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Adulfzen said:
Nintendo could keep being silent or just do a fairly lowkey "plans regarding next gen hardware is progressing smoothly" without going into specific details if any questions arise, would obviously raise some attention but it's also fairly likely as production of the next gen hardware is underway we'll hear more and more reputable sources talking about it and maybe leaked marketing details which then will closely be followed by an official reveal.

We're already hearing dealings regarding the LCD screens so it'll only get worse when the full product is made by the millions.
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Yeah though I also could imagine them being completely radio silent. Maybe answering a QA in this direction by saying something along the line "we always explore new technology" and that‘s it. It would be baffling though they could afford to do that. I believe they think they should say as little as possible until the real announcement. If it is in like May/June the earliest, they‘d see no reason to say anything "too early".
 
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Lucifer said:
They would have to separate their teams for 2 consoles again.

I'd call that pulling a WiiU.
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Not at all

Like I said, if they feel the value is there for the experience they want to deliver they will go for it.

7-8 years is a long time and Nintendo is a very unpredictable company.
 
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lexony said:
Yeah though I also could imagine them being completely radio silent. Maybe answering a QA in this direction by saying something along the line "we always explore new technology" and that‘s it. It would be baffling though they could afford to do that. I believe they think they should say as little as possible until the real announcement. If it isn‘t until like May/June the earliest, they‘d see no reason to say anything "too early".
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Sure it entirely depends when the first official reveal is slated which also somewhat aligns with when the product starts/is in full production.

I'm still hoping for a march reveal (meaning a trailer similar to the first original Switch one) then followed by a may/june presentation for a september release but it could go entirely different.

One thing i'm not buying is that they'll announce the console 3 months before release, it'll be at least 6 months imo.
 
Honestly, if MS really has their communication about their "effectively third party" change today/tomorrow, and some shareholders are informed enough to know, Nintendo might have to give a comment about ReDraketed just to ease potential fears.
 
Bonejack said:
Honestly, if MS really has their communication about their "effectively third party" change today/tomorrow, and some shareholders are informed enough to know, Nintendo might have to give a comment about ReDraketed just to ease potential fears.
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Fears for what? If anything, Nintendo will only be happy for more games from Xbox coming to NS2. And they don’t need to reconsider their strategy since they can release a Mario game, and it will quickly outsell something like Starfield
 
Not sure if this would work, but I put some "possible" specs for the next switch together and my thoughts about this.
BTW I hope it won't be like this:

New Switch basicNew Switch expert
SOCT239T239+X1
Ram12 GB16 GB (12+4)
Internal Memory (GB)256512
Screen8 inch LCDSame
Backward CompatibleOnly if Patches are made, then enhancement possible.Out of the Box, Games optional with enhanced Patches.
FeaturesStreaming capability to Twitch and other sites via X1.
Voice Chat on board.
Price379 (If Oled/current line gets price cut than maybe 359)459

The basic version could be sold cheaper and people, who already have the old switch or do not want/need backward compatibility have a cheaper Model to jump into the next Nintendo Hardware. (Maybe can later upgrade to a OLED expert Model down the line.)
In this scenario the development cost for a general backward compatibility would be saved.
Also Publisher can decide if they want to have their Games be forward compatible or if they want to charge extra here.

Expert version has practically build in another switch into the next one, which will used for backward compatibility and if games are played for the new hardware the x1 could be used for streaming to e.g. Twitch.

One Major problem I can see with this is the security of the x1 chip, that might compromise the whole system.
 
Bnois said:
Fears for what? If anything, Nintendo will only be happy for more games from Xbox coming to NS2. And they don’t need to reconsider their strategy since they can release a Mario game, and it will quickly outsell something like Starfield
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Remember when Nintendo had to talk extremely early about their back-then next-gen system "NX" after announcing plans to develop some games for mobile phones?

It's not about Nintendo's fears, but about questions they might definitely get asked by shareholders and/or media in the wake of the MS news.
Of course Nintendo itself won't really have to fear anything right now.
 
Historically, Nintendo has had its greatest success in the handheld space, not in the home console space. And I would say the portability of the Switch is its unique selling point, not its being a home console. The hybrid format is a lot better than the other two separately imo, so I doubt they will move on from it. Doing a home console only bring them back to their weaker market, while doing a portable only system seems unnecessary since it will be based on the same specs as a hybrid system would, and would remove a feature that has brought them success.
 
Splitting again between handheld and console is redundant and a step back. If they go the route of making exclusive games for each system, that requires a reestructuration of Nintendo EPD that is simply unsastainable. They can't afford to make games for two different Full HD/4K devices.

If they go for the alternative route, which is a shared ecosystem of OS and games, you salve that problem but create another one: the amount of consumers potentially interested in a Nintendo machine without the portability that runs the exact same games as the Switch but with more particle effects and resolution is minimal. I'd say that it wouldn't cross the 10 million barrier, even. The investment in R&D, maintenance and marketing is not worth it at that point.

What I can see in the (far) future is a hybrid device with innovative features or an alternative device like an VR headset.
 
This hasn't been shared yet has it?



Necro is saying (assuming the X translation is correct) that he's heard similar stuff about Xbox 1st party games going multiplat, except he's heard this regarding Nintendo.

This isn't necessarily all about Switch 2, at least some of it is Switch 1 according to other posts by Necro, but I would have to imagine much of it is Switch 2 related.

So with that in mind, how come it's pretty much only Necro leaking Switch 2 multiplats and pretty much no one else? When Far Cry 7 details leaked, the article didn't mention Switch 2 but Necro did. MH Wilds, only Necro has mentioned Switch 2. Now with the Xbox exclusives, the amount of game journalists saying they've heard of PS5 ports is remarkably high, but as far as i can tell, none have mentioned Switch 2? Switch 1 has been mentioned but no Switch 2 as far as I've seen.

Although there was the Atlus leaker who said Persona 3 and Metaphor are coming to Switch 2. But I guess my question is, if the big journalists are leaking so much, like Assassin's Creed Red details, Far Cry details, Star Wars Outlaws details, Indian Jones and Starfield ports, its surprising to me that no big journalist has leaked any Switch 2 port.

I'm not suggesting or implying anything here. I'm just opening this interesting point up for discussion. I may have missed stuff that people can correct me on, or catch me up on, and it would generally be interesting to hear people's interpretations of these points :)
 
The Competition said:
This hasn't been shared yet has it?



Necro is saying (assuming the X translation is correct) that he's heard similar stuff about Xbox 1st party games going multiplat, except he's heard this regarding Nintendo.

This isn't necessarily all about Switch 2, at least some of it is Switch 1 according to other posts by Necro, but I would have to imagine much of it is Switch 2 related.

So with that in mind, how come it's pretty much only Necro leaking Switch 2 multiplats and pretty much no one else? When Far Cry 7 details leaked, the article didn't mention Switch 2 but Necro did. MH Wilds, only Necro has mentioned Switch 2. Now with the Xbox exclusives, the amount of game journalists saying they've heard of PS5 ports is remarkably high, but as far as i can tell, none have mentioned Switch 2? Switch 1 has been mentioned but no Switch 2 as far as I've seen.

Although there was the Atlus leaker who said Persona 3 and Metaphor are coming to Switch 2. But I guess my question is, if the big journalists are leaking so much, like Assassin's Creed Red details, Far Cry details, Star Wars Outlaws details, Indian Jones and Starfield ports, its surprising to me that no big journalist has leaked any Switch 2 port.

I'm not suggesting or implying anything here. I'm just opening this interesting point up for discussion. I may have missed stuff that people can correct me on, or catch me up on, and it would generally be interesting to hear people's interpretations of these points :)
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Dunno, i don't see a problem with him tweeting this? Given the onslaught of articles by pretty much every outlet stating that MS wants to be fully multiplatform, they will basically handle things like Capcom "If it's possible, port it".

So yeah, it might not be day and date with the Xbox/PC, or even the PS version, but saying "Indy will be on Switch 2" is not some controversial thing. And definitely not the one thing to try to make an argument for or against someones credibility. ^^
 
The Competition said:
This hasn't been shared yet has it?



Necro is saying (assuming the X translation is correct) that he's heard similar stuff about Xbox 1st party games going multiplat, except he's heard this regarding Nintendo.

This isn't necessarily all about Switch 2, at least some of it is Switch 1 according to other posts by Necro, but I would have to imagine much of it is Switch 2 related.

So with that in mind, how come it's pretty much only Necro leaking Switch 2 multiplats and pretty much no one else? When Far Cry 7 details leaked, the article didn't mention Switch 2 but Necro did. MH Wilds, only Necro has mentioned Switch 2. Now with the Xbox exclusives, the amount of game journalists saying they've heard of PS5 ports is remarkably high, but as far as i can tell, none have mentioned Switch 2? Switch 1 has been mentioned but no Switch 2 as far as I've seen.

Although there was the Atlus leaker who said Persona 3 and Metaphor are coming to Switch 2. But I guess my question is, if the big journalists are leaking so much, like Assassin's Creed Red details, Far Cry details, Star Wars Outlaws details, Indian Jones and Starfield ports, its surprising to me that no big journalist has leaked any Switch 2 port.

I'm not suggesting or implying anything here. I'm just opening this interesting point up for discussion. I may have missed stuff that people can correct me on, or catch me up on, and it would generally be interesting to hear people's interpretations of these points :)
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My fear is that it's more a guess than a leak... But I hope I'm wrong.
 
The Competition said:
This hasn't been shared yet has it?



Necro is saying (assuming the X translation is correct) that he's heard similar stuff about Xbox 1st party games going multiplat, except he's heard this regarding Nintendo.

This isn't necessarily all about Switch 2, at least some of it is Switch 1 according to other posts by Necro, but I would have to imagine much of it is Switch 2 related.
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I can't imagine they will port Indy to Switch 1.
 
Bonejack said:
Dunno, i don't see a problem with him tweeting this? Given the onslaught of articles by pretty much every outlet stating that MS wants to be fully multiplatform, they will basically handle things like Capcom "If it's possible, port it".

So yeah, it might not be day and date with the Xbox/PC, or even the PS version, but saying "Indy will be on Switch 2" is not some controversial thing. And definitely not the one thing to try to make an argument for or against someones credibility. ^^
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I think you've missed my point. The main point of this isn't about Necro's credibility.

One may question it if they wish, and thats certainly fair and valid, but even if you fully believe Necro, there's still a big question of why is no big journalist leaking a single Switch 2 multiplat 🤔

Forget Necro, that question on it's own is interesting.

One may say "it's because the secrecy is super high around Switch 2".

To which one could reply "but journalists are leaking so much sensitive stuff about multiplats so that's not stopping anyone".

But then that raises the point that "more people within the relevant teams know the stuff thats getting leaked compared to the small number that know about Switch 2"

But that raises the question "but then how does Necro know this stuff if it's that top secret?"

At that point yeah, you could question Necros credibility, nothing wrong with that, but maybe people have other possible explanations or theories to explain this discrepancy.
 
The Competition said:
This hasn't been shared yet has it?



Necro is saying (assuming the X translation is correct) that he's heard similar stuff about Xbox 1st party games going multiplat, except he's heard this regarding Nintendo.

This isn't necessarily all about Switch 2, at least some of it is Switch 1 according to other posts by Necro, but I would have to imagine much of it is Switch 2 related.

So with that in mind, how come it's pretty much only Necro leaking Switch 2 multiplats and pretty much no one else? When Far Cry 7 details leaked, the article didn't mention Switch 2 but Necro did. MH Wilds, only Necro has mentioned Switch 2. Now with the Xbox exclusives, the amount of game journalists saying they've heard of PS5 ports is remarkably high, but as far as i can tell, none have mentioned Switch 2? Switch 1 has been mentioned but no Switch 2 as far as I've seen.

Although there was the Atlus leaker who said Persona 3 and Metaphor are coming to Switch 2. But I guess my question is, if the big journalists are leaking so much, like Assassin's Creed Red details, Far Cry details, Star Wars Outlaws details, Indian Jones and Starfield ports, its surprising to me that no big journalist has leaked any Switch 2 port.

I'm not suggesting or implying anything here. I'm just opening this interesting point up for discussion. I may have missed stuff that people can correct me on, or catch me up on, and it would generally be interesting to hear people's interpretations of these points :)
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Xitter's translation seems accurate. FWIW, here's a translation from a native speaker:

"From my own sources, I heard similar info, though involving Nintendo:

Multiple games of Microsoft Gaming / Bethesda / Activision Blizzard should arrive soon on Nintendo console(s), in addition to the Playstation versions.

I'll soon publish it on Universo Nintendo".

And regarding your point, maybe it's a situation where Switch 2 versions are not going to be there Day 1 (understandably so), thus they can't report on it now? Or maybe aren't willing to burn bridges by risking potential for backtracing sources to the "few select" who are working on Switch 2 stuff.
 
Just listed to the recent Digital Foundry Weekly (Releasing later today for everyone) and I‘ve to say it‘s really interesting to see how compared to last time that even they are mostly in the dark and don‘t know much more than what is out there in the public.

To be fair, they had their big Eurogamer/Digital Foundry Rumor thing only a few months before the announcement of the Switch, so maybe it is just too early for this type of leak.

I believe that the next hardware will release this year, but the lack of more concrete leaks really is a bit strange.
 
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It's really weird how we haven't had anything too juicy since gamescom. Makes you wonder how far out this announcement is. March is feeling less likely.
 
The Competition said:
I think you've missed my point. The main point of this isn't about Necro's credibility.

One may question it if they wish, and thats certainly fair and valid, but even if you fully believe Necro, there's still a big question of why is no big journalist leaking a single Switch 2 multiplat 🤔

Forget Necro, that question on it's own is interesting.

One may say "it's because the secrecy is super high around Switch 2".

To which one could reply "but journalists are leaking so much sensitive stuff about multiplats so that's not stopping anyone".

But then that raises the point that "more people within the relevant teams know the stuff thats getting leaked compared to the small number that know about Switch 2"

But that raises the question "but then how does Necro know this stuff if it's that top secret?"

At that point yeah, you could question Necros credibility, nothing wrong with that, but maybe people have other possible explanations or theories to explain this discrepancy.
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Nintendo is in juggernaut mode with the Switch 2 theme. Journalists don't want to take too many risks.
 
Well if it's about reporting, i'd think everyone in the media saw how Nintendo kinda clowned Mochizuki during the whole Switch Pro situation and decided it's not worth the hassle.

Also, a lot of info came from the nVidia hack, so they might just not be willing to report on stolen info.
 
Lucky me, JST is one hour off from AEST. I'm expecting them to be completely silent about the next hardware though apart from the usual vague "we are progressing blah blah"
 
Bonejack said:
Isn't that a common situation for us europeans?
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Pretty much, just that some of us will either be "Sleeping through the chaos" or "Living through the chaos"
For me, I'll be hardly on my first coffee ready to go to University lectures while witnessing a moderate-sized shitstorm. Not too crazy, but something.
 
Tircros said:
Not sure if this would work, but I put some "possible" specs for the next switch together and my thoughts about this.
BTW I hope it won't be like this:

New Switch basicNew Switch expert
SOCT239T239+X1
Ram12 GB16 GB (12+4)
Internal Memory (GB)256512
Screen8 inch LCDSame
Backward CompatibleOnly if Patches are made, then enhancement possible.Out of the Box, Games optional with enhanced Patches.
FeaturesStreaming capability to Twitch and other sites via X1.
Voice Chat on board.
Price379 (If Oled/current line gets price cut than maybe 359)459

The basic version could be sold cheaper and people, who already have the old switch or do not want/need backward compatibility have a cheaper Model to jump into the next Nintendo Hardware. (Maybe can later upgrade to a OLED expert Model down the line.)
In this scenario the development cost for a general backward compatibility would be saved.
Also Publisher can decide if they want to have their Games be forward compatible or if they want to charge extra here.

Expert version has practically build in another switch into the next one, which will used for backward compatibility and if games are played for the new hardware the x1 could be used for streaming to e.g. Twitch.

One Major problem I can see with this is the security of the x1 chip, that might compromise the whole system.
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I can't believe they would do this. There's no need to include the Switch 1 SoC if the Switch 2 SoC has back compat baked in (similarly, see how Xbox Series S/X SoC was designed to be capable of running Xbox One software natively) and there has been various discussion in this thread as to how that can be done. Having to physically add the old X1 chip to Switch 2 would massively add to cost and engineering complexity
 
The Financial results briefing / corporate management policy briefing (the powerpoint slides for the actual investor's meeting I believe) was released at ~10:40 AM JST the day after for the November earnings release (or at least that is the earliest instance I can find of it).
https://famiboards.com/threads/nint...-7th-news-information-thread.8002/post-892743

So I would expect that those slides would release this time on February 7th at ~10:40 AM JST (Feb 6 @ ~8:40 PM EST). I think this is typically (?) where the more interesting news is
 
monkeygotyou said:
The Financial results briefing / corporate management policy briefing (the powerpoint slides for the actual investor's meeting I believe) was released at ~10:40 AM JST the day after for the November earnings release (or at least that is the earliest instance I can find of it).
https://famiboards.com/threads/nint...-7th-news-information-thread.8002/post-892743

So I would expect that those slides would release this time on February 7th at ~10:40 AM JST (Feb 6 @ ~8:40 PM EST). I think this is typically (?) where the more interesting news is
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Yeah, the earnings release is just the numbers. If you are looking for comments and future outlooks, the presentation slides probably have more to offer.

And the investor Q&A happens sometime after that.
 
I love the Investor Q&A.
"What are you doing to help the victims of the recent Noto earthquake?"
"When are you making a new WiiFit game to help with the rising obesity in Japan?"
"My grandson told me to invest in this company but all you do is talk about video games."
 
carbvan said:
Well it looks like the Metro one is true, Avatar has min requirements on Epic Games as a 1070, and min requirements for Star Wars hasnt been released (though i kept seeing 1060 as minimum on some PC benchmark websites for some reason). Min requirements for Talos Principal 2 and Immortals aren't RTX cards either. I'll take your word on UE5 requiring the feature in the future, but until we see that, we got 4/5 games right here that work without RTX, and Metro is an updated port itself. If Sony wanted to, I'm sure they could get it done without RTX.
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To be fair, Metro Exodus DOES have a version that does not have RTX on it, so it's slightly misleading to say Metro Exodus is a RTX only title. Yes, there is the Enhanced Edition, which is RTX exclusive, but the game itself is not RTX-only. It is still playable without an RTX GPU.

So I think there isn't a game out there that is RTX-only at this point regardless of version?
 
Shoulder said:
To be fair, Metro Exodus DOES have a version that does not have RTX on it, so it's slightly misleading to say Metro Exodus is a RTX only title. Yes, there is the Enhanced Edition, which is RTX exclusive, but the game itself is not RTX-only. It is still playable without an RTX GPU.

So I think there isn't a game out there that is RTX-only at this point regardless of version?
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4A is also moving to an exclusively ray traced pipeline. their VR game should also be ray traced

most devs have created a compute fallback for hardware without RT acceleration, but most of the time it does run slower.

also, rtx is an nvidia name brand. only bringing this up because it'll confuse people
 
ILikeFeet said:
4A is also moving to an exclusively ray traced pipeline. their VR game should also be ray traced

most devs have created a compute fallback for hardware without RT acceleration, but most of the time it does run slower.

also, rtx is an nvidia name brand. only bringing this up because it'll confuse people
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Yup. I'm aware the moniker "RTX" is Nvidia based, but I tend to use Ray-Tracing, and RTX interchangeably, similar if I need a Kleenex when generically, I need a tissue.

I refer it as Soda, but others just say Coke, even when it really isn't coke they're referring to.

Branding. It's SUPER EFFECTIVE!
 
Shoulder said:
Yup. I'm aware the moniker "RTX" is Nvidia based, but I tend to use Ray-Tracing, and RTX interchangeably, similar if I need a Kleenex when generically, I need a tissue.

I refer it as Soda, but others just say Coke, even when it really isn't coke they're referring to.

Branding. It's SUPER EFFECTIVE!
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Tircros said:
Not sure if this would work, but I put some "possible" specs for the next switch together and my thoughts about this.
BTW I hope it won't be like this:

New Switch basicNew Switch expert
SOCT239T239+X1
Ram12 GB16 GB (12+4)
Internal Memory (GB)256512
Screen8 inch LCDSame
Backward CompatibleOnly if Patches are made, then enhancement possible.Out of the Box, Games optional with enhanced Patches.
FeaturesStreaming capability to Twitch and other sites via X1.
Voice Chat on board.
Price379 (If Oled/current line gets price cut than maybe 359)459

The basic version could be sold cheaper and people, who already have the old switch or do not want/need backward compatibility have a cheaper Model to jump into the next Nintendo Hardware. (Maybe can later upgrade to a OLED expert Model down the line.)
In this scenario the development cost for a general backward compatibility would be saved.
Also Publisher can decide if they want to have their Games be forward compatible or if they want to charge extra here.

Expert version has practically build in another switch into the next one, which will used for backward compatibility and if games are played for the new hardware the x1 could be used for streaming to e.g. Twitch.

One Major problem I can see with this is the security of the x1 chip, that might compromise the whole system.
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Having different RAM profiles would be completely out of the question. It would be a radical change in what would be possible to run on each system. We've already seen how the different Xbox Series profiles have lead to development troubles. They'll pack it with either 12 or 16 GB for the rest of the system's life.
 
redmutineer75 said:
Having different RAM profiles would be completely out of the question. It would be a radical change in what would be possible to run on each system. We've already seen how the different Xbox Series profiles have lead to development troubles. They'll pack it with either 12 or 16 GB for the rest of the generation.
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I agree. The only way they would increase is with a Pro (enhanced versions of existing games) or a New upgrade (which‘d mostly use it for qol-changes). And a Pro is unlikely anyway.
 
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