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ITSMILNER said:
What about the supposed ‘Next Switch’ exclusives that was rumoured were knocking about, devs are now supposed to keep them back another 2 years?
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per the podcast, postponing development indefinitely isn't uncommon when something is early enough along

it sounds like we heard about things way too early. another instance of leaks damaging perception unfairly
 
Just listened through a lot of it at faster speed before work, I did scrub a little bit near the end. Killer.

I just need to turn the Drake/Switch 2 part of my brain off for a full year. It’s gonna be tough because I have been excited about this thing since those 2021 reports, but it’s dead for now. I can’t keep it going for another 12 months (minimum)
 
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The speculation on late 24 early 25 weirdly lines up with the Nikkei article, so that's super awful.

I've been joking that it was turning into a SNES CD for while, but seems like that was actually the case😬. Double yikes if it ends up still using Drake
 
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Going from Late22/Early23 to Late24/Early25 is quite the jump.
If it's 2 years away, I honestly hope they cancel Drake and work on a new chip.
8nm PS4 level SoC in 2025 when PS6 and XSX2 will release 3 years later is laughable.
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Nintendo doesn't care about other companies specs. Besides, this console would have DLSS to cover some lost ground.

What is the PS6 going to look like anyways? Aren't we getting close to a hardware ceiling?
 
bloopland33 said:
I just need to turn the Drake/Switch 2 part of my brain off for a full year. It’s gonna be tough because I have been excited about this thing since those 2021 reports, but it’s dead for now. I can’t keep it going for another 12 months (minimum)
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yep, this is the big thing. leaks got us interested far too early, and now it's (arguably long past) time to turn away

we just have to forget about it. it's going to be tough for me
 
Magic-Man said:
Nintendo doesn't care about other companies specs. Besides, this console would have DLSS to cover some lost ground.

What is the PS6 going to look like anyways? Aren't we getting close to a hardware ceiling?
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Surely there's only so much they can ignore
 
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Woah slow down. Not gonna listen to this podcast, so gonna need somebody to get me up to speed. Weren't loads of people incredulous about the initial "cancelled" claim because the timelines didn't add up? What's the actual explanation that Nate gives which clicks it into place?
 
I'm not even halfway though the podcast yet, but I've been thinking about how Nintendo probably still has something hardware to release this year right?
It'll be 2 years since the OLED in October and this is the kind of pattern they seem to follow.
Not next-gen or successor of course, but whatever revision or new version that could help to reinforce sales and overall interest in the Switch.
Maybe some kind of "Switch Home" or "Switch TV" that isn't handheld, though it's been discussed and feels quite unlikely.
Or maybe some Joy Con/Pro Controller revisions as well.

Get ready for Switch Lite OLED, I hate to admit it feels more likely than ever lol
 
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Dizzle said:
Woah slow down. Not gonna listen to this podcast, so gonna need somebody to get me up to speed. Weren't loads of people incredulous about the initial "cancelled" claim because the timelines didn't add up? What's the actual explanation that Nate gives which clicks it into place?
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no one talks about it because everyone has gone to the part where he speculates on a date
 
the discussion of the subtle change in the position of the switch is super interesting to me. in the beginning it was seen as "the home console you can take on the go" as intended, but now it's able to stand alone and is just The Switch with Nintendo games, mountains of indie games, and really old or smaller stuff

I'm curious if 2025 will represent an attempt to return to home console on the go USP or doubling down on the Nintendo machine angle, which is now much more viable on its own than it was in 2017
 
Raccoon said:
yep, this is the big thing. leaks got us interested far too early, and now it's (arguably long past) time to turn away

we just have to forget about it. it's going to be tough for me
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Yep I check this thread everyday but I don’t think I can do this for another year. Nikkei, Digital Foundry and now Nate seem to be leaning towards late 2024. We’re more than halfway through January- if a May 2023 release with Botw was coming we would’ve heard something concrete by now.
 
Dizzle said:
Woah slow down. Not gonna listen to this podcast, so gonna need somebody to get me up to speed. Weren't loads of people incredulous about the initial "cancelled" claim because the timelines didn't add up? What's the actual explanation that Nate gives which clicks it into place?
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the impression they're giving is basically that they (meaning industry journalism overall) covered it too early, and the devkits were more standard early attempts/tinkering
 
L_esson said:
I'm not even halfway though the podcast yet, but I've been thinking about how Nintendo probably still has something hardware to release this year right?
It'll be 2 year since the OLED in October and this is the kind of pattern they seem to follow.
Not next-gen or successor of course, but whatever revision or new version that could help to reinforce sales and overall interest in the Switch.
Maybe some kind of "Switch Home" or "Switch TV" that isn't handheld, though it's been discussed and feels quite unlikely.
Or maybe some Joy Con/Pro Controller revisions as well.

Get ready for Switch Lite OLED, I hate to admit it feels more likely than ever lol
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Joy-Con Battery Pack 2
 
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Dizzle said:
Woah slow down. Not gonna listen to this podcast, so gonna need somebody to get me up to speed. Weren't loads of people incredulous about the initial "cancelled" claim because the timelines didn't add up? What's the actual explanation that Nate gives which clicks it into place?
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most of the podcast is just speculating... but from what i get from the first 15 minutes, essentially their sources sad its scrapped in its current form.
really no concret new info.

Raccoon said:
I mean, this would be quite a bit like what the Switch was...

a slightly-too-late-to-be-great drake is exactly in-line with Nintendo's strategy
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i thought that till last year, but with a pandemic and now high inflation everywhere, the state of graphics cards, ps5s still not being available to the masses for the msrp in parts of europe... i honestly thing this generation will be longer simply because of a price and tech sealing we are reaching. could play into nintendos hands.
still, heck, i did not expect to need to wait till 2025 for HDR and 1080@60 nintendo games....
 
L_esson said:
I'm not even halfway though the podcast yet, but I've been thinking about how Nintendo probably still has something hardware to release this year right?
It'll be 2 year since the OLED in October and this is the kind of pattern they seem to follow.
Not next-gen or successor of course, but whatever revision or new version that could help to reinforce sales and overall interest in the Switch.
Maybe some kind of "Switch Home" or "Switch TV" that isn't handheld, though it's been discussed and feels quite unlikely.
Or maybe some Joy Con/Pro Controller revisions as well.

Get ready for Switch Lite OLED, I hate to admit it feels more likely than ever lol
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see this is the sort of speculation I can get behind

the ~2 year cadence will continue with a super cheap tv box switch in holiday 2023 and the replacement in march 2025
 
Raccoon said:
yep, this is the big thing. leaks got us interested far too early, and now it's (arguably long past) time to turn away

we just have to forget about it. it's going to be tough for me
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Arguably long past is a good way to put it. There’s no hand wringing the bad news away now (which I had been doing too). I need to reset my mindset to what it was before I ever heard a Pro/2 leak. Not thinking about it, not expecting anything
 
bloopland33 said:
Arguably long past is a good way to put it. There’s no hand wringing the bad news away now (which I had been doing too). I need to reset my mindset to what it was before I ever heard a Pro/2 leak. Not thinking about it, not expecting anything
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totally. Nintendo isn't what made us feel bad about all this, premature leaks were
 
Shiba said:
I feel bad for third party devs.
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I'm not sure if they'll take the time to release new games on Nintendo's platform through this year, they'll only re release old PS4/XBO era ports (which is fine by me) until the new platform comes, which depending on the success, they might not care anyway 😅
 
I think a $99 Switch TV box in September with a new 2D Mario could actually bring in new users, which are in very short supply at this point
 
Raccoon said:
totally. Nintendo isn't what made us feel bad about all this, premature leaks were
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This is true, but for other reasons and to some degree, some of us would still be legitimately disappointed to see nothing announced and no sign of improved hardware nearly 6 years later.
But yea, leaks and such didn't help.
 
Raccoon said:
the impression they're giving is basically that they (meaning industry journalism overall) covered it too early, and the devkits were more standard early attempts/tinkering
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I cant listen right now, but the problem with this is that there was an insistence that software was being developed and planned for launch late 22/early 23. Either a lot of what was purported by Nate was very wrong, or Nintendo completely pulled the rug out from under their partners by canning the hardware. The last time something like this happened(at least that we know about) was the SNES CD, which had pretty bad consequences.
 
L_esson said:
I'm not even halfway though the podcast yet, but I've been thinking about how Nintendo probably still has something hardware to release this year right?
It'll be 2 years since the OLED in October and this is the kind of pattern they seem to follow.
Not next-gen or successor of course, but whatever revision or new version that could help to reinforce sales and overall interest in the Switch.
Maybe some kind of "Switch Home" or "Switch TV" that isn't handheld, though it's been discussed and feels quite unlikely.
Or maybe some Joy Con/Pro Controller revisions as well.

Get ready for Switch Lite OLED, I hate to admit it feels more likely than ever lol
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since the OLED was probably planed / designed before the pandemic started (and all of the following problems with resoures, economic uncertainty, war in europe,...), so... losing a year in all of that does not sound tooo far of. like if they wanted to have it 2023 and just couldn't get it there.
Raccoon said:
the discussion of the subtle change in the position of the switch is super interesting to me. in the beginning it was seen as "the home console you can take on the go" as intended, but now it's able to stand alone and is just The Switch with Nintendo games, mountains of indie games, and really old or smaller stuff

I'm curious if 2025 will represent an attempt to return to home console on the go USP or doubling down on the Nintendo machine angle, which is now much more viable on its own than it was in 2017
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they had to get the home console nintendo fans and the handheld nintendo fans on the same boat. now, that most have understood the concept, they have less of a need to explain it and have the focus on it.
home console on the go is easier to grasp then the true nature of the switch (portable gaming with software mechanisms to push more power when you connect it to a tv)
 
Skittzo said:
I'm not buying that Drake itself was scrapped, due to the publicly available evidence to the contrary and it feels like by 2025 it makes no sense to use it. Not sure what to think at the moment.
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Yeah, this is some of the most obvious bullshit "leaks" I've seen in a while.
 
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How would this also line up with the comments on this year being quiet after Zelda, that sounded like a wind down before a new system launch. If it’s late 2024 then it would launch surely with Mario in which case it would be 7 years between mainline Mario’s.
 
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Not able to watch. Were things relating to T239 (like the recent Linux kernel commits) addressed at all? I wouldn't be surprised if Drake was scrapped but the Linux commits are kinda the elephant in the room when it comes to any sort of "Drake was cancelled" discussion.
 
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Hey, just a suggestion, maybe if people would treat the stuff from the podcast as what it is -> Speculation <- instead of a fact, the truth, confirmed and whatever, there won't be any hyperbolic reactions, including against those who reported on Drake stuff so far.

What do you say?
 
Skittzo said:
I'm not buying that Drake itself was scrapped, due to the publicly available evidence to the contrary and it feels like by 2025 it makes no sense to use it. Not sure what to think at the moment.
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I'm with you. I have yet to listen to it but there has to be some explanation of NVN2 and T239 progress.
 
Instro said:
I cant listen right now, but the problem with this is that there was an insistence that software was being developed and planned for launch late 22/early 23. Either a lot of what was purported by Nate was very wrong, or Nintendo completely pulled the rug out from under their partners by canning the hardware. The last time something like this happened(at least that we know about) was the SNES CD, which had pretty bad consequences.
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but they seem to be implying things were very early along and that window was accepted as a tentative one
 
Raccoon said:
totally. Nintendo isn't what made us feel bad about all this, premature leaks were
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That’s right.

My only remaining question mark is if the new hardware will be equipped with Drake still, or if Drake’s dead in Nintendo’s eyes.

But I can’t think about that or I’ll be checking this thread every day again until we find out! Lol. Gotta let it go
 
Yeah I'm gonna dip out of this topic for prob the rest of the day at least, godspeed soldiers

I'm more optimistic about first-party output over the next couple years at least
 
Skittzo said:
I'm not buying that Drake itself was scrapped, due to the publicly available evidence to the contrary and it feels like by 2025 it makes no sense to use it. Not sure what to think at the moment.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not gonna knee-jerk deny Nate's reporting (especially without hearing it first hand), but some things don't quite add up. To be frank, I've always been skeptical of the tech boosterism of the optimists, even when clearly backed by a lot of technical knowledge. But I've seen some compelling points made. For example, several people seemed confident that the Linux commits implied that the chip was in production, or soon to be. What's the explanation for that? I won't be totally convinced until I hear one.
 
Skittzo said:
I'm not buying that Drake itself was scrapped, due to the publicly available evidence to the contrary and it feels like by 2025 it makes no sense to use it. Not sure what to think at the moment.
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it makes perfect sense: nintendo is waiting for drake to become withered technology
 
Raccoon said:
there's definitely a tacit admission throughout this podcast that they covered it prematurely imo
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a slight mention of drake, but not explicitly confirming or denying that that has anything to do with the canceled (or delayed?) revision
 
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Like Bonejack said, this is all speculation, no one should take what they hear from anywhere outside of Nintendo themselves as gospel. It’s just speculation which encourages conversations but so much stuff contradicts the other it’s best to try and enjoy the discussion until Nintendo officially announces something.
 
I think Nate/DF/MVG expectation (or probably heard but can’t really confirmed) is FY2024/25.

They are a little pessimistic and say H2 of that FY, but it can be H1, I mean between april to september period.

Its a matter of when Nintendo will have their SW finished. There should be various softwares more or less in line to he ready for FY2024/25, like next Mario Kart, 3D Mario and Smash.

Or, in worst case, I think they can make a late 2024 launch with a new 3D Mario like

Late 2024: Switch 2 launch with 3D Mario
Early 2025: Mario Kart
Mid 2025: Smash
Late 2025: Pokémon Gen 10
Early 2026: Animal Crossing
Mid 2026: Splatoon 4
Late 2026: Luigis Mansion 4

I think Nintendo will want a very steady release of their flagship titles +10 million seller titles.
 
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Bonejack said:
Hey, just a suggestion, maybe if people would treat the stuff from the podcast as what it is -> Speculation <- instead of a fact, the truth, confirmed and whatever, there won't be any hyperbolic reactions, including against those who reported on Drake stuff so far.

What do you say?
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I give it up for lost, here people fall into the same mistake as always.
They have been asking Nate for weeks for the postcast where he clarifies all his previous reports and that from information that is not speculation, nate takes out the postcast, and they have gone directly to only paying attention to the final part where they speculate with a date.
 
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