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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

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Hidden04 said:
What I can share, from rumors around the deep web (that is not my source)is that the Switch 2 could be coming out in September alongside Splatoon 3 and big NSO stuff.
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A Splatoon 3 themed OLED Switch is heavily rumored, I'm guessing that's what you're referring to. Not Drake.
 
Shiba said:
I stand correct on that part at least. I still don't believe it'll come this year but probably towards the end of this year we'll hear more about it via rumors or whatever, especially if it releases by 2023 EOY at the latest.
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I don’t think a single person supporting 2022 here is ruling out 2023 as a possibility.

I’ve only bothered to write so much today because I take issue with people insisting that 2022 isn’t possible - we’re forced to be on the defensive and present the exact same leaks and evidence ad nauseam.

If 2022 comes and goes without any further leaks, news or announcements, we’ll shift discussion then.
 
I dunno what this site's policy is on "insider" info from poster.....but I assume there is/would be some type of verification process or whatever just to avoid user saying whatever they feel like and past it off as some type of info.
 
I legitimately hate the idea of a Splatoon 3 OLED model separate from Drake.

I fucking love Splatoon. Give me Splatoon 3 Drake you fools

Shiba said:
I dunno what this site's policy is on "insider" info from poster.....but I assume there is/would be some type of verification process or whatever just to avoid user saying whatever they feel like and past it off as some type of info.
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DM a mod perhaps? Or @Hidden04 can reach out to them and see if it’s ok
 
Shiba said:
I dunno what this site's policy is on "insider" info from poster.....but I assume there is/would be some type of verification process or whatever just to avoid user saying whatever they feel like and past it off as some type of info.
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this was addressed at founding. anyone can say anything, and it's on the users to employ critical thinking
 
The good news about a Splatoon 3 model, if true, is that it lends some credence to factory uncle who reported that both a new color model and a new form factor model are being produced/prototyped.
 
Instro said:
I'm ready to believe it all. Where's my clown makeup?
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Huh, Orin's got copyright date of 2021.
Not all that relevant to the thread, but the question comes to mind: with a device like Orin, when during the general process of designing/manufacturing does Nvidia get around to registering copyright?
 
Dakhil said:
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I wonder if T234-A01 being copyrighted in 2021 implies that Orin was taped out sometime in 2021?

Hidden04 said:
Maybe it got delayed, which is why the OLED exists in the first place. To push the sales a bit further.
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Depends on how long is the hardware been delayed for, I think. Hardware being delayed for a couple of months long is possible, although not necessarily ideal. Hardware being delayed for a couple of years doesn't seem very realistic, especially with hardware decisions usually being decided many months, if not years, in advance. (A minimum of 6 months in advance, I think.)
 
I wonder if the Switch 2 will also have an OLED screen? I’ll be honest as a Switch owner since day one and swapped to OLED day one, I feel it would be difficult to go back to a NON OLED display. It just looks too good!
 
ORIN was taped out in 2020, fwiw.

At least, based on what Kopite mentioned.


Idk anything about some dark web stuff, let’s move on :p.
 
Bosintang said:
I believe that a highly awaited new console poised to replace arguably the most successful console of all times after 5 and a half years and with state of the art technical capabilities is a slightly bigger deal than a cheaper portable and a similar console with a bling bling screen.
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Skittzo said:
I don't quite understand what that has to do with anything. Not to mention you're making several assumptions.
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Folks, I love ya'll - all ya'll, this entire thread. Some of the smartest and most passionate people on the planet. But everyone knows what both of you mean. Including each other, right?

Bosintang fundamentally believes that the next device is Drake, and Drake is a successor. Skittzo fundamentally believes that the next device is a revision (and that it's probably Drake). You both know that because you've both been in the thread forever. If you want to discuss which of you is right about that, go ahead. But this thing where you talk past each other without acknowledging each other's base viewpoint isn't adding a lot.

There are four positions here:

A revision is coming and it is Drake: I think this is the most common position here amongst the regulars. This is the "Drake hack is real, and matches all the Pro talk from last year. Ergo, Pro is Drake, and the early reports were conflatingPro and OLED" take.
Drake is coming, but it's a successor: A vocal minority here. This is the "Insiders and clout chasers generated a lot of smoke out of very little fire. The Nvidia hack is our only undeniable source and that dang thing is too big to be 'just' a Pro" position
A revision is coming, but I'm agnostic on whether it's Drake: This is my position, and I think I might be the only one who has it. :ROFLMAO: This is the "I believe that the Pro chatter last year was real but confused for the OLED. But what's to keep that from happening again. Just because Drake is real and the revision is real doesn't make them the same device" take. It is reasonable to the point of being unspecific.
LOL, nerds. You got owned last year and won't let go: A common take by the drivebys, most of whom are insufficiently tech savvy to understand the Drake leak, but have a healthy distrust of rumors. The OLED announcement hurt them, they refuse to be hurt again.

Obviously, I think one of these is more reasonable than the others (that's why it's my position), but they're all understandable. If you know someone is in a different camp, engage each other honestly.

A lot of our release timing discussion is just a proxy war for the above - revision believes fundamentally believe the 2022-2023 window that was cropping up last year still holds. Successor folk look at the chip shortage and roll their eyes at that. And the "LOL, nerds" camp needs wants an NX era level of smoke before they'll believe anything is coming again.

Repeating the info we already have is unlikely to move any of these four groups - the differences aren't in the facts but how much you trust which set of facts. We should do our best to tolerate all of these positions and not be smug jackasses too much (I am guilty of this, absolutely).

A note about trusting sources: There are some genuine game journalists and YouTubers of prominence, and they post on this forum and thread. When we talk about "clout chasers" around here, let's be careful to not be indirectly talking shit about our fellow forum goers. Or if you think someone is out of line, say so directly, rather than hiding behind vagueness (while accusing others of doing the same). It's super jackassy.
 
Hidden04 said:
I have info that I cannot share...but I do know that retailers are preparing to accept pre-orders for something... Don't ask for more.
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I hope it’s Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Special Editions, considering after the fiasco which was the MyNintendo Store website…
 
Hidden04 said:
What I can share, from rumors around the deep web (that is not my source)is that the Switch 2 could be coming out in September alongside Splatoon 3 and big NSO stuff.
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MessT. I said this back in April. I just knew something isn’t right.
Multiverse said:
Splatoon 3 could easily be the launch game.

Something is fishy with them when announcing release dates randomly on twitter that could’ve easily been direct trailers. Either E3 direct isn’t happening or they’re making way for something a bit more special.
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It’s not happening this year.

Team 2022 is in shambles.

Team 2024 never had a solid floor to stand on, just quicksand and false pretenses.

Team 2023 will rise from the ashes of the battle between 2022 and 2024 to conquer all of you

:3
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
Should be noted that MCM has no real place in the console Space anymore or anytime soon, the cost of it is massive and just not worth it for the target that consoles aim for.
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And multi-chip modules (MCMs) aren't a panacea since there are so many variations that create complications when designing MCMs.

oldpuck said:
Folks, I love ya'll - all ya'll, this entire thread. Some of the smartest and most passionate people on the planet. But everyone knows what both of you mean. Including each other, right?

Bosintang fundamentally believes that the next device is Drake, and Drake is a successor. Skittzo fundamentally believes that the next device is a revision (and that it's probably Drake). You both know that because you've both been in the thread forever. If you want to discuss which of you is right about that, go ahead. But this thing where you talk past each other without acknowledging each other's base viewpoint isn't adding a lot.

There are four positions here:

A revision is coming and it is Drake: I think this is the most common position here amongst the regulars. This is the "Drake hack is real, and matches all the Pro talk from last year. Ergo, Pro is Drake, and the early reports were conflatingPro and OLED" take.
Drake is coming, but it's a successor: A vocal minority here. This is the "Insiders and clout chasers generated a lot of smoke out of very little fire. The Nvidia hack is our only undeniable source and that dang thing is too big to be 'just' a Pro" position
A revision is coming, but I'm agnostic on whether it's Drake: This is my position, and I think I might be the only one who has it. :ROFLMAO: This is the "I believe that the Pro chatter last year was real but confused for the OLED. But what's to keep that from happening again. Just because Drake is real and the revision is real doesn't make them the same device" take. It is reasonable to the point of being unspecific.
LOL, nerds. You got owned last year and won't let go: A common take by the drivebys, most of whom are insufficiently tech savvy to understand the Drake leak, but have a healthy distrust of rumors. The OLED announcement hurt them, they refuse to be hurt again.

Obviously, I think one of these is more reasonable than the others (that's why it's my position), but they're all understandable. If you know someone is in a different camp, engage each other honestly.

A lot of our release timing discussion is just a proxy war for the above - revision believes fundamentally believe the 2022-2023 window that was cropping up last year still holds. Successor folk look at the chip shortage and roll their eyes at that. And the "LOL, nerds" camp needs wants an NX era level of smoke before they'll believe anything is coming again.

Repeating the info we already have is unlikely to move any of these four groups - the differences aren't in the facts but how much you trust which set of facts. We should do our best to tolerate all of these positions and not be smug jackasses too much (I am guilty of this, absolutely).

A note about trusting sources: There are some genuine game journalists and YouTubers of prominence, and they post on this forum and thread. When we talk about "clout chasers" around here, let's be careful to not be indirectly talking shit about our fellow forum goers. Or if you think someone is out of line, say so directly, rather than hiding behind vagueness (while accusing others of doing the same). It's super jackassy.
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Can Nintendo's new hardware be a revision and a successor at the same time in the form of an iterative successor?
 
Dakhil said:
Can Nintendo's new hardware be a revision and a successor at the same time in the form of an iterative successor?
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You just opened up a can of worms that I don't think you're ready to handle.

I'm absolutely joking, please don't take this seriously.
 
Skittzo said:
Bloomberg has developer sources who reported having 4k devkits. There is no reason to believe those 4k devkits were scrapped for a new 4k devkit.

We don't know this, it's irresponsible to be claiming this. We know beyond most doubts Drake has 12SMs and is capable of DLSS. That's all we know. We have no idea how many CPU cores it'll have, no idea how much RAM, no idea of any clock speeds.

It has to have a new architecture and new features in order to be capable of DLSS. This was obvious, they didn't need to mention that. They didn't mention raytracing but as far as I'm aware it's not confirmed that Drake has RT hardware enabled.

This is the least obvious thing in the world. It's extremely, extremely implausible.
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To be fair, given that 12 SMs, DLSS and 128 bit bandwidth is all but confirmed from the breach for Drake, I think we have some idea on what we can expect on clockspeeds for CPU, GPU and RAM amount based off existing modules of Orion AGX and Orion NX. Likely somewhere between the 32GB AGX model and the 16GB NX model. Up to around 920Mhz GPU and 2Ghz CPU (6-8 core A78)max and 8-12GB 102 GB/s LPDDR5 RAM. Not 100% guaranteed. The biggest question might just be the node size, but if 12SMs is legit, 8nm Samsung doesn't seem to fit the bill.
 
oldpuck said:
A note about trusting sources: There are some genuine game journalists and YouTubers of prominence, and they post on this forum and thread. When we talk about "clout chasers" around here, let's be careful to not be indirectly talking shit about our fellow forum goers. Or if you think someone is out of line, say so directly, rather than hiding behind vagueness (while accusing others of doing the same). It's super jackassy.
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You're perfectly right. I will lay my cards to clear up any confusion in the future.

Here is my opinion:
Imran knows fuck all and mostly piggybacks on other people's information. What a strange dude.

Takashi Mochizuki gets real info, is a real journalist, but he took a bad shortcut last year by blending those info into a machine that wasn't meant to release last year.

Nate Drake occasionally knows stuff, such as direct dates and timeframe or third party games. Occasionally don't, though I'm not going to list his fails. I believe that anything related to the next switch hardware is firmly in the "don't" category.

The hack is real and our most solid info. It indicates that Nintendo is working on a machine that probably goes beyond anything people were expecting. A true generation leap and then some. It doesn't guarantee that this is the machine Nintendo intends to release though, but I want to believe it.

As to my position on the revision/successor: it's too late for a pro version, and Nintendo had the tools to do one with the Mariko version yet decided against it. It's also a bit too early for a successor. It's was clear by 2019/2020 that the Switch in its current form would be a very successful machine that wouldn't fall off a cliff like the Wii. I think that Nintendo will squeeze a bit more juice from the current model in 2022/23, and that is the task of the OLED model, of Splatoon 3, of the new Zelda, possibly of Metroid Prime 4 and of the Mario Kart DLC.
So yeah, I believe a successor releasing 7 full years or more after the og switch, and I believe in a transition period lasting at least 2 years, as it is the case for the PlayStation and Xbox. We now see modern games releasing on switch and skipping the PS4 and XB1, so that shouldn't be an issue.
And if I end up being wrong, why would I care as I would be too busy playing my switch turbo in November 2022?
 
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Mobius said:
If nothing happens after august, would it be dead for 2022? Because if Drake is 2023 then there is no way they announce it before Xmas right?
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There will always be those die hards on this board that never give up hope. You just have to decide for yourself what you believe. Nobody has a definite answer, unless they have an uncle at Nintendo.
 
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