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The third-party software I'm aware of has been targeting 2022 -- not specifically exclusive.
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Alovon11
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But yeah, that does indicate a Fall 2022 target for "Optimized" games correct?
BlueManifest
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I can see the target being fall 2022 but actual release being early 2023
Just like how switch was targeting fall 2016 but released early 2017
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Devkit timing + Production of SoC timing + Aging of Samsung's 8nm Process + 2022 being a year filled with big games to launch a system with no real replacements for titles of that sort coming until 2026?
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Your evidence? We like to back up our theories here
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I know everyone bothers you. I also no there is only so much you can say. This third party game how would you rate it on a scale of importance and sales? I honestly want a trilogy of the Lara Craft games on switch. If I get that I’m good for the next year.
In your next podcast, would you be able to confirm or refute Bloomberg's report that the release of 4K model was postponed? And if indeed the case, are the developers frustrated by the delay? I'm asking because of the following passage in the Japanese version of Bloomberg report. Referring to the possibility of Nintendo further delaying or even canceling the product:
"複数のゲーム会社幹部は、もし発売が撤回されれば任天堂に対する信頼を損なうことになると述べた。"
[Google translation] "Several game company executives said that if the launch is withdrawn, it will undermine the trust in Nintendo."
Since this sentence is conspicuously missing from the English version, the source was probably Japanese. To me it sounds like a warning directed at Nintendo, and Mochizuki included it as a quid pro quo for these disgruntled developers.
Whatever the case was, I'm looking forward to your next epicode.
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Wait wait wait WHAT?
If that is true then NVIDIA really better convince Nintendo to hit 2022 as I doubt Dane as-is will release in 2023....
NateDrake
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I'd wager it's more a case of covering all possibilities since there are unknowns when it comes to the shortage.
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People keep blaming the shortages for possible delays in Nintendo's plans, and it might be.
But with all the shortages happening, isn't PS5 selling so far at a record pace (for a Playstation device), and that despite its price? Meaning that one can get along quite fine thank you coming out with a new console even with all the shortages happening. Sure Sony could have sold even more consoles, but so what, this is nothing new. Which makes me think shortages have nothing to do so far with whatever we are seeing happening (OLED) and not happening yet (DLSS Switch).
But with all the shortages happening, isn't PS5 selling so far at a record pace (for a Playstation device), and that despite its price? Meaning that one can get along quite fine thank you coming out with a new console even with all the shortages happening. Sure Sony could have sold even more consoles, but so what, this is nothing new. Which makes me think shortages have nothing to do so far with whatever we are seeing happening (OLED) and not happening yet (DLSS Switch).
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Well, I think the main shortage is wafer reservation.
I think the main thing is that NVIDIA and Nintendo couldn't get wafer-space to design/build Dane until late 2021/early 2022.
But either way, yeah even if the system is as rare as the PS5 is after launch, it will still sell like hotcakes.
And Nintendo would have even more volume of it as the system is smaller, likely cheaper to produce, and more SoCs can be produced in bulk.
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Maybe someone should message some of them on Twitter to explain why that doesn’t make sense.
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When did they do that?
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Nah, I would expect something in 2022 or 2023. Earlier is not happening. It depends on how Nintendo can deal with the chip shortage and if they change their internal plans even more.
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Yeah I don't see much of a compelling argument that shortages affected their plans much, if at all. Especially because Orin S was always going to be a 2022 part. But also as you said, it doesn't seem to be affecting Sony's (or Nintendo's for that matter) capacity to produce and ship record numbers of consoles.
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Yeah, it's kinda weird hearing "shortages" and "record breaking sales" happening at the same time.
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It's too weird hahaha
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There is a clear possible timeline coming together that I am not super happy with, but makes a lot of sense.
We get Aula this year, datamined ages ago.
Dane is leaked as an existing Orin configuration, but no Switch firmware reflects it.
Dane uses a new GPU stack that, according to some knowledgeable people, prohibits compatibility with Mariko.
Nintendo says that there are no 4K Switch development kits distributed, in opposition to leaks.
Assuming that everyone is telling the truth, which I recognize isn't necessary when Nintendo lies so often, Dane is best concluded to be an incompatible clean break system with new abilities that separate it from the original Switch. That would make the OLED model a New 2DS XL, a late model meant to lengthen the life of a replaced product. We'd probably see Mariko and Dane games for a few years as well, maybe even cross-gen ports.
I think that you've all rejected the notion of broken compatibility as well as the refutation by Nintendo, but this is my best attempt to reconcile everything that has been asserted.
We get Aula this year, datamined ages ago.
Dane is leaked as an existing Orin configuration, but no Switch firmware reflects it.
Dane uses a new GPU stack that, according to some knowledgeable people, prohibits compatibility with Mariko.
Nintendo says that there are no 4K Switch development kits distributed, in opposition to leaks.
Assuming that everyone is telling the truth, which I recognize isn't necessary when Nintendo lies so often, Dane is best concluded to be an incompatible clean break system with new abilities that separate it from the original Switch. That would make the OLED model a New 2DS XL, a late model meant to lengthen the life of a replaced product. We'd probably see Mariko and Dane games for a few years as well, maybe even cross-gen ports.
I think that you've all rejected the notion of broken compatibility as well as the refutation by Nintendo, but this is my best attempt to reconcile everything that has been asserted.
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Not saying that's impossible... but then how is Nintendo's still-recent "Switch is just entering the middle of its lifecycle" statement reconciled with that?
The shortage is real, but it's really more of a demand problem than a supply problem. The supply is roughly what it usually is, there's just no excess capacity to react with if you need more than you reserved ages ago.
I don't think it's necessarily wise to try to reconcile Nintendo's "denial" with anything.
Also several of us have spoken at length in the past about why we think SciresM's case against BC is at best overstated.
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It's still not really a shortage. Actually the entire "semiconductor shortage" we've been hearing about for a year now has never really been about a shortage, instead it has simply been about unprecedented demand for any and all consumer electronics, as you say.
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3DS got games for a few years after the launch of the Switch. If Dane is fall 2022, the Switch could get a few nominal games until fall 2024 or maybe 2025
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I'm sure many people here will heavily disagree with me, but considering the price of electronic components in general have increased 10% to 40%, especially with TSMC claiming that some companies are sitting on chip inventories, and I think it will be a very long while before the price of electronic components normalise, I can see the DLSS model* being priced in the range of $449.99 - $499.99, especially if the OLED model sells better than expected.
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Sadly nothing is a safe bet with Nintendo. They could very well do this and break from the switch. I think it would be the stupidest decision ever. The switch hybrid model is just so simple and easy to understand. They partnered with Nvidia who should be able to make a backward compatible solution for the next iteration of the console. Again nothing would surprise me with Nintendo. Sadly they have always had the cycle of good sales bad sales. That something comes from them making a very stupid decision. I was/am hoping they would avoid it this next to around. I guess we have to wait and see.
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To play devil's advocate, the DLSS model* could very well still be a hybrid console, but could be different from the Nintendo Switch in terms of the name (e.g. Super Nintendo Switch), similar to the SNES.
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Again we shall see. I just hope they don’t make stupid decisions that derail the next console sales wise. We went from Wii to Wii U because of dumb decision and it was a sales and brand disaster. I have no confidence they wouldn’t do something similar. Sadly Nintendo is their own worst enemy.
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Yeah, I think Nintendo will go with a $500 and $400 sku. The $400 model may be the break even or slight loss model and the $500 model is where they will make their profit. I can see the shipments being 70/30 in favor of the $500 model until the prices go down for components. It's going to sell out regardless if the upgrade is large enough, which it should be. I also think Nintendo should launch the next switch with a lite model or Tv only model at launch for $300 if they can afford to.
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I also think that's a possibility, especially with different internal flash storage configurations (e.g. $449.99 for 256 GB, $499.99 for 512 GB, etc.).
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I could see a 128GB model at 400$.
That way they get that "Magic Price" in technicality.
And they could recoup costs by switching from SD Cards to a dedicated external storage ala Series S|X memory cards?
Just conjecture though.
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That’s the one scary thing. If we are ever to get another COD on a Nintendo console they won’t be able to fit it on the cards. Still bugs me we haven’t gotten a modern warfare remaster.
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There’s no way they are going to make one of their most popular systems ever not compatible with their next system, no way
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Well, Valve was able to make the Steam Deck 400$ with all its stuff in it, but at 64GBs.
So Nintendo doing 128GB, but remove the SD Card Slot with something that would generate them profit in return sounds like a monetarily sound move to hit that "Penetration Price"
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this is being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic, since the GB(OG)/GCN they'e had backwards compatibility with the previous system from the successor regardless of changed for factor, why would they cut the games compatibility?
Other times they ditched the BC, like with the GCN and N64 and there was no point in having N64 BC when the system was difficult to develop for or too expensive.
And even hardware, they managed to have hardware compatibility with the previous system retaining DNA from it. Wii had the GCN ports, Wii U had the Wii sensor bar ports and accessory compatibility. GBA could play GB/C games, DS could play GB games, the 3DS playing the DS games.
It wasn’t until the Switch that they broke compatibility not only in hardware but in software, but breaking compatibility is not a norm from them with the previous system.
Be logical with the pessimism, not random for the sake of "because Nintendo" which goes against what you are arguing.
I really don’t think that even if they had the carts that were big enough that COD would be on the system, it's a politics issue more so than a size issue with AB and Nintendo.
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The difference is that there's still the option for consumer to add more storage via inserting a microSD card and/or inserting/upgrading the NVMe SSD for all Steam Deck options.
But in the scenario where the option for adding more storage via external flash storage is removed for the DLSS model*, it's impossible for the consumer to add more storage unless the consumer spends more money for the model with higher amounts of internal flash storage.
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I was saying that they remove the SD Card slot, and replace it with something that Nintendo would get a cut of sales from (IE: Like the Series S|X Memory cards)
That way they can sell the 128GB Model for 400$, and get more money, while also allowing for games to run at full storage speeds on those memory cards.
Because I don't think Nintendo is doing to shove a spare m.2 slot in the Switch.
And even if they did, they likely would make a form factor that Nintendo themselves mandate with SSD Producing companies.
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In the theoretical scenario that Nintendo uses UFS 3.1 for the internal flash storage, external flash storage options that are comparable to UFS 3.1 are expensive and/or consumes considerably more power and/or runs at higher temperatures, at the very least compared to standard microSD cards.
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This is something I considered earlier with some other online multiplayer games like Dead By Daylight. Wouldn't this be an excellent time to show off and make use of the cloud? The only drawback is that the game certainly couldn't run offline local multiplayer, but otherwise you'd have full graphical fidelity running the game from servers, a few hundred megabytes in storage for the launcher app, you're already connected online anyways with 64 player online or whatever the numbers are now, (now with a 1Gbit Ethernet port in the new dock and (potentially?) updated WiFi adapter in a Switch Succ for handheld/tabletop mode), game updates are also of little to no concern when they're implemented automatically on the servers and you don't have to wait hours to update, crossplay is more easily implemented when you're on PC servers and theoretically DLC can be transferred across accounts if you have multiple copies of the game across different platforms.
Realistically I'm not sure how much it would cost to put the game on the cloud rather than build a native port, but I guess the only consumer concern at that point is you're paying $80 for a digitally licensed game that will inevitably be made redundant by it's annualized sequel and server shut down in 8-10 years with dwindling player support, but I suppose that's expected and the price to pay when getting into CoD.
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Sorry but there is always a reason to be a little pessimistic with Nintendo. I personally could care less about BC. I’m always forward thinking in reference to software I like the new stuff. That’s just me though and I understand I don’t speak for everyone. Nintendo makes dumbfounded decision. For example look at their decision for switch to make voice chat only available through an app. Like someone thought that was a good idea. After it being standard for Wii U. There was no need for that but they did it. I love Nintendo as much as anyone but in doing so I care about their decision that can alienate not only gamers but publishers and developers. Hopefully there next console does more to keep with the standard and make it easy as possible for games to be made on it.
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My guess is that Nintendo was trying to avoid any controversy that would make Nintendo vulnerable to lawsuits, especially after two people in Japan were arrested for having two minors send nude photos via Swapnote.
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There are always going to be risk. This is the standard for video game and online chat. PCs, PlayStation, and Xbox all use it. They are going to have to put measures in place to try and catch and stop those type of things from happening. If that is even possible? Nintendo just always scares me when it’s time for them to release a brand new console.
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Only way to eliminate the risk is put an age limit that asks for proof of age on the messaging system.
Even then, that doesn’t stop other risks.
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Mike Heskin mentioned that RTD2172N can theoretically support upscaling up to 4K.
And I've found a blog post written in Chinese that mentions that RTD2172U, which I imagine is very similar to RTD2172N, supports HDMI 2.0b, which supports up to 4K 60 Hz, as well as HDR.
BlueManifest
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He saying it’s being used for the lan as in it can’t upscale and support the lan at the same time? Or can it do both and the upscale just isn’t turned on
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My guess is the latter, although I personally find it strange.
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