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I loved the Wii u, I use to play for 8 hrs a day and never had problems with the ergonomics of it
I'd play mine for so long that I often had to play with the Gamepad plugged in. 🤣
To this day it's still the most comfortable controller for my hands and wrists by a wide margin.

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I wish Nintendo would make a controller that feels as perfect in my hands as the GOAT.

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still Nintendo's best pad ever.
 
if the Wii U failed by every single metric it at least succeeded in delivering the most comfortable ever controller with a screen. i could care less if the Switch Next is bulbous, ugly, round, big etc. i'm trying to play games on this thing not enter a fashion show. and please not glossy, please no!
 
I would actually assume that the massive success of Prime 1 makes it way less likely that Prime 2+3 gets now also released, except Prime 4 gets a surprise additional delay. Prime 1 arrived just in a nice time before Prime 4, so people could replay the beloved classic and it also could reach new players to make them interested in Prime 4.
Releasing Prime 2+3 would endanger the sales of Prime 4, as it would oversaturate the market. So it potentially damage Prime 4 sales, especially if Prime 4 would release with a worse rating as Prime 2+3. Another reason is that Prime 2+3 didn't sell as well as 1 (Remastered already outperformed 2). Also Prime 4 unlikely will continue Prime 3, I wouldn't be also surprised if it is set after Fusion or Dread. All you might need to know you could get from playing Prime 1.
If Nintendo gave 2+3 the Prime 1 Remastered treadment, they will for sure rest for some time in the vault, maybe as a final send off for Switch. A nearly untouched HD Upscale maybe, but that would also just disappoint everyone after Remastered.


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how can Metroid Prime 4 get a delay,if the game dont have a release date, is still TBA
 
if the Wii U failed by every single metric it at least succeeded in delivering the most comfortable ever controller with a screen. i could care less if the Switch Next is bulbous, ugly, round, big etc. i'm trying to play games on this thing not enter a fashion show. and please not glossy, please no!
if you're gonna play it at home why not play on a tv
 
let hope/pray for the controller of Switch sucessor to never ever have the dreadful Joy-Con drift, many of my friends suffered trough this, i and my cousin was lucky to not suffer trough this(i have a extended battery Switch since dezembre 8th of 2019 and my cousin a launch Switch)
It’s not unavoidable unfortunately, unless they change the form in which these are made.

Even then, there’s a chance to drift even in those
 
It’s not unavoidable unfortunately, unless they change the form in which these are made.

Even then, there’s a chance to drift even in those
i think if Nintendo use Hall Efect joystick for the controller of it next hardware, could aliviate or solve this problem
 
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if the Switch had better ergonomics handheld mode would be much more appealing, at least personally. and the Wii U Gamepad was superior to the Pro Controller, mostly thanks to the shoulder buttons.
you have to get it somewhere though!
 
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Joycon Drift should have been Nintendo's RROD, the backlash has been far too enthusiast heavy. I don't want them to fail cause of it or whatever but there needs to be more pressure for these kinds of inexcusable mistakes, not just a few articles from Kotaku
 
My prediction is that Nintendo is announcing this new console [or at least doing a mention of it] on this FY still, but it won't released until either Holiday 2024 or Spring 2025. It's kinda hard to properly 'predict' Nintendo's moves based out sorely on the drought of software recently due to age and changes of marketing strategies we've seen (the only one that we could compare is possibly the Wii U, which WAS the Wii U... if you know what i mean), but software releases aren't much to go by (although this software drought is 200% interesting to see and likely indicative of something brewing)

They literally put out an entire new model, a brand new Pokémon, a brand new Fire Emblem, a brand new Shin Megami and Kirby games all in 2016, months leading to the release of the Nintendo Switch. Saying this or that can't be released/announced because it'd hurt the sales of the Switch or hamper the timeframe of a future release isn't really problem for them. I'd also believe that the 15m expected units are very likely to be pushed pretty much sorely because of ToTK. Yes, it could be them pretty much jumping the gun, but it's not hard to see why they'd think that. They probably have some minor software releases later the year (remasters/remakes) and some other main Holiday'23 release to push the final 15m figure.
 
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let hope/pray for the controller of Switch sucessor to never ever have the dreadful Joy-Con drift, many of my friends suffered trough this, i and my cousin was lucky to not suffer trough this(i have a extended battery Switch since dezembre 8th of 2019 and my cousin a launch Switch)
I don't have high hopes because even the other consoles controllers are suffering from drift. My Xbox Series Controller began to drift slightly a few days after purchasing the console which made me get more worried of the controller drift situation since I never had problems with my previous controllers (Xbox 360, Wii) despite accidentally dropping them and having lack of cleansing (Yeah back then I didn't knew how to properly take care of my electronics. Actually one of my Xbox 360 Controllers stopped working because the batteries I forgot to remove leaked a tiny bit of acid).
 
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I'd rather have 12GB LPDDR5X with 134 GB/s and 256 GB UFS 3.0/3.1 storage.

Although it doesn't hurt, I don't think Drake needs 16GB. It's in a better position RAM wise for games vs last gen and X series S, . Bigger bottleneck would be bandwidth.

Fast storage speeds is a no brainier for me. Orion supports UFS 3.

Now whether it's more or less likely than 16GB + eMMC storage is another story altogether of course. We'll see if the memory controller supports 5x. I'm not expecting it. Would be disappointed we don't get UFS storage though.

Drake needs ~16 GB of RAM to overcome the substantial I/O deficit it will have compared to current consoles. Xbox Series S may only have ~8.3 GB of usable RAM, but it will be able to flood RAM with data far faster than Drake will be able to - not to mention all of the other techniques that are part of the Xbox Velocity Architecture that reduce the amount of RAM needed for assets (ie, something like SFS, which essentially functions as a multiplier on the amount of available RAM).
 
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Considering Mochi's track record over the last few years with Nintendo related reporting, I wouldn't read anything into the references to Nintendo in the article. If Mochi had anything to hint that it was Nintendo, he'd say so. It's not a "hint" from an "insider", it's speculation from an analyst.

It would be one thing if we didn't live in the era of every single major hardware vendor trying a new handheld and/or VR console, but we're in a period of experimentation in the embedded console space.

It seems like Sharp added a reference to a project in order to shore up confidence in a otherwise dreary financial report, and got bit by it, as they've removed the references since.
Mochi basically reported the Switch OLED.

I think what's more significant from his report is Sharp removing references to the device AFTER the fact. And we know which company is anal about that sort of thing.
Wu was careful to avoid identifying the company or its impending product. After the analyst call, Sharp deleted from its online presentation slides a mention of a new game device it is a supplier for.
 
Drake needs ~16 GB of RAM to overcome the substantial I/O deficit it will have compared to current consoles. Xbox Series S may only have ~8.3 GB of usable RAM, but it will be able to flood RAM with data far faster than Drake will be able to - not to mention all of the other techniques that are part of the Xbox Velocity Architecture that reduce the amount of RAM needed for assets (ie, something like SFS, which essentially functions as a multiplier on the amount of available RAM).
nah. Drake is still weaker than Series S. assets won't be of the same fidelity, which means the needs of bandwidth and ram capacity are lower. not to mention if Nintendo continues the light OS, we're still looking at 10GB of ram or more.
 
for the people waiting on the English Q&A, it typically takes up to 2 days after the Japanese Q&A's release so it could (not 100% sure) be anytime tomorrow (US time).

I was searching around Discord where I posted something about an IR Q&A and saw that this was one last year was posted around 2am Pacific Time and I'm gonna link it here since it's kinda on-topic with the thread



Long term relationships with customers through Nintendo Accounts = being able to carry your digital library forward to the next system.

The moment all of your games become locked on an older console is the moment that relationship breaks down.
 
Drake needs ~16 GB of RAM to overcome the substantial I/O deficit it will have compared to current consoles. Xbox Series S may only have ~8.3 GB of usable RAM, but it will be able to flood RAM with data far faster than Drake will be able to - not to mention all of the other techniques that are part of the Xbox Velocity Architecture that reduce the amount of RAM needed for assets (ie, something like SFS, which essentially functions as a multiplier on the amount of available RAM).
It has less than that.
 
Joycon Drift should have been Nintendo's RROD, the backlash has been far too enthusiast heavy. I don't want them to fail cause of it or whatever but there needs to be more pressure for these kinds of inexcusable mistakes, not just a few articles from Kotaku
It is enthusiast heavy because, at this point in time, enthusiasts are the only ones who even remotely care to mention it every so often. However, pressure was put on Nintendo outside enthusiast circles to the tune of class action lawsuits & Nintendo still talking about it now every so often. The problem is that it was nor will ever scale to something like the RROD & has persisted past most people’s attention spans to care or for places to generate interest in.
 
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I know a fair amount of stuff on this coming successor but what I know may not be enough to warrant any reporting/sharing on. I can't just say random things in this thread and give weekly updates if something changes. I need to wait for things to form a solid foundation and then weigh the potential of internal delays or plan shifts -- which always happen.

Many of the details I have now are still preliminary and subject to change before being finalized.
My prediction is that they will have hands on preview of Switch 2 at Gamescom, just a theory.

Since Gamescom is after ToTK & Pikmin 4, and booking a floor for such big convention… to show off F-Zero(no disrespect but it’s over 20 yrs old racing game) doesn’t sit right with me.

I could be wrong, and maybe they will just promote some random games like Switch Sports. But if I had to make a bet for Mariah Carey Profile Pic, I’d say Switch 2 reveal.

And later in September followed by a general Direct.
 
My prediction is that they will have hands on preview of Switch 2 at Gamescom, just a theory.

Since Gamescom is after ToTK & Pikmin 4, and booking a floor for such big convention… to show off F-Zero(no disrespect but it’s over 20 yrs old racing game) doesn’t sit right with me.

I could be wrong, and maybe they will just promote some random games like Switch Sports. But if I had to make a bet for Mariah Carey Profile Pic, I’d say Switch 2 reveal.

And later in September followed by a general Direct.
E3 is where they would have shown off early protoypes to publishers not yet in the loop to garner interest. Assuming Nikkei's reporting is accurate and development is going well and the devic emay not launch this FY but next FY at the latest, the device is pretty far a long now and would be in a showable state.

I am guessing they are just doing a roadshow where they visit devs and to the big US/Japanese publishers and maybe they will have some behind the scenes meeting at Gamescom to show it to European devs/publishers.
 
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Mochi basically reported the Switch OLED.
Yes I am aware. I’m not saying Mochi is wrong, I’m saying Mochi has a history of reporting Nintendo information as fact based on a single (reputable) source. The fact that Mochi positions the statements as speculation and not fact says he has no source for the Nintendo connection, he’s just connecting two (reasonable) dots for investors.

I’m warning folks away from treating Bloomberg like a gaming Twitter personality who hints at things for clout.

I think what's more significant from his report is Sharp removing references to the device AFTER the fact. And we know which company is anal about that sort of thing.

If Sharp wasn’t authorized to talk about the project, then it wouldn’t matter what company it was, lawyers are paid for exactly this.

Not saying it’s not Nintendo. I’m saying that Mochizuki doesn’t have a source, and there are other candidates.
 
If Sharp wasn’t authorized to talk about the project, then it wouldn’t matter what company it was, lawyers are paid for exactly this.

Not saying it’s not Nintendo. I’m saying that Mochizuki doesn’t have a source, and there are other candidates.
It's probably a grey area and I don't think it was a mistake. Sharp didn't exactly say who it was, Mochi was playing connect the dots, and they removed it after their presentation was over, either because they realized they said too much, or that was the plan all along.

In the Blommberg reporting, there's an annotation indicating the story was updated after Mochi reported it initially to add that Sharp had removed references to the new games console from its presentation, so it's even possible Bloomberg picking it up caused conversations to happen that led to that reference being removed.

I feel like the customer is probably Nintendo in this case.
 
It's probably a grey area and I don't think it was a mistake. Sharp didn't exactly say who it was, Mochi was playing connect the dots, and they removed it after their presentation was over, either because they realized they said too much, or that was the plan all along.

In the Blommberg reporting, there's an annotation indicating the story was updated after Mochi reported it initially to add that Sharp had removed references to the new games console from its presentation, so it's even possible Bloomberg picking it up caused conversations to happen that led to that reference being removed.

I feel like the customer is probably Nintendo in this case.
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It's probably a grey area and I don't think it was a mistake. Sharp didn't exactly say who it was, Mochi was playing connect the dots, and they removed it after their presentation was over, either because they realized they said too much, or that was the plan all along.

In the Blommberg reporting, there's an annotation indicating the story was updated after Mochi reported it initially to add that Sharp had removed references to the new games console from its presentation, so it's even possible Bloomberg picking it up caused conversations to happen that led to that reference being removed.

I feel like the customer is probably Nintendo in this case.
I think mochi jumped too many steps as he has in the past. if this was a couple years ago, then maybe it would have been more clearly nintendo. but now, there are many companies making "gaming handhelds" from Valve, to Asus, to Aya, Ayn, GPD, Logitech, etc. even Sony is back in the fray with the Q Lite. not to mention Sharp's very slides posits VR and Gaming handhelds together, so a VR headset would count as a gaming device if you wanted to twist words.

I'm not ruling out Nintendo, but I get the feeling Mochi is ego driven here. he's been handed some Ls lately and he's gonna scrap for ever W he thinks he can get. his position is safe because he hasn't been touched despite the slips so why not throw some punches just for one connection?
 
Can anyone who's aware of the size an orin SoC on 8nm occupies open MSPaint and do a rough size comparison between the tegra x1's size on the switch vs orin?
 
My prediction is that they will have hands on preview of Switch 2 at Gamescom, just a theory.

Since Gamescom is after ToTK & Pikmin 4, and booking a floor for such big convention… to show off F-Zero(no disrespect but it’s over 20 yrs old racing game) doesn’t sit right with me.

I could be wrong, and maybe they will just promote some random games like Switch Sports. But if I had to make a bet for Mariah Carey Profile Pic, I’d say Switch 2 reveal.

And later in September followed by a general Direct.
I'd be surprised by any official comment/statement regarding hardware made this year. It's not an impossibility but I'm not expecting any such action.

I'm not anticipating any official public communication until next FY -- once mass production nears or begins (April to June 2024 window).

I'll welcome a surprise.
 
My prediction is that they will have hands on preview of Switch 2 at Gamescom, just a theory.

Since Gamescom is after ToTK & Pikmin 4, and booking a floor for such big convention… to show off F-Zero(no disrespect but it’s over 20 yrs old racing game) doesn’t sit right with me.

I could be wrong, and maybe they will just promote some random games like Switch Sports. But if I had to make a bet for Mariah Carey Profile Pic, I’d say Switch 2 reveal.

And later in September followed by a general Direct.
I think their is a decent chance they showoff Prime 4 in Gamescom as their big title.
 
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I think their is a decent chance they showoff Prime 4 in Gamescom as their big title.
I was gonna say that the Prime series is niche, but, Prime 1 is, like, 22 years old. I’m sure they’ll adapt the Prime franchise to current gaming expectations, like voice acting and storytelling. Meaning it could appeal to a much broader audience
 
Drake needs ~16 GB of RAM to overcome the substantial I/O deficit it will have compared to current consoles. Xbox Series S may only have ~8.3 GB of usable RAM, but it will be able to flood RAM with data far faster than Drake will be able to - not to mention all of the other techniques that are part of the Xbox Velocity Architecture that reduce the amount of RAM needed for assets (ie, something like SFS, which essentially functions as a multiplier on the amount of available RAM).

The next Switch isn't going to be a 4 TF machine so it is by default going to use lower quality assets. The PS5 and Series X have 16 GB of RAM. It would be an overspend to put that much RAM. The Series S is going to be a strong machine regardless of what Nintendo does. DLSS will help image quality but you're going to have a weaker CPU/GPU/storage solution and more limited bandwidth.

12 GB would be more than fine.
 
The next Switch isn't going to be a 4 TF machine so it is by default going to use lower quality assets. The PS5 and Series X have 16 GB of RAM. It would be an overspend to put that much RAM. The Series S is going to be a strong machine regardless of what Nintendo does. DLSS will help image quality but you're going to have a weaker CPU/GPU/storage solution and more limited bandwidth.

12 GB would be more than fine.
Tbh, though this is IMO, they should do instead of say 16GB + 128GB of storage, they should do 12GB + 256GB. Like if they were to save any from the fall in cost, put it into storage.

They won’t, but I can dream. Likely they’d just take advantage of it and better their margins.

So, 12GB+128GB of storage.

Maybe even hit a $400 price point 🤔.
 
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Tbh, though this is IMO, they should do instead of say 16GB + 128GB of storage, they should do 12GB + 256GB. Like if they were to save any from the fall, put it into storage.

They won’t, but I can dream. Likely they’d just take advantage of it and better their margins.

So, 12GB+128GB of storage.

Maybe even hit a $400 price point 🤔.

I agree. I think they should go with 256GB of UFS. Good speed storage with an amount that should make downloading a few 30-40 GB games feasible and they could partition off a bit for quick resume.
 
They probably wouldn't have bothered with a custom File Decompression Engine, unless they were concerned with getting the most out of their storage.

Could also mean that they want none of the cores to do any decompression. Why spend valuable CPU power/threads when it can be used for games and/or the OS?
 
Could also mean that they want none of the cores to do any decompression. Why spend valuable CPU power/threads when it can be used for games and/or the OS?
If it maxes out at 100MB/S I can't imagine it would take more than maybe top 30% of one A78 core to do decompression.Depends on the clocks of course.
 
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I was gonna say that the Prime series is niche, but, Prime 1 is, like, 22 years old. I’m sure they’ll adapt the Prime franchise to current gaming expectations, like voice acting and storytelling. Meaning it could appeal to a much broader audience
Please no, I don’t want voice acting, I don’t want Halo-style Federation bullshit.
I want loneliness, exploration , isolation, eeriness.
Especially when you see how bad Nintendo (outside of xenoblade) is at voice acting, BOTW, I’m looking at you.
 
Please no, I don’t want voice acting, I don’t want Halo-style Federation bullshit.
I want loneliness, exploration , isolation, eeriness.
Especially when you see how bad Nintendo (outside of xenoblade) is at voice acting, BOTW, I’m looking at you.
To be fair, we never seen Retro do voice acting.
 
If 8N was back on the table I would definitely expect a 2023 release at the latest, if it not being out already, just based on production capacity and schedules.
 
I agree. I think that 15m number is really cocky with their (likely) tepid H2 software lineup.

I think, best case, we get DLC and a larger holiday title (like 2D Mario or DK) , but that's literally it. Expecting a big Summer Direct that unveils a blowout H2 with tons of unannounced games is delusional, unfortunately
Even if the end of the year was only the release of a new 2D Mario game and some remasters, it would be a good line-up. We would talk about a year during which fire emblem, Zelda, Pikmin and Mario received new entries. Not really enough to make it a huge drama as it has been for months. Especially since focusing on the release of tears of the kingdom should not lead to any hasty and alarmist conclusion on the rest of the year.
 
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