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On topic, finally some news to break the less important discussions.
 
Skittzo said:
FYI if I'm understanding all this stuff correctly shipments of devkits showing up here does not necessarily mean they're being shipped to development partners. A lot of these shipments appear to be from one branch of Nvidia to another.
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All of these listings are shipments between Nvidia's offices, all either coming from or going to NVIDIA Graphics Private Limited in India, so that appears to be the common denominator.

The dates are useful for proving that such hardware at least existed physically at that point in time. Why it was being shipped around within Nvidia, or who else it may have been shipped to that didn't get recorded by these trackers, we don't know.
 
From researchsnipers 1 year ago
As for the T239’s codename, here’s the leaker speaking Kopite7kimi from the fact that the designation “Black Knight” is the “code name of the code name”. We recently encountered the term “Carpa X1” in relevant sources. This is apparently a hardware-based developer platform from Nvidia, which is already using the T239 SoC to take the first steps towards software development for the new chip.
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Skittzo said:
FYI if I'm understanding all this stuff correctly shipments of devkits showing up here does not necessarily mean they're being shipped to development partners. A lot of these shipments appear to be from one branch of Nvidia to another.
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You might want to check my post above.

Edit: I mean, you could be right and these aren't being shipped to development partners, but the relevancy of these devkits partaining to Nintendo's next system and not just some other Nvidia product is still on the high side.
 
oldpuck said:
Sorry, I was free associating and didn't show my work.

ARPA and CARPA (const ARPA) are AI language models. Nvidia Riva works with them pretty extensively. Not my domain at all, but it was just the first association my brain made between CARPA and Nvidia.

It's more likely that CARPA is a totally unrelated code name - like CAR in reference to it being descended from the automobile hardware - but my brain immediately tripped over that association
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Do you know is there any significance to it also being an X1 designation, or is that just for anything in the T000 line? Sorry if it's a stupid question
 
Hermii said:
  • CARPA X1 shipments are listed between July 28, 2022 and May 30, 2023
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We first heard the reports of select third party partners getting dev kits at the beginning of July, so I am going to assume that actually started distributing them sometime in June. This timeline makes sense. Just because T239 was finalized does not mean dev kits would be ready, but in order for Nvidia to begin final software development tools they would need finalized silicon. From July 2022 until June 2023 Nvidia would be working on final development hardware. I say "final", but the software itself will likely continue to see updates, but that is something that can be distributed digitally and would not require a new dev kit to be sent out to the developer.
 
AI being the new Switch’s gimmick like I predicted is coming true me thinks. Nintendo‘s ChatGPT will be here.
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A.I should be the new gimmick. It is exploding right now. DLSS is A.I. We know that’s part of the new Switch. The marketing should lean into that.

They could also implement ChatGPT or similar Large Language Model (custom self-built or 3rd party) on an OS level for the new Switch. Or even build a game around it.
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Here's a summary of what I posted about the shipment listings across a few pages.

0: The original post, linking to a tweet from an unreliable Korean rumormonger that was screenshotting a publicly available website with a shipping/customs record related to T239, but providing no context for its apparent claim about T239 using 8nm.

1: Breaking down what the various terms mean in the T239 "test board" description I found while searching, and how it has nothing to do with the foundry/process node.

2: Responding to the screenshot of the "T239 SW development platform CARPA X1" description that was in the original tweet, which also has nothing to do with the foundry/process node, but is potentially interesting. I mentioned that someone else had already found this particular listing in September 2022, probably spurred by everybody discussing the Linux commits and the CPU cores.

3: Comparing to another listing for an RTX 4080 test board sent to the same company, confirming a 128-bit memory bus for T239 and also showing that test boards were being sent for some products even after they were publicly released. Clarifying why the original tweet probably wasn't supposed to be about about the process node anyway.

4: Identifying that all the shipments were between different branches of Nvidia, with all of them either coming from or going to their office in India. Showing that the dates for the "test boards" went from April 2022 to November 2022, and the dates for the "software development platform" went from July 2022 to May 2023, which matches up with the timeline we already inferred for physical production of T239 in 2022.

5: Clarifying how the part number for the "test board" is related to ones used for T234/Orin during its development.

6: Attempting to recap things because the discussion was already fragmented.

7: Explaining what a DDK (device driver kit) is as my guess for the "software development platform" shipments. Clarifying that Carpa is not the known codename of Nintendo's hardware or its motherboard.

8: Identifying devkit-related listings from during the Switch 1's development, and comparing to the T239 "software development platform" listing, suggesting that the latter could be shipments of devkits for Nintendo's new hardware.

9: I should probably make a hub post.

10: Yup.

11: You are here.
 
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GigaUltraMoon said:
Do you know is there any significance to it also being an X1 designation, or is that just for anything in the T000 line? Sorry if it's a stupid question
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As LiC mentioned, X1 seems to be a version numbering scheme inside Nvidia, and it's otherwise coincidence
 
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LiC said:
Here's a summary of what I posted about the shipment listings across a few pages.

0: The original post, linking to a tweet from an unreliable Korean rumormonger that was screenshotting a publicly available website with a shipping/customs record related to T239, but providing no context for its apparent claim about T239 using 8nm.

1: Breaking down what the various terms mean in the T239 "test board" description I found while searching, and how it has nothing to do with the foundry/process node.

2: Responding to the screenshot of the "T239 SW development platform CARPA X1" description that was in the original tweet, which also has nothing to do with the foundry/process node, but is potentially interesting. I mentioned that someone else had already found this particular listing in September 2022, probably spurred by everybody discussing the Linux commits and the CPU cores.

3: Comparing to another listing for an RTX 4080 test board sent to the same company, confirming a 128-bit memory bus for T239 and also showing that test boards were being sent for some products even after they were publicly released. Clarifying why the original tweet probably wasn't supposed to be about about the process node anyway.

4: Identifying that all the shipments were between different branches of Nvidia, with all of them either coming from or going to their office in India. Showing that the dates for the "test boards" went from April 2022 to November 2022, and the dates for the "software development platform" went from July 2022 to May 2023, which matches up with the timeline we already inferred for physical production of T239 in 2022.

6: Clarifying how the part number for the test board is related to ones used for T234/Orin during its development.

7: Attempting to recap things because the discussion was already fragmented.

8: Explaining what a DDK (device driver kit) is as my guess for the "software development platform" shipments. Clarifying that Carpa is not the known codename of Nintendo's hardware or its motherboard.

9: Identifying devkit-related listings from during the Switch 1's development, and comparing to the T239 "software development platform" listing, suggesting that the latter could be shipments of devkits for Nintendo's new hardware.

10: I should probably make a hub post.

11: Yup.

12: You are here.
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Instructions unclear, I managed to get lost under 200 meters below the ice of Antarctica…

send help

All this ice and nothing to climb 🧗‍♀️
 
Meelow said:
Mario Kart however doesn't need to be open world, I do think it's time though that it gets a Diddy Kong Racing/Crash Team Racing style storymode though...
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I played a little of the last Forza. That seemed like a good style. Multiplayer Kart Racing where you run around a bunch of landscape and find a bunch of random courses and join a bunch of random races.

It wouldn't be Mario Kart 9, X, or Ultimate though. Mario Kart World?
 
GigaUltraMoon said:
Just gonna say it, so many types of linear game for the most part are bloody woeful and are relics from the time movement on screen could only cover from left to right and up or down, which is why they seem to be more popular with elderly gamers (born ~1985 or earlier)

Nintendo's open-world Zelda formula is something that should keep being built up on whether it's true open-world or just open-zone to the point you may as well have been sucked into the screen because they've tapped into something genuinely special
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People in their late 30s or early 40s are ‘elderly’ now? Wow.
 
oldpuck said:
As LiC mentioned, X1 seems to be a version numbering scheme inside Nvidia, and it's otherwise coincidence
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Someone suggested to me that it might actually be Nintendo's versioning scheme rather than Nvidia's. The examples I pointed out were all Nintendo boards for Switch 1 (albeit co-developed with Nvidia), and I believe there are other historical examples like CTR-MOTHER-X0/X1 and CTR-TEG2-PMIC-X2 for 3DS. So that could be another point in favor of Carpa being Nintendo's property.
 
LiC said:
A few more things about the shipping info. These websites want you to pay to access the data, but some more information can be searched up for free, and some redactions can be circumvented.

Most if not all of these T239 listings are being exported by NVIDIA Corporation and imported by NVIDIA Graphics Private Limited, which is Nvidia's branch in India. It's presumably due to customs requirements for India or just SOP for this specific company that these show up so consistently, while other kinds of Nvidia- or Nintendo-relevant shipping that one could imagine don't seem to.

If the dates are to be believed, Nvidia is frequently shipping them all kinds of stuff, including retail and test boards for products both before and after public release. For that reason, I don't think the dates are super meaningful, as seeing a test board or prototype in one of these listings demonstrably doesn't mean that product is currently still in development. But, just to document the relevant ones:
  • 699-12423-1099-TS1 shipments are listed between April 27, 2022 and August 20, 2022
  • 699-12423-1099-TS2 shipment is listed on September 19, 2022
  • 699-12423-1099-TS3 shipments are listed on October 31, 2022 and November 10, 2022
  • CARPA X1 shipments are listed between July 28, 2022 and May 30, 2023
These dates match up well with the implied timeline of T239 sampling (or otherwise physically existing) around April 2022, per the interpretation of some Linux commits by oldpuck and others, and being finalized sometime that year.

By the way, Carpa X1 has nothing to do with Tegra X1. Carpa is presumably a codename, but X1 is a common type of revision number which we know Nvidia uses (such as on the SDEV-CPU-X0 prototype board posted in this thread before; more Switch-related examples here).

So, what is Carpa? Based on the description of "T239 SW DEVELOPMENT PLATFORM CARPA X1," I speculated it could be another dev board with a DDK included. Well, the HSN code for the E2423 boards classifies them as basically just an electronic device in the "other" subcategory, but the code for Carpa puts it in the "video game consoles and machines" category. It would be tempting to assume this is related to Nintendo devkits, but Nvidia probably wouldn't primarily refer to those as a "T239 software development platform." I think it's possible it is another test board and/or DDK, and the HSN code is either just a bucket it got lumped into, or this could be for an actual Nvidia product such as a Shield TV. But even then, I feel like it would have a more identifiable codename and not mention T239 specifically in that case. So I'm not sure about this one.

One other difference to note is that the E2423 boards have China or the United States as their country of origin, while the Carpa shipments have Japan (all have India as the destination). The listings from China appear to be from NVIDIA Singapore Pte Limited, which is evidently in Hong Kong, not Singapore. The United States and Japan COO listings are supposedly both exported by NVIDIA Corporation.
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Just wanted to clarify, you say:
  • CARPA X1 shipments are listed between July 28, 2022 and May 30, 2023
But as far as I can find, those are the only dates of the shipments (if these free websites are giving accurate and complete records that is). Of course my assumption could be wrong.

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纽佰德数据系统三天更新一次，包含美国海关数据、印度海关进出口数据、俄罗斯海关数据在内的总共超过60个数据源。数据分为关单数据，提单数据、航运数据、一带一路国家贸易数据与欧亚大陆运输数据。
www.nbd.ltd www.nbd.ltd

You can also search for T239 on the same site, and within the 10 results (which I assume are the 10 most recent entries) you get 2 that are Carpa X1 and the rest are unrelated, except one (maybe/probably). I don't know what if anything can be inferred from this, but I just thought I would throw it out there.

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And then here are the (again, assuming) most recent listings on that site as of July 31st for Nvidia Corporation: https://www.nbd.ltd/trader/info/NBDD3Y526544502
But it's just Jetson, Orin related stuff.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
If 10 years is retro, we're retro retro retro retro.
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The Wii U, PS4, and Xbox One, can, in traditional terms, be considered retro. Though after the leap between the 5th and 6th generations, the term "retro" becomes harder to reconcile as the years go on with diminishing returns in graphics.
 
Hosermess said:
Just wanted to clarify, you say:
  • CARPA X1 shipments are listed between July 28, 2022 and May 30, 2023
But as far as I can find, those are the only dates of the shipments (if these free websites are giving accurate and complete records that is). Of course my assumption could be wrong.

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海关数据_航运数据_提单数据_关单数据_纽佰德数据

纽佰德数据系统三天更新一次，包含美国海关数据、印度海关进出口数据、俄罗斯海关数据在内的总共超过60个数据源。数据分为关单数据，提单数据、航运数据、一带一路国家贸易数据与欧亚大陆运输数据。
www.nbd.ltd www.nbd.ltd

You can also search for T239 on the same site, and within the 10 results (which I assume are the 10 most recent entries) you get 2 that are Carpa X1 and the rest are unrelated, except one (maybe/probably). I don't know what you can infer from this, but I just thought I would throw it out there.

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And then here are the (again, assuming) most recent listings on that site as of July 31st for Nvidia Corporation: https://www.nbd.ltd/trader/info/NBDD3Y526544502
But it's just Jetson, Orin related stuff.
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Sure, to be more precise I could have said there were 3 listings in July 2022 and 3 in May 2023. Those are still shipments "between" the dates I said, though.

Because of the 10 result limit, you have to use more specific queries. If you search for 699-12423-1099-TS1, then TS2 and TS3 separately, you can see the full date range I described for the E2423 test boards. You can also use the importer and exporter filters to determine who the shipping parties really are, even though they're redacted when the results are returned.

I also cross-referenced a lot with the other site that the first listing was found on, which has similar limitations without paying for the info, but between the two of them you can determine more about the listings.

There's a lot of junk and unrelated things that will come up on these sites, especially when using short and non-unique strings like "T239." So anyone searching should bear that in mind. And at the same time the results clearly only represent a fraction of what these companies are actually shipping, hence why I keep calling out the common denominator of the India office for NVIDIA Graphics Private Limited.
 
SiG said:
Where is this information coming from? Did I miss something?

Where does "T239 SW DEVELOPMENT PLATFORM CARPA X1" appear?
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Start with this post that begin the recent discussion. "Connor" (unreliable) posted a screenshot in a tweet. I searched for parts of text in the screenshot, leading to a shady shipment aggregator website where "Connor" got the screenshot from. So LiC was trying various things with the search on that website.

Unfortunately much of the content here past that posting is littered with future software speculation (off topic here) but pause on any posts/replies by LiC as you work through the replies from that point forward.

Edit: Strike that, this hub/summary by LiC is much better place to start.
 
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LiC said:
Sure, to be more precise I could have said there were 3 listings in July 2022 and 3 in May 2023. Those are still shipments "between" the dates I said, though.

Because of the 10 result limit, you have to use more specific queries. If you search for 699-12423-1099-TS1, then TS2 and TS3 separately, you can see the full date range I described for the E2423 test boards. You can also use the importer and exporter filters to determine who the shipping parties really are, even though they're redacted when the results are returned.

I also cross-referenced a lot with the other site that the first listing was found on, which has similar limitations without paying for the info, but between the two of them you can determine more about the listings.

There's a lot of junk and unrelated things that will come up on these sites, especially when using short and non-unique strings like "T239." So anyone searching should bear that in mind. And at the same time the results clearly only represent a fraction of what these companies are actually shipping, hence why I keep calling out the common denominator of the India office for NVIDIA Graphics Private Limited.
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True. But I wonder that even though there are 6 records, there were only 2 actual shipments. There's typically an excessive amount of paperwork for this stuff and having multiple/duplicate listings for the same shipment would not surprise me. And the fact that the first listing for both is two days prior to the others has me suspecting that could be the case. Not that it really matters at all. I don't really know why I'm nitpicking lol sorry. Carry on.
 
oldpuck said:
Please take these conversations elsewhere. I get that sometimes we go off-topic and I'm cool with that, but I missed actual hardware news which was covered in multiple posts, because of a multi-day conversation about Smash's roster, and a second thread about open world games.

Talking about how Nintendo might utilize this hardware in the future, totally valid, but at the point at which the software conversation is unrelated to the hardware underneath, is dominating the conversation, and is making the actual thread hard to follow it has gone overboard.

I'm not mad, I'm not calling anyone out specifically. Just quoting the people who recently posted. You're all great - in fact, that's part of the problem. I don't want to ignore any of you, but it's making the thread unfollowable.
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Amen.
 
LiC said:
Here's a summary of what I posted about the shipment listings across a few pages.

0: The original post, linking to a tweet from an unreliable Korean rumormonger that was screenshotting a publicly available website with a shipping/customs record related to T239, but providing no context for its apparent claim about T239 using 8nm.

1: Breaking down what the various terms mean in the T239 "test board" description I found while searching, and how it has nothing to do with the foundry/process node.

2: Responding to the screenshot of the "T239 SW development platform CARPA X1" description that was in the original tweet, which also has nothing to do with the foundry/process node, but is potentially interesting. I mentioned that someone else had already found this particular listing in September 2022, probably spurred by everybody discussing the Linux commits and the CPU cores.

3: Comparing to another listing for an RTX 4080 test board sent to the same company, confirming a 128-bit memory bus for T239 and also showing that test boards were being sent for some products even after they were publicly released. Clarifying why the original tweet probably wasn't supposed to be about about the process node anyway.

4: Identifying that all the shipments were between different branches of Nvidia, with all of them either coming from or going to their office in India. Showing that the dates for the "test boards" went from April 2022 to November 2022, and the dates for the "software development platform" went from July 2022 to May 2023, which matches up with the timeline we already inferred for physical production of T239 in 2022.

5: Clarifying how the part number for the "test board" is related to ones used for T234/Orin during its development.

6: Attempting to recap things because the discussion was already fragmented.

7: Explaining what a DDK (device driver kit) is as my guess for the "software development platform" shipments. Clarifying that Carpa is not the known codename of Nintendo's hardware or its motherboard.

8: Identifying devkit-related listings from during the Switch 1's development, and comparing to the T239 "software development platform" listing, suggesting that the latter could be shipments of devkits for Nintendo's new hardware.

9: I should probably make a hub post.

10: Yup.

11: You are here.
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Good post to use bookmark feature for.
 
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Hosermess said:
True. But I wonder that even though there are 6 records, there were only 2 actual shipments. There's typically an excessive amount of paperwork for this stuff and having multiple/duplicate listings for the same shipment would not surprise me. And the fact that the first listing for both is two days prior to the others has me suspecting that could be the case. Not that it really matters at all. I don't really know why I'm nitpicking lol sorry. Carry on.
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Sure, it's possible there were anywhere between 2 and 6 shipments. Given the nature of the data, I would not put a lot of stock in any specific patterns or details, just the broad strokes. And on that note, the dates are mostly important to know how early some hardware may have physically existed, which is at least July 2022 for Carpa.
 
oldpuck said:
Please take these conversations elsewhere. I get that sometimes we go off-topic and I'm cool with that, but I missed actual hardware news which was covered in multiple posts, because of a multi-day conversation about Smash's roster, and a second thread about open world games.

Talking about how Nintendo might utilize this hardware in the future, totally valid, but at the point at which the software conversation is unrelated to the hardware underneath, is dominating the conversation, and is making the actual thread hard to follow it has gone overboard.

I'm not mad, I'm not calling anyone out specifically. Just quoting the people who recently posted. You're all great - in fact, that's part of the problem. I don't want to ignore any of you, but it's making the thread unfollowable.
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Sorry for leapfrogging off your post, @oldpuck, but I want to reinforce what you’re saying. I’m mostly a lurker but I concur that this thread has gotten extremely difficult to follow over the last couple weeks. It used to be a reliable place to see high quality technology discussion, but not so much anymore. And when you, one of the most informed and knowledgeable contributors to the thread, think there’s an issue, others need to take note and consider how they’re using this thread.

The off-topic discussions are one thing, but the issues are also caused by a posters who do not bother to keep up with the discussion who then circle back to things that have already been discussed or debunked.

I’m not suggesting every poster has to read every word of every post, but there shouldn’t be 5 new pages of discussion over a few hours because someone shared an already debunked or discussed claim.

If things are quiet, we can let them be quiet. You don’t have to share random clickbait YouTube videos just because no one else has. You don’t have to start tagging Nate just because he hasn’t posted in a while. And you don’t have to drum up off-topic conversations to keep people engaged in the thread.

OK, thanks for coming to my TED Talk. I’ll go back to lurking now.
 
ceejay said:
The off-topic discussions are one thing, but the issues are also caused by a posters who do not bother to keep up with the discussion who then circle back to things that have already been discussed or debunked.

If things are quiet, we can let them be quiet. You don’t have to share random clickbait YouTube videos just because no one else has. You don’t have to start tagging Nate just because he hasn’t posted in a while. And you don’t have to drum up off-topic conversations to keep people engaged in the thread.
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I agree with you 100%. It drives me up a wall to see people coming in here every few pages and asking the rest of us to summarize what's been going on because they can't be arsed to catch themselves up. That, plus the number of circular conversations spurred by people posting the same news repeatedly (again, because they can't be bothered to keep up), has really made this thread kind of a chore.

And I say this as someone who rarely contributes anything meaningful.
 
There is barely any threshold what stupid rumor is being floated here. And since too many people respond, this isn't even remedied by ignoring those certain individuals. This thread is Famiboard's containment zone for anything that alleviates boredom as long as actual news, i.e. Nintendo announcing stuff, is in short supply.
 
Carpa is a fish in my language. Now I can't help but associate Switch 2 with a fish
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More than that: here, Magikarp is Magicarpa. Perhaps that will be the name used for the switch 2 pro
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LiC said:
Sure, it's possible there were anywhere between 2 and 6 shipments. Given the nature of the data, I would not put a lot of stock in any specific patterns or details, just the broad strokes. And on that note, the dates are mostly important to know how early some hardware may have physically existed, which is at least July 2022 for Carpa.
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Would the CARPA device have been going to India for testing? Or would Nvidia India do some other sort of devkit assembly pre-Foxconn taking over as a part of regular manufacturing?
 
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honestly I don't understand 75% of the technical stuff here, I'm mostly here for the news and leaks, but yeah people should stop posting clickbait youtubers obvious fake leaks and stuff.
 
Enton said:
There is barely any threshold what stupid rumor is being floated here. And since too many people respond, this isn't even remedied by ignoring those certain individuals. This thread is Famiboard's containment zone for anything that alleviates boredom as long as actual news, i.e. Nintendo announcing stuff, is in short supply.
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The problem is there's only a very small handful of people here in any way qualified or with the expertise to meaningfully speculate and give an impression of what the NG will be like, there's an even smaller number of people with inside connections to provide any kind of significant updates, and so far none have really been significant or lead to any conclusions that weren't already being formed almost two years ago with the gigaleak

In the wake of that you'll get frequent off-topic conversations since - let's be real - this is more of a general hangout thread than a subject-specific one, which if it was it would be at barely 100 pages by now, then you'll get people that actively engage in the off-topic discussions chastising the existence of the off-topic discussions and recommending everyone else take it elsewhere, however every few pages you'll find an example of a moderation warning on a posting which indicates every comment is read yet no thought of moderation is given to ensuring the thread stays on-topic, which means it's fair to say moderation has no real interest in the general trajectory of the thread

As you say, there'll be nothing solid until stuff is actually announced in an official capacity and put out there in writing, everything else is either beating dead horses or drawing blood from stones
 
Carpa is such an oddball term to show up that I'm not entirely convinced it's a codename. If it weren't for the "CARPA X1" which makes it look like part of the product name with a revision number, I'd say it could be some unrelated part of the shipping description. But it's a fun word so I'm going to keep using it to refer to the maybe-devkits.

Foltzie said:
Would the CARPA device have been going to India for testing? Or would Nvidia India do some other sort of devkit assembly pre-Foxconn taking over as a part of regular manufacturing?
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These shipments are all infrequent and often single-digit quantity, never more than double-digit. Whatever they're for is not part of a supply chain or manufacturing process. I think that RMA/defect analysis is a possible reason for some of the late shipments of already released products. Other more current products could be sent for validation, or use in software development, writing automated tests, who knows. But the test boards and maybe-devkit units being sent are already as "complete" as they're going to get when they're loaned out to the India office.
 
PixelKnight said:
Thanks dearie. That new Star Wars ‘sequel’ is showing at the cinema tomorrow, isn’t it? The Empire Strikes Back? Maybe if my back doesn’t hurt we can go and spend a few pennies on popcorn! I do like that rogue Han Solo. He’s a card.
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The cinema? Don’t you mean the “talkies” 😝
 
kvetcha said:
I agree with you 100%. It drives me up a wall to see people coming in here every few pages and asking the rest of us to summarize what's been going on because they can't be arsed to catch themselves up. That, plus the number of circular conversations spurred by people posting the same news repeatedly (again, because they can't be bothered to keep up), has really made this thread kind of a chore.

And I say this as someone who rarely contributes anything meaningful.
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To me it's an issue of too many people treating this thread as a chatroom instead of practicing more proper forum etiquette. I can understand being daunted by something like 10 new pages to read but it should be common courtesy to at least skim the last few pages before asking what people are talking about. Think about posting for posterity.
 
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