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Yeah. If a product is about to launch, it's logically the case that you slow down researching and developing because those are already done for the most part. It's all marketing from there on.
 
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Actually, there was one other thing in the Q&A:

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今後のハードウェア、ソフトウェアの価格戦略についても言及したうえで教えてほしい。
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Please tell us about your future hardware and software pricing strategy.​

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Nintendo Switch については、ビジネスを長期的に行っていく中で、できる限りハードウェア、ソフトウェアともに、価値と価格の維持を行ってきました。現時点でこの方針について変更が必要だとは考えていません。
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As for Nintendo Switch, we have maintained the value and price of both hardware and software as much as possible in our long-term business. We do not believe this policy should be changed at this time.​
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Furukawa says no price cuts.
 
Skittzo said:
IIRC it went down in late 2016 and early 2017 shortly before the Switch launched.
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but the switch launched at the end of the FY, so they did not expect it to make a big difference.
It would only make sense if the Successor is planned to launch either at the end of FY24 (so March 24) or if its next FY.
Or do you guys mean that theey differ between successor and Switch?
I expected it to be counted same as lite and OLED, as part of the family.
 
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Aether said:
but the switch launched at the end of the FY, so they did not expect it to make a big difference.
It would only make sense if the Successor is planned to launch either at the end of FY24 (so March 24) or if its next FY.
Or do you guys mean that theey differ between successor and Switch?
I expected it to be counted same as lite and OLED, as part of the family.
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This is about R&D spending, not the sales forecast.
 
Is the question and answer (Q&A) section of the financial report already published?
Where can I find it? Thank you
 
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mjayer said:
Nintendo will post a 3 minute long Switch 2 reveal video 6 hours before this direct. The Nintendo Direct will contain all game footage from the new console that releases alongside TOTK.


In the VERY UNLIKELY event that the above doesn't happen... well it's still possible an early Switch 2 release happens H1 this here... I think a key indicator will be what's in this show. If they do a full on TOTK blow out I think it makes it less likely. If this show is lame and doesn't have much hype then that makes it more likely. but...What do they have for 40 minutes of content though? Gotta quite a few new reveals?
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No switch reveal
 
oldpuck said:
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I did a similar thing but with one allowing months, March 2017 -> December 2022 brought it to 73. Who knows by May.
Hideki Yasuda by way of Mochizuki said:
"For next-gen console, Nintendo should release new hardware with new design once in every two years"
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That's a great suggestion for Nintendo. Let's also tell them to put Mario in sports games and see if they agree that's a good idea.
TR-808 said:
To be fair, $70 TOTK could be due to a bigger and/or faster cart. 32Mb games sold for $70 or more in the SNES days, maybe this one is 32-64GB. Do we have other examples of a higher price due to the cart size?
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The only major release 32GB game I know of in the U.S. is Witcher 3, which was standard $60. Now, if TOTK is the inaugural 64GB game, that'd be pretty hot.
 
This is rather curious. I would not be shocked if Switch 2 games retail at $70, once the precedent was set, all publishers were bound to follow suite. I did find it interesting that the eshop page that had the $69.99 price had a release date of just 2023 and not May 12, 2023. Could turn out to be nothing, but its certainly curious. Nearly 50% of games for Switch are now sold digitally, so the profit margins are better than ever. It would be odd to roll out a game late in the generation for a premium price for no real reason beyond "because we can." Would it hurt sales? I dont know, but waiting till the next generation for that software price hike seems more plausible.
 
I think it's stupid imo because pre orders have been up for a while at $60 and I did not pre order because a lack of information regarding the game. Now it seems that if it does launch at $70 I get punished because of my skepticism? Kinda lame.
Also the game seems to be reusing the game engine, assets, physics, and overworld map I don't see why it would be $70 other than greed
 
Goodtwin said:
This is rather curious. I would not be shocked if Switch 2 games retail at $70, once the precedent was set, all publishers were bound to follow suite. I did find it interesting that the eshop page that had the $69.99 price had a release date of just 2023 and not May 12, 2023.
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If you scroll down on the page, the text blurb reads "Look forward to Link’s massive adventure starting again when The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, the sequel to The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, drops for Nintendo Switch on May 12, 2023."

And in the details further down the page it says "Release date May 12, 2023" and in the "Coming Soon" section of the site it says "Available 05/12/2023".

There are other games that have release dates (and no option to pre-order) that have the grey box showing just "2023".
 
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Kazuyamishima said:
Also the game seems to be reusing the game engine, assets, physics, and overworld map I don't see why it would be $70 other than greed
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We don't know enough about the scope of the game yet. There's no reason to expect them to drop their previous engine and start entirely from scratch to 'justify' a pricepoint.
 
$70 for TOTK is cheeky but not totally unjustifiable. that's only the digital retail you can still pre-order a physical copy for under £50 here.

just over two hours before the Jensen Direct! 😁
 
Kazuyamishima said:
I think it's stupid imo because pre orders have been up for a while at $60 and I did not pre order because a lack of information regarding the game. Now it seems that if it does launch at $70 I get punished because of my skepticism? Kinda lame.
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It's not you getting punished for having to pay MSRP--it's retailers honoring $60 preorders who will be punished.
 
Direct starts with a black screen. THX music plays and slowly fades in, Killer Instinct announcer screams ULTRAAAAA. Jensen appears - you are about to enter the Next Generation of Handheld Gaming 🔥
 
Welp, time for me to go dark until after the Direct. I hope you all get something you truly want to see.
 
I do so much want for Nintendo to be crafty duplicitous gremlins, leaking false information surrounding the state of the new hardware, and letting us all be genuinely surprised when it is announced. But that’s fair bit too optimistic for me. Wishing everybody else luck - less than two hours to go.

As for me? Just give me Tears with decent IQ and good voicing. I’ll cope.
 
HankyPanky said:
Direct starts with a black screen. THX music plays and slowly fades in, Killer Instinct announcer screams ULTRAAAAA. Jensen appears - you are about to enter the Next Generation of Handheld Gaming 🔥
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it won't happen but I want it to happen.
 
karmitt said:
I do so much want for Nintendo to be crafty duplicitous gremlins, leaking false information surrounding the state of the new hardware, and letting us all be genuinely surprised when it is announced. But that’s fair bit too optimistic for me. Wishing everybody else luck - less than two hours to go.

As for me? Just give me Tears with decent IQ and good voicing. I’ll cope.
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Well, people are going to be genuinely surprised when it gets announced -- sometime later this year, after TotK's release.
 
mjayer said:
Nintendo will post a 3 minute long Switch 2 reveal video 6 hours before this direct. The Nintendo Direct will contain all game footage from the new console that releases alongside TOTK.


In the VERY UNLIKELY event that the above doesn't happen... well it's still possible an early Switch 2 release happens H1 this here... I think a key indicator will be what's in this show. If they do a full on TOTK blow out I think it makes it less likely. If this show is lame and doesn't have much hype then that makes it more likely. but...What do they have for 40 minutes of content though? Gotta quite a few new reveals?
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My megaton would be them doing the new TotK trailer, and when they have the Switch logo, have a Switch logo and a Switch 2 logo as well. Don't even highlight it or anything. Make it look like an oops. At the end of the whole direct announce a Switch 2 direct for tomorrow.

That would be some high quality fuckery.
 
Concernt said:
I have reason to doubt that.
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Doubt that people will be surprised? Or doubt that we'll get it announced later this year?

At least in this thread I kind of thought most had moved on, so seeing something end of the year shouldn't be much of a surprise.
 
If Nintendo were to announce the Switch 2 today, it would be the best kept secret they have ever had. I could even see something like showing off Zelda TotK and at the end, for everyone who purchases Zelda TotK digitally, they will get the 4K upgrade in November when Switch 2 launches. Say nothing more about Switch 2 other than they will have more to share at a later date. If somehow Switch 2 somehow releases alongside Zelda TotK, that would be the biggest mind job because there is so little reason to believe it could be here that soon with what we know, or dont know really. Regardless, I think we are going to see 2023 look just fine from a software perspective.
 
Kazuyamishima said:
I think it's stupid imo because pre orders have been up for a while at $60 and I did not pre order because a lack of information regarding the game. Now it seems that if it does launch at $70 I get punished because of my skepticism? Kinda lame.
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Nintendo didn't put it up for pre-order. Retailers did, betting that the price would be 60. If the game launches at $70, watch every single preorder get cancelled.

Kazuyamishima said:
Also the game seems to be reusing the game engine, assets, physics, and overworld map I don't see why it would be $70 other than greed
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If you think the game isn't worth $70, don't buy it. In the next two years I would bet on every AAA first party release from all three console makers to be $70+. Games have never been cheaper, and they've never been more expensive to make.

In 1986, the median US income was $29k a year, and the original Zelda was $50. TLoZ development took two years and a core team of 6 people.
In 2017, the median US income was $60k a year, and Breath of the Wild cost $60. BotW development took six years and a core team of 400+ people.
In 2022, the median US income was $70k a year.

The only way games have been getting bigger and bigger every year without going up much in price has been that gaming has become a larger and larger industry, leading to more and more sales. But sequels almost never do as well as the originals on the same console.

Tears of the Kingdom almost certainly cost more than Breath of the Wild to make, and will almost definitely do fewer sales, in a market where the dollar is worth less than it was 6 years ago, but the average gamer has more of them.

For the record: Games are fucking expensive. I have nothing but sympathy for fans of a franchise who worry about being able to afford to play the next game, and I think the tendency to make bigger and bigger games is bad, as it the tendency to make everything a homogenized corporate product that turns game play loops into mind-numbing gambling.

And yes, it is greed. Of course it's greed! It's fucking capitalism! It's the disgusting pursuit of perpetual growth till the bottom falls out. But a $70 shift for games is just economic inevitability, unless the whole industry - and the economic background - upends itself, fast.
 
oldpuck said:
Nintendo didn't put it up for pre-order. Retailers did, betting that the price would be 60. If the game launches at $70, watch every single preorder get cancelled.


If you think the game isn't worth $70, don't buy it. In the next two years I would bet on every AAA first party release from all three console makers to be $70+. Games have never been cheaper, and they've never been more expensive to make.

In 1986, the median US income was $29k a year, and the original Zelda was $50. TLoZ development took two years and a core team of 6 people.
In 2017, the median US income was $60k a year, and Breath of the Wild cost $60. BotW development took six years and a core team of 400+ people.
In 2022, the median US income was $70k a year.

The only way games have been getting bigger and bigger every year without going up much in price has been that gaming has become a larger and larger industry, leading to more and more sales. But sequels almost never do as well as the originals on the same console.

Tears of the Kingdom almost certainly cost more than Breath of the Wild to make, and will almost definitely do fewer sales, in a market where the dollar is worth less than it was 6 years ago, but the average gamer has more of them.

For the record: Games are fucking expensive. I have nothing but sympathy for fans of a franchise who worry about being able to afford to play the next game, and I think the tendency to make bigger and bigger games is bad, as it the tendency to make everything a homogenized corporate product that turns game play loops into mind-numbing gambling.

And yes, it is greed. Of course it's greed! It's fucking capitalism! It's the disgusting pursuit of perpetual growth till the bottom falls out. But a $70 shift for games is just economic inevitability, unless the whole industry - and the economic background - upends itself, fast.
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I am not going to buy it. I wouldn't care if it was for a new system and they started it there but it's fucked up to do it to a sequel.
 
Kazuyamishima said:
I am not going to buy it. I wouldn't care if it was for a new system and they started it there but it's fucked up to do it to a sequel.
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I've gotten to the point where I look at games as their price per hour of gameplay. Any game I get for under $1 an hour of gameplay is a magnificent deal.

Wonderlands cost me like $0.15 a hour to play.
 
Almost 80k viewers in the Youtube for the Direct that is 25 minutes away. Whether or not it's true, people expecting BOMBS I think.
 
In my country, people who spend thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a year on mobile games often say that games that cost $70 are expensive.

In other words, the psychology of people is that they are reluctant to spend money on a game without having played it, but once they play it and pay for it, they seem to be more generous.

And that's why Genshin is able to do like $4 billion in sales every year.
 
Well, thank god the new Switch was announced in this trailer, because we all know there was no way Switch could run Pikmin 4
 
oldpuck said:
Well, thank god the new Switch was announced in this trailer, because we all know there was no way Switch could run Pikmin 4
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You joke but how the fuck is Pikmin 4 looking as rough as Pikmin 3 which was supposedly ported over from that first Wii project?

This console needs a succ for real.
 
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