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I'm of the opinion that we should always have a General Speculation thread so that the main Nintendo thread can just be about game talk and hanging out. I like my stuff separate like that.
 
Magic-Man said:
I'm of the opinion that we should always have a General Speculation thread so that the main Nintendo thread can just be about game talk and hanging out. I like my stuff separate like that.
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This is such a terrible idea. We shouldn't encourage the state of this thread as the status quo
 
Saw some talking about it yesterday, so here’s a breakdown of Team Asano/Division VI leads, excluding the mobile games because I can’t find credits and don’t really care:

Octopath Traveler (developed by Acquire)
  • Producer: Masashi Takahashi
  • Assistant Producer: Masaaki Hayasaka
  • Scenario: Kakunoshin Futsuzawa
  • Character Design: Naoki Ikushima
  • 2D Pixel Design: Shizuka Morimoto

Bravely Default II (developed by ClayTechWorks)
  • Producer: Masashi Takahashi
  • Assistant Producer: Hirotaka Matsumoto
  • Planning Supervisor: Yuta Hase
  • B ‘n’ D Planning Director: Naofumi Matsushita
  • Map Planning Supervisor: Junichiro Matsui
  • Project Manager: Natsumi Miwa
  • Project Assistant: Ippei Tokuchi
  • Scenario: Naoki Yamamoto
  • Character Design: Naoki Ikushima

Triangle Strategy (developed by Artdink)
  • Producer: Yasuaki Arai
  • Development Managers: Shou Igarashi, Miki Kimura
  • Scenario & Event Supervisor: Yuta Hase
  • Project Managers: Natsumi Miwa, Yuuko Suzuki
  • Project Assistants: Ippei Tokuchi, Isabell Daye Chun
  • Scenario: Naoki Yamamoto
  • Character Design: Naoki Ikushima
  • 2D Pixel Design: Shizuka Morimoto

LIVE A LIVE (developed by Historia)
  • Producer: Takashi Tokita
  • Assistant Producer: Naofumi Matsushita
  • Project Managers: Natsumi Miwa, Yuuko Suzuki
  • Project Assistant: Isabell Daye Chun
  • Pixel Artist: Megumi Tanaka

Based on the LAL credits, Takahashi seems to have been promoted to manager, so someone else will likely take his position for BD and Octopath. We already know that Masaaki Hayasaka is the producer of the DQ3 remake.

They’ve already said more HD-2D games are in development. Octopath 2 has basically been confirmed and I wouldn’t be surprised if BD continues.
 
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Raccoon said:
What have I not made clear? This thread being constant makes it really dull and strung out
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I totally respect that sentiment, but many of us do not feel that way, instead enjoying the ups and downs and memes and other good-natured craziness that goes on here. I would wager that over 95% of my time reading here on Famiboards is spent between this thread and the hardwares speculation thread, as they bring me the most enjoyment (I catch up on them at every meal and just before bedtime).

What I really don't understand is why you, or anyone else who is finding this thread unenjoyable, keep spending time here? Why not pop in once a week or something instead of being here daily? I don't get it.
 
TheBodge said:
I totally respect that sentiment, but many of us do not feel that way, instead enjoying the ups and downs and memes and other good-natured craziness that goes on here. I would wager that over 95% of my time reading here on Famiboards is spent between this thread and the hardwares speculation thread, as they bring me the most enjoyment (I catch up on them at every meal and just before bedtime).

What I really don't understand is why you, or anyone else who is finding this thread unenjoyable, keep spending time here? Why not pop in once a week or something instead of being here daily? I don't get it.
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It's about the culture. I believe that the threads are better as temporary spaces dedicated to specific periods and events. I wanted to close this thread after Kirby, honestly.
 
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TheBodge said:
What culture?
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a long term thread that resets every morning with no hope or expectation for most of the year sounds absolutely miserable to me

maybe it seems appealing now, with september only slightly too far away. but what about after the tokyo game show partner showcase? what about in the middle of october with no sign of metroid prime?
 
for those who fear the lack of a speculation space will threaten the general thread, might I recommend this one?

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Raccoon said:
a long term thread that resets every morning with no hope or expectation for most of the year sounds absolutely miserable to me

maybe it seems appealing now, with september only slightly too far away. but what about after the tokyo game show partner showcase? what about in the middle of october with no sign of metroid prime?
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Again, if this sounds absolutely miserable to you, I don't see why you would spend time here.

Personally, doing a bit of speculating about Nintendo every day is a lot of fun for me and apparently for a lot of other people, hence why we come to this thread and the hardware thread regularly.

So, what culture were you referring to?
 
TheBodge said:
Again, if this sounds absolutely miserable to you, I don't see why you would spend time here.

Personally, doing a bit of speculating about Nintendo every day is a lot of fun for me and apparently for a lot of other people, hence why we come to this thread and the hardware thread regularly.

So, what culture were you referring to?
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The culture of the thread. The way people post, how they treat each other, and the collective sentiment about Nintendo speculation. Shorter, purposeful threads maximize the positive feelings of the above, long dry periods maximize negative feelings.

You keep trying to spin this onto me as "just leave," but I'm trying to endorse what I think will be best for the site. You say it's fun now, but come winter you'd still be doing it because the thread is there, and the thread would be soul-suckingly dour.
 
TheBodge said:
Again, if this sounds absolutely miserable to you, I don't see why you would spend time here.

Personally, doing a bit of speculating about Nintendo every day is a lot of fun for me and apparently for a lot of other people, hence why we come to this thread and the hardware thread regularly.

So, what culture were you referring to?
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@Raccoon just got evicted from his own thread
 
If the camp that supports a constant thread wins, I see no reason to have separate general and speculation threads. Just let the monthly thread also accommodate speculation while leaving the chit-chat thread as the haven for chill discussion. If the Direct threads are truly as consistent as some seem to imply then the impact would be constant and minimal.

Having a concurrent speculation thread, chill thread, and ??? thread would be absurd.
 
Raccoon said:
The culture of the thread. The way people post, how they treat each other, and the collective sentiment about Nintendo speculation. Shorter, purposeful threads maximize the positive feelings of the above, long dry periods maximize negative feelings.

You keep trying to spin this onto me as "just leave," but I'm trying to endorse what I think will be best for the site. You say it's fun now, but come winter you'd still be doing it because the thread is there, and the thread would be soul-suckingly dour.
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I mean, the vast majority of the users here signed up because of this thread and the hardware speculation one.
Just compare the views these two threads have with the rest. It's clear what users focus on.
 
MissingNo. said:
Having a Direct Speculation Thread in Q4/FQ3 is pointless, though. Do we want to speculate about the Feb/Mar Direct for half a year?
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I've come to agree with this. My original proposal in fall was for a Q1 thread and Q3 thread, with E3 getting separate considerations because it's so consistent (lmfao). Under this model, E3 speculation would presumably take place in the thread for the date announcement, which historically has come in May.
 
MissingNo. said:
Having a Direct Speculation Thread in Q4/FQ3 is pointless, though. Do we want to speculate about the Feb/Mar Direct for half a year?
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Usually October and November are all about TGA announcements speculation.
December is the only dead month.
 
Raccoon said:
I've come to agree with this. My original proposal in fall was for a Q1 thread and Q3 thread, with E3 getting separate considerations because it's so consistent (lmfao). Under this model, E3 speculation would presumably take place in the thread for the date announcement, which historically has come in May.
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On the other hand, though, having these threads around permanently as a containment zone for Direct speculation ensures the General Discussion Thread remains a chill hangout spot. Perhaps that thread could be rebranded as "Community Thread" to make the distinction clearer.
 
MissingNo. said:
Having a Direct Speculation Thread in Q4/FQ3 is pointless, though. Do we want to speculate about the Feb/Mar Direct for half a year?.
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Not to mention that there might be new hardware announcements so people could be speculating for a direct that never happens. I like when Nintendo switches things up and doesn’t follow a boring pattern for news and announcements. Chaos is more fun
 
Raccoon said:
The culture of the thread. The way people post, how they treat each other, and the collective sentiment about Nintendo speculation. Shorter, purposeful threads maximize the positive feelings of the above, long dry periods maximize negative feelings.

You keep trying to spin this onto me as "just leave," but I'm trying to endorse what I think will be best for the site. You say it's fun now, but come winter you'd still be doing it because the thread is there, and the thread would be soul-suckingly dour.
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I'm not trying to spin anything, I'm trying to explain my position on why I want this thread to continue to exist, while also trying to understand your position that seems to be contrary to mine.

In terms of how people are treating each other in this thread, isn't it a) up to each poster to choose their own behavior, b) up to each poster/reader to either directly call out disrespectful behavior and/or report disrespectful behavior to the mods, and c) up to the mods to handle disrespectful behavior as per the site's standards?

Yes, I say it is fun now.

And what is this all about?: "come winter you'd still be doing it because the thread is there, and the thread would be soul-suckingly dour." Are you pretending to know what my motivations for reading this thread, and reactions to this thread, will be in the future? What?
 
TheBodge said:
I'm not trying to spin anything, I'm trying to explain my position on why I want this thread to continue to exist, while also trying to understand your position that seems to be contrary to mine.

In terms of how people are treating each other in this thread, isn't it a) up to each poster to choose their own behavior, b) up to each poster/reader to either directly call out disrespectful behavior and/or report disrespectful behavior to the mods, and c) up to the mods to handle disrespectful behavior as per the site's standards?

Yes, I say it is fun now.

And what is this all about?: "come winter you'd still be doing it because the thread is there, and the thread would be soul-suckingly dour." Are you pretending to know what my motivations for reading this thread, and reactions to this thread, will be in the future? What?
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Are you new here? I'm not sure if you are. On ResetEra, there were long periods in the Direct threads that were absolutely miserable, but people posted because the thread was there.

The primary difference now of course is that the community there has an entire site to itself, so the social aspect can be served elsewhere and, in theory, the thread's activity can stop naturally in these dry periods.

However, I feel that there is a component of social engineering in designing a forum and its threads, and maintain that said design influences people's behavior. Right now we are "speculating" about nothing, so if there wasn't a place dedicated to it no one would be speculating.
 
hologram said:
Hi folks, we'd like to survey the community a little to get a sense of what people want for this thread, and for the Speculation threads more broadly.

At this point, it seems fairly unlikely that there will be any event in July. This was always a distinct possibility, and at the time this thread was made the contingency plan was to simply convert this thread to the Fall Direct Speculation thread at the start of August.

The rationale behind this plan:
  • this way will stick closest to the original seasonal schedule of these threads (with the Fall one just starting, uh, very early)
  • people enjoy these threads, even if there isn't much to speculate about

Some potential counterpoints to this plan:
  • people are starting to feel a little fatigue from the constant speculation
  • the line between this thread and the General thread is increasingly unclear
  • this thread tends to be more cliquey and can be off-putting to newcomers

So, with this in mind, here are a few proposals for how to handle this thread (and Speculation threads in general) moving forward:
1. Continue with the current plan as outlined above
2. Leave this thread open, and allow these threads to exist more permanently with less formally defined rules
3. Close this thread, and open a new one mid-August
4. Close this thread, and retire these threads for a little while

We are of course open to any and all alternative suggestions. Thanks!

-Aurc, Donnie, hologram, mazi
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On the other hand, though, having these threads around permanently as a containment zone for Direct speculation ensures the General Discussion Thread remains a chill hangout spot. Perhaps that thread could be rebranded as "Community Thread" to make the distinction clearer.
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but we have a chill chat thread
 
Raccoon said:
Are you new here? I'm not sure if you are. On ResetEra, there were long periods in the Direct threads that were absolutely miserable, but people posted because the thread was there.

The primary difference now of course is that the community there has an entire site to itself, so the social aspect can be served elsewhere and, in theory, the thread's activity can stop naturally in these dry periods.

However, I feel that there is a component of social engineering in designing a forum and its threads, and maintain that said design influences people's behavior. Right now we are "speculating" about nothing, so if there wasn't a place dedicated to it no one would be speculating.
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No, I am not new here, have been reading Famiboards from its inception, was a regular reader of ResetEra, and was perusing the Nintendo and Xbox threads of NeoGAF before then. I just don't find any interest in posting most of the time because all you fine folks typically discuss everything I would want to discuss while also being highly informative and entertaining.

You talk of social engineering, and I am in agreement on your points about that, but the statement "people posted because the thread was there" can be applied to any and every other thread on this site, so it makes no valid argument for this thread being closed versus every other thread.

And what is wrong with just hanging out and chit-chatting about various video game-related topics (or Subway, I guess) when the news or speculating is slow? Why does that have to be done in a different thread? It's comfy here with all the "extras" that come along with the speculating, in my opinion.

The end of your last sentence sums it up nicely for me - where are we going to speculate if there isn't a speculation thread? I want to speculate, as do others here, so if this thread is gone, we are either going to have to speculate in another thread (or another forum) or not speculate at all. I don't like either of those options, and I'm not sure either option is good for the overall health of the site.
 
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Honestly, I think the solution that would satisfy everyone is putting some rules in place about what discussion is allowed in the speculation threads. Serious or shitpost, everything in this thread should relate to upcoming Nintendo announcements in some way.

TheBodge said:
And what is wrong with just hanging out and chit-chatting about various video game-related topics (or Subway, I guess) when the news or speculating is slow? Why does that have to be done in a different thread? It's comfy here with all the "extras" that come along with the speculating, in my opinion.
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I do agree with this, but we have segmented all of the extras out. We already have two general hangout threads. The Nintendo General Discussion thread is of course descended from the Direct Speculation threads of ResetEra.
 
bixente said:
Comments like this reinforces the cliquey nature of this thread. We should do better to welcome newcomers to Famiboards.
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It's not about being unwelcoming, it's about understanding the basis of the discussion. My characterization of how the threads would go in winter is based on history, not random conjecture or extrapolation of someone's current posting.
 
I am not worried about new members. We had a bunch of cool active people join towards the end of our time on Era and have had plenty more cool active people join on Famiboards
 
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Raccoon said:
It's not about being unwelcoming, it's about understanding the basis of the discussion. My characterization of how the threads would go in winter is based on history, not random conjecture or extrapolation of someone's current posting.
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Raccoon, I think the point several people are trying to make is that your opinion is still just your opinion, even if it has historical basis. It seems pretty likely to me, for instance, that a variant of this thread would be less 'miserable' in the winter because it's not the entire focus of the Nintendo community of this site. On ResetEra, it was. So if you wanted a chill Nintendo community hangout thread, all you had was the Direct Speculation thread, and you had to co-exist with people hyping up an event months away that you weren't that interested in talking about. Additionally, threads in general tended to be more miserable on Era. That's why we made this site lol

I do understand your opinion is that year-round spec threads would be bad for the site, not just for you, but people are still allowed to disagree
 
hologram said:
Raccoon, I think the point several people are trying to make is that your opinion is still just your opinion, even if it has historical basis. It seems pretty likely to me, for instance, that a variant of this thread would be less 'miserable' in the winter because it's not the entire focus of the Nintendo community of this site. On ResetEra, it was. So if you wanted a chill Nintendo community hangout thread, all you had was the Direct Speculation thread, and you had to co-exist with people hyping up an event months away that you weren't that interested in talking about.
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I know that my posts are kind of rambly and directionless but I already conceded this in the post that they grabbed that unflattering quote from

Raccoon said:
The primary difference now of course is that the community there has an entire site to itself, so the social aspect can be served elsewhere and, in theory, the thread's activity can stop naturally in these dry periods.
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edit: and of course they're allowed to disagree, that's why I'm arguing with them! my asking if they were new was to explain why I was saying what I was, not to shut down their argument against it
 
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And what is this all about?: "come winter you'd still be doing it because the thread is there, and the thread would be soul-suckingly dour." Are you pretending to know what my motivations for reading this thread, and reactions to this thread, will be in the future? What?
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this specifically was why I tried to give my opinion that historical context: to make clear that what I was saying wasn't specifically about him
 
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Raccoon said:
Honestly, I think the solution that would satisfy everyone is putting some rules in place about what discussion is allowed in the speculation threads. Serious or shitpost, everything in this thread should relate to upcoming Nintendo announcements in some way.


I do agree with this, but we have segmented all of the extras out. We already have two general hangout threads. The Nintendo General Discussion thread is of course descended from the Direct Speculation threads of ResetEra.
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As much as I agree that certain topics at certain times can completely derail a thread or cause unneeded conflict, I feel that having hard and fast rules about what can and can not be discussed in this thread is trending a bit too close to content policing.

And once content policing happens here, why not in other threads, too?

That's a very dangerous and slippery slope if you ask me.

Personally, I think thread derailments should be handled by the thread's community (posters and readers), and if peer pressure does not work, then get the mods involved to get the thread back on track (or at least less off-track).
 
TheBodge said:
As much as I agree that certain topics at certain times can completely derail a thread or cause unneeded conflict, I feel that having hard and fast rules about what can and can not be discussed in this thread is trending a bit too close to content policing.

And once content policing happens here, why not in other threads, too?

That's a very dangerous and slippery slope if you ask me.

Personally, I think thread derailments should be handled by the thread's community (posters and readers), and if peer pressure does not work, then get the mods involved to get the thread back on track (or at least less off-track).
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I think you're probably right. People don't like rules, and they'd have to be either frustratingly strict or wind up frustratingly ambiguous. Not a good solution
 
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Personally one of the reasons I'd suggest a year round speculation thread(s) is unnecessary is because we do have other places where news, rumours, and other developments can be shared. We have a hardware thread; we have threads for individual games; we have a thread on first party development which isn't necessarily full of speculation, but does have interesting information about development arrangements, hiring calls, the activities of different producers and so on.

Right now though I kind of think this conversation isn't going to be that relevant. We're a week away from August and there are reasonable grounds to expect multiple news drops (Pokemon, Kart, Indie World, Splatoon Direct) in August, which means there's plenty of justification to keep going here. With TGS still on for September, some sort of Direct (regular or Partner Showcase) seems very likely, too.
 
Something I've been considering for a while, mostly because I think it would be funny but also because it might give these threads a nice backbone, is the literalization of The Clock. I could set up a web countdown that resets at the usual times for the next time something would be expected. After a Direct is announced the clock would stop, and would be restarted once people started getting excited again.

This would decouple the existence of the thread and the freedom to post in it from my desire to in some way indicate when we're waiting and for what.
 
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