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And in that vein I doubt this thing was cancelled, hahahaI still would have expected more reporting about frustrated devs who spent time coding on devkits for a canned device.
And in that vein I doubt this thing was cancelled, hahahaI still would have expected more reporting about frustrated devs who spent time coding on devkits for a canned device.
I listened to the whole thing but.... what exactly was meant to be new with it? We just heard reports the 2021 devkit hardware was cancelled and Nate says ¨I heard early last year it was cancelled¨ which at that point would have been news. Why wasnt that shared in early 2022 and only right after someone reported it first?
not sure if @John_DF is actually John DF but his (your?) idea for being able to see a shitload of Splatoon matches live from a hub is fucking dope, that's the sort of power speculation I really enjoy
I guess you missed the report of Nintendo being able to have multiple Wii U level failures and still staying afloat (Which was reported before the Switch became a huge success).Its Nintendos approach of things. Dont believe they will survive long after the Switch no matter what Next Gen is….
Holy hyperbole. Nintendo had enough money during the Wii U to survive another Wii U-like failure. Now with the success of the Switch, and them branching out into being multimedia, I can't see them just vanishing, especially if the movies and theme parks are successful.He doesnt backtrack at all, Switch Pro existed.
Its Nintendos approach of things. Dont believe they will survive long after the Switch no matter what Next Gen is….
Low effort troll, third parties dissatisfied with the TX1 can, will and have skipped Switch. Try harderI feel bad for third party devs.
You can request a username change by making a ticket.I am not from Digital Foundry, I think I need a name change to avoid confusion (who should I request it btw), I'm just a regular guy who likes Nintendo.
I guess if we were to believe all of this, maybe they are moving to a smaller node? That would be a quicker turnaround with similar dev kits going back out? Who knows.Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in, but this just doesn't sound possible.
Drake was designed to power a Switch-like device to release in 2023.
If it was cancelled in 2022, it would mean either:
1. They're designing a new chip for a new device, which would not be possible by 2024/2025.
2. They're still using Drake, but for a new device. So they're going to use a chip designed for a new Switch for something that isn't a Switch, or the device is still essentially a new Switch, but got pushed back 2 years for... reasons?
yeah, they don't think about Nintendo at all lmaoLow effort troll, third parties dissatisfied with the TX1 can, will and have skipped Switch. Try harder
It really doesn't make any sense does it? Either 1 is true and 2025 is actually wishful thinking.. or 2 is true and we're just getting inaccurate information from the leakers.Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in, but this just doesn't sound possible.
Drake was designed to power a Switch-like device to release in 2023.
If it was cancelled in 2022, it would mean either:
1. They're designing a new chip for a new device, which would not be possible by 2024/2025.
2. They're still using Drake, but for a new device. So they're going to use a chip designed for a new Switch for something that isn't a Switch, or the device is still essentially a new Switch, but got pushed back 2 years for... reasons?
if its mostly ports, then my gaming will really slow down (except for a handfull of indie releases).yeah, last year was 2015, now we've got two 2016s ahead of us
yep, I'm very curious to watch how exactly they choose to coast. old shit year sounds like a good approach
yeah, true. you dont just...take dev kits, you replace them with the next version, and so forth till its time. taking them away, leaving the devs with nothing till months or even half a year later screams "stop developing for our platform and use your time for something else"... or such a massive change in plans, that they really dont see a point in progressing what was done with the old devkit...If there were actually devkits out for a substantial period of time that were just recalled with nothing to replace them, that feels like it should have been a much bigger story.
a ton of third party games where ports, remasters, remakes, and while there are still a ton that can be ported (stuff like konamis whole catalog), there is a limit of whats there that would sell great as a port from the ps3 to early ps4 generation. bethesta could have ported the fallout series as an example, but thats done for.this is a good point. as I said earlier the most impressive downports, skyrim and the new dooms, came from a company that has since been swallowed up by the kraken
I'm going for the 2nd, the whole dilemma is way too strange right now. Besides, we still got a direct before ToTK to go.It really doesn't make any sense does it? Either 1 is true and 2025 is actually wishful thinking.. or 2 is true and we're just getting inaccurate information from the leakers.
the part I'm at says it's not uncommon, so I imagine it's not as though software development got very far
you can just @ meSomeone reach out to Zynga
If i have to wait a year to play Zelda in 4K, i gonna make sure i play it in 4K with other means (I'm still gonna buy te game for the Switch, but not gonna play it on the Switch).
So long as Nintendo has a console with Mario/Kart, Zelda, Smash, Animal Crossing, Pokémon, and Splatoon, they’ll practically never be under the threat of going out of business. A console with those titles simply will not fail at this point. Wii-U was missing a good chunk of these and was effectively competing and losing against the 3DS in offering quality Nintendo games which I’d argue was one of if not the main reason it failed. 3DS had a lot going against it and still ended up pretty successful because of the games. People want Nintendo games if there’s only one platform to get them on they are going to buy it.He doesnt backtrack at all, Switch Pro existed.
Its Nintendos approach of things. Dont believe they will survive long after the Switch no matter what Next Gen is….
Disregarding the feasibility of moving to a smaller process in < 2 years (I have no idea), I would think doing so would be for the purpose of battery life. I don't see why that would necessitate a "cancellation" and revoking devkits. Nothing would change from the perspective of the game developers.I guess if we were to believe all of this, maybe they are moving to a smaller node? That would be a quicker turnaround with similar dev kits going back out? Who knows.
Or Nintendo pulled dev kits from certain companies they believe were leaking? Or a lot of this has been bunk and/or bad reporting, and we are now being backfilled with speculation to try to align stuff that was said previously that no longer makes sense.
If Nintendo truly had devs working on software for that long, and then pulled the plug, abruptly, that's seems pretty ugly, and unprecedented I think. At least to my knowledge.
Like I've said though, what Nate is saying is eerily similar to the SNES CD. Stringing devs along for while, having them develop games for the system, then pulling the plug in favor of the N64.
Raccoomedin summary, Nintendo isn't doomed, third parties that were making games for this piece of shit aren't doomed, and the industry isn't doomed
at worst I personally am doomed
Yeah I was surprised to hear Nate said he heard this in mid 2022 that the devkits were possibly canned he heard. But I can’t remember if Nate starting hinting or anything to anyone that he heard it was possibly canned back in summer 2022.
He has said he’s wanted to wait to get the right info and I think permission to talk.
giving up is straight up the right thing to do at this point. the leak haters were right, following early developments is a crapshootThis podcast was depressing to say the least. "Mid 2024" "Late 2024" "Maybe even early 2025".
I give up.
I totally believe him based on how weird he got about it after the summerThats the thing, there was nothing to signal that he heard anything disappointing or contradictory to what was reported earlier, and has been actively engaged with news and comments within gaming communities. To drop something that big only after someone else said it just rubs me the wrong way. Like if Nate did in fact hear that early last year that is fine, but to share it now and say ¨Oh I heard that almost a year ago¨ just feels like piggybacking off a report and displacing the time where it was heard so long ago now it cant really be piggybacking.
He was still adamant, but he requested an account deletion after a lot of people were going after Nate which he didn't like at all.Didn't know Polygon deleted his account. He looked so adamant on a May 23 release (he was my hope )
If I remember correctly, he deleted the account due to the harassment and demolition that certain users were doing to him and nate.Didn't know Polygon deleted his account. He looked so adamant on a May 23 release (he was my hope )
Or super unlikely plot twist Drake was cancelled and work on a new mystery chip started in 2020/2021 for some reason. I mean we still don't what the switch pro was using if it wasn't drakeHopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in, but this just doesn't sound possible.
Drake was designed to power a Switch-like device to release in 2023.
If it was cancelled in 2022, it would mean either:
1. They're designing a new chip for a new device, which would not be possible by 2024/2025.
2. They're still using Drake, but for a new device. So they're going to use a chip designed for a new Switch for something that isn't a Switch, or the device is still essentially a new Switch, but got pushed back 2 years for... reasons?
Which year was it where it was being said that studios wanted to show off their Switch 2 games at E3 and so Nintendo was likely to announce the hardware shortly before the event? Had to be 2021 because there was no E3 in 22, right?
I can understand and accept that all the "devs have devkits" talk from years ago was from a kit in an early testing phase and the machine those kits was for got scrapped but I have a hard time then fitting in the stories about devs chomping at the bit to show their games off on this thing like they're almost ready to release.
I totally believe him based on how weird he got about it after the summer
significant movements, then silence? sounds like the significant movements came from a decision to change course
We know from leaks and Linux commits it was being worked on in early 2022.Or super unlikely plot twist Drake was cancelled and work on a new mystery chip started in 2020/2021 for some reason. I mean we still don't what the switch pro was using if it wasn't drake
beyond all the stages of grief a glimpse of nivrana for those who reach the Uncle stage.Won’t someone please think of the funcles! They are still working on building consoles that has been canned!!
be the uncle you want to see in the worldbeyond all the stages of grief a glimpse of nivrana for those who reach the Uncle stage.
if Nintendo isn't going to make a new Switch the Uncles will make it themselves. from pure blood, sweat & T239s.
basedall of this info just doesn't mesh well with the fact that i got my switch 2 press copy last week