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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

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mjayer said:
I think you are underestimating the "gaming-press..." they can get blood from a turnip and it will be trending on twitter in less than an hour if there was even a hint of new hardware coming soon at that event.
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I think you may be overestimating the influence of the gaming press and Twitter over the majority of Nintendo’s customers
 
As fwd-bwd shared, the no new hardware was not in the Q&A and was only mentioned by Mochi, who has been suspect lately.

Also, if Drake/REDACTED is expected to be in the Switch family then would that not be included as part of that focus? Do we think this not a switch at the end of the day? I just think it’s weird that there’s a total nothing burger right now for 2H as we approach June. Nintendo is also back at Gamescom…to show what exactly? Can’t just be software. They can do that fine via Twitter/directs as they’ve proven since the pandemic
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
If you actually carefully read it again, you’re actually realize they are saying with these messages that they are going to focus entirely on the Nintendo switch system for this entire fiscal year. This fiscal year ends in March 31, 2024. Therefore they will not be advertising or announcing any new model before April 1, 2024. Henceforth the new systems next likely release date is actually holiday 2024, with an announcement possibly within the first half of 2024. They want to attempt to hit that 15M target and will leverage many aspects and new titles to do so with that 180M software forecast, even if they admit it isn’t going to be easy.

Or, it’s spring 2025.

Cast off the H1 2024, or H2 2023, target of aim is probably H2 2024 to H2 2025 window period.


The span of that year is perhaps what they are looking for based on this Q&A and if we take the Q&A as gospel.
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I’m still thinking through options for 2024, but I currently feel like 2023 is one final heave for the Switch and 2024 is the year of transition. Nintendo know they only have one chance to get this right, so their communication and marketing will have to be pitched just right. I’ve no idea what that means practically or in terms of timing yet though 🤔
 
Nyrnvs said:
As fwd-bwd shared, the no new hardware was not in the Q&A and was only mentioned by Mochi, who has been suspect lately.

Also, if Drake/REDACTED is expected to be in the Switch family then would that not be included as part of that focus? Do we think this not a switch at the end of the day? I just think it’s weird that there’s a total nothing burger right now for 2H as we approach June. Nintendo is also back at Gamescom…to show what exactly? Can’t just be software. They can do that fine via Twitter/directs as they’ve proven since the pandemic
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It could very well be a Switch that has its own sales expectations not tied to the Switch 1. And, I very much expect Gamescom to be software but also to canvas retailers & publishers since that is typically was what E3 was for.
 
TSR3 said:
I’m still thinking through options for 2024, but I currently feel like 2023 is one final heave for the Switch and 2024 is the year of transition. Nintendo know they only have one chance to get this right, so their communication and marketing will have to be pitched just right. I’ve no idea what that means practically or in terms of timing yet though 🤔
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I’m saying that, expecting March or even an H1 for 2024 as the earliest is futile. Nintendo is hellbent on pushing this device well into the holiday, if we go by this Q&A as any indication as meaning anything. They are framing the timing to be holiday 2024 at the earliest. The wording is framed in a way that eliminates other possibilities.


If they announce it in Q3 FY24/Q4 CY23 for a Q4 2024/ Q1 CY24, then they already go against what they are saying here in the Q&A.


If they announce it in the Q1 of the following year, it wouldn’t be directly after Christmas happened the previous month. It isn’t going to happen at the investor’s meeting in February, and even if announced after in February or March, that’s not hitting until the second half at the likeliest. The announcement>demo>sold on shelves process already takes time, and I don’t think anyone here actually expects it to have a 2-3month cycle for a whole new generation.

The announcement can happen in Q1 FY25/Q2 CY24 or very early in July (Q2 FY25/ Q3 CY24) for a November launch.


Or, if it is delayed due to software not being ready (again), it can be announced in H2 of CY24 for a release in H1 CY25.
 
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Dakhil said:
I think the effect a type of display being used has on battery life is rather minimal.

I think that the SoC and the battery size have a much bigger impact to battery life than the type of display, considering the battery life increased from 2.5 - 6.5 hours with the Nintendo Switch (2017) to 4.5 - 9 hours with the Nintendo Switch (2019), thanks to switching from the Tegra X1 to the Tegra X1+, and the OLED model's battery life's the same as the Nintendo Switch (2019)'s life at 4.5 - 9 hours according to Nintendo.


That's not necessarily always true. OLED displays can consume more power than LCD displays at higher peaks of brightness.


Ah, I'm sorry. But I don't think I've heard anyone here say a launch after 2024 is impossible.
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I read that the original Switch consumes 12 watts on TV and 6 to 9 watts on portable mode, rigth? The OLED model utilize only 6 watts on TV, but I can't find how much it utilize on portable mode.

And for Switch 2/Drake, how much is expect to be a realistically amount? I hope they utilize a battery with more than the 5,200 mAh of OLED and that allow, at least 15W on portable mode. I hope for something that can least for 3 hours, like the original model (more than enough for a first model I think).
 
BDGAME said:
I read that the original Switch consumes 12 watts on TV and 6 to 9 watts on portable mode, rigth? The OLED model utilize only 6 watts on TV, but I can't find how much it utilize on portable mode.

And for Switch 2/Drake, how much is expect to be a realistically amount? I hope they utilize a battery with more than the 5,200 mAh of OLED and that allow, at least 15W on portable mode. I hope for something that can least for 3 hours, like the original model (more than enough for a first model I think).
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15W in handheld mode?

Oh God no, please. This isn't the Steam Deck.
 
mjayer said:
November 14, 2023 for the release of an untitled magic wand game...

Very interesting choice of launch date?

Unrelated:
Game Cube–November 18, 2001 in North America
Wii–November 19, 2006, in North America
Wii U –November 18, 2012, in North America

Nintendo is going to Gamescom for the first time in 4 years... with what?
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You mean H*rry Potter? Or whatever that game is called
 
mjayer said:
I think it's called Super Wand Boy.

I also think the publisher believes it's going to do very well on Nintendo platforms. It's interesting they delayed it, again. I'm sure it's nothing though...
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If we go by any previous instance, it is nothing and there’s no point in reading beyond the tea leaves.

MadMechanic said:
51Cp8xv+W1L._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg[IMG] You mean
You mean Billy the Wizard? 🤭
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I like how this didn’t embed.😭
 
Gay Bowser said:
the 3DS’s bottom screen ignored the size increase that Nintendo gave the DSi and went back to being as small as the one on the DS Lite, despite the 3DS’s substantially higher price and “premium” positioning at launch

the Switch lacks camera(s)/mic(s), being the first new Nintendo hardware in a decade to do so, despite being close to double the cost of the DSi released 9 years prior
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the size of the 3DS bottom screen, I'll give you. but removing unused features, I don't consider so much a downgrade. hell, if it wasn't for the success of Ring Fit Adventure, the infrared camera on the switch would be an easy ditch. maybe they can just replace it with something
 
Hmm...
Q&A said:
Q: The number of annual playing users for Nintendo Switch is continuing to rise even as we enter its seventh year since launch, so from that perspective, I feel that it is possible to say that there is less of a need to release a next-generation platform. When you do release a next-generation platform, do you foresee a dramatic increase in the number of annual playing users, or will you maintain it at the level of at least 100 million users?

Furukawa: We do not believe that reaching a certain number of annual playing users means that there is no need to release a next-generation platform. I cannot say anything specific about a next-generation platform at this time, but we are always working on various projects aimed at the future by asking ourselves what kind of fun proposal we can make which can possibly provide new and unique entertainment.
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mjayer said:
November 14, 2023 for the release of an untitled magic wand game...

Very interesting choice of launch date?

Unrelated:
Game Cube–November 18, 2001 in North America
Wii–November 19, 2006, in North America
Wii U –November 18, 2012, in North America

Nintendo is going to Gamescom for the first time in 4 years... with what?
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ILikeFeet said:
this confirms they're not looking for an arbitrary point to say "ok, now we release drake". so "switch still selling well, no need for drake" team got blown the fuck out
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It also means they could release a new device and treat it as a "third-pillar" a la Nintendo DS wihout fear into it cutting into sales, but they obviosly need titles to correspond with the new device.

It's very non-commital, but it's obviously the investor doing a bit of reverse-psychology on Furukawa to get a more specific response from him. From 6 months to 3 weeks notice, we really don't know how Nintendo plans and what angle they will market a new device.
 
I remain unshaken in Team 2023. I don't think there was a single thing in the financial results Q/A that convinces me to think otherwise.

I'll stop believing when Nintendo shows me why I shouldn't. Bring it on.
 
mjayer said:
November 14, 2023 for the release of an untitled magic wand game...

Very interesting choice of launch date?

Unrelated:
Game Cube–November 18, 2001 in North America
Wii–November 19, 2006, in North America
Wii U –November 18, 2012, in North America

Nintendo is going to Gamescom for the first time in 4 years... with what?
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WB has delayed the game for commercial reasons, to make it coincide with Christmas.
 
Boxle said:
I remain unshaken in Team 2023. I don't think there was a single thing in the financial results Q/A that convinces me to think otherwise.

I'll stop believing when Nintendo shows me why I shouldn't. Bring it on.
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Here Here!
 
BDGAME said:
I read that the original Switch consumes 12 watts on TV and 6 to 9 watts on portable mode, rigth? The OLED model utilize only 6 watts on TV, but I can't find how much it utilize on portable mode.
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The OLED model probably consumes 3.25 W on average (4.7 W max) for non-demanding games (e.g. Arcade Archives EXCITEBIKE on Nintendo Switch Online), and 6 W on average (7.95 W max) for demanding games (e.g. Korok Forest in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild) in handheld mode, considering the OLED model does use the same SoC as the Nintendo Switch (2019), the Tegra X1+.
 
Gotdatmoneyy said:
There is no way with the forecasted hardware a successor is releasing this year. I really don't understand why anyone still wants to harp on this. The Q&A makes it clear the Switch is the focus for this fiscal year. They clarify no new hardware is baked into the forecast. They clarify it will be difficult to reach 15m. They set 180m software target which could only bebreached if they have big titles lined up.

There is 0 reason to believe new hardware is relasing in 2023. You would have to ignore everything to believe otherwise.
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Setting aside my raw optimism powering my clinging to 2023 (until that ball in Times Square tells me otherwise :p), I choose to focus on and interpret the bolded as "Eat your heart out, Chris Dring" 😤
 
Boxle said:
I remain unshaken in Team 2023. I don't think there was a single thing in the financial results Q/A that convinces me to think otherwise.

I'll stop believing when Nintendo shows me why I shouldn't. Bring it on.
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LOVE IT!
 
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mjayer said:
November 14, 2023 for the release of an untitled magic wand game...

Very interesting choice of launch date?

Unrelated:
Game Cube–November 18, 2001 in North America
Wii–November 19, 2006, in North America
Wii U –November 18, 2012, in North America

Nintendo is going to Gamescom for the first time in 4 years... with what?
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With a dedicated home console!

I can only dream..
 
BDGAME said:
So, are we really expecting a console that is more powerful than the Steam Deck, but draws less watts than it? Is this already possible?
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When you aren't making pc games, yes. Steam Deck is still a PC and inherits its problems while adding more onto them because of proton and the conversion layer
 
mjayer said:
November 14, 2023 for the release of an untitled magic wand game...

Very interesting choice of launch date?

Unrelated:
Game Cube–November 18, 2001 in North America
Wii–November 19, 2006, in North America
Wii U –November 18, 2012, in North America

Nintendo is going to Gamescom for the first time in 4 years... with what?
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Let them cook.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
If you actually carefully read it again, you’re actually realize they are saying with these messages that they are going to focus entirely on the Nintendo switch system for this entire fiscal year. This fiscal year ends in March 31, 2024. Therefore they will not be advertising or announcing any new model before April 1, 2024.
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I think you're reading way too much specific information out of vague statements.

He says: "However, at this stage, we believe that our top priorities are maintaining and expanding the utilization of Nintendo Switch".

I hear: "Right now, we're mostly focused on Switch."

You hear: "We will say absolutely nothing about hardware that isn't Switch until at least April 1, 2024."
Nyrnvs said:
Also, if Drake/REDACTED is expected to be in the Switch family then would that not be included as part of that focus? Do we think this not a switch at the end of the day?
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It's a "Switch" in the sense that GBA was a "Game Boy".
BDGAME said:
I read that the original Switch consumes 12 watts on TV and 6 to 9 watts on portable mode, rigth? The OLED model utilize only 6 watts on TV, but I can't find how much it utilize on portable mode.
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Given that they adjusted expected battery life from 2.5-6.5 to 4.5-9.0 for newer models, you could estimate it's using 55-72% as much power as the original model.
BDGAME said:
So, are we really expecting a console that is more powerful than the Steam Deck, but draws less watts than it? Is this already possible?
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Newer technology, plus certain differences like that ARM CPUs are less power-hungry than x86 which is why they've been so much more common in portable devices where battery life is more an issue than... 100% being a PC.
 
themagpieswarble said:
Man I wish ToTK was a Switch 2 launch title. The graphics really suffer because of the switch hardware.
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I hear ya. I used to think I wanted 4K, but now I think TotK would benefit so much more from 60fps, better shadows, and higher rez textures. Give me 900p all day long. I just am having a hard time with the frame rate, most of all. But hey. If they re-release it as a remaster for REDACTED, I’ll bitch and moan, but I’d still buy it. 😛
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
I think you're reading way too much specific information out of vague statements.

He says: "However, at this stage, we believe that our top priorities are maintaining and expanding the utilization of Nintendo Switch".

I hear: "Right now, we're mostly focused on Switch."

You hear: "We will say absolutely nothing about hardware that isn't Switch until at least April 1, 2024."
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I’m reading all of the Q&A from the different questions as they pertain to a similar idea of wanting to ride out the switch well into the holiday season. While also accounting for the scenarios in which can allow for an announcement, a few months, and then release.

But here’s the thing, if they want to ride out this system well into the holidays, if I were them, I wouldn’t announce a new system before then for this holiday, I’d want to maximize this holiday.

If I were to release a new system in the H1 of the following year, it would be announced during the last quarter of the previous year if I don’t care too much about the sales of this holiday.

I find it hard to believe them announcing this in January after the Christmas and New Year’s period.

I don’t see any announcement at any meeting anyway so I’m going to ignore the early February meeting as a spot for announcing, but I also don’t see them doing it so early.

An announcement in later February for a June/July period of release is really bizarre, even for them in this day and age.

And I don’t see a really short cycle if announced in February for say an April or May launch, I see that as being very much off the table.


The only free window opportunity I see is a June/July 2024 announcement for a November 2024 launch.

But like I said before, this assumes we are to take a Q&A as gospel. Of course, no one should expect them to say “oh yeah we are releasing new hardware this year” in the Q&A because that would spread like wildfire and be a disaster.

However, I think FY24 is off the cards, on top of their desire to attempt to hit a high number even if not confident (they’ll revise this down I feel). That ends in March 31st (you know this), but if they announce it anytime during that quarter, it’ll reduce their sales and make hitting a target even harder.


or early 2025 if software isn’t ready, again.
 
Dakhil said:
And I don't think anyone's saying Nintendo releasing new hardware after 2023 is off the table. (I think the majority of people here think Nintendo's going to release new hardware after 2023). I think people are saying that a holiday 2023 launch is not off the table yet.
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I was obviously talking about 2024 too.
 
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