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Eclissi said:
Holidays? Leaks have been closed for several months. And if it weren't for the theft suffered by Nvidia, we would still be stuck with the leaks of a year and a half ago..
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Copying is not theft.
Stealing a thing leaves one less left.
Copying it makes one thing more.

Data breach? Sure.

Theft?
Debatable.

Illegal?
Definitely 😂
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
You are correct. So if aiming specifically at 20/20 I guess for a 7" screen seen from a foot away they'd want about 1748x983. Among common screen resolutions one does come pretty close to that...
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Most people's arms are a good bit longer than 1'.
 
KMStwo said:
I agree I hope they will do that. But there are still differences, MS and Sony did not use the same body of their last console and are not claiming their new consoles are of the same family as the previous.

I don't think the next Switch goals in terms of sales are even close to that of the OLED. I assume with such an investment Nintendo would want much better sales than any kind of Switch revision. What I am saying is that I don't think Nintendo would be content with revision sales numbers for this device...I'm not saying it won't secure adoption but adoption of this device has to be much greater than any Switch revision (being even if eventually the successor to the Switch) for Nintendo and Nvidia R&D investments and for the exclusives that will come on it

Time shall tell us...

If true, I'm dissappointed. Looking the exact same as your predecessor or an inferior model is a red flag in my book.

That is why I agree with what ILikeFeet said. Reducing the production of the other models to put Drake in front. And I personally assume they will discountinue the Red box Switch.

I agree and I hope so.

This device has to sell like new hardware not like a revision. I don't think Nintendo would be satisfied if Drake "only" does Switch OLED numbers especially if they are planning exclusives for it and Drake has to carry them for another six years.
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For the record, in terms of physical appearance, I'm (almost) certain that the body has changed, just not by a lot. A new kickstand to facilitate the new internals. The OLED Model only has the design it does because they were able to shrink the components substantially from launch. That isn't the case here.

Plus, the factory leak outright said the body is new.

I think it's likely Devs are working with modified OLED casings with the hinges removed, just like how early Switch Dev kits lacked a kickstand (or even Joy-Con Rails)

The dock however is as close to a certainty as certainty gets. This thing's maximum output is 4K60, why design a new Dock when the "OLED Dock" (officially, Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port) does everything you need, AND has extra cooling, AND bigger tolerances. AND is already popular.

The only difference is I think the Drake Switch will use a black one by default. While this already exists, it would make it stand out in advertising next to the white OLED Model that always appears. I also don't think they'll continue to advertise the red box Switch. So the visual differences in ads will be no dock for Lite, white dock for OLED, black dock for Super/2/Pro/Plus/Drake.
 
Concernt said:
Most people's arms are a good bit longer than 1'.
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Most people aren’t playing games at arms length? I don’t hold the screen that far from my face in handheld mode. I could measure it but it’s probably not that far off from 1’
 
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JoshuaJSlone said:
You are correct. So if aiming specifically at 20/20 I guess for a 7" screen seen from a foot away they'd want about 1748x983. Among common screen resolutions one does come pretty close to that...
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A foot is awfully close, but again, I'm over forty, so maybe you insane youths do hold it closer than that :). I believe Nintendo's published viewing distance is 16 inches, but I can't find that now.

I think the point stands - a 1080p screen is an upgrade, and a nice one to have. Speaking personally, when someone shows me a 1080p and a 720p image side by side, scaled to sub 7 inches, I have to get something like 6 inches from the screen to see a perceptible difference - to close to be able to see the whole image at once. I've not done extensive testing with video in motion however, but I suspect Nintendo would prefer to prioritize a 60fps experience over a 30fps experience, as well as battery life

It's all a matter of tradeoffs, and 1080p isn't a slam dunk win for either the user experience or Nintendo's priorities.

Concernt said:
Copying is not theft.
Stealing a thing leaves one less left.
Copying it makes one thing more.

Data breach? Sure.

Theft?
Debatable.

Illegal?
Definitely 😂
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Trade secrets are theft, both legally and common sensically. As is identity theft, which is what occurred in the wake of Lapsus$ dropping all those social security numbers, though in that case the victim wasn't Nintendo but random employees.
 
Concernt said:
Copying is not theft.
Stealing a thing leaves one less left.
Copying it makes one thing more.

Data breach? Sure.

Theft?
Debatable.

Illegal?
Definitely 😂
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No no, this is theft.

A data breach where they obtained confidential information illegally falls under theft in most places. Especially in the United States. There’s nothing to debate :p.
 
Stinky Horse said:
I guess it's down to interpretation but he seemed to strongly believe it to be the case, which was a marked difference to further back in mid-2020 where he acknowledged that the firmware datamine was pointing to a simple revision in 2021 and that there would not be a Switch Pro in 2021.
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Eh, the episode description reads "We discuss what we anticipate from Nintendo & why they are going to surprise." so it's more of a predictions/speculation thing.

And he says stuff like "probably up until, I'll say, 2024..." and "by 2024 we might have some that is officially branded as Switch 2". Doesn't really come across as a strong belief.
 
oldpuck said:
A foot is awfully close, but again, I'm over forty, so maybe you insane youths do hold it closer than that :). I believe Nintendo's published viewing distance is 16 inches, but I can't find that now.

I think the point stands - a 1080p screen is an upgrade, and a nice one to have. Speaking personally, when someone shows me a 1080p and a 720p image side by side, scaled to sub 7 inches, I have to get something like 6 inches from the screen to see a perceptible difference - to close to be able to see the whole image at once. I've not done extensive testing with video in motion however, but I suspect Nintendo would prefer to prioritize a 60fps experience over a 30fps experience, as well as battery life

It's all a matter of tradeoffs, and 1080p isn't a slam dunk win for either the user experience or Nintendo's priorities.


Trade secrets are theft, both legally and common sensically. As is identity theft, which is what occurred in the wake of Lapsus$ dropping all those social security numbers, though in that case the victim wasn't Nintendo but random employees.
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If I steal an apple from you, you have one less apple. If I photocopy a photo of yours. Now we both have it.

That's... Not theft. Immoral? I mean depending on the picture and how I did it, sure. In that case, yes, it was immoral. But. Theft? Objectively, no.

And nobody's debating whether it was illegal. We ALL know it was illegal.
 
Concernt said:
If I steal an apple from you, you have one less apple. If I photocopy a photo of yours. Now we both have it.

That's... Not theft. Immoral? I mean depending on the picture and how I did it, sure. In that case, yes, it was immoral. But. Theft? Objectively, no.

And nobldys debating whether it was illegal. We ALL know it was illegal.
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Data theft is a thing. Language evolves as society and technology does. Where theft might have only applied to tangible things in the past (?), many proprietary / confidential things only exist as data, and so the definition changes.
 
karmitt said:
Data theft is a thing. Language evolves as society and technology does. Where theft might have only applied to tangible things in the past (?), many proprietary / confidential things only exist as data, and so the definition changes.
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Copying data doesn't delete the original data, though.

To clarify I'm not defending their actions. But equating it to say, food theft, equipment theft, wage theft, etc. is a little, maybe not disingenuous, but inaccurate.
 
Concernt said:
Copying data doesn't delete the original data, though.

To clarify I'm not defending their actions. But equating it to say, food theft, equipment theft, wage theft, etc. is a little, maybe not disingenuous, but inaccurate.
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theft of goods vs theft of information. it's still theft.
 
Concernt said:
Copying data doesn't delete the original data, though.

To clarify I'm not defending their actions. But equating it to say, food theft, equipment theft, wage theft, etc. is a little, maybe not disingenuous, but inaccurate.
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Where do you stand on the phrase "identity theft"?
 
Its the dead of night in Tokyo. Furakawa stands on a stage, atop Nintendo HQ. The moonlight startling against his silhouette.

The press, clammering to get as close as possible after the earth shattering Switch Up presentation that rocked the tech world.

One after another, questions are taken.

"Is the switch up a continuation of the switch brand and strategy or do you see it as a clean break?"

"...."

"Do you think initial sales will be to new users or existing users upgrading?"

"......."

"Is it true you took inspiration for the switch up name from forum user ShaunSwitch or is he now on the Nintendo Ninja list?"

"............."

"With the new device are you hoping to capture some of the PS5 / xbox series audience or do you still focus on your core market?"

"..................."

Furakawa leans into the microphone. Looks into the crowd over the top of his glasses as a helicopter lands behind him, the wind sending ripples through his hair.

" Yes."

His response, dominant, booming, confident, as he steps onto the foot of the helicopter and ascends into the sky. Famiboards debates for months, what could his word mean? Why night time? Why the green suit? Are they merging with xbox? Will the world recover from such an announcement?

......

It's been too long since we have heard anything, I think I'm losing it.
 
Concernt said:
If I steal an apple from you, you have one less apple. If I photocopy a photo of yours. Now we both have it.
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We're not talking about a picture though, we're talking about secret. This isn't software piracy, where you still have the thing and I have the thing, and the damage to you is indirect (losing a possible sale).

If I pretend to be a repair person, walk into your house, sneak a peek at your logged in computer, and write down all of your passwords, yes I've made a copy, but you've had something taken from you. The fact that it is an abstract thing (a secret) doesn't make it less a thing.

Concernt said:
That's... Not theft. Immoral? I mean depending on the picture and how I did it, sure. In that case, yes, it was immoral. But. Theft? Objectively, no.
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The only "objective" standard for what a word means beyond common parlance is its denotative meaning. Legally, the theft of trade secrets is just that, theft. If you want to argue there is an "objective" denotative meaning for theft that isn't the one recorded in statue, then the Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "the act of stealing", and defines stealing as "the action or offense of taking another person's property without permission or legal right" and again, property is a legal term, but if we want to go further, we get to the definition of 'thing' which the OED defines as potentially abstract, including property itself "the right to the possession, use, or disposal of something; ownership."

You cannot invent a new definition by analogy, then call it an objective standard. By legal definition, denotative meaning, connotative meaning and common parlance, taking trade secrets is theft.
 
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The thing I'm most interested in is if the new Switch will be able to run lumen and nanite.

I think Lumen has a shot but Nanite is going to depend on how forward thinking Nintendo is willing to be 😮‍💨

The bare minimum specs still put it above a PS4 docked before any DLSS enhancements.
 
Gotdatmoneyy said:
The thing I'm most interested in is if the new Switch will be able to run lumen and nanite.

I think Lumen has a shot but Nanite is going to depend on how forward thinking Nintendo is willing to be 😮‍💨

The bare minimum specs still put it above a PS4 docked before any DLSS enhancements.
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Do I understand it wrong, or were middleware/third parties not consulted about their requirements/wishes from the new hardware way earlier in the process than usual for Nintendo?

Because if Epic was brought on board early, you can imagine that getting support for the full UE5 was one of the earliest things Nintendo and Nvidia worked on.

Skittzo said:
I wasn't treating it as a joke? If that user was seriously arguing that data theft isn't really theft I wanted to know how they viewed the concept of identity theft, since it's a very similar thing.
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It's an Officer reference lol
 
Concernt said:
If I steal an apple from you, you have one less apple. If I photocopy a photo of yours. Now we both have it.

That's... Not theft. Immoral? I mean depending on the picture and how I did it, sure. In that case, yes, it was immoral. But. Theft? Objectively, no.

And nobody's debating whether it was illegal. We ALL know it was illegal.
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Another example: if I write a piece of code and you use it without my permission, that's theft even though I can still run my own code.
 
Concernt said:
If I steal an apple from you, you have one less apple. If I photocopy a photo of yours. Now we both have it.

That's... Not theft. Immoral? I mean depending on the picture and how I did it, sure. In that case, yes, it was immoral. But. Theft? Objectively, no.

And nobody's debating whether it was illegal. We ALL know it was illegal.
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This isn't a valid use of the the "Copyright infringement is not theft" argument. The Nvidia hack involves breaking and entering and theft of trade secrets, the act of breaking into Nvidia's systems to "to copy their data" is literally a theft.

The same would be true if you hacked my computer and stole pictures I haven't shared online.
Bosintang said:
Another example: if I write a piece of code and you use it without my permission, that's theft even though I can still run my own code.
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Ehh, this depends on how he got your code. If you published that code and he used it w/o permission its copyright infringement, if he stole it from your machine, thats theft.
 
Foltzie said:
Ehh, this depends on how he got your code. If you published that code and he used it w/o permission its copyright infringement, if he stole it from your machine, thats theft.
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Don't be too anal, you know exactly what I mean; even moreso when the original question relates to a hack.
 
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Hosermess said:
Damn it Oldpuck, you stole my idea to create a completely irrelevant argument to pass the time and inject some drama into this thread for my own amusement.

Or wait, do we still both have that idea?
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Hah! I get where @Concernt is coming from, didn't mean to create a pile on. I probably have a little bit of a bug up my ass about it.

It's clear that no one here is defending Lapsus$, but that particular argument gets deployed by people who do, and I think it's wrong. And while we can all condemn someone publishing a bunch of random employees social security numbers online, the fact that we (and I include myself, totally) rabidly consumed the data, and were excited about what it revealed can create a perverse incentive I'm not entirely comfortable with.

Sorry about that.
 
Yeah I mean I made a snarky joke about it but it is an interesting semantic question.

If someone steals my car, I'm not upset that they have a car they weren't legally entitled to, I'm upset because I no longer have my car. From that point of view, the fact that I no longer have the object being stolen is an integral aspect of the theft. You could then extrapolate that, for example, pirating digital goods can never be theft, and I do see the argument for why a data breach falls into a similar category.

However, language evolves. Most people would count identity theft as real theft, despite the fact you don't usually completely lose access to your identity, it's just that someone else is able to use it as well. Similarly - and more relevant to this example - illegally obtaining secrets or other digital information is commonly referred to as theft and stealing, even though again the original holder of the information does not lose it. It might not be the exact same type as theft as the car-stealing example, but common usage says it still counts as theft. To deny that is to take a prescriptivist view of language that I think will likely be a losing battle.

Also to reiterate what everyone else is saying, regardless of what you call it we can all agree it's illegal and unethical lol
 
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hologram said:
Yeah I mean I made a snarky joke about it but it is an interesting semantic question.

If someone steals my car, I'm not upset that they have a car they weren't legally entitled to, I'm upset because I no longer have my car. From that point of view, the fact that I no longer have the object being stolen is an integral aspect of the theft. You could then extrapolate that, for example, pirating digital goods can never be theft, and I do see the argument for why a data breach falls into a similar category.

However, language evolves. Most people would count identity theft as real theft, despite the fact you don't usually completely lose access to your identity, it's just that someone else is able to use it as well. Similarly - and more relevant to this example - illegally obtaining secrets or other digital information is commonly referred to as theft and stealing, even though again the original holder of the information does not lose it. It might not be the exact same type as theft as the car-stealing example, but common usage says it still counts as theft. To deny that is to take a prescriptivist view of language that I think will likely be a losing battle.

Also reiterate what everyone else is saying, regardless of what you call it we can all agree it's illegal and unethical lol
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When your private data is stolen your right to the exclusive use of said data is taken from you. So it's a semi tangible thing that has been lost.

As a comparison a patent is literally defined as a document which legally grants you that exclusive right to use information. In exchange for you making that information public, so that others can build on it.
 
Phantom Thief said:
Do I understand it wrong, or were middleware/third parties not consulted about their requirements/wishes from the new hardware way earlier in the process than usual for Nintendo?

Because if Epic was brought on board early, you can imagine that getting support for the full UE5 was one of the earliest things Nintendo and Nvidia worked on.
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Well obviously that is the hope. But we sit here talking about storage solution for a reason right? Because we know Nanite depends on drive speed and in order to reach that we're going to have to have some minimum game card and storage speeds correct? So if this was just a given wouldn't we have already nailed it down?
 
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yohoopzcrazy said:
I, of course, am in no way an expert in the matter, but I just would like point out that before the price reveal of the OG Switch, a lot of people were expecting $250, mostly due to how "weak" it was perceived as back then. And then they tagged it as $299, everyone screamed of impending doom for Nintendo, fast-foward 6 years, and here we are.

Now, of course times have changed a lot since, especially for mobile technology and how much it has evolved, but I can't help but feel that they will push for $499 for similar reasons: it's a Switch that can play the latest games not available on the current Switch model; people will buy it. Here's hoping for "only" $450 o_O

Actually, a question for ya'll: with what we currently know and expect of Drake, can all that be crammed up in the Switch form factor and not be sold at a loss, if we assume a $450 price tag?
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Nintendo will not sell a console for $450 nevermind $500.

If it’s more than $400 and you want it I will give you the extra, be it $50 or $100. That’s how confident I am in it being $399 in North America.
 
Brofield said:
I really hope $450 is the ceiling. That's $615 CAD with today's conversion rate, and with tax that boosts the price to $695.

Nearly $700, and I am at my absolute limit for what I'm willing to spend on new hardware (not to mention the $80+tax (~$100) for the accompanying Zelda title). If it's coming in at $500 USD, I'm out. I won't doubt for a second it'll be sold out forever and fly through cash registers before they even touch store shelves, but I am absolutely holding out on long term reviews (minimum six months) to ensure that we're not about to go through more joycon drift or other common hardware faults again. Not with that much coin being dropped.

Not to mention how livid I'll be if this is just the "pro" type of upgrade, and the real Switch 2 is coming out just two short years later.
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Between the hack and the kernel commits, I think that ~2 years just isn't enough time to allow for a significant difference between T239/Drake and a Drake-next*. Nowhere near the difference between TX1 and T239. So, I wouldn't be worried about the bolded timeline happening.
Shame that I can't be as reassuring about the price tag though :cautious:

*my reasoning: the performance ceiling is, to some degree, functionally bound by memory bandwidth. The difference between LPDDR5 and 5X is nice, but not 'this is a new generation' level. At least, not without widening the memory bus further again to an extent that conflicts with the Switch form factor. The next major leap would be LPDDR6. That's no earlier than 2026 (not that the standard has been ratified yet; 2026 is just what Samsung's claiming as of this past October).
 
Concernt said:
For the record, in terms of physical appearance, I'm (almost) certain that the body has changed, just not by a lot. A new kickstand to facilitate the new internals. The OLED Model only has the design it does because they were able to shrink the components substantially from launch. That isn't the case here.

Plus, the factory leak outright said the body is new.

I think it's likely Devs are working with modified OLED casings with the hinges removed, just like how early Switch Dev kits lacked a kickstand (or even Joy-Con Rails)

The dock however is as close to a certainty as certainty gets. This thing's maximum output is 4K60, why design a new Dock when the "OLED Dock" (officially, Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port) does everything you need, AND has extra cooling, AND bigger tolerances. AND is already popular.

The only difference is I think the Drake Switch will use a black one by default. While this already exists, it would make it stand out in advertising next to the white OLED Model that always appears. I also don't think they'll continue to advertise the red box Switch. So the visual differences in ads will be no dock for Lite, white dock for OLED, black dock for Super/2/Pro/Plus/Drake.
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Drake will almost certainly use a different colour to differentiate it from the OLED model. The base console is Black, OLED is White how about Nintendo Red for Drake?
 
oldpuck said:
A foot is awfully close, but again, I'm over forty, so maybe you insane youths do hold it closer than that :). I believe Nintendo's published viewing distance is 16 inches, but I can't find that now.

I think the point stands - a 1080p screen is an upgrade, and a nice one to have. Speaking personally, when someone shows me a 1080p and a 720p image side by side, scaled to sub 7 inches, I have to get something like 6 inches from the screen to see a perceptible difference - to close to be able to see the whole image at once. I've not done extensive testing with video in motion however, but I suspect Nintendo would prefer to prioritize a 60fps experience over a 30fps experience, as well as battery life

It's all a matter of tradeoffs, and 1080p isn't a slam dunk win for either the user experience or Nintendo's priorities.


Trade secrets are theft, both legally and common sensically. As is identity theft, which is what occurred in the wake of Lapsus$ dropping all those social security numbers, though in that case the victim wasn't Nintendo but random employees.
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dont have 20/20 but am sslightly shortsighted (1.5), and i holf the switch, depending on my position around 1 feet.

to get con´crete:
when im leaning in my chair, having my hands on the handrests and holding my hands in a 120° angle im having pretty much a foot. sometimes (text small, immersed) i have it more like 90° and i get to ...say 25cm away from my eyes. (rouch measurements with a ruler in a hand).
i more then clearly see steps in text, static images, clean artstyles with a lot of flat shading and hard edges. Its not bad. but i see it. i also see the black lines between the pixels, in my opinion they are hard to ignore coming from any other screen for the first moments. (im not shure if its called screen door effect outside of vr)

im 170, average height, average arm length. maybe some play with their hands stretched out, but i usually rest my hands on something. 16 inch sounds reasonable to me, that would be me in my more far out position when im relaxed and the game doesn't have a small ui (Say mario or kirby, instead of fire emblem oder octopath travler).

The average height is 159.5 cm (5 ft 2.8 in) and the average height of a man is 171 cm (5 ft 7.3 in) for women, so 165.25cm.

holding it further away would mean im holding my arms up stretched out without having my elbows resting somewhere, that sounds rather uncomfortable for more then a minute or two.

but i had this conversation a few times on the old board, and people meant that im holding it unhealthily close and that 2 feet is more like it...

the average arm is 25 inches (random internet source, no idea how accurate). mines 25.59 (roughly measured)...holding it 2 feet would mean im literally holding my hands straight out. honestly, that would not be extremely uncomfortable and i have never seen someone play there handheld that way.
300 dpi is used in print for pictures viewed 2 feet or under. switch (regular) has 236.87 PPI, the oled has 209.8 PPI.

just by statistics the case is pretty set. (im sorry that i get so extensive, but it was rather annoying to argue that not everybody is 2 meters or has bad eye sight and that a increase in resolution from 720p would definitely look better for at least half of the User Base)
(and im not implying you are one of those, im just adding all that information if somebody starts to argue again that 1 feet it way to close ignoring that people have different physiology and not everybody is 2m high...)

essentially: 1080 would be the endgame for 7", going past that only makes sense for VR, but for specific genres (jrpgs, visual novels, adventure games,...) a higher resolution would benefit more then for others (fast paced, action games, or games with big elements and less ui text).

oh, also: pokemon. some of those suckers where really small and hard to see on the small screen if i hold it far from my face.
a higher resolution would not have helped, since the game was struggling to hold 720 as is, and a stable framerate would have also helped to make the game readable. but that is one case where i just had to hold it somewhat closer at moments to see whats happening in the grass further away or under me.
 
Polygon said:
Nintendo will not sell a console for $450 nevermind $500.

If it’s more than $400 and you want it I will give you the extra, be it $50 or $100. That’s how confident I am in it being $399 in North America.
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I mean hell, I admire the optimism and I honestly want to hold you to it 😋 Truthfully I think I'm only as worried as I am about the price just from feeling the pinch of inflation as of late, and even having been fortunate enough to only deal with two sets of drifting joycons I don't want to have to spend a ridiculous amount of money only to be stuck with the same problems going forward.

Look over there said:
Between the hack and the kernel commits, I think that ~2 years just isn't enough time to allow for a significant difference between T239/Drake and a Drake-next*. Nowhere near the difference between TX1 and T239. So, I wouldn't be worried about the bolded timeline happening.
Shame that I can't be as reassuring about the price tag though :cautious:

*my reasoning: the performance ceiling is, to some degree, functionally bound by memory bandwidth. The difference between LPDDR5 and 5X is nice, but not 'this is a new generation' level. At least, not without widening the memory bus further again to an extent that conflicts with the Switch form factor. The next major leap would be LPDDR6. That's no earlier than 2026 (not that the standard has been ratified yet; 2026 is just what Samsung's claiming as of this past October).
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That's good, at least. I recall something about an expected new SoC that would arrive in 2025/2026, and while I wouldn't expect Nintendo to go for that bleeding edge tech right away, it's still a mild concern of mine to have new hardware on the horizon that would feel outdated almost immediately after the fact lol

Polygon said:
Drake will almost certainly use a different colour to differentiate it from the OLED model. The base console is Black, OLED is White how about Nintendo Red for Drake?
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I mean, given the Switch had the red Mario console release already with the V2 Switch, maybe some other colour to make it pop? I could see a nice sort of sky blue working well being fairly inoffensive (because I definitely don't see them doing a gamecube purple or spice orange again in the near future lol)
 
Concernt said:
The only difference is I think the Drake Switch will use a black one by default. While this already exists, it would make it stand out in advertising next to the white OLED Model that always appears. I also don't think they'll continue to advertise the red box Switch. So the visual differences in ads will be no dock for Lite, white dock for OLED, black dock for Super/2/Pro/Plus/Drake.
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Or, and hear me out on this:

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Edit: holy shit @Skittzo how did you do that?
 
Concernt said:
For the record, in terms of physical appearance, I'm (almost) certain that the body has changed, just not by a lot. A new kickstand to facilitate the new internals. The OLED Model only has the design it does because they were able to shrink the components substantially from launch. That isn't the case here.

Plus, the factory leak outright said the body is new.

I think it's likely Devs are working with modified OLED casings with the hinges removed, just like how early Switch Dev kits lacked a kickstand (or even Joy-Con Rails)

The dock however is as close to a certainty as certainty gets. This thing's maximum output is 4K60, why design a new Dock when the "OLED Dock" (officially, Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port) does everything you need, AND has extra cooling, AND bigger tolerances. AND is already popular.

The only difference is I think the Drake Switch will use a black one by default. While this already exists, it would make it stand out in advertising next to the white OLED Model that always appears. I also don't think they'll continue to advertise the red box Switch. So the visual differences in ads will be no dock for Lite, white dock for OLED, black dock for Super/2/Pro/Plus/Drake.
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I agree and I hope they will at least do as you say to be visually different enough than the OLED.
 
Brofield said:
That's good, at least. I recall something about an expected new SoC that would arrive in 2025/2026, and while I wouldn't expect Nintendo to go for that bleeding edge tech right away, it's still a mild concern of mine to have new hardware on the horizon that would feel outdated almost immediately after the fact lol
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Not wrong to recall such a thing! In 2021, Nvidia did announce a successor to Orin; Atlan. That was due to go into cars in the 2025/2026 timeframe. Just like how we've speculated about an Orin-derivative being used for the next Switch, we've occasionally wondered about there potentially being an Atlan-derivative later.
(more recently, as of this September, Atlan has been scrapped and been replaced with Thor. Thor's still planned for 2025)
 
Gotdatmoneyy said:
The thing I'm most interested in is if the new Switch will be able to run lumen and nanite.

I think Lumen has a shot but Nanite is going to depend on how forward thinking Nintendo is willing to be 😮‍💨

The bare minimum specs still put it above a PS4 docked before any DLSS enhancements.
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nanite is a software function. it runs on practically anything. this isn't something to worry about

Phantom Thief said:
Do I understand it wrong, or were middleware/third parties not consulted about their requirements/wishes from the new hardware way earlier in the process than usual for Nintendo?

Because if Epic was brought on board early, you can imagine that getting support for the full UE5 was one of the earliest things Nintendo and Nvidia worked on.
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middleware support is more a function of the hardware architecture. and this is running standard-ass Ampere. there won't be a feature it can't run in theory
 
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