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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)
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ReddDreadtheLead
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That was a mistranslation afaik.
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Exactly this. It would be best to just focus on current info. I can come up with lots of theories that could explain the mixed up reporting and how everyone's information was always right all along, but at the end of the day, who cares. Mochizuki can't escape people relitigating 2021 and attacking his credibility with a wink and a nod at this extremely scant tidbit from DF. What he can do, as someone who's been proven in the past to have legitimate sources, is use them to report something current and clear that people actually care about going forward.I thought Mochi was already 'vindicated' by the NVN2 leaks since they corroborated his 4K devkit reporting. I always just assumed he mixed up the OLED model and the Drake devkit in 2021. So I'm not sure what he means by the '' to DF's podcast, as I doubt it was the 4K devkits he reported on that were canned. I get the feeling that there are three to four separate devices mixed up in the conversation here when all we really care about is Drake and its release timing.
Edit: And I'm aware that we're not Mochizuki's target audience. But he quite obviously still cares about this issue just the same.
ShadowFox08
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Well, the Nvidia shield does play games. On stream with G Force Now, but also Android OS/Google Play, and some PC games through the Nvidia Games App.
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I think the full fat Drake is overkill for a Shield TV. The arguments that I have read on here involve using binned T239s with portions of the hardware disabled, and that reusing the chip for non-Switch hardware would offset costs for both Nintendo and Nvidia since the chip isn't exclusive to Nintendo. There's probably a more detailed post in this thread I could dig up.
Eclissi
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I reiterate what I wrote a few hours ago: if you watched the DF podcast, it would be clear to you that DF talks about 2 consoles, a hypothetical refresh that was planned at a certain point but now cancelled, and next gen hardware for the next future.
Drake is clearly the second of these.
What sent the forum into a tailspin were Nate's words, who thought of telling us that the heavy information he had concerned precisely the cancellation.
Which in my opinion demonstrates that Nate's info on this topic is decidedly wrong (second incident after the one on the OLED), given that he himself spoke of 4K via DLSS and that he had then taken the Nvidia leak to strengthen his thesis, and therefore it was not about "refresh".
Drake is clearly the second of these.
What sent the forum into a tailspin were Nate's words, who thought of telling us that the heavy information he had concerned precisely the cancellation.
Which in my opinion demonstrates that Nate's info on this topic is decidedly wrong (second incident after the one on the OLED), given that he himself spoke of 4K via DLSS and that he had then taken the Nvidia leak to strengthen his thesis, and therefore it was not about "refresh".
ShadowFox08
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It probably is overkill. We have to ask ourselves what can it be used that likely won't be on Drake. Nvidia Shields main use is for streaming subscription services. But also
Streaming games with GeForce Now, playing mobile games from Android Play store, and and some Nvidia PC games that might not be on Drake (like that Metal Gear game). It's possible we could get some PC and mobile games with RT that won't be on Drake maybe. Who knows.
And it has to be affordable. The 2019 Nvidia shield is anywhere between $125-200. So if they could get an Orion variant (hella mayble even Tegra Orion Nano/NX, if not Drake) for $300, maybe it could be worth it?
I think there is confusion between what he was told to be a Pro model and what is actually going to be a successor. I think it was Drake regardless, but his sources went from telling him it would be advertised as a Pro model, to full blown successor. That could affect the release date, but we don't have any reliable word ATM of course, if Drake is going to come in 2024.
NateDrake
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All the tech stuff I reported was backed by the NVN2 leak -- meaning, the information I was being given back in 2021 was accurate in terms of features.
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pelusilla6
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Looks like the cancelled "PRO" had DLSS so it would have had some kind of Drake (t236?) in it.
It wasnt an OC Mariko...
What is happening with all those 3d party games that were in development from 2020???? Limbo?
Edit: Are we getting the "its cancelled" news now and they are from 2021?
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thegodsend
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NVN is specifically referring to Drake. You are not. You need to be precise - is the binned dev hardware Drake or is Drake future hardware? Then something is missing.
What you are doing is alluding and defending, not reporting. Actually I like your podcast a lot so I just think you can do better and should either be more precise in your information or just not share information to get to a next step on how to report on rumors and leaks. Right now it's involuntarily sluggish.
Taking in some criticism here instead of just defending yourself would go some way as well, in the end this is she community you are reporting to, not just some bypassers. So I think you do owe them something, just like every journalist owes to their readers.
SiG
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Probably moved over to T239.
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"The discrepancies are timing and branding of the hardware -- which I've said several times since 2021 was not something I had any solid clarity on. Some positioned it to me as a revision and others simply said they had kits for new hardware." (EDIT: I see you deleted this part of your comment, I assume for clarity?)
So are you saying now - there was only one bit of hardware but the branding and timing was cancelled/delayed/changed to being a successor? Or were the people who said to you it was a revision and those who said it was kits for new hardware both now telling you that the hardware has been cancelled? Do you know that the revision and new hardware kits were the same dev kits?
So are you saying now - there was only one bit of hardware but the branding and timing was cancelled/delayed/changed to being a successor? Or were the people who said to you it was a revision and those who said it was kits for new hardware both now telling you that the hardware has been cancelled? Do you know that the revision and new hardware kits were the same dev kits?
ArchedThunder
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Its focus isn’t as a gaming device and it’s shifted further away from natively run games as well. Also that link doesn’t say anything about playing anything other than mobile stuff natively, the PC stuff is all streaming, so the capabilities of Drake would be pointless.
NateDrake
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I'm strictly talking the features info matching. Nothing more than that.
I'm not talking hardware until I'm prepared to do so on my show and I'm able to present all the information obtained throughout 2022.
This will be something I'll be asking contacts about very soon.
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With the chip seemingly being made for Nintendo I would think Nvidia wouldn’t be able to release a product using binned chips before the Nintendo system released.
YolkFolk
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A possible positive - May is a slightly unusual release month for a Nintendo heavy hitter like Zelda. March has often been Nintendo’s go to month for big releases that didn’t quite make Christmas; not always but often.
Is this because March would mean new hardware was releasing too close to Christmas and would have meant a reveal right before or right after Christmas? This timeline could see them reveal Zelda on a new system in March for a May release without claims of Nintendo having screwed Christmas buyers over.
Maybe I’m clutching at straws but discussing the possibility. Odds are, based on John and Nate’s comments, that there will be no new system in the first half of next year.
Is this because March would mean new hardware was releasing too close to Christmas and would have meant a reveal right before or right after Christmas? This timeline could see them reveal Zelda on a new system in March for a May release without claims of Nintendo having screwed Christmas buyers over.
Maybe I’m clutching at straws but discussing the possibility. Odds are, based on John and Nate’s comments, that there will be no new system in the first half of next year.
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i feel like Zelda is May because it needs that long to be finished, not bc of hardware
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That is my thinking as I made that post in cynical jest. With the recent Linux commits, I was expecting both T239 based Switch 2 and a possible Shield TV to be entering production next year. Linux commits by themselves aren't a guarantee of either but the timeline lines up with NVN2 progress, devkit reports, Orin, etc. Hence my confusion at the recent developments.
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He fell off after Nothing Was The Same
Well, if it’s a succ and not a revision, it’s not just “marketing intricacies”, for third parties it’d also mean that they can make games that run solely on the succ, so it’s something they should be informed of
Charamiwa
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At least I'm glad we can put the iterative, iphone-like hardware notion to bed. I liked the idea, and it made sense on paper, but nothing Nintendo said or done led credence to the theory, so I didn't like how we kept hanging on to it for so long even as the years went on. The only acknowledgment of a next hardware from Nintendo we ever got was in that slide stating "next generation hardware for 20XX" and it looks like it's what we'll get. Maybe with a heavy cross gen period like the other console manufacturer but nothing like a phone generation.
YolkFolk
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It’s probably worth pointing out that the general reaction to this news outside of this enthusiast’s thread is quite positive.
Most people don’t want a ‘pro’ that links in to the current Switch and want more of an absolute successor.
I guess you could argue that with the success of current Switch and how well it is still doing that it is too soon for such a device.
Most people don’t want a ‘pro’ that links in to the current Switch and want more of an absolute successor.
I guess you could argue that with the success of current Switch and how well it is still doing that it is too soon for such a device.
The things most probably don't realize, is that hardware wise there is only T239. What will change is the messaging/ marketing/ release date of said hardware.
Branduil
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All I'm gonna say re "insider news" is that I've treated every Nintendo rumor in the last 5 years with extreme skepticism and it hasn't failed me yet. Whether this is because plans change, people making things up, bad sources, etc. doesn't matter to me, if the end result is unreliable I don't have any reason to care about it.
YolkFolk
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Maybe Nintendo’s own analysis told them to avoid a half step successor (in branding/marketing) due to the possibility of confusion in the market place. They had such issues with 3DS and Wii U and how the initial message for those systems became muddled.
My non enthusiast friends had no interest in a “4K Switch” when I told them about the possibility and their general feeling was “I’ll probably wait until the proper successor”. They’re the sort who would never consider a PS4 Pro or One X having bought the original hardware.
The last thing Nintendo would want is basically a next gen console on the shelf and only the hardcore buying it, with a much bigger price, due to all the ‘normal’ people thinking it was just a half step upgrade.
When do you plan to release that report in your show?
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TheI thought Mochi was already 'vindicated' by the NVN2 leaks since they corroborated his 4K devkit reporting. I always just assumed he mixed up the OLED model and the Drake devkit in 2021. So I'm not sure what he means by the '
means "You're wrong, and you don't know you're wrong." and "Good things are coming."I bet my pension.
NateDrake
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Not exactly, as Android is slated to adopt RT capabilities over the next few months. Having their "top of the range" Android TV box be able to play those games with RT on would certainly be a boon, albeit a small one.
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Why would their comments change those odds at all?
You know that John was only one of three who made comments from DF, one of which said 2023?
Or that Nate specifically ISN'T talking about what we're talking about, so his comments are irrelevant?
Come now, why let comments that are contradictory and irrelevant colour your perspective. At the end of the day, Nvidia's public commits of this chip's support to Linux are concrete evidence of its existence in the flesh. They won't sit on a processor for 18 months, taking up warehouse space and such, and no amount of commentary changes that. At the end of the day, Nvidia's leaks and public documentation are facts, and these various comments are not.
manfromthedam
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I appreciate DF, but it's clear that they have much shorter lines of communication with Microsoft and Sony - and necessarily so, since technology is the differentiating factor for those two players. Direct interviews with hardware designers and all. John got swept up in the Bloomberg Switch hype of 2021, so he's probably extra careful. Rich seems to not have heard much conclusive. It's obviously speculative.
After a night's sleep, I think little has changed - Zelda's new release date is perfectly positioned for a Switch 2. If it doesn't happen I can finally play Zelda on SwOLED, so no problem, and then I'll try to forget about new hardware, but at the moment it's a choice between negative vagueness or positive vagueness, and I'm carefully choosing positive.
Meanwhile, I'll keep myself busy with Switch, PC and making music!
After a night's sleep, I think little has changed - Zelda's new release date is perfectly positioned for a Switch 2. If it doesn't happen I can finally play Zelda on SwOLED, so no problem, and then I'll try to forget about new hardware, but at the moment it's a choice between negative vagueness or positive vagueness, and I'm carefully choosing positive.
Meanwhile, I'll keep myself busy with Switch, PC and making music!
daase ko
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After what just happened, maybe we're gonna need more than one person confirming and last time he was confusing them uncles too.
eye0h
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ah we have a week long lifeline before the ship sinks boys lets get speculating
Z0m3le
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Wait until after CES, because if Nvidia doesn't announce any new products that use T239 at CES next week... Given T239 is already in production, would mean that it is coming out in 6 months or less for something not made by Nvidia, that really does narrow it down to Nintendo most likely releasing something in the 1st half of next year.
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I think people are going a bit over the top on Nate. Calm the fuck down.
The development house I know about has had “new Nintendo devkits” for a long time. Like years at this point. This hardware has changed and evolved over that time from let’s say 2x the overall Switch power, to having tensor cores (for DLSS and RT), to having so much computational power (due to a change in Nvidia architecture and I’m guessing a die shrink) over the original Switch (say 10x CPU / 4x GPU) that it could easily be marketed as a full on next generation system.
Developers currently have this updated devkit and it’s not changed for the last 3/4 months (it’s been changing for years). Which along with the fact they’ve been told to aim for Q2 2023 means it’s probably final retail hardware.
The main questions (as has always been the case because of the success of Switch and their fear of messing that up ala WiiU) is what do they call it and when will it launch.
All the latest info from DF John means is that it’s a pretty safe bet that it will now be called Switch 2 and be marketed as a full next generation system which also has backwards compatibility with the current Switch. My contacts assumed it would be part of the current console ecosystem because it’s another hybrid and currently uses the OLED shell and dock as part of those devkits for debugging.
Give Nate a break Jesus fuck people it’s only a games console. At a time where kids are getting bombs dropped on their houses in Ukraine it’s really, really not that serious.
I really can’t be fucked with this forum anymore tbqh after re reading the past pages after the reaction to that DF video and I do wonder why Nate bothers like at all outside of releasing his info on his podcast.
I’ll speak to y’all again next year. Have a good, safe Happy New Year!
The development house I know about has had “new Nintendo devkits” for a long time. Like years at this point. This hardware has changed and evolved over that time from let’s say 2x the overall Switch power, to having tensor cores (for DLSS and RT), to having so much computational power (due to a change in Nvidia architecture and I’m guessing a die shrink) over the original Switch (say 10x CPU / 4x GPU) that it could easily be marketed as a full on next generation system.
Developers currently have this updated devkit and it’s not changed for the last 3/4 months (it’s been changing for years). Which along with the fact they’ve been told to aim for Q2 2023 means it’s probably final retail hardware.
The main questions (as has always been the case because of the success of Switch and their fear of messing that up ala WiiU) is what do they call it and when will it launch.
All the latest info from DF John means is that it’s a pretty safe bet that it will now be called Switch 2 and be marketed as a full next generation system which also has backwards compatibility with the current Switch. My contacts assumed it would be part of the current console ecosystem because it’s another hybrid and currently uses the OLED shell and dock as part of those devkits for debugging.
Give Nate a break Jesus fuck people it’s only a games console. At a time where kids are getting bombs dropped on their houses in Ukraine it’s really, really not that serious.
I really can’t be fucked with this forum anymore tbqh after re reading the past pages after the reaction to that DF video and I do wonder why Nate bothers like at all outside of releasing his info on his podcast.
I’ll speak to y’all again next year. Have a good, safe Happy New Year!
Intoxicate
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My personal bias is that I‘d much prefer a full successor instead of a Pro kinda model.
That but with backwards compatibility. I don’t want to tripple dip.
This thread has been really confusing.
I think it is the „heavy“ part of the statement. If it‘s not about what we‘ve been talking about, then it‘s super light/irrelevant.
That but with backwards compatibility. I don’t want to tripple dip.
This thread has been really confusing.
I think it is the „heavy“ part of the statement. If it‘s not about what we‘ve been talking about, then it‘s super light/irrelevant.
DF is on point, well except I would go one further and say there was never a pro in the making. I doubt there will be anything or ever was anything other than a full generational leap and it won't be here till 2024. I still remember when Rich doubted there was ever a Pro version when everyone else was so sure there was going to be and then that turned out to be just an OLED model. I think it is past time for people to realize that Nintendo never had an interest in a mid-generation power bump, they aren't doing this like Sony or Microsoft. Heck, even Sony and Microsoft probably don't have any plans for a mid-generation refresh this generation. Nintendo NEVER had such intentions, insiders got mixed up early on and much of what was speculated turned out to be false.
ArchedThunder
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I will never understand why so many people are convinced that 2024 is the only year that makes sense, despite the stuff we’ve learned about Drake making 2023 seem very likely.
To me 2024 seems like the absolute latest possible time, not the most likely.
Kenka
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Sure, this is not a question of life or death. And nobody should go overboard.
However, just to add something to what you wrote, I want to point out the fact that our resident developer hasn't heard or seen anything about a devkit for a Switch successor - and he is a trusted member of our community. This might be all the evidence we needed for a rather later than sooner release of said hardware.
ArchedThunder
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Where does he work? Devkits aren’t just handed out to anyone before announcement. They’re only given to specific studios and within those studios depending on how secretive the hardware company is (and Nintendo is very secretive) usually only a few people are even made aware of it. I remember stories for a previous Nintendo system, I think it might have been 3DS, where a only a small handful of people in the studio were given access to it and it had to stay in a single closed off room.
Thugstas
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Some people here are always overreacting when it comes to Nintendo, leaks, insiders…. Infos spreading here need to be taken as speculation and opinion until we got confirmation..
It is always nintendo love not a business … not a who is right or who is wrong…. Every contribution need to be positive… Famiboard need to be a safe place !
eye0h
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It isn't a matter of where they work but who is in their network.
Disorientator
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Interesting turn of events.
In other news, I'm I reading this wrong or does this Falcom report (dated Dec. 23th 2022) lists an unannounced "Nintendo Switch 2" title, planned for 2023!?
In other news, I'm I reading this wrong or does this Falcom report (dated Dec. 23th 2022) lists an unannounced "Nintendo Switch 2" title, planned for 2023!?
eye0h
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not a japanese reader but considering it says "Nintendo Switch" in the list of platforms probably notInteresting turn of events.
In other news, I'm I reading this wrong or does this Falcom report (dated Dec. 23th 2022) lists an unannounced "Nintendo Switch 2" title, planned for 2023!?
Disorientator
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Maybe it means the Nintendo Switch family of systems or something.
Can't read Japanese either, but the translation of the first part (Game title) seems to be "Nintendo Switch 2 title".
Stinky Horse
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Just 2 titles unnamed I think, or it would have been big news.Interesting turn of events.
In other news, I'm I reading this wrong or does this Falcom report (dated Dec. 23th 2022) lists an unannounced "Nintendo Switch 2" title, planned for 2023!?
ArchedThunder
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Might be wrong, but I think it’s just saying they have 2 unannounced Switch titles.Interesting turn of events.
In other news, I'm I reading this wrong or does this Falcom report (dated Dec. 23th 2022) lists an unannounced "Nintendo Switch 2" title, planned for 2023!?
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