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In this day and age when we have a whole new generation of people who are used to hardware being compatible with software from older devices, in which the software moves with you, BC or Forward Compatibility of Software is expected to be the norm, not the exception.

Apple already popularized the idea of software moving with you despite the hardware. Sony and Microsoft already do it.

Google does it, not only for consumers but also for developers.

Nvidia does it.

AMD does it.

Intel does it.

Nintendo not doing it in this day and age is a choice. Not the most agreeable choice, but a choice nonetheless.
 
Im starting to think there really was a model planned in H1 2023 that was literally just the switch oled with Drake in it. Which was delayed/ rebranded to differentiate it more.

@NateDrake does this theory make sense from your info?
 
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Alovon11 said:
Well, guess this is Schdoringer's console.
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If its really "not factored in", this is very corporate speech denial. So it confirms it will come, but maybe they still have not yet the final release date set. For me it sounds very much like something between "The successor will be released this FY!" to "Yes, we plan to release the successor this year, but we are not yet 100% confident as we have to hit first certain milestones on our software side, which was heavily impacted by the Corona."
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
In this day and age when we have a whole new generation of people who are used to hardware being compatible with software from older devices, in which the software moves with you, BC or Forward Compatibility of Software is expected to be the norm, not the exception.

Apple already popularized the idea of software moving with you despite the hardware. Sony and Microsoft already do it.

Google does it, not only for consumers but also for developers.

Nvidia does it.

AMD does it.

Intel does it.

Nintendo not doing it in this day and age is a choice. Not the most agreeable choice, but a choice nonetheless.
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100% agree. Especially when they are still working with Nvidia, there is no technical hurdle that they arent more than capable of overcoming.
 
SpaceGodzilla said:
pretty sure they released prime remastered to sell prime remastered, not some marketing gimmick to hype up Prime 4, if prime 4 does release within the next 12 months, it would more be a happy coincident than some master strategy
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Sure, but the Remastered was rumored for years and was very very likely shelved for several months. That's why I am convinced it belongs to the marketing campaign to gain interest in the series.
 
BowserIsMyFather said:
Possibly, but honestly, Switch isn't going anywhere for years. It'll continue to sell well into this new console's life and even if it's not backwards compatible in the strictest sense (outside of NSO etc) then it's not an absolute disaster.
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I’ve always wondered if Nintendo’s comments about the Switch having an 8-10 year life span reflect a couple of years overlap with a new model, as the budget option? If we take the 8-10 year comment literally then that would tie up with a 2024 launch for the successor and a final retirement for the original Switch hardware by 2027. This would seem to me to be one of the strongest arguments for Team2024, but I’ve not heard it from anyone before (of course I may well have missed someone’s post in the past). There’s certainly recent precedent for this timeline with the 2/3DS 2017-2020
 
After 1 full day of panicking, i'm getting my head straight again.

Switch 2 released 2023, they are just testing things and making sure they can actually do it, worst case, it goes to march or something like that since they aren't happy with software, hardware looking and working flawlessly or something, but they will get it. They want to be sure about everything before committing to release date/year so they avoid totk with switch 2.
Full BC will mean switch 1 will get a price drop (even if they said they wont, they will) and will live alongside switch 2 for as long as nintendo sees it selling.
2D mario is going to be released alongside switch 2.

Thank you for the panics.
 
Johna X said:
I mean I don't think the Switch can run CoD, and perhaps Sony's deals effect it (though 1.I doubt they'd care more then they do about Xbox who still gets it and 2.After the buyout fails I could see things souring, some things like "Guys Kotick is gonna stop releasing CoD on PlayStation" is totally fanfiction but the actual exclusivity deals may die imo)

next gen is another story but
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Switch can run cod. It might even be easier than getting the wii to run CoD. But Switch was never realistically in the picture anyway. Maybe a port of an old game or Warzone Mobile, but the big tickets were always the next game

Sony's deal doesn't affect anything. That's only a marketing deal. There is no exclusivity
 
TSR3 said:
I’ve always wondered if Nintendo’s comments about the Switch having an 8-10 year life span reflect a couple of years overlap with a new model, as the budget option? If we take the 8-10 year comment literally then that would tie up with a 2024 launch for the successor and a final retirement for the original Switch hardware by 2027. This would seem to me to be one of the strongest arguments for Team2024, but I’ve not heard it from anyone before (of course I may well have missed someone’s post in the past). There’s certainly recent precedent for this timeline with the 2/3DS 2017-2020
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This is exactly my line of thinking.

Just because people want backwards compatibility, nothing really hinges on it. Put a new, exclusive Mario title on there, Mario Kart 9, Metroid Prime 4 (VR/AR anyone?), F-Zero, Zelda...... Things that can be played in a new way that Switch doesn't/can't offer, and it's a huge sales driver. If they were to continue the Switch line with a more powerful model then yes, absolutely, BC will likely be there to almost 100%. But if the new console is a completely fresh concept that will share some titles in the generational overlap, then why would they implement full backwards compatibility? It would certainly make no sense when you consider the reports that they were allegedly struggling to get full BC on the new machine........

I understand that people like to take their library forwards with them, but it's rarely been their thing unless they iterate on consoles (GB/GBC/GBA etc). Even then, it's a feature that's usually gone within a few refreshes (removal of GB slot on DS, GCN disks on Wii etc).

Maybe this console will be the one to finally break that trend.
 
I mean, there are zero reports sourced to anyone close to Nintendo or Nvidia about the next console, let alone BC for it. Unless you count the comments by whoever that was at Nintendo who said it's easier than ever to move games forward. But that was just comment on the concept of BC.

So that also means there zero reports sourced to anyone close to Nintendo or Nvidia about them struggling with BC. Some people have struggled to think how they might accomplish it. And others like to discuss all the possibilities no matter how little sense they make. It also makes little sense to abandon the Switch concept.
 
Hosermess said:
Was hoping somebody would post this. There are a few other interesting replies in the discussion but nothing too juicy. The overall thing I take away from it is that analysts are doing the same guessing we are, they just get paid for it.
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Wait, you're telling me i could make money doing this all here? Where do i apply? Do i get a company car?
 
BowserIsMyFather said:
This is exactly my line of thinking.

Just because people want backwards compatibility, nothing really hinges on it. Put a new, exclusive Mario title on there, Mario Kart 9, Metroid Prime 4 (VR/AR anyone?), F-Zero, Zelda...... Things that can be played in a new way that Switch doesn't/can't offer, and it's a huge sales driver. If they were to continue the Switch line with a more powerful model then yes, absolutely, BC will likely be there to almost 100%. But if the new console is a completely fresh concept that will share some titles in the generational overlap, then why would they implement full backwards compatibility? It would certainly make no sense when you consider the reports that they were allegedly struggling to get full BC on the new machine........

I understand that people like to take their library forwards with them, but it's rarely been their thing unless they iterate on consoles (GB/GBC/GBA etc). Even then, it's a feature that's usually gone within a few refreshes (removal of GB slot on DS, GCN disks on Wii etc).

Maybe this console will be the one to finally break that trend.
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DS was a fresh concept that was more than an iteration over the GBA yet it still had GBA backwards compatibility
 
BowserIsMyFather said:
But if the new console is a completely fresh concept that will share some titles in the generational overlap, then why would they implement full backwards compatibility?
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Because:
  • Having a big library day 1.
  • Being able to sell all their evergreens without compromising their software output in order to port them.
  • Launch window including all future Switch games without requiring delay and port costs.
  • Being able to trade in without losing access to all your games
  • Potential tangible benefits for older games (CPU alone should grant better loading times).

Are all significant selling points. They will not make or brake it's success, but Nintendo will absolutely make a lot more money if it have BC, specially now with digital (since, in the past, limited shelf space means older games would eventually stop selling).

BowserIsMyFather said:
It would certainly make no sense when you consider the reports that they were allegedly struggling to get full BC on the new machine........
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Which reports?
All I've ever heard was Myamoto saying BC was easier than ever and MVG, a game developer, giving his opinion (not inside knowledge) that BC is totally possible but Nintendo could chose to patch select titles instead of putting the efforts like everyone else do nowadays (including NVidia with their GPU drivers).
 
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Armoured_Bear said:
I'd rather have a 3D Donkey Kong...
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If done right, yes, but I have more faith in Nintendo releasing a quality 2D Mario than a good 3D DK.

Also, the 3D DK rumours are blown way out of proportion, whereas 2D Mario within a few years is more of a certainty even without leaks or rumours.
 
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jaycie said:
DS was a fresh concept that was more than an iteration over the GBA yet it still had GBA backwards compatibility
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Initially. IIRC the DS lost the capability by the time it's refresh (DSi) was released.
RennanNT said:
Because:
  • Having a big library day 1.
  • Being able to sell all their evergreens without compromising their software output in order to port them.
  • Launch window including all future Switch games without requiring delay and port costs.
  • Being able to trade in without losing access to all your games
  • Potential tangible benefits for older games (CPU alone should grant better loading times).

Are all significant selling points. They will not make or brake it's success, but Nintendo will absolutely make a lot more money if it have BC, specially now with digital (since, in the past, limited shelf space means older games would eventually stop selling).


Which reports?
All I've ever heard was Myamoto saying BC was easier than ever and MVG, a game developer, giving his opinion (not inside knowledge) that BC is totally possible but Nintendo could chose to patch select titles instead of putting the efforts like everyone else do nowadays (including NVidia with their GPU drivers).
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Oh absolutely, and I do hope that they figure something out, but I don't think that it's at the forefront of their minds. I could of course be wrong, but everyone is speculating right now :)

Yeah, MVG was pretty much the source of the reports, and to be honest I don't know much about it all myself but it made sense to me. I don't know what the solution would be to all of that.
 
RennanNT said:
Because:
  • Being able to trade in without losing access to all your games
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This alone. I'm not a hoarder, I don't collect consoles. I play with the console i have. If they have BC then buying switch 2 is almost instantaneous (with totk patch) for me since i could sell my oled switch and all my digital games (100% of my games) would just be downloadable on the switch 2.

But without that one, i'm hesitant, why do i need 2 consoles, what do i do with my digital games. Sell them with the console, it doesn't even work, they are tied to my nintendo account. So i would need to transfer the account also to the person buying the console.

Nope, it will make everything a hassle and buying switch 2 would mean i need a surefire game to buy it. Like new zelda, not totk, but the next one, so 5 years?

I might understand if they do it, but from my perspective, with 100% games as digital, that would be monumentally stupid and make me seriously think why do i even buy any games (other than nintendo's own) on switch. And as a platform, it would make it so much more difficult to support buying any games anymore at all.

So if they don't have near 100% BC i'm reluctant to buy any game anymore on nintendo platform.
 
I don’t get why people think the Switch’s successor won’t be backwards compatible with its predecessor. Nintendo has always offered BC between generations. The only time this didn’t happen was the Wii U > Switch transition for obvious reasons. The only thing that should be up to debate is whether or not the Drake will upres previous gen titles, and whether or not it’ll be done natively by the console or via patches.

Hosermess said:
The overall thing I take away from it is that analysts are doing the same guessing we are, they just get paid for it.
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And YouTubers. Analysts are content creators, but for the investors crowd lol

jaycie said:
DS was a fresh concept that was more than an iteration over the GBA yet it still had GBA backwards compatibility
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I was thinking about this when I was writing this post. Then again, the NDS can be called a Double Game Boy xD

@Keviaar presents a looot of valid points:
RennanNT said:
Having a big library day 1.
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Exactly. Imagine paying for a $399 console, and only being able to play just a couple of games

RennanNT said:
Being able to sell all their evergreens without compromising their software output in order to port them.
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Exactly. If a Switch REDACTED purchaser is still to buy, for example, BOTW, they can do it, and thus, increase that game’s lifetime sales.

And something tells me that Nintendo will continue to support their Switch era evergreens for a looong time
 
BowserIsMyFather said:
Initially. IIRC the DS lost the capability by the time it's refresh (DSi) was released.


Oh absolutely, and I do hope that they figure something out, but I don't think that it's at the forefront of their minds. I could of course be wrong, but everyone is speculating right now :)

Yeah, MVG was pretty much the source of the reports, and to be honest I don't know much about it all myself but it made sense to me. I don't know what the solution would be to all of that.
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BC is absolutely at the forefront of their minds. It has been something they have been talking about for at least five years along, just not explicitly using the term BC, with NSO. It would also be very difficult to get people reinvested into the platform without BC in today’s marketplace.
 
Tentacle-tropes said:
BC is absolutely at the forefront of their minds. It has been something they have been talking about for at least five years along, just not explicitly using the term BC, with NSO. It would also be very difficult to get people reinvested into the platform without BC in today’s marketplace.
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I mean, I hope so. I just feel like there track record in that area has been hit and miss. The thought of playing my Wii games on Wii U was awful, such a cumbersome system.
 
BowserIsMyFather said:
I mean, I hope so. I just feel like there track record in that area has been hit and miss. The thought of playing my Wii games on Wii U was awful, such a cumbersome system.
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Nvidia would be responsible for the implementation, not Nintendo. Future BC was very likely was part of the deal since the beginning.
 
Hermii said:
Nvidia would be responsible for the implementation, not Nintendo. Future BC was very likely was part of the deal since the beginning.
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Agreed. Nintendo's main income stream is software, and with the DS line dead, all their chips are behind the Switch family, which is a terrifying prospect when it comes to introducing a new platform. But if the Successor has full BC, then all Switch software, old and new, is also Successor software, which eases the strategic burden of the transition considerably.

It would be wild if BC weren't at the front of their minds.
 
What do folks think about cross gen period? There were some good arguments for an extended cross gen period, like looking at what the competition has done and the statement about 10 years of support for Switch.

But as the release date for the succ slips farther away (even if it still somehow is late 2023), and the Switch's lifespan grows longer, do you think a cross gen period is less likely? It feels that way to me, but it's just vibes. I don't know.
 
Dizzle said:
What do folks think about cross gen period? There were some good arguments for an extended cross gen period, like looking at what the competition has done and the statement about 10 years of support for Switch.

But as the release date for the succ slips farther away (even if it still somehow is late 2023), and the Switch's lifespan grows longer, do you think a cross gen period is as likely? It feels that way to me, but it's just vibes. I don't know.
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I think cross gen titles are going to be more sparse than what some people expect/hope for.
 
BowserIsMyFather said:
Oh absolutely, and I do hope that they figure something out, but I don't think that it's at the forefront of their minds. I could of course be wrong, but everyone is speculating right now :)

Yeah, MVG was pretty much the source of the reports, and to be honest I don't know much about it all myself but it made sense to me. I don't know what the solution would be to all of that.
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MVG is more sold on a reclocked X1 still and is shaky on whether or not Drake is a thing for Nintendo specifically.
 
Alovon11 said:
Well, guess this is Schdoringer's console.
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Nice. That's why I wanted the exact quote. The devil is in the detail when it comes to corporate speech.

If they wanted to make reliable plans for investors with existing hardware while keeping a window to change course during the year, they wouldn't say otherwise.
 
CypressFX said:
When do we get the Q&A approximately?
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Last year it took 3 days (Tues earnings release - Fri Q&A): https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/news/index.html?year=2023
2021 it was the day after (Thu-Fri): https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/news/index.html?year=2022
2020 it was 8 days after (Thu-next Friday: Covid): https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/news/index.html?year=2021
2019 it was a couple weeks after (Apr 25 - May 8th: Golden Week was from April 27 to May 6): https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/news/index.html?year=2020
2018 it was a week after (Thu-Wed): https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/news/index.html?year=2019
2017 it was the next week (Thu-Mon): https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/news/index.html?year=2018
2016 it was the next week (Thu-Mon): https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/news/index.html?year=2017

edit: lol the very next post
 
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Looks like parsing through a DeepL translation will be rough from the quick look I had just now, but Furukawa's answer to Question 2 about the longer life cycle of the Switch contains the now infamous words:

Furukawa:
Six years have passed since the Nintendo Switch was launched, with cumulative sales of more than 120 million units. In the history of our game console business, there has never been a case where we forecast 15 million hardware units and 180 million software sales in the seventh year, and we believe that we are entering uncharted territory.
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Smash Kirby said:
He is dying on the hill that BC will be difficult on t239 and Nintendo won't bother if that is the case.
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At least it's not a Super Metal Dave/PlayerEssence NX type scenario for him I suppose, but I'd be interested to see other takes on the whole T239 scenario. Has anyone here convincingly refuted/rebuffed the belief that T239 would face difficulties in BC?
 
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