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A bit of a tricky question, but what would battery life be like? I know we don't have any figures on the battery capacity and SoC's clock speed (with Drake being the SoC). Will it stay roughly the same as the current Switch or be a lot better like 2x the playtime?
 
ACE+ said:
A bit of a tricky question, but what would battery life be like? I know we don't have any figures on the battery capacity and SoC's clock speed (with Drake being the SoC). Will it stay roughly the same as the current Switch or be a lot better like 2x the playtime?
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Like you indicated, we don't know. It also depends on the process node used and the battery density they go with. We really can't say when any certainty at this point.

I'll guess that it'll be closer to og Switch battery but that's just a guess
 
Terrell said:
“Nintendo wouldn’t possibly do the thing they done with their successful hardware over and over again one more time!” Hell, even Sony has engaged in this precise behaviour with the best-selling home console of all time, introducing PS3 at 2 consecutive E3s before its launch as PS2 was still selling 20mil a year and PS3 barely made a dent in its sales until the year the PS3 launched (and even then, sales only dropped to 15mil that year, give or take). So the entire industry regularly ignores this “concern” that generally doesn’t really exist (or at least not to the scope people fret about), not letting current success stop them from paving the way for their future hardware.
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I’m just going to say that the industry and the way new products have rolled out has changed a lot since, like, 2006.

It used to be the norm to announce new hardware ~18 months ahead of time. The Wii was announced (as Project Revolution) in E3 2005. The Wii U was announced at E3 2011. But in the last decade, trends have been toward notably shorter announcement-to-release timeframes. The PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 were both announced the same year they came out in, unlike the PS2, PS3, and PSP. The Switch was announced six months before launch.

I’m not saying that, like, it’s completely impossible that Nintendo would announce the new Switch this year and ship it early next. I’m just saying that examples from over 15 years ago aren’t particularly relevant. Companies were more reliant on trade shows and consumers were still getting their news from game magazines; it was a very different world.
 
Skittzo said:
Like you indicated, we don't know. It also depends on the process node used and the battery density they go with. We really can't say when any certainty at this point.

I'll guess that it'll be closer to og Switch battery but that's just a guess
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My hunch is that the OG Switch battery was sort of a one-time compromise Nintendo had to make in order to ship the Switch when they did, and their goal for future hardware is to target the battery life of Mariko Switch. But that’s just my hunch.

I don’t think their goal is for an improved Switch to get notably worse battery life.
 
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ACE+ said:
A bit of a tricky question, but what would battery life be like? I know we don't have any figures on the battery capacity and SoC's clock speed (with Drake being the SoC). Will it stay roughly the same as the current Switch or be a lot better like 2x the playtime?
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There's so much we don't know that any remotely definitive statement would be pure speculation, but my personal expectation is that it'll be in the neighborhood of the 2017 Switch battery life, maybe a bit better by 30m-1h.

Personally I'm interested in the battery life when playing (unpatched) Switch games on Drake through backward compatibility. I assume it should match the v2 and OLED battery life, but can it go even further beyond?
 
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It's fine, I'm used to multiple experiences like that in web forums circa late 00's/early 10's.
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What tickles my mind is the whole "mostly" part of their post. Why specifically word it like that?
 
Usually the 'mostly' applies to the stated time frame right? Like they'll show off some stuff due way later.

...but for those who want to have some fun, dream big. Surely there's some timeline out there where the 'mostly' refers to 'games'. Maybe it's ours :unsure:

Edit: Ok, fine, there's the Mario movie. Dream even bigger than that then. 'All of the above' is there to be taken!
 


What is this?!? I guess it can’t be a tease to hardware… but.. maybe off topic but… we getting PS4 games or something? Or… What does it mean!

Edit: oh. They are having their own “state of play” tomorrow as well. Okay. Ignore me.
 
niconiconick64 said:
It's fine, I'm used to multiple experiences like that in web forums circa late 00's/early 10's.
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What tickles my mind is the whole "mostly" part of their post. Why specifically word it like that?
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because they'll also cover games past the mentioned time period. this is common for them
 
Gay Bowser said:
I’m just going to say that the industry and the way new products have rolled out has changed a lot since, like, 2006.

It used to be the norm to announce new hardware ~18 months ahead of time. The Wii was announced (as Project Revolution) in E3 2005. The Wii U was announced at E3 2011. But in the last decade, trends have been toward notably shorter announcement-to-release timeframes. The PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 were both announced the same year they came out in, unlike the PS2, PS3, and PSP. The Switch was announced six months before launch.

I’m not saying that, like, it’s completely impossible that Nintendo would announce the new Switch this year and ship it early next. I’m just saying that examples from over 15 years ago aren’t particularly relevant. Companies were more reliant on trade shows and consumers were still getting their news from game magazines; it was a very different world.
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But we both know this argument isn't about time from announcement to release, and I've made my opinion quite plain that, yes, time from announcement to release is shortening with each successive presidential era at Nintendo.

The argument in play here is "they don't want to risk losing revenue/profit in the holiday sales period by announcing new hardware beforehand". And last I checked, nothing's changed in the past 5 years that way. Nintendo wasn't some non-profit that was uninterested in making money from the 90s to today that would explain why past instances of announcing new hardware before a holiday period when existing hardware was still selling well don't relate to the modern era, nor is there a likelihood that the consumer has changed so drastically in the past 5 years when it has consistently behaved the same for the past 20. There's no reasoning behind that kind of exceptionalism argument, to treat Switch revenue as precious and inviolable.
 
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If you were still in charge, what would the successor of the Nintendo Switch look like to you?

What's so provocative about that question is, again, Nintendo is a company that just believes in innovation and doing things fundamentally different and so in all likelihood, the successor is going to be something completely different. If I were, you know, the king of Nintendo for a day, I personally believe that we're almost at the point where a streamed gaming experience can be brought to bear.

Essentially, all we need today is better routers in our home and any game including fast twitch games, can be experienced through a cloud stream type of experience. What I would love to see is a cloud-based experience. So no platform in the home — everything is done through the cloud. This way, it truly becomes an experience where you've got new content, [and] you've got the best of all of the old content that's made available through some sort of subscription service. That's what I would do. But candidly, I don't think the router improvement is going to happen for another probably three to four years. So that's when I would bring the successor platform to bear.
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I personally don't like the idea of cloud gaming. And I don't know if four years is a sufficient amount of time to upgrade the internet infrastructure, especially outside of East Asia and Southeast Asia, to fully support cloud gaming. (I think a minimum of a least a decade is required.)
 
I was wondering when this thread would get sticky. Anyways i assume the "mostly" part they are referring to would mean fall-winter, as in Oct, Nov, DEC? and future games would be Dec-April?
 
plank said:
I was wondering when this thread would get sticky. Anyways i assume the "mostly" part they are referring to would mean fall-winter, as in Oct, Nov, DEC? and future games would be Dec-April?
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I took it as late November to March, with some wiggle room for limited things past that.
 
Just an hour of playing Splatoon 3 and it’s really clear how much of a mistake Nintendo made with shutting down Miiverse

They could have made apps for phones with it, integrated it with Switches OS. Could have been a big deal and done a lot for Nintendo’s online experience
 
Dakhil said:
www.fanbyte.com

Reggie Fils-Aimé Talks Diversity, What a Switch Successor Could Look Like

Former head of Nintendo of America talks about the importance of diversity in the games industry, and how he'd envision a Switch successor.
www.fanbyte.com

I personally don't like the idea of cloud gaming. And I don't know if four years is a sufficient amount of time to upgrade the internet infrastructure, especially outside of East Asia and Southeast Asia, to fully support cloud gaming. (I think a minimum of a least a decade is required.)
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Talk about some terrible takes from Reggie. We are many years out from cloud gaming being "good enough" for the majority of folks and I still don't want it. I would not buy a cloud based Nintendo system. Yuck!
 
Skittzo said:
Like you indicated, we don't know. It also depends on the process node used and the battery density they go with. We really can't say when any certainty at this point.

I'll guess that it'll be closer to og Switch battery but that's just a guess
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I'd definitely say OG Switch if the leaked specs we're discussing is 100% legitimate. Considering Steam Deck gets to 1.5 to 2 hours running high end games at 480p then upscaled, it completely depends on if Nintendo uses a better 5nm node + a bigger battery. If not, expect your AAA games to last 2.5 hours before going flat.
 
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Dakhil said:
www.fanbyte.com

Reggie Fils-Aimé Talks Diversity, What a Switch Successor Could Look Like

Former head of Nintendo of America talks about the importance of diversity in the games industry, and how he'd envision a Switch successor.
www.fanbyte.com

I personally don't like the idea of cloud gaming. And I don't know if four years is a sufficient amount of time to upgrade the internet infrastructure, especially outside of East Asia and Southeast Asia, to fully support cloud gaming. (I think a minimum of a least a decade is required.)
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While cloud gaming imo is a very cool concept that has grounds to exist. We aren't at the point where it can take priority. The compression algorithms need to become much better and more efficient than they are now, input latency needs to decrease dramatically and routers need to evolve to reduce packet loss which I believe is what Reggie is talking about.

Currently at this time, I would prefer an improved Switch to a fully cloud platform.
 
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Excatly.
Cloud Gaming is going to be for the Super-Casuals, and just like Movies and Music, there will still be real Hardware for enthusiastics
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Exactly. I personally believe physical game collecting will go the way of Vinyls and Blu-Rays. People who really love the medium will still purchase physical products, however due to advancements in technology such as streaming and AI fixing of streams such as improving colour depth and upscaling/low latency interpolation, cloud gaming will be good enough that anybody can just buy a smart tv or monitor to stream their games on.
 
TheSpearGuy said:
Excatly.
Cloud Gaming is going to be for the Super-Casuals, and just like Movies and Music, there will still be real Hardware for enthusiastics
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Cloud gaming is going to be for corporations who want eShop-like distribution without the consistent at-will accessibility of a title sold through digital distribution or the constraint of hardware requirements. It's to make companies more money with less effort and less upfront cost; if there are any consumer benefits, they're entirely incidental.
 
I think developers would welcome a huge transition towards cloud gaming: no more piracy & no more datamining. With games becoming more and more digital I don't think Cloud gaming will be just for "Super casuals" Platform holders like Sony/MS/Nintendo might eventually opt for Cloud-only in favor of the developers.
 
For anyone curious, do not really read much into the wording.


They said games mostly targeting Winter, which spans the months of December 21st to March 21st.

That means there will be games that would be for Summer, Spring or Autumn announced.

And perhaps some info on the Mario Movie.


Do not expect anything about Hardware!
 
Yavga said:
I think developers would welcome a huge transition towards cloud gaming: no more piracy & no more datamining. With games becoming more and more digital I don't think Cloud gaming will be just for "Super casuals" Platform holders like Sony/MS/Nintendo might eventually opt for Cloud-only in favor of the developers.
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I think anyone selling a home console might, but I don’t think Nintendo will go cloud-only given how much portables are the most reliable part of their business. They might eventually make everything available as a cloud service in addition, but a huge chunk of their business is making their games playable on their hardware, anywhere. Cloud-gaming-only effectively rules out commuters and holidaymakers playing on portables while travelling.
 
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The only thing hardware related I could see them doing, although it would be a first iirc, is teasing an announcement during the Direct itself.
Like "This presentation is over, but we still got some information regarding the future of the Switch systems family to share with you.
Check out our dedicated presentation on [...] at [...]", of course with a tweet at the same time.
It'd be a nice way to keep the hype even further imo.
 
Pixelknight said:
I think anyone selling a home console might, but I don’t think Nintendo will go cloud-only given how much portables are the most reliable part of their business. They might eventually make everything available as a cloud service in addition, but a huge chunk of their business is making their games playable on their hardware, anywhere. Cloud-gaming-only effectively rules out commuters and holidaymakers playing on portables while travelling.
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Even with broadband mobile (4G/5G/+) becoming more common and eventually cheaper? I don't see it happening within 5 years or with the next Nintendo generation, but I feel like it is only a matter of time before we have internet everywhere, always. Nintendo might join that trend.
 
Yavga said:
Even with broadband mobile (4G/5G/+) becoming more common and eventually cheaper? I don't see it happening within 5 years or with the next Nintendo generation, but I feel like it is only a matter of time before we have internet everywhere, always. Nintendo might join that trend.
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Hmm, I’m thinking of stuff like the underground rail networks, aircraft. I mean, sure, if we’re talking 2 generations out I’m not gonna claim I have any idea where Nintendo (or any other part of the industry) is going, but I think Nintendo would always make sure that if you’ve got a device and a game, you’re good. That’s why I think, if they did implement cloud play for everything, they’d still sell physical versions of some games just for kids and collectors, and probably for much longer than MS/Sony would. Even if it’s just a generation longer. As they are just that bit closer to being a toy company. At that point we’re looking at 10+ years out and it’s hard to predict that far ahead.
 
I think cloud gaming is a nice addition to the gaming landscape, and will probably grow in popularity and dedicated titles, but I don’t think it will replace physical and downloads. The infrastructure might be there in x years to technically be able to sell the concept, but there are downsides that come with it that mean you’ll want to offer consumers alternative methods.

Now, possibly having games available through all three different methods and cheaper cloud-only lite versions of consoles, however…
 
Pixelknight said:
Hmm, I’m thinking of stuff like the underground rail networks, aircraft. I mean, sure, if we’re talking 2 generations out I’m not gonna claim I have any idea where Nintendo (or any other part of the industry) is going, but I think Nintendo would always make sure that if you’ve got a device and a game, you’re good. That’s why I think, if they did implement cloud play for everything, they’d still sell physical versions of some games just for kids and collectors, and probably for much longer than MS/Sony would. Even if it’s just a generation longer. As they are just that bit closer to being a toy company. At that point we’re looking at 10+ years out and it’s hard to predict that far ahead.
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Nintendo will always be a Toy Company AFAIK. They never claimed to be a video game company. That's why you have amiibos, labo, and other "toy" stuffs. It's only Nintendo that does this. That's why I firmly believe that physical games for Nintendo consoles won't be going away anytime soon.
 
Just software will give them more than enough to talk about today. I would love to finally see Drake, but am not expecting it until ""Spring 2023"" if you catch my drift.
 
Just to be clear I'm just going to be here to be around the excitement. No more info from me <3

I really enjoy my SD as a piece of tech but I'm seriously thinking of selling it for around £400 UK (including shipping) if anyone is interested. It's the bog standard one although compared to my 3 year old laptop it feels like it has an SSD in it. It's been used to benchmark some AAA games and play 100 hours of PoE over the past four months so not any huge strain on the battery or silicon.

I think also it's the nature of the games I'm trying to play on it (PoE, WoW, LoL) not only are they PC exclusive games which don't always map great to controllers but you have to jump through hoops just to install and get them to run (WoW especially).

Having a Switch even as powerful as that with the Switch form factor is going to be incredible. I hope my Spit-Pad Pro's still work with Drake (no reason why they shouldn't)!

I tried playing Elden Ring on my laptop yesterday and oh my lord even at 720p with EVERYTHING at low and it still chugs around at 20-40fps (maybe not enough VRAM with massive stalls). It really shows off how powerful SD is as it runs the game at 720p with most things at Medium and texture res at high at a mostly locked 30fps. Show how important a lot of RAM is especially on an open platform and not a console.
 
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Nintendo will always be a Toy Company AFAIK. They never claimed to be a video game company. That's why you have amiibos, labo, and other "toy" stuffs. It's only Nintendo that does this. That's why I firmly believe that physical games for Nintendo consoles won't be going away anytime soon.
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Word..but Nintendo is a video game company as well. They can be more than one thing
 
Dakhil said:
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Reggie Fils-Aimé Talks Diversity, What a Switch Successor Could Look Like

Former head of Nintendo of America talks about the importance of diversity in the games industry, and how he'd envision a Switch successor.
www.fanbyte.com

I personally don't like the idea of cloud gaming. And I don't know if four years is a sufficient amount of time to upgrade the internet infrastructure, especially outside of East Asia and Southeast Asia, to fully support cloud gaming. (I think a minimum of a least a decade is required.)
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I've always felt the same until a few weeks ago I subbed to the top tier PS5 Online service. I played Miles Morales just to try it and I swear it felt like it was a native experience and although it was a tad soft image quality it looked well above 1080p with good AA and overall very nice IQ and most importantly it felt very, very responsive. This was hardwired to a PS4 Pro on a 100mb down / 20mb up connection mind you.
 
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The only thing hardware related I could see them doing, although it would be a first iirc, is teasing an announcement during the Direct itself.
Like "This presentation is over, but we still got some information regarding the future of the Switch systems family to share with you.
Check out our dedicated presentation on [...] at [...]", of course with a tweet at the same time.
It'd be a nice way to keep the hype even further imo.
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I kind of expect an announcement of the Drake announcement too. Dunno if it would be in the direct but feels like a missed opportunity if it wasn’t. New hardware, especially hardware that is this impressive, should be given a big hype show. I’d love to see another live event like they did with the Switch.
 
mjayer said:
I kind of expect an announcement of the Drake announcement too. Dunno if it would be in the direct but feels like a missed opportunity if it wasn’t. New hardware, especially hardware that is this impressive, should be given a big hype show. I’d love to see another live event like they did with the Switch.
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Maybe that's where the 9/25 date from that uncle comes in. Could it work if it was Saturday 9/24 for Americas and Europe and midnight 9/25 for Asia?
 
Z-Z0 said:
Maybe that's where the 9/25 date from that uncle comes in. Could it work if it was Saturday 9/24 for Americas and Europe and midnight 9/25 for Asia?
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Charitably, "9.25" could refer to the week of the 25th of September, going by Nintendo's history of when Nintendo does announcements, especially hardware announcements.

I personally don't think there's going to be any announcement on the 24th/25th of September, nor am I optimistic for any announcement on the week of the 25th of September.
 
I don't expect an announcement but maybe an indirect hint, like BOTW2 release date.

That'd be a missed opportunity for sure but i'd love to see my post age poorly.
 
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I kind of expect an announcement of the Drake announcement too. Dunno if it would be in the direct but feels like a missed opportunity if it wasn’t. New hardware, especially hardware that is this impressive, should be given a big hype show. I’d love to see another live event like they did with the Switch.
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I'd be very surprised if they announce it in a Direct, as it would take too much attention away from the games (and vice versa). I'm expecting pretty much the same thing as the original Switch; a short video uploaded to YouTube to reveal the device, then a more in-depth look and game showcase at a later date.
 
Dakhil said:
Charitably, "9.25" could refer to the week of the 25th of September, going by Nintendo's history of when Nintendo does announcements, especially hardware announcements.

I personally don't think there's going to be any announcement on the 24th/25th of September, nor am I optimistic for any announcement on the week of the 25th of September.
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I thought it was clarified that the person who posted this date was referring to the Direct date?
 
kvetcha said:
Who needs media preservation, anyway
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Or actual ownership of the media you buy, palpable collectables like art and manuals* (that can be digitized into scans for preservation anyways), etc...

Cloud gaming has no place in the industry and only alienates the consumer. No money for gaming hardware? buy an older gen console, hell, get it from the used market even. But paying a fee for not owning anything, having a mediocre to awful gaming experience, sometimes even getting on a queue to play a game (I'm looking at you, XCloud) is inexcusable.

I can't wait for a next gen switch to come out so developers will have less of a reason to resort to cloud """ports""".

*I know most games on switch don't come with any goodies inside the box, but some still do (eg: omori) and collector's/special editions exist anyways so...
 
Thraktor said:
I'd be very surprised if they announce it in a Direct, as it would take too much attention away from the games (and vice versa). I'm expecting pretty much the same thing as the original Switch; a short video uploaded to YouTube to reveal the device, then a more in-depth look and game showcase at a later date.
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That makes sense but it's also a new generation Switch they can choose, for some reason, to present as a "'simple upgrade' so in any case, it's not totally comparable to the first Switch's launch. They also teased the NX announcement on the official site in Europe (with that famous Mario behind a curtain), prior to the actual reveal trailer.
I don't really see them shadow drop such a huge reveal like they did with Lite or OLED without some prior teasing but it's hard to predict.
 
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