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[ffr48]

By the way, it seems that at the time there was another Lite photo leak on your forum (in addition to the backplate), but the mod team removed it quickly and thus the news didn't travel to the west. Did I understand that history correctly? Is it your current policy that leaked photos are not allowed?

I'm not an ambassador but I think the post from GraffitiMAX can give you answer：

 

[Crusters]

Nintendo Switch - OLED Model
3DS
2DS
DS
Game Boy Color
Game Boy Light
Nintendo 64

Maybe DSi because the i denoted internet connectivity.

Regardless, 4K would look silly among these because we know it's an upgrade that'll affect far more than just resolution.

I mean the 3ds was way more powerful than the ds, and they just focused on 3d.

The Gameboy color was shockingly powerful compared to the Gameboy. And quite possibly a top contender for most powerful 8 bit game system ever made in a lot of metrics. Not only did it have a straight 2x increase in CPU clock speed, large boosts to all memory, and access to much larger roms but it's feature of horizontal direct memory access blew away the old Gameboys then very powerful direct memory access feature by like 160X. Literally. Actually literally.

I don't think any 8 bit system can compete with the gbc's number of colors, tiles, or simultaneous sprites. Pretty sure it has those on lock and it's not close. Especially colors.

So, normal mode the Gameboy comes with 2 banks of 8 pallets with 4 colors each. Twice as many as the default gb and nes (though the nes could get more banks with in cart chips). Normally this nets you 56 colors on screen. Very good for an 8 bit system.

However, with HDMA, the system could access memory after each horizontal line is drawn. It can use that time to among other things, change pallets. After every horizontal line is drawn. So you get 2x8 Colors x 160 horizontal lines for access to up to 2,560 colors. Most 16 bit systems will balk at that.

This led to a criminally too small cluster of varying quality of surprisingly graphically impressive games.

Some stunk, like alone in the dark, or the toy story fmv racer, some made good with a psuedo mode 7 racer like VD Devs wacky racers.

But probably the best suited, were the game boy color point and click adventure games, the best of which literally delivered Lucas Arts PC adventure game style fidelity graphics and animation, onto the little 160x144 screen

Fish files swapped color pallets every line, allowing access to that up to 2,560 colors. It even doubled up using multiple sprites for each part of characters where just using separate sprites for head and torso alone was typically seen as fancy.

Gameboy color indeed. Think Nintendo may have buried the lede on that one a little in the same vein as just 4k.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I'm not an ambassador but I think the post from GraffitiMAX can give you answer：
* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *

This is good to read

 

[ILikeFeet]

I feel like we're getting to the point were the potential for the chinese forums to start trolling us is high. I'm not saying they are, but western media has a difficult time doing diligence when it comes to foreign sites, especially if they get by on clickbait

 

[My Tulpa]

Software is king! I hope whenever this thing launches wether revision or switch 2 its releases with a buttload of software. I’m not talking about first party software. I want the COD, I want big name stuff. There is no reason why Nintendo and Nvidia couldn’t have made the tools available for developers to take advantage of. Hopefully there is an excitement from the developers community about this thing. Being able to have modern Nintendo hardware and architecture to create on. If the software isn’t there then my purchase can wait.

I wouldn’t expect software output to be much different than what we have been getting the last 3 years or so.

I wouldn’t expect publishers of major games to suddenly be hung ho about the new Super Switch…with a much lower userbase size…when they’ve been perfectly fine ignoring the Switch userbase up till now.

 

[Dakhil]

 

[Hidden04]

I feel like we're getting to the point were the potential for the chinese forums to start trolling us is high. I'm not saying they are, but western media has a difficult time doing diligence when it comes to foreign sites, especially if they get by on clickbait

Or we might get to the point where we get images.

 

[Deleted member 887]

I mean the 3ds was way more powerful than the ds, and they just focused on 3d.

The Gameboy color was shockingly powerful compared to the Gameboy. And quite possibly a top contender for most powerful 8 bit game system ever made in a lot of metrics. Not only did it have a straight 4x increase in CPU power, large boosts to all memory, and access to much larger roms but it's feature of horizontal direct memory access blew away the old Gameboys then very powerful direct memory access feature by like 160X. Literally. Actually literally.

I don't think any 8 bit system can compete with the gbc's number of colors, tiles, or simultaneous sprites. Pretty sure it has those on lock and it's not close. Especially colors.

So, normal mode the Gameboy comes with 2 banks of 8 pallets with 4 colors each. Twice as many as the default gb and nes (though the nes could get more banks with in cart chips). Normally this nets you 56 colors on screen. Very good for an 8 bit system.

However, with HDMA, the system could access memory after each horizontal line is drawn. It can use that time to among other things, change pallets. After every horizontal line is drawn. So you get 2x8 Colors x 160 horizontal lines for access to up to 2,560 colors. Most 16 bit systems will balk at that.

This led to a criminally too small cluster of varying quality of surprisingly graphically impressive games.

Some stunk, like alone in the dark, or the toy story fmv racer, some made good with a psuedo mode 7 racer like VD Devs wacky racers.

But probably the best suited, were the game boy color point and click adventure games, the best of which literally delivered Lucas Arts PC adventure game style fidelity graphics and animation, onto the little 160x144 screen

Fish files swapped color pallets every line, allowing access to that up to 2,560 colors. It even doubled up using multiple sprites for each part of characters where just using separate sprites for head and torso alone was typically seen as fancy.

Gameboy color indeed. Think Nintendo may have buried the lede on that one a little in the same vein as just 4k.

I believe it was just a 2x gain in cpu

 

[Crusters]

I believe it was just a 2x gain in cpu

This is right, GB was 4 MHz, and gbc 8 MHz.

 

[karmitt]

Probably put it out there to shut down the 'enhanced Switch' discussion that was happening around the Mariko/v2. Also probably won't age well, seeing as management has changed, and we have no idea what moves Nintendo is going to make.

 

[ILikeFeet]

Or we might get to the point where we get images.

I mean the 3ds was way more powerful than the ds, and they just focused on 3d.

The Gameboy color was shockingly powerful compared to the Gameboy. And quite possibly a top contender for most powerful 8 bit game system ever made in a lot of metrics. Not only did it have a straight 2x increase in CPU clock speed, large boosts to all memory, and access to much larger roms but it's feature of horizontal direct memory access blew away the old Gameboys then very powerful direct memory access feature by like 160X. Literally. Actually literally.

I don't think any 8 bit system can compete with the gbc's number of colors, tiles, or simultaneous sprites. Pretty sure it has those on lock and it's not close. Especially colors.

So, normal mode the Gameboy comes with 2 banks of 8 pallets with 4 colors each. Twice as many as the default gb and nes (though the nes could get more banks with in cart chips). Normally this nets you 56 colors on screen. Very good for an 8 bit system.

However, with HDMA, the system could access memory after each horizontal line is drawn. It can use that time to among other things, change pallets. After every horizontal line is drawn. So you get 2x8 Colors x 160 horizontal lines for access to up to 2,560 colors. Most 16 bit systems will balk at that.

This led to a criminally too small cluster of varying quality of surprisingly graphically impressive games.

Some stunk, like alone in the dark, or the toy story fmv racer, some made good with a psuedo mode 7 racer like VD Devs wacky racers.

But probably the best suited, were the game boy color point and click adventure games, the best of which literally delivered Lucas Arts PC adventure game style fidelity graphics and animation, onto the little 160x144 screen

Fish files swapped color pallets every line, allowing access to that up to 2,560 colors. It even doubled up using multiple sprites for each part of characters where just using separate sprites for head and torso alone was typically seen as fancy.

Gameboy color indeed. Think Nintendo may have buried the lede on that one a little in the same vein as just 4k.

well, with the way game development is now, I don't think we'll see devs pass up a good boost

 

[Gobias-Ind]

Ugggghh. "Switch Pro", "Switch 2"... call it whatever you want to call it, there's no reason to prefer to wait 2 more years for Drake lol.

 

[Serif]

I mean the 3ds was way more powerful than the ds, and they just focused on 3d.

Gameboy color indeed. Think Nintendo may have buried the lede on that one a little in the same vein as just 4k.

While I get your point, I think those names are 'fine' because of what they intended the main draw to be, and they eventually went with Advance as a name for a more powerful Game Boy.
I'd be 'fine' with Switch 4K, it just undersells Drake to me. What is the real main draw here - 4K output, or the generational leap in performance? This is where I find myself disagreeing with a lot of folks, and that's fine... I'm buying it anyway.

 

[karmitt]

Ugggghh. "Switch Pro", "Switch 2"... call it whatever you want to call it, there's no reason to prefer to wait 2 more years for Drake lol.

No reason to wait for Drake, true.

But it's clear that idea of a Switch getting full (or close to full) support from Nintendo until 2027 does not sit well with some people. The 2024 scenario above I think assumes some exclusives right out of the gate, and a more typical transition to a new generation.

 

[TinyPikachu]

I’m bowing out of this thread. Such a roller coaster of emotions

I just want to known if I should get an Xbox Series X or wait for the Pro if it’s being released soon.

I’ll just wait for an official announcement.

 

[My Tulpa]

If Nintendo released a Switch console tomorrow that was on par with a Series S technically then you can bet your bottom dollar that 95% of third party games would be on the system if it was successful in its first year because Switch has shown that ports of titles such as DOOM and The Witcher sell to the modern Switch / Nintendo audience.

Doubt.

Serious, serious doubt.

This narrative that third parties don’t like Nintendo is completely out of date. Companies like revenue and if there’s money to be made on a Nintendo platform they will put their games on it. They owe it to their shareholders. Not some grudge from the 90’s lol.

You are right, it’s not about emotions, it’s business.

The reason most of the ps360 multiplat games released 2012-2016 and most of the ps4/one multiplat games from 2017-today skip the Nintendo model isn’t about emotion.

It’s about a calculation (whether true or not) by the publisher on whether the efforts/costs/dev focus to make a Nintendo version of their big multiplat is worth it considering the most likely expections of returns of revenue for that version.

In many many many cases, the answer to the “worth the effort” is no.

Drake won’t change this calculation when all is said and done.

 

[Serif]

Ugggghh. "Switch Pro", "Switch 2"... call it whatever you want to call it, there's no reason to prefer to wait 2 more years for Drake lol.

Grubb's poll feels like it has the premise of "the Pro is a small leap, 2 is a bigger leap" which is an assumption many folks are making, as if Drake weren't a thing or Drake is 2. Considering we only know about one set of hardware specs from the leak... I want that particular piece of hardware A.S.A.P.

 

[karmitt]

I’m bowing out of this thread. Such a roller coaster of emotions

I just want to known if I should get an Xbox Series X or wait for the Pro if it’s being released soon.

I’ll just wait for an official announcement.

Totally different value propositions those two. I can understand that it comes down to $$ for most people, but I wouldn't give up either of my XSX or Switch.

I will say that XSX + Game Pass will probably be a far better get sometime next year than this year.

 

[Crusters]

Ugggghh. "Switch Pro", "Switch 2"... call it whatever you want to call it, there's no reason to prefer to wait 2 more years for Drake lol.

I agree, I'm getting pretty tired of the pro or two nonsense.

 

[Erimgard]

I know it's Twitter and there's a character limit, but without defining the two, this poll doesn't really seem worthwhile.

 

[Crusters]

While I get your point, I think those names are 'fine' because of what they intended the main draw to be, and they eventually went with Advance as a name for a more powerful Game Boy.
I'd be 'fine' with Switch 4K, it just undersells Drake to me. What is the real main draw here - 4K output, or the generational leap in performance? This is where I find myself disagreeing with a lot of folks, and that's fine... I'm buying it anyway.

If we're being honest, most people are pretty heavily graphics blind compared to the small pool of enthusiasts on message boards, and 4k is a vastly more instantly recognizable buzzword that's already been established by billions poured into marketing by other companies.... Even though most of them don't really know what it means.

 

[karmitt]

I posted that not because of Grubbs poll, but because of Spawnwaves comment.

 

[My Tulpa]

Rounding up the 'feature designation' names:

Switch
Switch OLED
DS
3ds
2ds
Virtual Boy
N64


Seems to be a really used go to trope for portable systems.

I think they are just going to call it switch 2.

Nintendo Switch - OLED Model
3DS
2DS
DS
Game Boy Color
Game Boy Light
Nintendo 64

Maybe DSi because the i denoted internet connectivity.

Regardless, 4K would look silly among these because we know it's an upgrade that'll affect far more than just resolution.

Power Switch.

Just general enough to cover everything, just clear enough to express how it’s different. Also, the name has Nintendo history.

Will be fun to call it a P-Switch!

 

[Crusters]

I posted that not because of Grubbs poll, but because of Spawnwaves comment.

Doesn't really mean anything to me. I'm already of the mindset Nintendo considers switch a platform, not a console, and a s such, they really want the switch lifespan to last 20 or 40 years.

 

[My Tulpa]

Doesn't really mean anything to me. I'm already of the mindset Nintendo considers switch a platform, not a console, and a s such, they really want the switch lifespan to last 20 or 40 years.

Yea this was pretty much how they described the concept of NX back in the day.

 

[Serif]

If we're being honest, most people are pretty heavily graphics blind compared to the small pool of enthusiasts on message boards, and 4k is a vastly more instantly recognizable buzzword that's already been established by billions poured into marketing by other companies.... Even though most of them don't really know what it means.

I agree. But we also have buzzwords like Pro, Max, Ultra, Super, Plus attached to device names as indicators of power, attached to marketing phrases like "faster, more fluid, more/most powerful". Some set top boxes have both 4K and Ultra/Max in the name, to denote that one SKU is 4K and the other is 4K and more performant. So I think they have options to compensate for the graphics blind. I think we all agree that 4K will be on the box, somewhere.

 

[Gobias-Ind]

No reason to wait for Drake, true.

But it's clear that idea of a Switch getting full (or close to full) support from Nintendo until 2027 does not sit well with some people. The 2024 scenario above I think assumes some exclusives right out of the gate, and a more typical transition to a new generation.

Yeah, I just can't relate to that! I think Nintendo will be putting at least some of their new releases on the OG Switch for around 10 years regardless of when they release updated hardware. Kinda like how Sony's biggest release since the PS5 came out is also coming to the PS4 this year. Also, if someone is turned off by the lack of first party exclusives for a hypothetical late-2022 Drake, they could simply wait for the exclusives to buy the thing. But... we all know they'll buy it ASAP anyways.

Grubb's poll feels like it has the premise of "the Pro is a small leap, 2 is a bigger leap" which is an assumption many folks are making, as if Drake weren't a thing or Drake is 2. Considering we only know about one set of hardware specs from the leak... I want that particular piece of hardware A.S.A.P.

I think you're right about the "small leap vs big leap" thing and I'd honestly agree with the other side if I thought that was in the cards. If they end up putting out some sort of overclocked TX1 in the next 6 months I'll sleep right through release date.

 

[Crusters]

I agree. But we also have buzzwords like Pro, Max, Ultra, Super, Plus attached to device names as indicators of power, attached to marketing phrases like "faster, more fluid, more/most powerful". Some set top boxes have both 4K and Ultra/Max in the name, to denote that one SKU is 4K and the other is 4K and more performant. So I think they have options to compensate for the graphics blind. I think we all agree that 4K will be on the box, somewhere.

On the box and every 5 seconds in the reveal trailer/direct.

I look forward to the 30 minute reveal direct spending a combined 20 minutes on all the times it mentions and rementions it displays on 4k televisions lol.

Just don't call It the switch u.

 

[Concernt]

I agree. But we also have buzzwords like Pro, Max, Ultra, Super, Plus attached to device names as indicators of power, attached to marketing phrases like "faster, more fluid, more/most powerful". Some set top boxes have both 4K and Ultra/Max in the name, to denote that one SKU is 4K and the other is 4K and more performant. So I think they have options to compensate for the graphics blind. I think we all agree that 4K will be on the box, somewhere.

Nintendo Switch K:
It's just OK

But seriously, absolutely. The OLED Model has "OLED" on the front, back, and sides of the box. Of course a 4K capable Switch will SLATHER it all over the box. I look forward to it.

I do however think it's possible that they go the Xbox One X, or indeed, Nintendo Switch OLED Model route with it and have the retail box be the smallest of the bunch.

 

[karmitt]

I do however think it's possible that they go the Xbox One X, or indeed, Nintendo Switch OLED Model route with it and have the retail box be the smallest of the bunch.

No chance of that with the 8" screen and gigantic bezels we're going to get to house the monstrously large internals

i kid i kid

 

[BobNintendofan]

Kind of reposting from the other thread but what do you gentlemen think of the idea of the Drake being a new console but Nintendo promising to do a lot of cross gen support for the first few years. The biggest games still being exclusive to the drake but things like 2D Zelda or Paper Mario or whatever getting a cross gen port?

 

[Deleted member 2]

I think Nintendo Switch - 4K Model is an asinine name and I thought you lot were joking.

For what it's worth, I think the "- [feature]" designation would be kept to the OLED Model. The Lite didn't even use that naming scheme. Heck, the OLED Model adopted it after the fact, it was revealed as "Nintendo Switch (OLED Model)".

My top picks would be:
Super Nintendo Switch (SNS)
New Nintendo Switch (NNS)
Nintendo Switch PLUS (NSW+)
or
Nintendo Switch NEXT (NSN)

Your top picks are asinine.

 

[Codename_Steam]

Are there any rumours regarding the screen? Will it have the same screen as the OLED Model?

 

[Deleted member 2]

Kind of reposting from the other thread but what do you gentlemen think of the idea of the Drake being a new console but Nintendo promising to do a lot of cross gen support for the first few years. The biggest games still being exclusive to the drake but things like 2D Zelda or Paper Mario or whatever getting a cross gen port?

Is this question just for the gentlemen?

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

Kind of reposting from the other thread but what do you gentlemen think of the idea of the Drake being a new console but Nintendo promising to do a lot of cross gen support for the first few years. The biggest games still being exclusive to the drake but things like 2D Zelda or Paper Mario or whatever getting a cross gen port?

That’s not really any different from what has been suggested in this thread, the previous thread on era and the previous one before that on era.

So it’s not new, it’s an old idea.

 

[Blue Monty]

Kind of reposting from the other thread but what do you gentlemen think of the idea of the Drake being a new console but Nintendo promising to do a lot of cross gen support for the first few years. The biggest games still being exclusive to the drake but things like 2D Zelda or Paper Mario or whatever getting a cross gen port?

Smaller games are easier to justify being Drake exclusive they will be the first one to be exclusive with new entries of ‘one entry per console’ games already on Switch (so a new Smash/MK/LM would be Drake exclusive)

 

[ILikeFeet]

Your top picks are asinine.

Super Nintendo Switch is a great name

 

[My Tulpa]

Kind of reposting from the other thread but what do you gentlemen think of the idea of the Drake being a new console but Nintendo promising to do a lot of cross gen support for the first few years. The biggest games still being exclusive to the drake but things like 2D Zelda or Paper Mario or whatever getting a cross gen port?

Makes no sense to do anything other than Nintendo promising this new model will play the Switch library of games, but with better graphics/performance.

Makes no sense not to put BotW2 and Metroid Prime 4 on the Lite/OLED/regular hybrid, imo. (If those games can run on Mariko, I don’t see any other Nintendo title in the next ~4 years that couldn’t, wouldn’t)

Makes no sense for a DLSS capable mobile SoC….that in essence is designed to render games with the profiles of the current Switch models (~540p-1080p/~30fps), and output them at AI upscaled 4K and using the extra headroom to have solid 60 fps and some other visual upgrades pushed along with it…and not have those lower profile targets release on the older Switch models as well.

Nintendo will be happy that their userbase has the option to play Metroid Prime 4 on the Drake model as well as the option to play a version of it on the Mariko model…for those who don’t care that much about the graphics/performance upgrade it provides to Nintendo games.

To be honest, for those Switch gamers who mostly play portable and rarely/never play docked, I don’t know how much improvement you will see outside of framerate increase on the 7 inch 720p screen compared to the current OLED model.

The difference will be noticeable to people like me and you, but for the average Switch user feeling they need to pay ~$500 for it? I dunno.

Makes no sense for Nintendo to not still put most of their games on their machine choices as well, imo.

 

[supmo]

To clarify my last post, it wasn't intended to discourage anyone from sharing information. There were some lean days in the past (here or on that old place) when we had nothing to discuss. I like it a lot better with an active thread. So please keep them coming.

I wasn't on your forum back then, and sadly missed the excitement. I only heard about the leak secondhand. By the way, it seems that at the time there was another Lite photo leak on your forum (in addition to the backplate), but the mod team removed it quickly and thus the news didn't travel to the west. Did I understand that history correctly? Is it your current policy that leaked photos are not allowed? Thank you very much for being the ambassador.

 

[Dekuman]

Super Nintendo Switch
Nintendo Switch Super

 

[Deleted member 887]

Nintondo Sw4tkh

 

[Serif]

Nintendo Switch Ultra [HD]

 

[karmitt]

Super Nintendo Switch
Nintendo Switch Super

The second sounds weird rn but I wouldn’t fight it at all.

 

[chocolate_supra]

The second sounds weird rn but I wouldn’t fight it at all.

It would sound very odd to me were it not for the existence of "Dragon Ball Super."

 

[NateDrake]

Can someone give me the link to the claim of the shell/casing being bigger?

 

[Dark Cloud]

Can someone give me the link to the claim of the shell/casing being bigger?

Are you talking about the screen being bigger because that was a joke

 

[My Tulpa]

Can someone give me the link to the claim of the shell/casing being bigger?

* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *

Dunno if this helps, you can go back to fwd-bwd’s breakdown about it.

Dunno if anyone posted the actual Chinese post/rumor from that other forum here or not

 

[Concernt]

Your top picks are asinine.

Very mature.

4K isn't something you just slap on, unlike an OLED screen.

 

[NateDrake]

Are you talking about the screen being bigger because that was a joke

Wasn't there talk of the shell/casing being a bit different? The thread is a disaster to navigate in terms of meaningful or relevant info.

 

[LiC]

Can someone give me the link to the claim of the shell/casing being bigger?

Here is the post, the translation, and the debunking. We really have this rumor mill down to a science.