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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

I just wanna know: since Pro was an option for the Switch family of systems, will we get a Switch 2 Pro?

I think I can see Nintendo trying a midgen significant upgrade to try and garner 3rd parties. If a docked Switch 2 is almost a PS4 Pro, then a docked Switch 2 Pro could almost be a PS5
The problem is we don't really know why a Switch Pro didn't ultimately happen, so it's hard to say if that's a situation likely to repeat. One can guess they weren't really satisfied with how hard they could push Mariko, but that's just a guess.

My guess is there probably won't be unless Drake die shrinks especially well.
 
URGH. The reason why it’s frustrating when the XB1/PS4 and their Pro/X variants are touted as something “impressive for Nintendo” for a console releasing in 2024 and beyond is because of the general tendency to overshoot PS/XBox hardware while lowballing Nintendo hardware and grossly overstating the differences between them - It’s not impressive at all, and I’ve been saying for ages that it would be wholly unfit for a generational purpose and susceptible to a Wii U fate. That is to say they’re correct at Reddit, but for the wrong reasons. I feel that this isn’t fully understood over here, too, and the narrative about being a generation behind is also false and easy to dispel.

So, Why do I say PS4-tier is unimpressive? When we talk about the XB1/PS4, we are actually talking about decade-old systems with even older parts, No RT, No DLSS, very old architecture, a poor CPU which bottlenecks its GPU, which won’t keep up once the cross-gen period has expired, worse lithography processes, and all of these are true for their Pro/X variants. So, they’re also unimpressive for a console releasing in 2024 and beyond, portable or not. Drake has more going for it than all of these, so, that’s the starting point. It has to be better than the Steam Deck when portable (it will), and close to, greater than, or equal to the XSS when docked (It will).

It also underestimates how much mobile tech has advanced - Mobile CPUs have had XB1(X)/PS4 Pro CPUs beaten for years. We saw Apple’s M1 chip load 4K files faster than a high-end i9 desktop in 2020. Samsung/AMD brought the first ray-tracing mobile GPU to the S22 line of phones in 2022. Neural units have existed in phones, while Nvidia has it for DLSS. We have a bunch of numbers from the leaks. But people still talk about 2013 systems, ignorant of the fact that the current Switch has many games from their libraries already, and ignorant of the fact that Nintendo has games which hold their own, in some cases do more than revered titles on those systems, as if they would be “impressive”, as if they’re still to catch up with that. There is also the history lesson of the Wii U and 3DS. After SM64DS, The 3DS coasted on “more N64 ports” 7 years later, and barely managed half the sales of its predecessor, while with the Wii U, saying “it’s enough to be HD” didn’t work for them - While it was the most powerful system on the market when it launched, and considerably more so than the PS360 consoles, the endeavour wasn’t there for most developers. The games it did have were largely unoptimised, but there were very few - they didn’t even get all of the cross-gen or PS360 ports!! Moral of both stories? They have to aim higher, or get left behind again. I’m sure some of you lived through the Wii U era, and it was painful to see every announcement skip it. Also, with the 3DS, it meant Nintendo could no longer afford to run its portable line several generations behind its home line - It was beaten by the iPhone 4, iPad and 4th Gen iPod Touch on release, as well as a series of Android phones. That is to say, they were providing a dated portable gaming experience. That’s why they went with industry-leading chips on the Switch. Anything less than the definitive portable gaming experience will make them susceptible to failure. It can’t settle for “more XB1/PS4 ports”, not that there are any more of note, which can move the needle in meaningful ways. It has to be able to receive PS5/XS ports.

So, saying “PS4-tier is impressive for Nintendo in 2024 and beyond” is a failure to learn from this. It’s astonishing that the more “enthusiast” circles haven’t grasped this yet, but thankfully, Nintendo and Nvidia understand these points.
 
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Given what they have managed to squeeze out of the Switch I can't fathom not being ecstatic at the very idea of Nintendo's developers working with hardware on the level of the PS4, let alone the PS4 Pro.
 
Kotick on one hand claimed that he doesn’t know the specs of Switch NG, but on the other equating it to PS4/XB1. I think his denial was merely technicality. He probably doesn’t have the final or complete specs, but he knows the specs.
Could just be he really doesn't have the specs in numbers or amount of memory and the Nintendo representative was ballparking with PS4 as a frame of reference.
Even if the case, it's still impressive for ARM based hardware on a wholescale. At least outside of Apple's grasp, given that was a feat the iPad could pull off around 5 years ago.
 
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Just make it Hall Effect and be done with it. The only issue I really have with Switch (aside from diminishing returns graphics and stability wise) is that if you didn't have Gyro Controls with certain games, they are extremely finicky to play with those thumbsticks. Hopefully we get some better ones as part of the next gen transition.

Also more utilisation of HD Rumble please, Dualsense is amazing.
 
god I hope this is bs

I don't want a fucking steam deck
I'm sorry Racc


You'll have to embrace lorge Switch

(But more than likely, existing Switch Joy-Con will be compatible so you could, in theory, attach and use those if you want a sleeker footprint.)
 
Just make it Hall Effect and be done with it. The only issue I really have with Switch (aside from diminishing returns graphics and stability wise) is that if you didn't have Gyro Controls with certain games, they are extremely finicky to play with those thumbsticks. Hopefully we get some better ones as part of the next gen transition.

Also more utilisation of HD Rumble please, Dualsense is amazing.
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why would they make the controllers worse without getting the benefit of thermals/battery? it's still going to be even more of a pain to carry around
The possibility of larger and more comfortable controllers does not so much as IMPLY that the system itself will be at all larger. Just the controllers, I imagine, since those are the only aspect that determines comfort.

Keep in mind in the same thermal footprint, and thus physical footprint, as the original Switch, it can still be SIX times more powerful. But, the original Switch actually had cooling capacity to spare. So it could be MORE THAN six times more powerful without the next generation Nintendo Switch console (the SOC, motherboard and screen device) getting any bigger.
 
I'm sorry Racc


You'll have to embrace lorge Switch

(But more than likely, existing Switch Joy-Con will be compatible so you could, in theory, attach and use those if you want a sleeker footprint.)
I'll probably wait for the slim unless there's really compelling software
 
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games that I'd buy the Switch 2 Phat for
  • Ray-Traced Wave Race
  • Pikmin 5
  • an actually good Animal Crossing
  • a new Rusty's Real Deal Baseball (3D or VR only)
  • a 3D Mario with platforming like 64
  • Splatoon 4
  • a new IP that really rocks

as you can see this list is not very long and only the last two are even remotely likely
 
I’ve never seen a pro controller, so I’m not sure what the difference is here.

The Joy-Con, physically, are the weakest parts of the OLED model. That the connection is flat to the side of the tablet makes it easy to bend the rails during play, and eventually, you get a situation where a joy con randomly disconnects.

The push button on the sticks has never felt good. I don’t feel comfortable using it in Dread, where it always felt like I was gonna snap the thing, and in Zelda I use the scope on combat by accident all the time.

The narrowness of the shoulder button and the position of the face buttons is actively painful for certain combos, with me using this insane claw grip without even realizing it sometimes.

There are HUGE variations in human hands, there is no controller that will be comfortable for even the majority of people. I hope there are lots of aftermarket options no matter what Nintendo goes with.

When it comes to the shoulder and trigger buttons, my biggest problem is just how high the trigger is. If you moved it down, I could press it with my middle fingers and you could make the bumper larger without making the joy con any thicker. But I suspect that would be an unpleasant change for lots of folks
 
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What are we responding to here?
Leaked graph and sales data from the activision court case. I know Nintendo is known but I wanted to share the overall data they showed of Nintendo’s hardware sales from over the years up to now

They showed Xbox’s sales for the first time too
 
Best Buy has announced a buy two get one free deal for all Nintendo Switch games (with their Best Buy Membership). This is pretty normal... At the end of a console's lifespan.

Some (read: me) speculate they are doing this not to push memberships, as that could be done with all current consoles, but to move stock to prepare for a new generation.

We're really on the rails now, everyone.
 
Best Buy has announced a buy two get one free deal for all Nintendo Switch games (with their Best Buy Membership). This is pretty normal... At the end of a console's lifespan.

Some (read: me) speculate they are doing this not to push memberships, as that could be done with all current consoles, but to move stock to prepare for a new generation.

We're really on the rails now, everyone.
Beat me to it, lol. Doctre came to the same conclusion.

 
Beat me to it, lol. Doctre came to the same conclusion.


came here to post this. There could be other reasons, like BB figuring out physical collectors are vapid especially on switch and microtargeting that segment but it doesn't explain why it's for Switch only. Nintendo probably isn't involved with comarketing, as they're not the type to want to lose money on their software, it's more likely a BB initiative internally and wanting to take a hit on their margins to grow subs to their new loyalty plan. Could be as simple as that. but the single platform selection is still puzzling.

His rationale is sound,, but not the smoking gun yet.
 
came here to post this. There could be other reasons, like BB figuring out physical collectors are vapid especially on switch and microtargeting that segment but it doesn't explain why it's for Switch only. Nintendo probably isn't involved with comarketing, as they're not the type to want to lose money on their software, it's more likely a BB initiative internally and wanting to take a hit on their margins to grow subs to their new loyalty plan. Could be as simple as that. but the single platform selection is still puzzling.

His rationale is sound,, but not the smoking gun yet.
No smoking gun... But more smoke. And there's no smoke without fire.
 
If Nintendo wants to maintain their dominance they need the new console NOW. Not two years from now. Not a year and a half. If they want to stay number one they need to reveal it NOW. Let people Pre-Order it NOW.

And they WANT to stay number one.
well it's not going to be revealed "now"
 
Raw specs (this is handheld mode right?) can be around PS4/XOne levels, like a ~1.2-1.8TFlops GPU but much stronger CPU/RAM/RT/DLSS/Modern architecture/etc.

Just like Switch (in paper) at portable is like a WiiU in raw GPU power but we know the difference.

I think the expectation of a portable PS4/XOne that can be like a PS4 Pro/XOneX in docked mode with better CPU and modern featureset is a very good scenario right?
 
Rog ally feels lighter to me than steam deck and surprisingly comfortable…

If you watch its teardown you'll see that the weight is really well distributed (the SoC's positioning, the dual fan and the 'split' battery design)

For me, the switch always felt heavier than it should, because the ergonomics are terrible IMO (something I also loved on the Ally)
 
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