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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)
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So what? Its a discussion forum, we discuss - whats the point of it otherwise? Also its not a Santa letter at all. I just wanted to ask, what that thing he mentioned back then was all about.
KeijiKG
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Reading the thread is haaaaaaaaard, but the nerve of these people not having the courtesy to leave milk and cookies -- or beer if you're Australian, so I've been told.
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If there were an update, he’d have given an update. It’s not really discussion to drag someone in here who is pointedly not participating day to day.
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From what I personally know, you can ignore it as it doesn’t mean anything. They had a good start for November.
It's to be expected honestly at this point, as shipments start ramping up ps5/series x. That doesn't necessary mean doom and gloom for the Switch suddenly.
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The reason isn’t really what you think, just backed up on the supply chain and it had its effect for the past two months.
and for a nearly 6year old device that’s impressive
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Leaving something other than Hennessy for Nate? Come on
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He drinks one those hifalutin rich guy drinks (can’t remember what he called it) I know this because he talked about it on Spawn Wave Podcast
stodesign12
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I have my original v1 Switch since March 3rd 2017 lol, it works perfectly and doesn't have almost any scratches, so I don't really need another one...
Aether
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then...wait. honestly, the games look the same. The new display is slightly better, shure.
but 350$ better?
for that price you can get a display that looks great with a switch. add some more to it and you can get an oled here for 750€, better longterm investment (ok, shure, its 400$ more...)
if you are just a mobile gamer ...then its harder to argue, with better battery and oled, but i would say its still not 350$ worth.
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Oh Jesus, I didn't realize we had a prototype name already, I use to be so good at following these kind of things. I'll never forget the Cafe and the NX hype cycles.
I'd safely assume Drake would release late 2023 or early 2024. I think Nintendo will have Zelda be the swansong again, and probably re-release it on the new hardware. Any future Metroid titles will be on the new hardware, rip Premake.
I'd safely assume Drake would release late 2023 or early 2024. I think Nintendo will have Zelda be the swansong again, and probably re-release it on the new hardware. Any future Metroid titles will be on the new hardware, rip Premake.
drake isn't the new hardware's name, it's the codename of the SoC. like Erista and Mariko for the launch Switch and Switch V2/Lite/OLED respectively
ProteusRidley
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Just further proof how out of the loop I am. Thanks.
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If you want to catch up there are two big summaries that are relatively recent and accurate. One here, by me, that sums up most everything up till late September
Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)
I personnally hate this kind of thing. It's impossible to pronounce lol Nintendo Twitch, obviously
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And @LiC's excellent post on the leak out of Nvidia
Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation |ST|
Looking back, since Switch's release the max capacity for microSDs has quadrupled (256GB to 1TB) and "low" capacity cards like 64GB and 128GB now cost maybe half what they did. Rewritable media has continued getting larger and cheaper, but whatever Switch is using is either dead-end or acting...
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I think they were more referring to me. And it's totally fine. There is also nothing wrong quoting Nate or any member. They are free to reply.
NateDrake
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I will not comment on it, as the information has neither been disproven nor confirmed. Sharing specifics about it would only lead to speculative videos and discussions that needn't take place.
I assume you mean my Anisette?
What brand?
NateDrake
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Jacquin's. Nothing fancy.
I knew you were not a snob.
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your 'highfalutin' rich guy drink' is anisette? the thing that half of Europe drinks?
NateDrake
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The panel/cast thought it was a strange drink and something no one knew of. It's the only drink I can think of that I mentioned that was met with an odd reaction.
I grew up with anisette or sambuca being served at every dinner and family gathering.
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Yes that’s the one. What is that? Some kind of liqueur ?
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UE5.1 is out. not drake relevant, but fun tech news. I wonder if Drake can use the High setting for 30fps lumen
The AI accelerated animation solutions made my eyebrows go up.
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Are you anticipating any new hardware talking points in your podcast before end of the year? More and more it feels like the sentiment in here is 'wait until January+'
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It’s a family of anise liquors that’s consumed throughout the Mediterranean. Often diluted down into a long, mildly alcoholic drink. Nice on hot days, depending on your feelings toward licorice.
they're talking about it on stage.
UE5 support confirmed
sub 5W for their tech demo
phone manufacture, Oppo, has a 720p/60fps demo, not shown yet
demo shown
MOTHERFUCKING RESTIR
multi-bounce reflections
caustics and refraction
high resolution shadows
new demo by iQoo
Justice mobile by Netease shown, coming early 2023
pretty much every major phone maker
UE5 support confirmed
sub 5W for their tech demo
phone manufacture, Oppo, has a 720p/60fps demo, not shown yet
demo shown
MOTHERFUCKING RESTIR
multi-bounce reflections
caustics and refraction
high resolution shadows
new demo by iQoo
Justice mobile by Netease shown, coming early 2023
pretty much every major phone maker
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UE5.1 is out. not drake relevant, but fun tech news. I wonder if Drake can use the High setting for 30fps lumen
Speaking of video game engine news:
Godot 4.0 Engine Adds Movie Maker Mode - Phoronix
www.phoronix.com
And speaking of Godot 4.0, considering that Godot 4.0 probably won't get official support from Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony, I wonder if Panic Button, Saber Interactive, Virtuos, etc., could join the list of third party developers in providing porting and/or publishing services, but for Nintendo's new hardware (and for the PlayStation 5 and/or Xbox Series X|S). And I wonder if Lone Wolf Technology, Pineapple Works, RAWRLAB Games, and mazette! plan on including Nintendo's new hardware to the list of platforms where porting and/or publishing services are provided.
the creators of Godot started a new company with the sole purpose of creating tools to port Godot games to consoles, so it won't be a problem for Godot 4.0Speaking of video game engine news:
Godot 4.0 Engine Adds Movie Maker Mode - Phoronix
And speaking of Godot 4.0, considering that Godot 4.0 probably won't get official support from Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony, I wonder if Panic Button, Saber Interactive, Virtuos, etc., could join the list of third party developers in providing porting and/or publishing services, but for Nintendo's new hardware. And I wonder if Lone Wolf Technology, Pineapple Works, RAWRLAB Games, and mazette! plan on including Nintendo's new hardware to the list of platforms where porting and/or publishing services are provided.
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From what I have caught up on it seems to me that (completely speculative of course) the New Switch will most likely come out around March to April 31st 2023, or June to October 2023. Now as for the hardware I have the most above average understanding of the specs but need more research on the topic.
Following up on my previous statements I feel that the extensive testing I have recorded and that I have seen this machine probably is going to be the best on the market when it hits shelves.
From the little knowledge I have on the speculated specs and from extensive research (cut through the projects and papers I have for school) it seems like this device is more than capable.
Now (this is starting to get long) as for exclusive things such as games, patches, and dlc (for some reason
) I personally believe that for every console the big guys and gals over at Nintendo have released, that have exclusives but are still apart of the line of consoles for that generation, have failed, BIG. The GBC the 3Ds and the WiiU (technically these are not apart of the console family they came out with respectively) have all shown that launching a console apart of a console 'family' and giving that specific one exclusives within the fisrt year of it launching, was a very bad idea for console staying power.
Now off of the debatable stuff and into some games we want to see on Nintendo Switch any game from any generation.
Personally I would love to see remakes of some of the pokemon games remastered on switch such as Pokemon Sun and Moon (including Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon), Pokemon X and Y, Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald. Some other games would be CyberPunk and someother third party AAA games but I have wasted your time long enough.
Just note that everything said in this post is completely speculative and has some essence of actual days and weeks spent researching. I have another post from sometime last week where I went over the reason why it most likely won't lauch in may and if there is anything you would like to correct me on please feel free to
. Have a good night, day, evening fellow speculators.
Following up on my previous statements I feel that the extensive testing I have recorded and that I have seen this machine probably is going to be the best on the market when it hits shelves.
From the little knowledge I have on the speculated specs and from extensive research (cut through the projects and papers I have for school) it seems like this device is more than capable.
Now (this is starting to get long) as for exclusive things such as games, patches, and dlc (for some reason
) I personally believe that for every console the big guys and gals over at Nintendo have released, that have exclusives but are still apart of the line of consoles for that generation, have failed, BIG. The GBC the 3Ds and the WiiU (technically these are not apart of the console family they came out with respectively) have all shown that launching a console apart of a console 'family' and giving that specific one exclusives within the fisrt year of it launching, was a very bad idea for console staying power.Now off of the debatable stuff and into some games we want to see on Nintendo Switch any game from any generation.
Personally I would love to see remakes of some of the pokemon games remastered on switch such as Pokemon Sun and Moon (including Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon), Pokemon X and Y, Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald. Some other games would be CyberPunk and someother third party AAA games but I have wasted your time long enough.
Just note that everything said in this post is completely speculative and has some essence of actual days and weeks spent researching. I have another post from sometime last week where I went over the reason why it most likely won't lauch in may and if there is anything you would like to correct me on please feel free to
. Have a good night, day, evening fellow speculators.
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What is restir?
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I don’t really see the need of re-releasing the game again on the new hardware. That doesn’t add much here. If it’s meant to release the same day, then release it as a pair and join them in the marketing cycle. Otherwise? There’s no real reason to do that. It’s just trying to get back a missed opportunity at that point.
I know this was presented as a more of what could be done, but now I’m curious: what exactly could be added to Drake from Ada Lovelace, if Ampere and Ada offer a lot of similarities architecturally?
What would be the likeliest thing to add for Drake?
reservoir spatio-temporal importance resampling. think TAA, but for sampling lights with ray tracing. it's a very recent technique, with the first research paper going out in 2020
Spatiotemporal reservoir resampling for real-time ray tracing with dynamic direct lighting | Research
Efficiently rendering direct lighting from millions of dynamic light sources using Monte Carlo integration remains a challenging problem, even for off-line rendering systems. We introduce a new algorithm—ReSTIR—that renders such lighting interactively, at high quality, and without needing to...
a lengthy (30mins) but very good video that explains it way better
NateDrake
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Nothing in the plans beyond a pure discussion on the need (or lack of) new hardware in 2023.
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Just adding that this is a both a very good video on restir and RT in general.
Shader Execution Reordering would likely be the big one
LiC
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By a series of coincidences that largely began due to mixed-up reporting on the OLED, we learned about the new Switch model way too early. This was reinforced by the possibly once-in-a-lifetime event of the Nvidia hack providing additional corroborating details. The fact that we have all this information has probably led some people to feel the hardware must be imminent for going on a year now, but since the series of coincidences hasn't persisted*, the human instinct to see patterns in everything is swinging back to the other end of the spectrum and deciding that this actually all means the hardware is years away and trying hard to find reasons to explain away the information that was learned before.
In reality, we're still entirely on track for the kind of hardware development timeline you would expect if design decisions happened by the end of 2019 and development was in full swing in 2020, possibly elongated but not majorly so by the pandemic. But being in this thread every day and talking every day about how it's not happening yet and thinking about it all the time will stretch that timeline into an eternity. Let's acknowledge that while speculation and discussion and debate are fun, there is a level of spiraling engagement with a subject like this that can become exhausting, and color perceptions of the hardware situation itself.
*On that subject, besides the continued references to T239 in public Nvidia code, I think it's underdiscussed how the Nvidia hack may have had a chilling effect on industry chatter and the usual reporting about new Nintendo hardware. Reputable outlets wouldn't want to pick back up on "new Nvidia chip to enable DLSS in upcoming Switch model" reporting when precisely that info was the subject of a criminal computer breach (even if in the mainstream that event wasn't strongly linked to Nintendo). It also happened at exactly the perfect time, coming as it did on the heels of the OLED mixup and subsequent beclowning around Nintendo hardware rumors.
In reality, we're still entirely on track for the kind of hardware development timeline you would expect if design decisions happened by the end of 2019 and development was in full swing in 2020, possibly elongated but not majorly so by the pandemic. But being in this thread every day and talking every day about how it's not happening yet and thinking about it all the time will stretch that timeline into an eternity. Let's acknowledge that while speculation and discussion and debate are fun, there is a level of spiraling engagement with a subject like this that can become exhausting, and color perceptions of the hardware situation itself.
*On that subject, besides the continued references to T239 in public Nvidia code, I think it's underdiscussed how the Nvidia hack may have had a chilling effect on industry chatter and the usual reporting about new Nintendo hardware. Reputable outlets wouldn't want to pick back up on "new Nvidia chip to enable DLSS in upcoming Switch model" reporting when precisely that info was the subject of a criminal computer breach (even if in the mainstream that event wasn't strongly linked to Nintendo). It also happened at exactly the perfect time, coming as it did on the heels of the OLED mixup and subsequent beclowning around Nintendo hardware rumors.
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TBF, AI-Aided Animation is a thing NVIDIA has been pushing for a while and it doesn't look half-bad.
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From what I understand, that’s SIMD repacking and it’s situational at best (hence requiring a separate API, sorta). I think the Opacity Micro Map Engine and the Displaced Micro Mesh thing would be a better add in the longer term.
I like this particular line in the previous page:
So it’s something that can be added to the RT core.
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Yeah, this is definitely something I think bears repeating because I don't think the implications of it are fully appreciated. There have been two distinct events this hardware cycle that each individually had a chilling affect on reporting around this hardware. I really don't think any journalist wants to take any significant risks on it right now.
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Okay, slowly breath-in, slowly breath-out, breath-in, breath-out. No need to panic.
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I read it as a lack of a need for new hardware, not a lack of new hardware. ie. a “Do we need new hardware in 2023 or not?” discussion.
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Unrelated, but for some reasons I’ve been getting random posts in this frilly font when I’m logged out.
I read this as if it were a stereotypical Aristocratic British man from the late 1800s, older and has a monocle, wears a butlers uniform and there was piano music playing in the background. He had a cup of tea in his hand.
My brain just switched to that… and this is oddly very specific…
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To add more context to a potential Drake launch in 2023, it might be worth our time to check the PS2's situation. It sold 223M units of software and 16M of consoles in the fiscal year ending Mar 06. which is the year its successor was launched. Interestingly, the hardware sales that year were actually higher than the one prior.
The Switch's current situation is more or less comparable with its high HW and SW sales figures. But that's where the similarities end; despite being in a mature phase, the PS brand overall was making already less an less money at that point whereas Nintendo is keeping making more and more. The decline between 02 and 05 was rather brutal:
Now, to be clear, I frankly have no idea why Playstation's income was decreasing before the PS3 launch but I am really interested in the answer. If we knew more about the reasons behind Playstation's failing income back then, we could compare both situations in a bit more details and eventually speculate more accurately about what could motivate Nintendo to release Drake next year (or not).
Also, I took the PS2 to PS3 transition as an example but the same is true for the others (PS1 to PS2 and PS3 to PS4).
The Switch's current situation is more or less comparable with its high HW and SW sales figures. But that's where the similarities end; despite being in a mature phase, the PS brand overall was making already less an less money at that point whereas Nintendo is keeping making more and more. The decline between 02 and 05 was rather brutal:
Now, to be clear, I frankly have no idea why Playstation's income was decreasing before the PS3 launch but I am really interested in the answer. If we knew more about the reasons behind Playstation's failing income back then, we could compare both situations in a bit more details and eventually speculate more accurately about what could motivate Nintendo to release Drake next year (or not).
Also, I took the PS2 to PS3 transition as an example but the same is true for the others (PS1 to PS2 and PS3 to PS4).
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The answer for the cratering operating profit is simple: PS3 was a money pit from minute one, so much so that it got Ken Kutaragi booted out of the division he all but founded. There's nothing more that needs to be said for the reason why, it's been extensively analyzed and always comes back to the same conclusion.To add more context to a potential Drake launch in 2023, it might be worth our time to check the PS2's situation. It sold 223M units of software and 16M of consoles in the fiscal year ending Mar 06. which is the year its successor was launched. Interestingly, the hardware sales that year were actually higher than the one prior.
The Switch's current situation is more or less comparable with its high HW and SW sales figures. But that's where the similarities end; despite being in a mature phase, the PS brand overall was making already less an less money at that point whereas Nintendo is keeping making more and more. The decline between 02 and 05 was rather brutal:
Now, to be clear, I frankly have no idea why Playstation's income was decreasing before the PS3 launch but I am really interested in the answer. If we knew more about the reasons behind Playstation's failing income back then, we could compare both situations in a bit more details and eventually speculate more accurately about what could motivate Nintendo to release Drake next year (or not).
Also, I took the PS2 to PS3 transition as an example but the same is true for the others (PS1 to PS2 and PS3 to PS4).
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