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Raccoon said:
but they seem to be implying things were very early along and that window was accepted as a tentative one
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nVidia wouldn't be adding stuff to the official, open source and open viewable Linux Kernel if it was either still up to two years off or if said hardware's main (and maybe at this point only) usage has been cancelled already.

Just my two cents as someone who does lead a pack of coders, not in games development, mind you.
 
Bonejack said:
nVidia wouldn't be adding stuff to the official, open source and open viewable Linux Kernel if it was either still up to two years off or if said hardware's main (and maybe at this point only) usage has been cancelled already.

Just my two cents as someone who does lead a pack of coders, not in games development, mind you.
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the missing piece could be another product repurposing drake. for some reason we haven't seen it yet but I'm feeling confident that we will relatively soon
 
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FFS, I would settle with a Lite OLED this year since my two AC chargers practically died for some reason and I don't want to buy a regular OLED model because it just misses the point.
 
Wait for spring Direct -> No announcement? Move on to summer.
Wait for summer Direct -> No announcement? Move on to autumn.
Wait for autumn Direct -> No announcement? Move on to 2024.
Etc...
 
Skittzo said:
I'm wondering if there really is a big legal issue in covering the NVN2 stuff.
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The NVN2 stuff is from the hack right? I could see there being a legal notice from nVidia to not report on stolen, still officially classified info.

But there shouldn't be any legal problem reporting about the other info, like the Linux Kernel stuff. That is open source.
 
not sure if @John_DF is actually John DF but his (your?) idea for being able to see a shitload of Splatoon matches live from a hub is fucking dope, that's the sort of power speculation I really enjoy
 
Bonejack said:
The NVN2 stuff is from the hack right? I could see there being a legal notice from nVidia to not report on stolen, still officially classified info.

But there shouldn't be any legal problem reporting about the other info, like the Linux Kernel stuff. That is open source.
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I'm inclined to agree, but the entire reason we know what the Linux Kernel stuff relates to is because of said hack. While NVN2 stuff is 100% illegal, I'd imagine the T239 Linux Kernel stuff is a bit muddier, but people wouldn't want to risk it all the same.

As somebody with zero legal insight, this could - and probably is - just me coping.
 
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Maybe already posted some pages back, but a Nintendo image upscaling patent was published earlier today. It might be similar to a past image upscaling patent though.
 
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Bonejack said:
Hey, just a suggestion, maybe if people would treat the stuff from the podcast as what it is -> Speculation <- instead of a fact, the truth, confirmed and whatever, there won't be any hyperbolic reactions, including against those who reported on Drake stuff so far.

What do you say?
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totally. I respect nate, but this really just feels like backtracking/damage control after it seems that their info was not quite right, with a lot of speculation that way more conservative.
I disagree with some of their reasoning. i totally see early 2024 being an option, but late 2024 to 2025 is just way to far out there in my book.
The ways prior generations have done stuff does not work with the long development times (and fast hardware turnaround) of the current tech reality. Software takes forever, and hardware iterates yearly (or in the console space every handful of years).
and people talking on the one hand that we will have a "quiet year" while not releasing new software till late 2024 would be ... as if they are trying to reinact the Wii --> Wii U move.
 
In the end, all the video says is - what we new might have been right once but we don't know what happened, and know we have no clue what's going to happen. Right?

So we can just speculate, and then it's anywhere between end of this year and early 25. What else.
 
Which year was it where it was being said that studios wanted to show off their Switch 2 games at E3 and so Nintendo was likely to announce the hardware shortly before the event? Had to be 2021 because there was no E3 in 22, right?

I can understand and accept that all the "devs have devkits" talk from years ago was from a kit in an early testing phase and the machine those kits was for got scrapped but I have a hard time then fitting in the stories about devs chomping at the bit to show their games off on this thing like they're almost ready to release.
 
Random thoughts, but I could see Nintendo doing unexpected things to 'compensate'.
After all we waited years to have "folders" and new themes.

There's still a world where they decide to, somehow, allow some Mariko overclock though an update that would only be available on OLED models, showing some performance improvements in some games (look Xenoblade 1/2/3 at 60fps now!). Not on V2 models which are too similar to Erista models to avoid confusion.
Maybe as a bonus fos NSO subscribers.
Or as a new TV-only model special feature that would be at least 4K compatible - which could also happen on OLED docks through an update, because we still don't know why that thing has an update option (or I forgot about it).

4K output wouldn't bring much improvements (if any) by itself, but still be technically better to avoid double upscale (from console then TV) on sub 1080p games, which are a lot; but maybe not as many if overclock allows for resolution boosts as well?
It'd make sense to market those improvements along with the "4K" term.

I don't know. Sometimes random Nintendo does cool things.
In any case I still think we're not ready for how amazing Zelda will be.
 
@NateDrake, I'm curious why you say (edit: or perhaps moreso imply) that it would be a bad thing for people not to believe reports later this year or in 2024. Wouldn't it be a good thing if the average person went back to disregarding leaks and industry reporting while only people to whom it is pertinent pay attention?
 
L_esson said:
Random thoughts, but I could see Nintendo doing unexpected things to 'compensate'.
After all we waited years to have "folders" and new themes.

There's still a world where they decide to, somehow, allow some Mariko overclock though an update that would only be available on OLED models, showing some performance improvements in some games (look Xenoblade 1/2/3 at 60fps now!). Not on V2 models which are too similar to Erista models to avoid confusion.
Maybe as a bonus fos NSO subscribers.
Or as a new TV-only model special feature that would be at least 4K compatible - which could also happen on OLED docks through an update, because we still don't know why that thing has an update option (or I forgot about it).

4K output wouldn't bring much improvements (if any) by itself, but still be technically better to avoid double upscale (from console then TV) on sub 1080p games, which are a lot; but maybe not as many if overclock allows for resolution boosts as well?
It'd make sense to market those improvements along with the "4K" term.

I don't know. Sometimes random Nintendo does cool things.
In any case I still think we're not ready for how amazing Zelda will be.
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I don't think this will happen at all and is unrealistic unfortunately. Overclocking would drain these old batteries insanely fast and the heat output would be far to much on old thermal paste and would not be good for these aging systems
 
Shiba said:
I feel bad for third party devs.
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Yup, it would suck if Nintendo is again a full generation behind. An earlier release like this year would at least level the performance gap somewhat between Series X, PS5, and Switch so the Switch wouldn't have to suffer heavily compromised ports or not get any at all. I would also love to see first-party games get more room to play with in terms of visual expression.

Ah well, games keep on releasing regardless, and that's what matters the most.
 
Bonejack said:
The NVN2 stuff is from the hack right? I could see there being a legal notice from nVidia to not report on stolen, still officially classified info.

But there shouldn't be any legal problem reporting about the other info, like the Linux Kernel stuff. That is open source.
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I assumed legal issues at first , but Rich's DF article goes into more detail about the NVN2 data:

"The so-called T239 variant is now confirmed as real with mooted specs including eight ARM A78AE CPU cores, a 128-bit memory bus and a GPU based on the RTX 3000-series Ampere architecture with 1536 CUDA cores. "

Maybe there's a limit to how much in detail they can go, I have no clue.

I still think there is a gap between the conclusions drawn from this leaked info and a late 2024/early 2025 date, and I'm skeptical of another device using T239 in 2023.
 
Kazuyamishima said:
I don't think this will happen at all and is unrealistic unfortunately. Overclocking would drain these old batteries insanely fast and the heat output would be far to much on old thermal paste and would not be good for these aging systems
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I should have specified, only for TV mode and never in handheld mode.
 
Serif said:
I assumed legal issues at first , but Rich's DF article goes into more detail about the NVN2 data:

"The so-called T239 variant is now confirmed as real with mooted specs including eight ARM A78AE CPU cores, a 128-bit memory bus and a GPU based on the RTX 3000-series Ampere architecture with 1536 CUDA cores. "

Maybe there's a limit to how much in detail they can go, I have no clue.

I still think there is a gap between the conclusions drawn from this leaked info and a late 2024/early 2025 date, and I'm skeptical of another device using T239 in 2023.
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If the Switch 2 came out in 2025 with the T239 built on 8nm Samsung...I would be greatly disappointed.
 
ACE+ said:
Yup, it would suck if Nintendo is again a full generation behind. An earlier release like this year would at least level the performance gap somewhat between Series X, PS5, and Switch so the Switch wouldn't have to suffer heavily compromised ports or not get any at all. I would also love to see first-party games get more room to play with in terms of visual expression.

Ah well, games keep on releasing regardless, and that's what matters the most.
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what we're seeing here is that Nintendo doesn't need third party devs and third party devs don't need Nintendo.

hell, the big third party game that sold Switch as a home console on the go was Skyrim, and Bethesda is gone. maybe by the time this thing ships there won't really be a third party landscape to worry about
 
Podcast was kind of a waste of time (IMO) it didn't really say anything of value or something we didn't already know, nor did it really clear anything up. At least it was a fun listen.
 
Kazuyamishima said:
Podcast was kind of a waste of time (IMO) it didn't really say anything of value or something we didn't already know, nor did it really clear anything up. At least it was a fun listen.
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it was about what I was expecting: they covered what they knew in a clear and (relatively) concise manner to put the topic to bed.
 
I remember playing XC2 back in 2017 with it's res and performance issues and thinking "Hmmm... I hope it's not too long until a revision". And now people are speculating 2017->2025? For handheld tech? As a docked-only gamer who is already skipping a lot of Switch games due to performance issues, all I can feel is despair.

Also, the thought of Drake, which sounded so promising, being used in early 2025 when I'm sure it'll be substantially out of date by comparison is pretty depressing. (And yes I know it makes no sense to sit on it that long).

Not saying I buy this speculation as anything more than speculation, but the tea leaves are currently only blowing one direction, to mix metaphors. I feel like mentally I should assume early H1 2024 at the earliest now and it may be time to get out of the habit of checking the thread daily. But in honesty I won't give up hope for 2023 until we have more clarity regarding Drake and the cancelled revision.

God, though. Playing TotK, Metroid Prime 4 and Pikmin 4 on the base switch hardware. I'm not ready to accept that. Yep... despair.
 
remember when after months of near silence the news there was "heavy info" that needed extra care to talk about

remember when john and nate had a little exchange about the TX1 lasting forever and people said it was nothing

they gave us so many hints...
 
Magic-Man said:
Nintendo doesn't care about other companies specs. Besides, this console would have DLSS to cover some lost ground.

What is the PS6 going to look like anyways? Aren't we getting close to a hardware ceiling?
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Not at all, PS5/Series don't even have proper RT hardware. That alone is a massive jump for their successors, along with the massive TFLOP increase we can expect. Consoles still got a long way to improve.
 
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Raccoon said:
remember when after months of near silence the news there was "heavy info" that needed extra care to talk about

remember when john and nate had a little exchange about the TX1 lasting forever and people said it was nothing

they gave us so many hints...
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Still not buying it. Too many loose ends right now.
 
PS6 should be a pretty massive and defining hardware jump as PC hardware is finally getting to where they can do raytracing OK and by 2028, raytracing should be doable even for big games. Meanwhile, the PS5's raytracing is omega trash.

Games built from the ground up for raytracing (instead of the super shitty implementations now) will be a big game changer.
 
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