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Typically when as many news sites come forward with reports like this, it's not wrong. And (I know no one's doing this yet, just covering bases) don't compare this to the stuff about Xbox over the past week, that wasn't a bunch of reports corroborating the same story. That was many different insiders all hearing different things that all fit the same narrative.* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
Everyone struggled with that. So many studios shut down during that genwhat you forgot Nintendo struggled when they went to SD to HD development(Wii to Wii U), why the same cant apply now
Because Switch Pro came out in 2021 and Xbox has killed its hardware division, good to know those reports weren't wrong.Typically when as many news sites come forward with reports like this, it's not wrong.
I may not go as far as to say they should exit hardware, but on the other hand I completely empathize with the frustration over the lack of updates to modernizing the OS and the online infrastructure.What a fucking joke. Nintendo has spent no fucking effort to modernize their OS and online and I figured it would have been because they were focused on making sure those things would be modernized and ready on an upcoming 2024 console.
If that isnt the case, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder.
EDIT: It also makes it much more pathetic that they are relying on a delayed Partner's Showcase for February if they aren't even about to announce new hardware soon.
If you humor this, T239 in Q1 2025 is older tech than TX1 in Q1 2017 right? Or about the same? I know that's an oversimplification, but does that enable them to spec and launch a device at a more compelling price point, like $349.99 12-13 months from now?
Also assuming 3D Mario is still the launch title, that's one hell of a gap since SMO, close to 90 months apart.
The T239 is older now than what The TX was during the Switch launch
That's actually something I also wanted to ask about when I came into this thread; at one point of delays would the T239 have to be scrapped just to get the next "mature" chip? Wouldn't it be 2025/2026?A 4 month delay doesn't suddenly age a product intended for a 7 year life cycle. It will not impact pricing (which, historically, Nintendo tries to not change over the course of a generation).
How "dated" hardware is depends on what comes after it's launch. T239 will still be the most advanced GPU design in a handheld if it launched in 2025, because right now, Nvidia's GPU designs are still light-years beyond their competitors. And the last three Nvidia micro-arches have all been pretty small refinements of the same design. Radical changes aren't happening in that space. In that sense, while the "on paper" date of T239's GPU design might be slightly over that of TX1's by launch time, it is closer to the state-of-the-art than TX1 was, which was still the most advanced (if not most powerful) console GPU on the market.
Will the next Nvidia GPU radically change up the core of their design? And if so, is that radical change successful? Does it lead to new programming models that the industry adopts? We can only guess, and guess even less about the generations after that. Will AMD catch up, or Intel disrupt the market? Who knows. These things will determine how rapidly T239 ages, not the ticking of the clock.
If software is having difficulty being prepared in time, is DLSS proving trickier than expected for devs to incorporate? I can only say with confidence any and all programming is above my skillset, but if DLSS is more complex than expected when Nintendo was already struggling with HD development in the Wii U era, then it could lead to more problems down the road.I genuinely think Nintendo, if "software isn't ready" is the reason, would be better off just releasing the thing and playing catch-up than delaying it outright, if in fact they don't already have a sufficient software buffer to make it through this year healthily.
(And I know there are theoretical releases for this year that could fill in the gaps, but those are theoretical. It's just as likely some of those releases are also waiting on the Switch 2 release, or weren't going to be ready this year anyway, or any number of other scenarios).
They'd be pretty brave to bank this hard on MP4. Metroid Prime is bigger than mainline 'Troid, I think, but Metroid as a series is still only a moderate seller.
This is an incredible GIF, and I will most certainly be stealing this for use elsewhere on this forum and in my other group chats.Me being away for the last two days:
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't believe R* any farther than I can throw them that GTAIV will come out in 2025. In development for over ten years, and all we got was a 90 teaser with some Tom Petty in the background? It's gonna get delayed to 2026 easy, and the only good to come out of that is that means a greater chance that it'll launch on Switch 2 day and date with Xbox/PS5GTA6 is not Q1, it might not even be Q2. Rockstar's earnings expectations moved the giant revenue bump they'd see from GTA6 to the 2nd half of the year.
Let's be real; Jester's Privilege or no, everytime Raccoon has had reason to mock Fami he's always been right.@Raccoon What do you have to say for yourself? Is your silence mocking us?
lmao at Emily Chamberlain meme
No end in sight
What?What's the point of that message? Vindication?
This is a general message but journalists really shouldn't be reporting on unsubstantial stuff. That VGC article was like "we can't corroborate with our own sources but some other random news outlet said Switch 2 is delayed!!!". Investigative journalism.
People keep saying Steam Deck is still niche but it has been getting quickly much more mainstream, especially so when people sick of waiting for a switch 2 are going to eventually look elsewhere than Nintendo for their next-gen handheld.The Steam Deck is still a niche product and we don't even know what the Microsoft Handheld will look like for sure. The 3DS' blunders were more self-inflicted than due to competition (lack of launch games being a major issue, something these reports seem to be highlighting as a reason for the delay).
They specifically said business conditions do not affect new generation plans, so I think they've already shot that down.lmao at Emily Chamberlain meme
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Wildcard theory:
• Nintendo doesn’t view Xbox’s Series S/X, nor Sony’s PlayStation as threats to its successor console sales, but rather, the very own Switch 1 family of systems. They’re waiting for the console to reach a “reasonable” decline in order to push already existing owners to upgrade.
This is a very wild take and completely random thought I had. They don’t have s Third Pillar approach anymore, so they’re being careful.
mainstream? You overestimate the steam deck. If it is so mainstream why has it sold so little?People keep saying Steam Deck is still niche but it has been getting quickly much more mainstream, especially so when people sick of waiting for a switch 2 are going to eventually look elsewhere than Nintendo for their next-gen handheld.
And It's safe to say that Microsoft will make sure to take a substantial initial loss on hardware so it's very likely it will have more RAM and internal storage than the Switch 2 while not being much more expensive.
Please think aloud
Yeah I was reflecting on the first 18 months of the Switch's life in light of this news and honestly ports really carried 2018 for the Switch so I wouldn't be surprised maybe if they're trying to tie things together a bit better in terms of original games this time around.Is this a consequence of not being able to rely on ports from the previous console to pad out the release schedule?
I've not been paying enough attention, why do we believe Shareholder Chad exactly? Has he provided actual evidence he knows something?The future isn‘t set in stone, especially if you think about these rumors contradicting both March reveal and Shareholder Chad‘s sources. Something is off.
If no movement occurs that would somewhat imply that investors have heard otherwise and are laughing at us.Anyway, I imagine (former)Shareholder Chad is happy he sold all his stock already lol may not be a pretty sight Monday morning.
thankyou thankyou thankyouAgain, T239 is a bespoke chip based on the four year old Ampere architecture of the RTX 30 series (which I don't think anyone would call obsolete) and with features backported from the 15 month old Ada architecture used in the RTX 40 series. The chip design being started in 2019/2020 does not literally mean the chip itself is that age, it does not exist in any product yet. Kits for the sibling SoC T234 weren't distributed until 2022 I believe. Orin is the most current Tegra line since Atlan was cancelled and Thor is yet to be released. When T239 is out a six month gap will not suddenly obsolete it. It is still a modern DirectX12 compliant chip with features like DLSS.
Stock has been pretty steady today. Started lower but that seems seperate from the newsIf no movement occurs that would somewhat imply that investors have heard otherwise and are laughing at us.
If they have a ton of games, maybe it's one specific game they are delaying for.As everyone has said, announcing the Switch 2 in March 2024 with a March 2025 release date doesn't make sense.
If Nintendo is worried about software, a lot of games are coming to the system, so there definitely won't be a lack of games.
It is interesting to me that this comes out now a mere few weeks/to a month before the reveal.
I understand VGC also heard stuff from multiple people, but something just seems strange. to me.
If that's what it is. It's a datapoint, whether it works into our favor or not.Is this a consequence of not being able to rely on ports from the previous console to pad out the release schedule?
You cut out this part of my reply:Because Switch Pro came out in 2021 and Xbox has killed its hardware division, good to know those reports weren't wrong.
And the Switch Pro report wasn't wrong. It existed and was cancelled. We know this from Nate and DF. Unless Nintendo can somehow undelay this thing, I don't see how so many sources can be wrong.And (I know no one's doing this yet, just covering bases) don't compare this to the stuff about Xbox over the past week, that wasn't a bunch of reports corroborating the same story. That was many different insiders all hearing different things that all fit the same narrative.
I wonder if the NVN2 info even applies at this point, to be honest. The T239 will be taped out three years ago by 2025, has a chip ever been sit upon for this long?Could a delay to March 2025 enable them to upgrade the RAM to LPDDR5T? It could be very benefitial to them and, maybe, at a low cost, since it seems based on LPDDR5X.
I've been hearing this for years about the Steam Deck. If it has, it wouldn't have only sold "multiple million" units (According to Valve) as of late 2023. It's great hardware, but right now it's still a niche product. Also, just because a handheld could be more powerful does not make it more appealing. We have decades of data showing this.People keep saying Steam Deck is still niche but it has been getting quickly much more mainstream, especially so when people sick of waiting for a switch 2 are going to eventually look elsewhere than Nintendo for their next-gen handheld.
And It's safe to say that Microsoft will make sure to take a substantial initial loss on hardware so it's very likely it will have more RAM and internal storage than the Switch 2 while not being much more expensive.
People keep saying Steam Deck is still niche but it has been getting quickly much more mainstream, especially so when people sick of waiting for a switch 2 are going to eventually look elsewhere than Nintendo for their next-gen handheld.
The same point where they decide not to release a system and we are stuck with Switch for another 5 yearsat one point of delays would the T239 have to be scrapped just to get the next "mature" chip? Wouldn't it be 2025/2026?
I wonder if Shareholder Chad is getting in contact with his fellow investors to gauge their beliefs on the delay to 2025, now that this info has been making the rounds in silence for a couple days.Stock has been pretty steady today. Started lower but that seems seperate from the news
they are in an eternal loop of development hardware and software (no plural). switch 2 is cancelled guys.what the hell has nintendo been doing these past 7 years? what happened to "we are always developing new hardware and software"? how are they not ready? it's honestly baffling if this delay rumor is true. what is going on in nintendo HQ...
It's the WURST againNintendo & Nvidia sure will upgrade something inside a T239 processor. Making it's more powerful & more efficient. So when launching in March 2025 it's only 1+ year old of technologies
Just spitballing, but if there is a delay for software reasons, then it may ironically result in delays in Switch 1 compatible titles.Fair enough. I've been under the assumption that they've just been sitting on a lot of games that I thought they would have probably released this year with or without the Switch 2's release. However, even if they are, if such a delay was made recently, they're clearly still figuring out how to fill in the gaps they made by delaying the console.
If it's software, I'd bet (wildly speculating here) that it's one or more medium sized titles. ARMS wasn't a huge hit, but it was a good game that was doing a lot of heavy lifting in terms of making the Switch launch look like more than Wii U ports and existing IPs. Imagine if ARMS had been missing from that launch year, or came out and was, instead of being a game that didn't click, was a game regarded as actively bad. Shit starts to look much more dire.I wonder what caused them to delay it; Nintendo obviously isn't above development shortcomings, though it's rare that things are done on such short notice.
They're going next gen for sure, AAA dare I say... Ask Sony and the other publishers how they're doing with release cadency these days.what the hell has nintendo been doing these past 7 years? what happened to "we are always developing new hardware and software"? how are they not ready? it's honestly baffling if this delay rumor is true. what is going on in nintendo HQ...
edit: i thought this weird nintendo delays would've been a thing of the past after they streamlined development studios and went hybrid-console-only...
If they have a ton of games, maybe it's one specific game they are delaying for.
Would they delay the whole console for 3D Mario?
NOW it's officially over.
He is AMD insider, im hope he dosent know or troll