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Raccoon said:
Sorta. There was to be scheduled lulls in between regardless of if and when the Direct came. i.e. there were deadlines and designated start dates
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Quarterly seasonal specc threads would sorta have built-in lulls if they still close once the Direct is announced, right?
 
chocolate_supra said:
Quarterly seasonal specc threads would sorta have built-in lulls if they still close once the Direct is announced, right?
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Yep, that's what I was thinking. Let's take calendar Q1 as an example

January 1, the thread opens. We speculate about a January Direct, rumors come, don't pan out, and it comes in February. Then the thread closes until April 1. If there were a January Direct, the thread could perhaps close and then be re-opened when a rumor starts.

Of course, the obvious problem with operating the thread based on the existence of rumors is that these threads are generally how we keep track of them
 
For what it's worth, we do seem to have a pretty good idea of what August will look like at this point:
  • Splatoon 3 trailer(s) and/or Direct obviously
  • BCP Wave 2 will presumably exist at some point
  • Pokémon SV preorders will begin, presumably accompanied by a trailer
  • I guess Kirby's Dream Buffet? It's still very weird that didn't have a release date.
It'll probably be some version of that with Metroid Prime Remake and Drake being potential wild cards, but the former feels like a September announcement and the latter doesn't seem like a good thing to plan around absent more concrete rumors about the reveal.
Raccoon said:
Yep, that's what I was thinking. Let's take calendar Q1 as an example

January 1, the thread opens. We speculate about a January Direct, rumors come, don't pan out, and it comes in February. Then the thread closes until April 1. If there were a January Direct, the thread could perhaps close and then be re-opened when a rumor starts.

Of course, the obvious problem with operating the thread based on the existence of rumors is that these threads are generally how we keep track of them
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Nintendo's Q4 is typically fairly quiet, though. It's been ages since there was a general Direct then.
 
I think it should be closed and a new one opened in early September, which is a reasonable estimate for the next direct. A one month break from all this drama would be good for everyone. We aren't doing anything in here that can't be done in a normal topic.
 
I think Kirby's Dream Buffet shadow drops with the Nintendo Direct for September. Technically still summer. If Metroid Prime doesn't get announced in August, then I don't think it's coming out this year. Hopefully we get an Indie World in August.
 
The fact that the new Kirby game still doesn't have a date seems strange. If they plan to shadow drop it during an event, why not just wait until that very event? I don't know anymore.
 
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I have said it before but Nintendo considers early January holiday season, Sept to early January would give enough marketing room for Prime 1
 
Supreme Bum 01 said:
I think it should be closed and a new one opened in early September, which is a reasonable estimate for the next direct. A one month break from all this drama would be good for everyone. We aren't doing anything in here that can't be done in a normal topic.
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hologram said:
Hi folks, we'd like to survey the community a little to get a sense of what people want for this thread, and for the Speculation threads more broadly.

At this point, it seems fairly unlikely that there will be any event in July. This was always a distinct possibility, and at the time this thread was made the contingency plan was to simply convert this thread to the Fall Direct Speculation thread at the start of August.

The rationale behind this plan:
  • this way will stick closest to the original seasonal schedule of these threads (with the Fall one just starting, uh, very early)
  • people enjoy these threads, even if there isn't much to speculate about

Some potential counterpoints to this plan:
  • people are starting to feel a little fatigue from the constant speculation
  • the line between this thread and the General thread is increasingly unclear
  • this thread tends to be more cliquey and can be off-putting to newcomers

So, with this in mind, here are a few proposals for how to handle this thread (and Speculation threads in general) moving forward:
1. Continue with the current plan as outlined above
2. Leave this thread open, and allow these threads to exist more permanently with less formally defined rules
3. Close this thread, and open a new one mid-August
4. Close this thread, and retire these threads for a little while

We are of course open to any and all alternative suggestions. Thanks!

-Aurc, Donnie, hologram, mazi
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Keep the thread open, but try to keep it more on topic. If people are fatigued about talking about potential dates, line-ups, announcements and leaks, leave the thread. If you want to just hang out and just talk non-sense in a thread with low effort, and sometimes quite high effort, shit posts, go to the Nintendo General Discussion.

Sometimes there are 1-2 pages of good discussion about Golden Sun, Platinum's position, Donkey Kong followed by 5 pages of football, subway sandwiches and plain memes.
 
I think this thread should still be open because there's technically still a chance for something this coming week, however unlikely that may be.

One it's August we can have one for August.
 
I'm not entirely sure why people would be upset that there is a general Nintendo rumor/speculation thread. It's also one of the most popular threads on these forums so it would be a strange move to close this thread. If anything just have the title of the thread more focused on general rumors and speculation and not Directs in general. A lot of us still love to discuss rumors and speculation and leaks and such. No need to shut it down and if you're someone who doesn't like rumors, speculation, leaks, etc then why not just ignore the thread and visit other threads instead?
 
Nathan Little said:
Xenoblade 3 has me hyped, but I wonder if I should play Torna Country and Future Connected before I play 3. I worry I might feel burnt out.
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Yeah I personally would but that's just me. I played through the first game and Future Connected earlier this year, took a good several month break and now I'm working on Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I couldn't do all these games at once though. Got to space them out.
 
IMO a "Nintendo Direct Speculation" thread should always exist, but it should be locked as soon as a Direct is announced (to encourage people to participate in the actual Direct ST) and then reopened sometime after it airs (the timeframe for this I'm less sure about). I understand that some people can have discussion/hype fatigue, but I'm not sure that has to mean the discussion needs to be shut down for everyone else.

Options 1 and 2 work for me.
 
Nathan Little said:
Xenoblade 3 has me hyped, but I wonder if I should play Torna Country and Future Connected before I play 3. I worry I might feel burnt out.
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Torna and FC are mercifully rather short, though. I mean, Torna is long for being a DLC chapter but it's not like those two together add up to a full Xeno game in length.

Have you recently finished XB2? We aren't even sure if FC is gonna have any real story significance to 3 yet, but Torna is definitely a significant chapter in 2's story. So if you're worried about burnout and want to squeeze Torna in before 3 that might be a good compromise.
 
78/80 missions completed in Octo Expansion. I'm going to be dead and buried before I nail the HUGE "match the puzzle shape" challenge. Ridiculous lmao
 
chocolate_supra said:
Torna and FC are mercifully rather short, though. I mean, Torna is long for being a DLC chapter but it's not like those two together add up to a full Xeno game in length.

Have you recently finished XB2? We aren't even sure if FC is gonna have any real story significance to 3 yet, but Torna is definitely a significant chapter in 2's story. So if you're worried about burnout and want to squeeze Torna in before 3 that might be a good compromise.
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I've beaten both games in the respective years they came out in the states. I probably will be fine since it's been awhile.
 
I like the quarterly threads idea. Sure, Q4 might not usually have a Direct but that’s where we can put the usual Game Awards speculation and hype (that leads to massive disappointment per usual).

I vote we leave this thread open through July, then open the first thread of that type as the Q3 Thread on August 1st.
 
You might as well leave the thread open. It'll be August soon enough, and this brand if craziness can remain here.

Blue Monty said:
I have said it before but Nintendo considers early January holiday season, Sept to early January would give enough marketing room for Prime 1
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I hope they don't have it wait that long, honestly. As it stands right now, the rest of my year on the Nintendo side looks pretty light, with only Bayonetta 3 being the main draw, and possibly Mario Rabbids 2 being something I could wait on as the rare Nintendo thing that will actually drop in price during Ubi sales.
 
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Dragoncaine said:
78/80 missions completed in Octo Expansion. I'm going to be dead and buried before I nail the HUGE "match the puzzle shape" challenge. Ridiculous lmao
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It's been years since I played the Octo Expansion, and just from this I'm getting war flashbacks to that stage, don't even have to ask which one
 
Bill Trinen dunking all over Marvel on Twitter made my day, never knew he had it in him to get as nitpicky as some of us.
 
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Chie said:
I pick option 4. Shut it down and keep it down for a while. Reopen it in late August to speculate about a September Direct.
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Unless I misread, "shut it down and repoen partway through August" would be option 3.

Sorry, I'm not trying to sound nitpicky like Bill Trinen talking about Marvel on twitter.
 
Chie said:
Option 4 is shut it down and end this thread for a while. I figured a month would be considered a while.
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Yeah, I gotcha. But with option 3 already being reopening in a month, I think option 4's idea of "a while" is more "indefinitely."

Again, unless I misunderstood the staff, which is entirely possible. I just watched all the MCU stuff and then moved a fridge in the dark so my brain is a little frayed
 
chocolate_supra said:
Yeah, I gotcha. But with option 3 already being reopening in a month, I think option 4's idea of "a while" is more "indefinitely."

Again, unless I misunderstood the staff, which is entirely possible. I just watched all the MCU stuff and then moved a fridge in the dark so my brain is a little frayed
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A direct thread to speculate for a September direct makes sense, but should wait until late August when it would be more relevant/we get more rumbling.

This thread has been really pointless. It started as July Event thread, we even had Nate say that there probably isn't anything coming and we still kept it going. Then it devolved into a tweet anticipation/speculation thread with that weird attention seeking No Directs Ever Again tag. All just one big thread trying to will something into existence from nothing.

Also don't care about marvel so I really don't know what all that's about.
 
Phendrift said:
Oh man, just checked his Twitter 😂
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Yeah from what I'm seeing he's genuinely interested and hyped about some of the movies, so he's not just hating. He's baiting people into arguments and then just being chill as hell when they bite. It's almost impressive. 😅
 
Nintendo is going to be Nintendo.

And we know that they have to make announcements sometime. There is so much on the docket that it's absolutely insane not to expect either:

Random announcements that happen via Twitter or a quick YouTube trailer.

A more specialized direct.

A full on fat, general direct.

Whether or not that information comes from a direct or anything is still completely irrelevant. This year we are still going to need information on:

Splatoon 3
Pokemon Scarlet and Violet
Mariokart 8 DLC
Breath of the Wild 2(as long as it's not delayed)
And even then we still don't know anything about 2023 besides Zelda. There is a ton of stuff rumored with various degrees of legitimacy that could potentially meet that 2023, or previous games that were announced like:
Fire Emblem Switch 2
Metroid Prime 4 or a potential remaster of the first game
A resident evil game made custom for Switch

Chie said:
A direct thread to speculate for a September direct makes sense, but should wait until late August when it would be more relevant/we get more rumbling.

This thread has been really pointless. It started as July Event thread, we even had Nate say that there probably isn't anything coming and we still kept it going. Then it devolved into a tweet anticipation/speculation thread with that weird attention seeking No Directs Ever Again tag. All just one big thread trying to will something into existence from nothing.

Also don't care about marvel so I really don't know what all that's about.
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The problem is, we did get a shit ton of stuff this July.

We got:
A release date and new trailer for Bayonetta 3
A new Kirby spinoff announced
A new Splatoon Oled Switch
Stuff for Livealive and Xenoblade 3

Closing this thread makes absolutely no sense, and I think that turning it into a "direct thread" would increase expectations to an unreasonable level. This should just be labeled as a Nintendo Announcement thread for thr time being. Because, there is a ton of stuff coming, but it may not be a Nintendo direct.

First on the docket is Splatoon 3 marketing, it could be a direct, or a series of trailers, or anything. They will have to start that early August, especially if we have to do a test fire.

Pokémon marketing needs to begin soon as well, especially considering that the announcement wasn't marketed in NA due to Ukraine.

Neither of these things could be in a Direct, or they could both be theoretically. And these things can come at any time. And if people are tired of speculation, just put this thread on the ignore list for a bit. It seems wrong to kick a community out of an active thread.
 
Lozjam said:
Nintendo is going to be Nintendo.

And we know that they have to make announcements sometime. There is so much on the docket that it's absolutely insane not to expect either:

Random announcements that happen via Twitter or a quick YouTube trailer.

A more specialized direct.

A full on fat, general direct.

Whether or not that information comes from a direct or anything is still completely irrelevant. This year we are still going to need information on:

Splatoon 3
Pokemon Scarlet and Violet
Mariokart 8 DLC
Breath of the Wild 2(as long as it's not delayed)
And even then we still don't know anything about 2023 besides Zelda. There is a ton of stuff rumored with various degrees of legitimacy that could potentially meet that 2023, or previous games that were announced like:
Fire Emblem Switch 2
Metroid Prime 4 or a potential remaster of the first game
A resident evil game made custom for Switch


The problem is, we did get a shit ton of stuff this July.

We got:
A release date and new trailer for Bayonetta 3
A new Kirby spinoff announced
A new Splatoon Oled Switch
Stuff for Livealive and Xenoblade 3

Closing this thread makes absolutely no sense, and I think that turning it into a "direct thread" would increase expectations to an unreasonable level. This should just be labeled as a Nintendo Announcement thread for thr time being. Because, there is a ton of stuff coming, but it may not be a Nintendo direct.

First on the docket is Splatoon 3 marketing, it could be a direct, or a series of trailers, or anything. They will have to start that early August, especially if we have to do a test fire.

Pokémon marketing needs to begin soon as well, especially considering that the announcement wasn't marketed in NA due to Ukraine.

Neither of these things could be in a Direct, or they could both be theoretically. And these things can come at any time. And if people are tired of speculation, just put this thread on the ignore list for a bit. It seems wrong to kick a community out of an active thread.
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Sure we got announcements in July, but not for the kind of things this thread was made for. It was made to discuss a hypothetical giant 1st party direct and/or a new piece of higher spec Switch hardware. Neither of those things came and now this thread is just aimless. This smaller stuff can fit right into the general thread.
 
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Did we decide what to do? I’m for closing the thread (have been for a while). Get the conversation to the general threads or we risk alienating OP candidates when those threads get torpedoed by speculation and general discussion moves here (not a shot at anyone, just nature of speculation threads).
 
Dunno if we're still taking opinions but I'd like to keep the thread open, the general thread is more just for posting anything (which is how most people seem to like it) while this could be Nintendo upcoming release/speculation focused.
 
If they close this thread then the general thread will be filled to the brim with rumors and speculation and then everyone will get pissed off about that. Need somewhere to discuss rumors and speculation which isn't just going to go away because a few people don't like discussing them. Not sure how keeping this thread is going to have any effect on the general thread.
 
hologram said:
Hi folks, we'd like to survey the community a little to get a sense of what people want for this thread, and for the Speculation threads more broadly.

At this point, it seems fairly unlikely that there will be any event in July. This was always a distinct possibility, and at the time this thread was made the contingency plan was to simply convert this thread to the Fall Direct Speculation thread at the start of August.

The rationale behind this plan:
  • this way will stick closest to the original seasonal schedule of these threads (with the Fall one just starting, uh, very early)
  • people enjoy these threads, even if there isn't much to speculate about

Some potential counterpoints to this plan:
  • people are starting to feel a little fatigue from the constant speculation
  • the line between this thread and the General thread is increasingly unclear
  • this thread tends to be more cliquey and can be off-putting to newcomers

So, with this in mind, here are a few proposals for how to handle this thread (and Speculation threads in general) moving forward:
1. Continue with the current plan as outlined above
2. Leave this thread open, and allow these threads to exist more permanently with less formally defined rules
3. Close this thread, and open a new one mid-August
4. Close this thread, and retire these threads for a little while

We are of course open to any and all alternative suggestions. Thanks!

-Aurc, Donnie, hologram, mazi
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I find myself thinking that option 1 would be what I personally align with the most. From what I've gathered, speculation threads are something most people here enjoy. As long as the thread participants remain sensible and responsible about the wide variety of posts that occur, from in-depth analysis to memes, the thread is a fun ride.

As for option 2, this thread has the tendency to sort of meld together discussions and topics from other parts of Famiboards, which can at times feel.. I dunno, weird? Like, it sometimes outright replaces GenDisc, and reduces the activity in other threads. I don't really think the solution is some kind of formal rule that this belong here and that belongs there, but maybe a sort of general keeping in mind that the thread is better off with the talk centering around speculation discussion.

And for options 3 and 4: In the end, I think locking the thread temporarily, whether it'd be for reason outlined in option 3 or 4, is something I don't think is quite necessary. As mentioned before, these threads are enjoyed by a lot of the community. Also, exciting things can be just around the corner - we have Splatoon coming up, Mario Kart Wave 2, Indie World.. I think there's still a time and a place for the actual premise of a "speculation thread".
 
I want to reiterate that Mario Kart, Splatoon, Kirby, and Pokémon all have threads that would service hype, speculation, and news very well.
 
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Raccoon said:
I want to reoterate that Mario Kart, Splatoon, Kirby, and Pokémon all have threads that would service hype, speculation, and news very well.
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But we speculate which of these will get the Twitter drop here you cant make that in an individual game thread
 
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Why do you want to close this thread? Does it waste too much space on the server or something?
There is always something to speculate so I don’t understand why you want to close this thread. If you don’t like it then just ignore the thread or simply don't enter it. I am not active here 24/7 myself either but I like to visit it from time to time and check if there are any news.
 
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