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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

The mid-gen refresh planned for 2023.

Drake/NVN2 can still be the SoC for the next-gen hardware.
I know you just said you'll be sharing more soon so if this is stuff you'd rather share later I understand, but:

Have you heard whether "next-gen" will still be a hybrid console? I wouldn't expect Nintendo to abandon the Switch concept but usually "new generation" for them comes alongside a shift in form factor and gimmicks, so I worry.

Also your notifications are probably blowing up right now, sorry. 😅

At least we get our GoldenEye miracle sometime next year.
You mean tomorrow 🤞
 
No one has ever said the Drake SoC was 100% for the mid-gen refresh.

The cancellation of the refresh has no impact on the use of Drake for the next-gen hardware.
These words are very clear, and I understand what they say, I’m saying for you to be for real with me right now. Like be so for real with me right now.

Bro what
 
No one has ever said the Drake SoC was 100% for the mid-gen refresh.

The cancellation of the refresh has no impact on the use of Drake for the next-gen hardware.
The confusing bit here is that there is some information out there suggesting that Drake itself is currently being produced.

If the "2023 revision" was never going to use Drake and the "next gen" Switch isn't coming in 2023... Then what are Nvidia producing Drake for so early? Shield TVs?
 
so late 2022 early 2023 was going to be a mid-gen refresh separate from drake

despite some version of it being manufactured and tested, drake is for a next-gen product that, if I had to guess, will come after the current waves of Switch DLC. Mario Kart will be supported until late 2023 and Splatoon until September 2024. as such, I'd peg it on holiday 2024 or sometime in 2025 (lol, lmao)
 
No one has ever said the Drake SoC was 100% for the mid-gen refresh.

The cancellation of the refresh has no impact on the use of Drake for the next-gen hardware.
So are you saying that Nintendo was planning on releasing a budget Switch alternative using Mariko (or a tweaked variation) alongside Drake?

As there is no other real situation that makes sense for that as by 2025 Drake would've been in development for over 6 years at the SoC level with a lot of time (and money, especially as Silicon seemingly exists based on stuff from the NVIDIA Hacks and Linux Kernel updates) wasted on that SoC as it could've released far sooner.

And it'd be incredibly dumb to have a >1year gap between a supposed hidden revision and Drake's release if it were to come by 2024.
 
No one has ever said the Drake SoC was 100% for the mid-gen refresh.

The cancellation of the refresh has no impact on the use of Drake for the next-gen hardware.
We were discussing the Drake powered Switch, you chimed in with "the heavy news I was talking about is the revision is shelved". Nobody here was speculating in earnest about a revision that isn't Drake. In future, I would appreciate it if you clarified things up front. Clearly you've come across as obtuse to some people here, and it's caused some upset. I know that wasn't your intent, of course.
 
John is not talking about a theory, he is saying it as a matter of fact from devs mouth. Anyone can make up a theory.

"So I think at one point internally, from what I can understand from talking to different developers, there was some sort of mid-generation Switch update planned at one point and that it seems to be no longer happening. And this it seems pretty clear that whatever they do next is going to be next generation hardware. And I don't think it's going to be 2023.

Eh, I'll just say that this comment from him needs to be split in two. He states that he's heard from devs that a mid gen update is no longer happening. (which Nate has now seconded). And then he follows it up with his opinion that Nintendo will do a next gen thing next and that it won't be in 2023. Which he does not say he's heard from anyone, and probably just a logical guess on his part.
 
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The confusing bit here is that there is some information out there suggesting that Drake itself is currently being produced.

If the "2023 revision" was never going to use Drake and the "next gen" Switch isn't coming in 2023... Then what are Nvidia producing Drake for so early? Shield TVs?

PS5 Portable

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So you knew of a device that you didn’t even know if you had a Drake in it, you knew that the device was somehow canceled and you’re trying to get verification if that device that was canceled featured the Drake that you weren’t even sure it was in this supposed revision, despite the system being approaching its seventh year on the market, and still believing a revision for the year 2023 was possible.


Be so for real right now. Be so fucking for real right now.
 
this would be a clever way to offset the development costs associated with the delay
I'm not sure how much offsetting it would do since it's not a high volume product.

Plus if we're taking Nate's word for it, there has been no delay associated with Drake. It's something else that has been shelved.


Either way the question remains what the heck is going on with Drake.
 
So you knew of a device that you didn’t even know if you had a Drake in it, you knew that the device was somehow canceled and you’re trying to get verification if that device that was canceled featured the Drake that you weren’t even sure it was in this supposed revision, despite the system being approaching its seventh year on the market, and still believing a revision for the year 2023 was possible.


Be so for real right now. Be so fucking for real right now.
I've probably said this countless times before but I am for real so fucking over leaks
 
So you knew of a device that you didn’t even know if you had a Drake in it, you knew that the device was somehow canceled and you’re trying to get verification if that device that was canceled featured the Drake that you weren’t even sure it was in this supposed revision, despite the system being approaching its seventh year on the market, and still believing a revision for the year 2023 was possible.


Be so for real right now. Be so fucking for real right now.
Now I realise I'm not innocent when it comes to getting emotional here, but please calm down. There seems to have been some sort of miscommunication along the way, best we don't get too worked up over it. The bottom line is the Drake isn't the device that got shelved, and evidence suggests it has entered production. This doesn't change our timeline.
 
I mean personally I'm bummed but I can't help but laugh

I can't tell if it's a jovial laugh or a walter white in the crawl space laugh
 
Nintendo loves to have clear and simple marketing, when the OLED Model released, everyone already understood that revisional spec changes were simply not happening, or at least, that's what I understood from it. That system was simply not more powerful even slightly.
The whole speculation scene when I followed at least moved on to Drake. And the only thing that made sense since for the Switch while having a clear view was only Drake/NVN2 at this point.
 
So you knew of a device that you didn’t even know if you had a Drake in it, you knew that the device was somehow canceled and you’re trying to get verification if that device that was canceled featured the Drake that you weren’t even sure it was in this supposed revision, despite the system being approaching its seventh year on the market, and still believing a revision for the year 2023 was possible.


Be so for real right now. Be so fucking for real right now.
While I'm not...quite as intense about this, I'm just moreso confused and feel something got mixed up in communication or is missing about this.
The timeline just doesn't make much sense atm to fit a "Revision that didn't use Drake" in 2023 without Drake itself being in 2023 as well (Like I stated in a previous reply)

Especially as Drake is not a PS4 Pro/One X, it's a Switch 2 as it will have exclusive titles on it, so the "Xbox one S/X time gap" argument is inherently flawed in this case assuming this "Hidden Revision" would predate Drake by roughly a year
 
Revision is dead; Drake is only going to be marketed as a successor(?)
That much is obvious at this point in time, like come on now it’s going to be six years old in March, who does the revision at age 6 for an aging and (slowly) dying platform?

At that point you’d either announce a new platform is coming within the next two years.
Now I realise I'm not innocent when it comes to getting emotional here, but please calm down.
I already told him that I apologize for being confrontational, but this is absolute making zero sense and I’d like a clarification because otherwise, we’re just gonna be like a bunch of birds on a train track, waiting for the train to hit us because the conductor told us there’s food there.
 
I mean personally I'm bummed but I can't help but laugh

I can't tell if it's a jovial laugh or a walter white in the crawl space laugh
Bummed about what? A revision we knew nothing about no longer being released? Things have been pretty explicit that whatever got delayed isn't the Drake Switch we've been talking about.
 
So I'm not knowledgeable about hardware stuff but I am a hell of a lurker and I'm starting to wonder..

IIRC Nate said a ways back that Nintendo wasn't happy with the battery life of the new hardware, and that was during the time we were still using the Dane name. Then the Nvidia leak showed off Drake, which was far stronger hardware than we expected (especially the higher SM count), and IIRC Dane's name was somewhere in the leak (suggesting it might've existed) but Drake was definitely what they're building for Nintendo now. And now DF says there was a refresh model that was canned.

Is it possible that Dane was going to be the new model, but being dissatisfied with the power to battery ratio Nintendo and Nvidia ditched it for a more advanced node with a higher SM count and that's the Drake?

Sorry if I'm a bit over my head here. 😅
specifically, they weren't happy with the battery life with RT enabled.



All I get from Nate's message is.. that initially it (Drake) was planned to be "marketed" as a pro/revision, but that's off the table now and it's now going to be marketed as a successor. That doesn't really change things much for me. Doesn't seem to confirm or deconfirm if Drake is coming out next year or 2024.

And going from what John was saying in the DF podcast, he doesn't seem to have any insider info based on what he was saying.
 
Bummed about what? A revision we knew nothing about no longer being released? Things have been pretty explicit that whatever got delayed isn't the Drake Switch we've been talking about.
Revision/ successor call it whatever you want to call it. The 2023 dlls hardware is shelved/ delayed. And that's perfectly understandable to be bummed about.
 
All I get from Nate's message is.. that initially it was planned to be "marketed" as a pro/revisio!, but that's off the table now and it's now going to be marketed as a successor. That doesn't really change things much for me. Doesn't seem to confirm or deconfirm if Drake is coming out next year or 2024.

And going from what John was saying in the DF podcast, he doesn't seem to have any insider info based on what he was saying.
That's not what he said though. He at the very least has heavily implied that this shelved revision was not using Drake.

Which is why this is so confusing.
 
we have to acknowledge that the one thing zeitgeist said would never happen, a cancellation, is now said to have happened

what a fucking rollercoaster
 
The mid-gen refresh planned for 2023.

Drake/NVN2 can still be the SoC for the next-gen hardware.

So what were the devkits that you mentioned way back when for? Drake or this mid-gen refresh?

(and if I assume the devkits were for the mid-gen refresh, that means whatever that was also had RT & DLSS? but it wasn't Drake...I don't know what chipset fits that bill, even though I'm sure it's been brought up a bunch of times previously lol)
 
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That much is obvious at this point in time, like come on now it’s going to be six years old in March, who does the revision at age 6 for an aging and (slowly) dying platform?

At that point you’d either announce a new platform is coming within the next two years.

I already told him that I apologize for being confrontational, but this is absolute making zero sense and I’d like a clarification because otherwise, we’re just gonna be like a bunch of birds on a train track, waiting for the train to hit us because the conductor told us there’s food there.
I understand your frustration. As I said I think he's been obtuse, or misinterpreted us. Either way, it doesn't seem to be anything that has a baring on the release schedule of the Nintendo Switch with Drake processor.

Revision/ successor call it whatever you want to call it. The 2023 dlls hardware is shelved/ delayed. And that's perfectly understandable to be bummed about.
That isn't what he said. Some sort of device in 2023, not the Drake one, was shelved. Nobody has said the Drake device has been shelved.
 
Bummed about what? A revision we knew nothing about no longer being released? Things have been pretty explicit that whatever got delayed isn't the Drake Switch we've been talking about.

Come on, man. It’s pretty obvious Nate is trying to say no new device in 2023. Basically what DF have just said in their podcast as well. Nate’s even said ‘This is what I was describing as heavy’ as we discussed DF saying no new Switch in 2023.
 
we have to acknowledge that the one thing zeitgeist said would never happen, a cancellation, is now said to have happened

what a fucking rollercoaster
Er, no. Again, Nate nor John are saying Drake, the chip we know exists physically which is explicitly tied to Nintendo, has been cancelled or shelved.

Just that some other planned revision was.
 
I've probably said this countless times before but I am for real so fucking over leaks
Bro what did this even MEAN:

I'm not aware of any other hardware being in the hands of developers. Internally tested concept models not coming to market... maybe. But nothing that ever hit dev kit status has been shelved.

Like hello??? Uhm????

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Again, I apologize, but like…. ??????


I got another one:

Officially, Drake has not been delayed. The window has been late '22/H1 '23 internally for a long while. I've been getting updates on timing; but I will not share any such specifics unless they fall outside that window -- late '22/early 23.

2021 was never in the cards. The only reason is was ever mentioned for 2021 is due to a mix up & conflating the new hardware in the hands of developers with the new hardware entering production with an OLED screen.
HELLO???
 
I would have believed it if Mariko Pro or "Dane" got shelved in 2019/2020.

A 2023 refresh followed up by a 2024-2025 next-gen console seems weird. Seems too late and too short a time for a refresh.

Drake being pushed to 2024 is believable by itself. But now I'm curious as to what this refresh might have been lmao.

Maybe it's as simple as Drake being positioned as Switch Ultra in 2023, those plans being shelved and Drake being positioned as a Switch 2. But if Drake was not intended to be used in the 2023 revision, then I have no idea.

we have to acknowledge that the one thing zeitgeist said would never happen, a cancellation, is now said to have happened

what a fucking rollercoaster
Many argued that Drake specifically being cancelled was unlikely due to the extent of work done on the chip. Otherwise a lot of us acknowledged that some other product, like Mariko Pro, could have been planned and cancelled.
 
Come on, man. It’s pretty obvious Nate is trying to say no new device in 2023. Basically what DF have just said in their podcast as well. Nate’s even said ‘This is what I was describing as heavy’ as we discussed DF saying no new Switch in 2023.
But that isn't what he said. Nor what they said.

He has been explicit that he is not discussing the device we are discussing. We are talking about the Drake powered Switch. He was not.
 
Revision/ successor call it whatever you want to call it. The 2023 dlls hardware is shelved/ delayed. And that's perfectly understandable to be bummed about.
No, that's not what he's saying (What he saying makes not much sense as some others and I are pointing out)
The "DLSS hardware" IS Drake (At least that is what everything indicates towards, even Nate's latest comments) and even Nate says Drake is still OTW (Which makes little to no sense not releasing in 2023 given the timeline so far)

This "Hidden Revision" has no real place in the debate and honestly could be considered a Red-herring.
 
Richard doesn’t seem sure but John does. He’ll have a ton of sources at various devs and he seems to think it’s not happening - at least in 2023.

In my opinion the next update we receive will be one to say this expected 2023 device is awol and that Nintendo will refocus on any new hardware being 100% a successor.

I really hope John is wrong but I don’t think the signs are good. Nate obvious wants to tell us all something, Bloomberg have barely mentioned anything for over a year, DF don’t think anything is imminent despite their developer sources.

This is happening right now as we speak.
 
there is absolutely no sensible way to reconcile this with any device coming in 2023

I know we all like silicon here but the product natedrake knew about is dead, end of story
 
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