do the rest of the cards have to be so crazy high
NVIDIA RTX A2000 Review - World’s Fastest ITX Card: Low-Profile and Slot-Powered
NVIDIA's RTX A2000 is the fastest graphics card that fits into a low-profile form factor. It's fast enough for 1080p Full HD Gaming at maximum details and achieves that with 75 W slot power only, which makes it even more energy-efficient than AMD's 6 and 7 nanometer RDNA2 graphics cards.
I can see something à la Apple, when they dropped the number and their new tablet became just "the ipad".
Nintendo would just name it according to the new feature, like 4k, and the power gap wouldn't be mentionned.
Everyone would quickly know either way that the switch 4k is more powerful than the regular switch.
Nintendo would just name it according to the new feature, like 4k, and the power gap wouldn't be mentionned.
Everyone would quickly know either way that the switch 4k is more powerful than the regular switch.
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Switch 4K could work and it matches the Nintendo's naming conventions for Switch models. However, I'd rather have something like Switch Ultra since that sounds less specific than 4K and still means Ultra HD. Names like Super and Ultra are still used today, so it's not just some cool thing back in the SNES days.
Eclissi
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Is Switch Oled a bad name when TV mode doesn't have an oled display (if the player has a led TV)?
Simba1
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Also there is already the PS4 Pro. It's the same reason I get confused when I see "they should just call it Switch 2" arguments, because Sony does that, and I really don't see Nintendo using nomenclature that Sony already uses on their systems.
I'm with @Skittzo, Nintendo is gonna name it something that's gonna make us groan at first and then we'll live with it. Hell, I didn't even like the name "Switch" when it was unveiled. I didn't think it rolled off the tongue at all. But now it's hard to imagine any other name for it.
What Sony is doing is great and very simple, without any confusion (PS, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5..),
having on mind that next Switch hardware will also be hybrid, most practical name would simple be Switch 2 (which screams next gen Switch console).
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Switch 4K doesn't immediately communicate a power upgrade to me. We in the know are aware that more powerful hardware is needed for 4K DLSS but not everyone does, and might assume it's the current hardware with some kind of upscaling bolted on.
I would assume Nintendo wants to make clear that this is a performance boost that people playing in handheld mode and/or without 4K displays would benefit from. I like "Switch Plus", "Switch Super", etc. (if not Switch 2).
<or use roman numerals, Switch II>
I would assume Nintendo wants to make clear that this is a performance boost that people playing in handheld mode and/or without 4K displays would benefit from. I like "Switch Plus", "Switch Super", etc. (if not Switch 2).
<or use roman numerals, Switch II>
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