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SirShorse said:
We only do that when there's actual evidence, AFAIK thats only happened twice, last year and this year. Last year it turned out to be the OLED and now we just wait until September/end of this year for the second time.
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The Drake was speculated to be announced with the end of the financial year, then june, then july, now september. It keeps getting delayed, because there is literally 0 indication it is actually imminent.
 
BobNintendofan said:
Yes I keep bringing up my arguments for why the Drake is not a pro and for why an announcement is not imminent because people keep arguing that it is a pro and that an announcement is imminent. It it hilarious to me that you believe I need to stop repeating myself when that is all this board does. The entire purpose of this board is to rehash a switch pro existing for the 10th time and claiming an announcement is imminent for over 12 months in a row now.
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What's hilarious to me is how you come in and blow up two threads now, used to be just the hardware thread but now you do it here too, often at the same time, with the same argument, in the face of incredibly knowledgeable people who work in the industry, who work in hardware dev, who work in software dev, and frame it about how you don't get the people in the threads, then when people respond to your questions of "why is this your position?" with answers of "this is why it's our position," you get incredibly smug and accuse them of arguing in had faith because the only possible conclusion that a person with sense could come to is yours. I've watched you make that argument time and time and time again and it baffles the hell out of me, dude. There are plenty of people who don't see Drake coming soon. Plenty who don't think Drake will be positioned as a member of the same console family, and that's fine! Cool, whatever! But they don't frame it like the rest of us are fools for believing in another possibility. It comes across like you deliberately come in here with the express purpose of blowing these threads up, seriously.
 
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BobNintendofan said:
The Drake was speculated to be announced with the end of the financial year, then june, then july, now september. It keeps getting delayed, because there is literally 0 indication it is actually imminent.
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End of fiscal year was never expected, what we expected was always late June-July with still a chance for early August. If we go by the 2nd week of August with no Drake then chances are close to 0 for it to release this year
 
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BobNintendofan said:
Yes I keep bringing up my arguments for why the Drake is not a pro and for why an announcement is not imminent because people keep arguing that it is a pro and that an announcement is imminent. It it hilarious to me that you believe I need to stop repeating myself when that is all this board does. The entire purpose of this board is to rehash a switch pro existing for the 10th time and claiming an announcement is imminent for over 12 months in a row now.
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To go along with what @chocolate_supra said, the issue here is that while you're certainly entitled to your opinion and to be involved in discussion, it often comes across through your tone and style of posting that you're basically just showing up in practically every possible thread in which the Pro might be discussed just to say that "No, you're all wrong, there's no evidence and my opinion is the one and only right one". You don't leave any room for discussion or debate and it just comes across as stonewalling. And you often repeatedly respond to people trying to discuss points with you just to say, essentially, "No you're wrong". It definitely has an edge of antagonism to it, which gets old very quickly and is unnecessary.
 
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chocolate_supra said:
What's hilarious to me is how you come in and blow up two threads now, used to be just the hardware thread but now you do it here too, often at the same time, with the same argument, in the face of incredibly knowledgeable people who work in the industry, who work in hardware dev, who work in software dev, and frame it about how you don't get the people in the threads, then when people respond to your questions of "why is this your position?" with answers of "this is why it's our position," you get incredibly smug and accuse them of arguing in had faith because the only possible conclusion that a person with sense could come to is yours. I've watched you make that argument time and time and time again and it baffles the hell out of me, dude. There are plenty of people who don't see Drake coming soon. Plenty who don't think Drake will be positioned as a member of the same console family, and that's fine! Cool, whatever! But they don't frame it like the rest of us are fools for believing in another possibility. It comes across like you deliberately come in here with the express purpose of blowing these threads up, seriously.
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To be clear, I do not think any of you are fools. I know nothing about you. You could be mentally handicapped or you could be a genius, how would I know?
However, I do think that some of the opinions people have here are foolish. This is not the same as insulting someone, or calling them a fool. Everyone has foolish opinions. We all have our own biases, and no one is right about everything. I think it's reasonable to expect me not to insult people, and I try very hard not to, and stick only to talking about peoples opinions and not the people themselves. But I think what you're really asking me to do here is to stop criticizing peoples opinions. This is bizarre to me. Criticizing opinions is a very healthy part of discussion. If I think someone's opinion isn't reasonable, is based on illogical premises or is coming from a place of bias, I'm going to say that. It doesn't mean I think they're a bad or inferior person, just that I strongly disagree with that one opinion they have. And I expect people to do the same to me. If you think my opinion that the Drake is not a pro and that it's coming late 2023 or later is idiotic, please tell me, and explain your reasoning, because that's the foundation of debate and discussion. If we all just drop our own opinions without counterarguing or criticizing each others opinions, you don't have a discussion, you have 20 people talking to themselves, some weird sort of blog.
 
BobNintendofan said:
To be clear, I do not think any of you are fools. I know nothing about you. You could be mentally handicapped or you could be a genius, how would I know?
However, I do think that some of the opinions people have here are foolish. This is not the same as insulting someone, or calling them a fool. Everyone has foolish opinions. We all have our own biases, and no one is right about everything. I think it's reasonable to expect me not to insult people, and I try very hard not to, and stick only to talking about peoples opinions and not the people themselves. But I think what you're really asking me to do here is to stop criticizing peoples opinions. This is bizarre to me. Criticizing opinions is a very healthy part of discussion. If I think someone's opinion isn't reasonable, is based on illogical premises or is coming from a place of bias, I'm going to say that. It doesn't mean I think they're a bad or inferior person, just that I strongly disagree with that one opinion they have. And I expect people to do the same to me. If you think my opinion that the Drake is not a pro and that it's coming late 2023 or later is idiotic, please tell me, and explain your reasoning, because that's the foundation of debate and discussion. If we all just drop our own opinions without counterarguing or criticizing each others opinions, you don't have a discussion, you have 20 people talking to themselves, some weird sort of blog.
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I'm all for debate. But you literally accused us of arguing in bad faith before. You literally start posts with "I just don't get why people think this" after people have explained over and over exactly why they think those things. It comes across as extremely disrespectful at best, and accusatory at worst. And if you think people's opinions are unreasonable or illogical while, again, those people's opinions are based on legitimate leaks and facts read and explained by very, very knowledgeable people, it comes across like you are either under the impression that you're somehow above the people in the thread, or are deliberately stirring a pot to get a reaction. Like @SammyJ9 said, your tone comes across as antagonistic in a thread where we're all trying to either goof and be buddies (this thread) or discuss/read very technical and interesting information (hardware thread).
 
chocolate_supra said:
I'm all for debate. But you literally accused us of arguing in bad faith before. You literally start posts with "I just don't get why people think this" after people have explained over and over exactly why they think those things. It comes across as extremely disrespectful at best, and accusatory at worst. And if you think people's opinions are unreasonable or illogical while, again, those people's opinions are based on legitimate leaks and facts read and explained by very, very knowledgeable people, it comes across like you are either under the impression that you're somehow above the people in the thread, or are deliberately stirring a pot to get a reaction. Like @SammyJ9 said, your tone comes across as antagonistic in a thread where we're all trying to either goof and be buddies (this thread) or discuss/read very technical and interesting information (hardware thread).
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Thinking that my opinion on the drake is more reasonable that yours doesn't mean I think I'm better than you. I do think my opinion on the drake is much more reasonable than yours though, to be clear, I wasn't denying that. A lot of peoples opinions here on the drake don't really make sense to me. That's not me making some rhetorical argument, that is actually how I feel.
 
BobNintendofan said:
Thinking that my opinion on the drake is more reasonable that yours doesn't mean I think I'm better than you. I do think my opinion on the drake is much more reasonable than yours though, to be clear, I wasn't denying that. A lot of peoples opinions here on the drake don't really make sense to me. That's not me making some rhetorical argument, that is actually how I feel.
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Opinions are opinions. NONE of us know what Nintendo is doing. Not me, not @chocolate_supra, not Nate, no one. So acting like yours is better than anyone else's just comes across as rude. For what it's worth I get sick of the constant Switch Pro talk sometimes too. But I keep it to myself or I talk about it in a reasonable manner without putting down anyone else's opinions.
 
BobNintendofan said:
Thinking that my opinion on the drake is more reasonable that yours doesn't mean I think I'm better than you. I do think my opinion on the drake is much more reasonable than yours though, to be clear, I wasn't denying that. A lot of peoples opinions here on the drake don't really make sense to me. That's not me making some rhetorical argument, that is actually how I feel.
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Fine. But you constantly insisting on smugly rubbing that position in our faces is not cool, has that come across yet? We get that you think your opinion is more reasonable than ours. It's not necessary to remind us of that every few days across multiple threads.
 
Just ignore and move on, no reason to need the last word, that just derails threads. Part of the reason most forums go sour
 
chocolate_supra said:
Fine. But you constantly insisting on smugly rubbing that position in our faces is not cool, has that come across yet? We get that you think your opinion is more reasonable than ours. It's not necessary to remind us of that every few days across multiple threads.
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I suppose so but I also feel that the baseless speculation based on vague leaks rumors, or in many cases, nothing, can cause problems if it is unchecked. For example, by setting up unreasonable expectations that cant be met. We saw that both with the July direct that did not happen and the insanity over the OLED trailer going down. I think that it's good for the community to have one single person actually trying to check the hype.

But if you really want to get down to the pointlessness of internet discussion, isn't all of this really just to kill time? Surely the main reason any of us come here is just because we have a spare 10 minutes here or there and nothing else specifically to do with it but waste time talking about a video game console that doesn't even exist yet.
 
I wonder if HAMSTER will release a complete "ARCADE & ACA Archive Collection".

You buy on the eShop and it instantly adds 400 titles in your homescreen.
 
It is interesting to see EPD 9 work so much on Mario Kart Tour, even this year in-fact. Obviously a lot of content is made in advance for the rollout of new content every 2 weeks but dataminers for the game have figured out how to find out when a piece of content is made and some courses were actually made this year, the oldest content in the game was made in approximately 2018, GCN Yoshi Circuit and Sydney Sprint - GCN Yoshi Circuit was at launch in 2019 but Sydney Sprint didn't come to Tour until 3 years later in 2021! EPD 9 is still actively working on Mario Kart Tour to this day making new content for the game that may not even show up until next year.
 
Skipper93653 said:
It is interesting to see EPD 9 work so much on Mario Kart Tour, even this year in-fact. Obviously a lot of content is made in advance for the rollout of new content every 2 weeks but dataminers for the game have figured out how to find out when a piece of content is made and some courses were actually made this year, the oldest content in the game was made in approximately 2018, GCN Yoshi Circuit and Sydney Sprint - GCN Yoshi Circuit was at launch in 2019 but Sydney Sprint didn't come to Tour until 3 years later in 2021! EPD 9 is still actively working on Mario Kart Tour to this day making new content for the game that may not even show up until next year at the earliest.
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As I said previously, EPD 9 working on Tour (or at larger capacity) might be the worst move Nintendo did in a last few years, in my opinion.
 
I'm definitely curious as to how long Tour support will last. Can't imagine they maintain the blistering pace they're currently at in terms of new content. Would not be surprised at all if it dies off in conjunction with the BCP, so that both can give way to the next main Mario Kart entry.
 
Thunder84 said:
I'm definitely curious as to how long Tour support will last. Can't imagine they maintain the blistering pace they're currently at in terms of new content. Would not be surprised at all if it dies off in conjunction with the BCP, so that both can give way to the next main Mario Kart entry.
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Yeah, Mario Kart Tour is having an insane year right now, the new content is on a roll.
 
Thunder84 said:
I'm definitely curious as to how long Tour support will last. Can't imagine they maintain the blistering pace they're currently at in terms of new content. Would not be surprised at all if it dies off in conjunction with the BCP, so that both can give way to the next main Mario Kart entry.
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If the game is making money, support will go on indefinitely. They wouldn't stop supporting Tour just because Mario Kart 9 is coming out.
 
HockeyBird said:
If the game is making money, support will go on indefinitely. They wouldn't stop supporting Tour just because Mario Kart 9 is coming out.
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Of course they won't shut the game down or anything, but that doesn't mean they'll continue to support it with consistent new content like they are now. They'll keep running the game, but the actual content development will likely come to a close, or at the very least slow down significantly, before the next console Mario Kart I would imagine.
 
Thunder84 said:
Of course they won't shut the game down or anything, but that doesn't mean they'll continue to support it with consistent new content like they are now. They'll keep running the game, but the actual content development will likely come to a close, or at the very least slow down significantly, before the next console Mario Kart I would imagine.
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It a game keeps making money, they keep supporting it with new content. That's how the mobile market works.
 
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Thunder84 said:
Of course they won't shut the game down or anything, but that doesn't mean they'll continue to support it with consistent new content like they are now. They'll keep running the game, but the actual content development will likely come to a close, or at the very least slow down significantly, before the next console Mario Kart I would imagine.
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If the issue is not enough workforce Nintendo will hire more employees, they are the most attractive workplace for game developers in Japan they are one of the only ones without issues to get new employees.
 
Blue Monty said:
If the issue is not enough workforce Nintendo will hire more employees, they are the most attractive workplace for game developers in Japan they are one of the only ones without issues to get new employees.
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I don't think it's a matter of workforce. I just don't see the market for Tour sustaining much growth beyond the BCP. It's going to have its fans still, but I don't really see the audience growing all that much, particularly once the next Mario Kart is starting its marketing campaign. At that point, developing new content isn't going to amount to much of anything: the current audience isn't going anywhere, and you aren't going to draw in many new consumers.

They'll probably pump out some more low effort skins to keep people invested in the gacha elements, but I just don't see the motivation for them to put significant resources into the game at that point. The game will coast on its own for quite a while.
 
Thunder84 said:
They'll probably pump out some more low effort skins to keep people invested in the gacha elements, but I just don't see the motivation for them to put significant resources into the game at that point. The game will coast on its own for quite a while.
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Potentially, but soon, the datamined Battle Mode is expected to release with a bunch of datamined things like control method, music, and battle courses themselves. It also seems like the balloons for balloon battle will be apart of the gacha with a bunch of different types of balloons you can get and equip before a battle so something big has been planned and has been planned for a while as some of the datamined battle stuff dates back a few years and more recently got added a few weeks ago.
 
I'm way off on catching up with the thread because I'm still replying to things about the thread itself below, haha! :ROFLMAO: Everyone else talking about other things now, haha! Making me curious about Mario Kart Tour, but not curious enough as to actually download it yet, haha!

chocolate_supra said:
As far as I understood it starting with @Raccoon's inaugural Direct Speculation thread, this was the initial intent. Four quarterly Specc Threads, and once the Direct for that period is announced the Specc Thread gets closed and discussion moves to a new Direcc Discussion Thread.

That's the way it worked last time, right?

It just got kinda goobered due to the lack of the usual summer Direct.
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Raccoon said:
Sorta. There was to be scheduled lulls in between regardless of if and when the Direct came. i.e. there were deadlines and designated start dates
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Seems like a pretty good idea to me! We've definitely taken a goobering this summer, haha, and they'll likely do it again sometime in the future just because they get off on it!
Mr_No_U said:
IMO a "Nintendo Direct Speculation" thread should always exist, but it should be locked as soon as a Direct is announced (to encourage people to participate in the actual Direct ST) and then reopened sometime after it airs (the timeframe for this I'm less sure about). I understand that some people can have discussion/hype fatigue, but I'm not sure that has to mean the discussion needs to be shut down for everyone else.

Options 1 and 2 work for me.
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Not a bad idea either, just locking it for a period of time! I guess if you're including any possible type of Direct, and providing enough time for speculating, a good two week lock for discussion to be moved to the official Direct thread for that time would probably be enough. During that lock period, too, would there be a chance for other people to be OP? I imagine keeping an ongoing thread like that that an OP can wear down, so if that could be transferred or something during that time, it'd probably be nice!

I guess another thing to think about is what this type of thread's speculation is around. Is it just Directs, or for any Nintendo announcements, including Twitter drops? If Directs, only the "main" ones, or does it include partner, indie, showcases for specific games, etc.?

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Hahaha, really nice! :ROFLMAO:

mazi said:
just curious, IF we were to have this thread year round, would you prefer it to be called "nintendo direct speculation" or something along the lines of "general nintendo speculation"?
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I think keeping it general is best for a year round thread, to me at least! But, in making it general, IF the speculation is focused around their announcements, maybe something like "Nintendo Announcement Speculation" or "Nintendo News Speculation" might clarify it a bit, just so it's not full of random rumors of, like, Aonuma getting another haircut. Nintendo kind of does whatever the hell they want anymore, haha, and being able to speculate about even Twitter drops (as silly as it sounds, haha) is nice to have in one place with everything else too!
 
Skipper93653 said:
Potentially, but soon, the datamined Battle Mode is expected to release with a bunch of datamined things like control method, music, and battle courses themselves. It also seems like the balloons for balloon battle will be apart of the gacha with a bunch of different types of balloons you can get and equip before a battle so something big has been planned and has been planned for a while as some of the datamined battle stuff dates back a few years and more recently got added a few weeks ago.
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Oh for sure, that's probably gonna be an anniversary thing if I had to guess. I'm talking about after the BCP runs its course and the next Mario Kart begins its marketing cycle. I doubt Tour will maintain such a strong influx of content at that point. The game will continue to make money off of cosmetics and gacha, neither of which require much manpower.
 
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BobNintendofan said:
I suppose so but I also feel that the baseless speculation based on vague leaks rumors, or in many cases, nothing, can cause problems if it is unchecked. For example, by setting up unreasonable expectations that cant be met. We saw that both with the July direct that did not happen and the insanity over the OLED trailer going down. I think that it's good for the community to have one single person actually trying to check the hype.

But if you really want to get down to the pointlessness of internet discussion, isn't all of this really just to kill time? Surely the main reason any of us come here is just because we have a spare 10 minutes here or there and nothing else specifically to do with it but waste time talking about a video game console that doesn't even exist yet.
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Everyone discussing rumors should be able to handle that there is no guarantee of them getting true. When something dosen‘t happen it is ok to be disappointed as long as you are not getting angry at other users. There never really was a huge problem with that on this site or even on resetera. On twitter and other parts of the Nintendo Community it‘s way more toxic, but that‘s their fault if they can‘t handle the aftermaths of something that got hyped up trough rumors and wasn‘t happening.
 
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Blue Monty said:
Nintendo should have gone more hard with MKTour imo, if they were going to commit to making a Mario Kart mobile they should have gone full mobile and support it even more
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One of their greatest teams, EPD 9, supported and still supports this game very much. Not to mention that this game basically took many of EPD 9 resources that could have been spend on a console game, the commit was full in my opinion.
 
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