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Why are we only hearing this story of shelved hardware and recalled dev kits from Nate and John Linneman? This feels like a huge story that would be picked up by Bloomberg or WSJ.

Edit: lol people pointed this out already my bad
 
Hush said:
I listened to the whole thing but.... what exactly was meant to be new with it? We just heard reports the 2021 devkit hardware was cancelled and Nate says ¨I heard early last year it was cancelled¨ which at that point would have been news. Why wasnt that shared in early 2022 and only right after someone reported it first?
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Raccoon said:
not sure if @John_DF is actually John DF but his (your?) idea for being able to see a shitload of Splatoon matches live from a hub is fucking dope, that's the sort of power speculation I really enjoy
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I am not from Digital Foundry, I think I need a name change to avoid confusion (who should I request it btw), I'm just a regular guy who likes Nintendo.
 
General_Kenobi said:
Its Nintendos approach of things. Dont believe they will survive long after the Switch no matter what Next Gen is….
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I guess you missed the report of Nintendo being able to have multiple Wii U level failures and still staying afloat (Which was reported before the Switch became a huge success).
 
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General_Kenobi said:
He doesnt backtrack at all, Switch Pro existed.

Its Nintendos approach of things. Dont believe they will survive long after the Switch no matter what Next Gen is….
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Holy hyperbole. Nintendo had enough money during the Wii U to survive another Wii U-like failure. Now with the success of the Switch, and them branching out into being multimedia, I can't see them just vanishing, especially if the movies and theme parks are successful.

If Nate's info ends up being accurate, I'll be upset, but I can't see a late/outdated Switch 2 being what kills Nintendo.
 
The next gen isn't going to fail in the slightest, especially if it's buffed to compensate. The issue will be the Switch and how they will massacre it in the meantime.
 
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Selarmor said:
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in, but this just doesn't sound possible.

Drake was designed to power a Switch-like device to release in 2023.

If it was cancelled in 2022, it would mean either:
1. They're designing a new chip for a new device, which would not be possible by 2024/2025.
2. They're still using Drake, but for a new device. So they're going to use a chip designed for a new Switch for something that isn't a Switch, or the device is still essentially a new Switch, but got pushed back 2 years for... reasons?
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I guess if we were to believe all of this, maybe they are moving to a smaller node? That would be a quicker turnaround with similar dev kits going back out? Who knows.

Or Nintendo pulled dev kits from certain companies they believe were leaking? Or a lot of this has been bunk and/or bad reporting, and we are now being backfilled with speculation to try to align stuff that was said previously that no longer makes sense.

If Nintendo truly had devs working on software for that long, and then pulled the plug, abruptly, that's seems pretty ugly, and unprecedented I think. At least to my knowledge.

Like I've said though, what Nate is saying is eerily similar to the SNES CD. Stringing devs along for while, having them develop games for the system, then pulling the plug in favor of the N64.
 
Between Nintendo going under, never relasing a succesor, going full mobile, third parties completely abandoning them and first party games looking worse and worse, this thread has become unredeable.
 
Selarmor said:
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in, but this just doesn't sound possible.

Drake was designed to power a Switch-like device to release in 2023.

If it was cancelled in 2022, it would mean either:
1. They're designing a new chip for a new device, which would not be possible by 2024/2025.
2. They're still using Drake, but for a new device. So they're going to use a chip designed for a new Switch for something that isn't a Switch, or the device is still essentially a new Switch, but got pushed back 2 years for... reasons?
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It really doesn't make any sense does it? Either 1 is true and 2025 is actually wishful thinking.. or 2 is true and we're just getting inaccurate information from the leakers.
 
Raccoon said:
yeah, last year was 2015, now we've got two 2016s ahead of us


yep, I'm very curious to watch how exactly they choose to coast. old shit year sounds like a good approach
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if its mostly ports, then my gaming will really slow down (except for a handfull of indie releases).
Pokemaniac said:
If there were actually devkits out for a substantial period of time that were just recalled with nothing to replace them, that feels like it should have been a much bigger story.
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yeah, true. you dont just...take dev kits, you replace them with the next version, and so forth till its time. taking them away, leaving the devs with nothing till months or even half a year later screams "stop developing for our platform and use your time for something else"... or such a massive change in plans, that they really dont see a point in progressing what was done with the old devkit...
Raccoon said:
this is a good point. as I said earlier the most impressive downports, skyrim and the new dooms, came from a company that has since been swallowed up by the kraken
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a ton of third party games where ports, remasters, remakes, and while there are still a ton that can be ported (stuff like konamis whole catalog), there is a limit of whats there that would sell great as a port from the ps3 to early ps4 generation. bethesta could have ported the fallout series as an example, but thats done for.
this reminds me...wherent there rumors about Halo on switch?
 
mjayer said:
It really doesn't make any sense does it? Either 1 is true and 2025 is actually wishful thinking.. or 2 is true and we're just getting inaccurate information from the leakers.
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I'm going for the 2nd, the whole dilemma is way too strange right now. Besides, we still got a direct before ToTK to go.
 
Raccoon said:
the part I'm at says it's not uncommon, so I imagine it's not as though software development got very far
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Listened to the whole thing and there are 5 pages of replies to catch up on lol but wanted to say I get the feeling they oversold on just how "not uncommon" this sort of thing is. MVG said 'it's not surprising' to him. I mean, it's happened in the past, but I don't exactly think it's a common occurrence. but, they do know more than me so I guess I should take their word for it ha
 
Linkie3 said:
If i have to wait a year to play Zelda in 4K, i gonna make sure i play it in 4K with other means (I'm still gonna buy te game for the Switch, but not gonna play it on the Switch).
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Edit: nothing against you mate, but I've read so many times now that people emulate switch games 🥴
 
General_Kenobi said:
He doesnt backtrack at all, Switch Pro existed.

Its Nintendos approach of things. Dont believe they will survive long after the Switch no matter what Next Gen is….
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So long as Nintendo has a console with Mario/Kart, Zelda, Smash, Animal Crossing, Pokémon, and Splatoon, they’ll practically never be under the threat of going out of business. A console with those titles simply will not fail at this point. Wii-U was missing a good chunk of these and was effectively competing and losing against the 3DS in offering quality Nintendo games which I’d argue was one of if not the main reason it failed. 3DS had a lot going against it and still ended up pretty successful because of the games. People want Nintendo games if there’s only one platform to get them on they are going to buy it.
 
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in summary, Nintendo isn't doomed, third parties that were making games for this piece of shit aren't doomed, and the industry isn't doomed

at worst I personally am doomed
 
Instro said:
I guess if we were to believe all of this, maybe they are moving to a smaller node? That would be a quicker turnaround with similar dev kits going back out? Who knows.

Or Nintendo pulled dev kits from certain companies they believe were leaking? Or a lot of this has been bunk and/or bad reporting, and we are now being backfilled with speculation to try to align stuff that was said previously that no longer makes sense.

If Nintendo truly had devs working on software for that long, and then pulled the plug, abruptly, that's seems pretty ugly, and unprecedented I think. At least to my knowledge.

Like I've said though, what Nate is saying is eerily similar to the SNES CD. Stringing devs along for while, having them develop games for the system, then pulling the plug in favor of the N64.
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Disregarding the feasibility of moving to a smaller process in < 2 years (I have no idea), I would think doing so would be for the purpose of battery life. I don't see why that would necessitate a "cancellation" and revoking devkits. Nothing would change from the perspective of the game developers.

And again, I've little knowledge of the industry, but I have to imagine if a device is at the point where a dozen+ third party developers are actively spending money to port games to it, it's beyond the point where an outright cancellation is a feasible possibility.
 
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Dark Cloud said:
Yeah I was surprised to hear Nate said he heard this in mid 2022 that the devkits were possibly canned he heard. But I can’t remember if Nate starting hinting or anything to anyone that he heard it was possibly canned back in summer 2022.

He has said he’s wanted to wait to get the right info and I think permission to talk.
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Thats the thing, there was nothing to signal that he heard anything disappointing or contradictory to what was reported earlier, and has been actively engaged with news and comments within gaming communities. To drop something that big only after someone else said it just rubs me the wrong way. Like if Nate did in fact hear that early last year that is fine, but to share it now and say ¨Oh I heard that almost a year ago¨ just feels like piggybacking off a report and displacing the time where it was heard so long ago now it cant really be piggybacking.
 
niconiconick64 said:
This podcast was depressing to say the least. "Mid 2024" "Late 2024" "Maybe even early 2025".
I give up.
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giving up is straight up the right thing to do at this point. the leak haters were right, following early developments is a crapshoot

I think if we get a non-Nintendo Drake product this year even the technically minded will agree
 
To the tune of Jolene:

Switch 2, Switch 2, Switch 2, Switch 2
I’m begging of you please don’t get delayed
Switch 2, Switch 2, Switch 2, Switch 2
Don’t take 3 years just because you can

My Joy Cons drift beyond control,
The right one can’t connect at all,
And dear God what is up with Game Freak’s tech?
You run at 15 fps,
Your aliasing is a mess,
And I just bought a shiny new Steam Deck

Switch 2, Switch 2, Switch 2, Switch 2
I’m begging of you please don’t get delayed
Switch 2, Switch 2, Switch 2, Switch 2
Don’t take 3 years just because you can
 
Hush said:
Thats the thing, there was nothing to signal that he heard anything disappointing or contradictory to what was reported earlier, and has been actively engaged with news and comments within gaming communities. To drop something that big only after someone else said it just rubs me the wrong way. Like if Nate did in fact hear that early last year that is fine, but to share it now and say ¨Oh I heard that almost a year ago¨ just feels like piggybacking off a report and displacing the time where it was heard so long ago now it cant really be piggybacking.
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I totally believe him based on how weird he got about it after the summer

significant movements, then silence? sounds like the significant movements came from a decision to change course
 
Does no one else find this whole thing strange?? Nate said he heard in SUMMER 2022 this thing was basically canned/taken from devs. That was way back in summer after MVG heard devs were working on it in March 2022. So Wth has been going on since summer to now? Developers just have nothing to work on from Nintendo since summer to now? That seems to make no sense to me.
 
Selarmor said:
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in, but this just doesn't sound possible.

Drake was designed to power a Switch-like device to release in 2023.

If it was cancelled in 2022, it would mean either:
1. They're designing a new chip for a new device, which would not be possible by 2024/2025.
2. They're still using Drake, but for a new device. So they're going to use a chip designed for a new Switch for something that isn't a Switch, or the device is still essentially a new Switch, but got pushed back 2 years for... reasons?
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Or super unlikely plot twist Drake was cancelled and work on a new mystery chip started in 2020/2021 for some reason. I mean we still don't what the switch pro was using if it wasn't drake
 
I haven't finished listening to the Podcast yet, but from what I'm hearing here it looks like Late 2024 - Early 2025 is a likely scenario now. My bet on Late 2024.

Positives from this:
  • Better hardware overall than if it were to release within the next few months.
  • More devs likely to make Switch 2 exclusive projects resulting in more advanced games overall.
  • Stronger launch lineup?
  • More memes?

Negatives from this:
  • It's feels like it's been 3000 years.
  • Third Party support will continue to dwindle.
  • Exclusive games likely to continue struggling against and limiting overall vision due to hardware limitations (Bowsers Fury, Bayo 3, Pokemon S/V (sorta), etc.)

Now there's a possibility all of this ends up being wrong and Nintendo releases Drake this year still, but that's just me coping I'm sure. Some missed opportunities launching with an ambitious new Zelda title, but hopefully this means that Tears of the Kingdom will be a rock solid Switch game. Still of the same opinion I had previous to this report that if this system doesn't launch by Holiday 2024, Nintendo is out of their mind.

Nintendo is doomed
 
chocolate_supra said:
Which year was it where it was being said that studios wanted to show off their Switch 2 games at E3 and so Nintendo was likely to announce the hardware shortly before the event? Had to be 2021 because there was no E3 in 22, right?

I can understand and accept that all the "devs have devkits" talk from years ago was from a kit in an early testing phase and the machine those kits was for got scrapped but I have a hard time then fitting in the stories about devs chomping at the bit to show their games off on this thing like they're almost ready to release.
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Also, Nate said in his podcast in Oct 2021 that dev(s) were told a target window of late 2022. And dev(s) were working on Drake exclusives.

I guess, sucks to be them.
 
Raccoon said:
I totally believe him based on how weird he got about it after the summer

significant movements, then silence? sounds like the significant movements came from a decision to change course
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Was ¨significant movements¨ his own words? Because I dont know anyone who would interpret that as anything bad if it was meant to signal disappointment.
 
It's been less confusing for me to imagine that the only Pro device that was shelved was an upclocked Mariko, that the only 4K DLSS devkits were Drake which we know from the files to have started in 2019-2020, and based on NVN2 data/Linux commits/LinkedIn has been in development throughout 2022. Maybe third party devs were given a hardware approximation at first which might have been replaced with closer to target hardware.

Some other DLSS hardware that was canned early last year so close to the same time Drake was in development and there not being much reporting around this kind of move by Nintendo feels like some errant puzzle piece refusing to fit in.
 
Sorry, I could not follow. Could you explain to me in which scenario we are?

A) Drake Switch was the "hardware refresh" scheduled for 2023 and then cancelled, and now we are waiting for a different hardware (maybe between 2024 and 2025).

B) Drake Switch will be out in several months (maybe between 2024 and 2025) and Nate got confused when he thought that the canceled refresh (overclocked Mariko?) was Drake.

C) Drake Switch was thought of as a refresh, but now it has become a real successor that will come out later (maybe between 2024 and 2025)
 
Goblin_knight said:
Or super unlikely plot twist Drake was cancelled and work on a new mystery chip started in 2020/2021 for some reason. I mean we still don't what the switch pro was using if it wasn't drake
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We know from leaks and Linux commits it was being worked on in early 2022.

So for this to fly Nvidia would have to have repurposed it for something.
 
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After all this waiting and speculating I think I need to take a break from Nintendo rumors and speculations o_O
 
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all of this info just doesn't mesh well with the fact that i got my switch 2 press copy last week
 
ITSMILNER said:
Won’t someone please think of the funcles! They are still working on building consoles that has been canned!!
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beyond all the stages of grief a glimpse of nivrana for those who reach the Uncle stage.

if Nintendo isn't going to make a new Switch the Uncles will do it themselves. from pure blood, sweat & T239s.
 
HankyPanky said:
beyond all the stages of grief a glimpse of nivrana for those who reach the Uncle stage.

if Nintendo isn't going to make a new Switch the Uncles will make it themselves. from pure blood, sweat & T239s.
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be the uncle you want to see in the world
 
I find it funny that the one piece of information that could bring a little clarity is the one thing we might never get ie what the switch pro was LUL
 
If devs were told to target Late 2022 for the new console but dev kits were pulled early-mid 2022 then you would imagine exclusives would have been further along than what’s been suggested today
 
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