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Derachi said:
thinking about when nintendo literally said "the Nintendo 3DS XL does not fucking exist at all and you would be a complete dipshit dumbass to think otherwise" and then announced the Nintendo 3DS XL like a week later
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If i remember correctly it was Nintendo UK who said that.
 
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Raccoon said:
fuck

fuck fuck fuck fuck

all bets are off jesus christ
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That whole document is full of gems

"Moving on to future expansion of the installed base, we believe that as the number of Nintendo Switch users continues to grow, this will also drive increasing demand for a second system among the Nintendo Switch family of systems."

This was said post Lite. So either Furukawa misspoke, or the "Lite" isn't a "second system" in the Switch family, but that one is needed. There is a not-far-fetched-read that says "we know we're gonna need to release a pro model as ya'll get tired of what you've got"

"Many of those who purchased Nintendo Switch at launch have already played a variety of different titles, while there are also consumers who were encouraged to purchase a Nintendo Switch by the release of a game in a series like Pokémon or Animal Crossing... Compared to a typical year, unit software sales this fiscal year have included a larger contribution from titles released in previous fiscal years... many consumers who purchased hardware to play Animal Crossing: New Horizons have continued to purchase other software... for the next fiscal year we will focus on encouraging more consumers to pick up already released titles in addition to providing new titles."

They want to drive people to Switch, then sell them Mario Kart after that. That's the strategy.

"With this release schedule for new hardware and Nintendo Switch having just marked its highest sales in its fourth year on the market, we do not have plans to announce a new model."

Please ignore the Samsung leakers talking about OLED Screens, that's just a man behind a curtain.

"I think there is still plenty of room for new demand in the U.S. and Europe, even more so than in Japan. That said, there are already many people in these regions who have purchased the hardware in these past four years, and so for sales to grow even further, we will need to communicate the appeal of Nintendo Switch as a video game system to people who have not yet bought one as a result of our past initiatives"

We need to get Non Nintendo Fans to buy Switches in regions where they could get an XBox. So that we can sell them Mario Kart. Which means we need Switches to stick around for a while, but we either need to start selling to people who don't buy consoles (The Wii Strategy) or make a stronger pitch to Non Nintendo Gamers (the Switch strategy).
 
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Raccoon said:
the only bad answer is "we have no plans for this year"

no plans == no
nothing to announce == maybe
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you're one off

no plans == maybe
nothing to announce == yes

Follow sports enough and you hear "no plans/not yet made a decision" and the next morning a coach/GM is fired, you learn those words can technically be true but yet also meaningless.
 
It would be better if everyone just ignored the investor Q&As entirely, with the level of misunderstanding of PR non-responses happening here (in both directions).

The only meaningful thing Nintendo has said about new hardware during a Q&A in the modern era is this: "Please note that we have no plans to launch a new Nintendo Switch model during 2020." If they say the same thing about 2022 specifically, then obviously that's that. Anything else, and no conclusions can be drawn whatsoever.
 
LiC said:
It would be better if everyone just ignored the investor Q&As entirely, with the level of misunderstanding of PR non-responses happening here (in both directions).

The only meaningful thing Nintendo has said about new hardware during a Q&A in the modern era is this: "Please note that we have no plans to launch a new Nintendo Switch model during 2020." If they say the same thing about 2022 specifically, then obviously that's that. Anything else, and no conclusions can be drawn whatsoever.
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Especially because they can’t lie to shareholders so they will always use vague terms and phrases that in the end they mean nothing or just what’s expected from Nintendo to do because they also don’t want to confirm such important think as new hardware in an investors Q&A.
 
Blue Monty said:
Especially because they can’t lie to shareholders so they will always use vague terms and phrases that in the end they mean nothing or just what’s expected from Nintendo to do because they also don’t want to confirm such important think as new hardware in an investors Q&A.
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Mmmmm, I’d suggest anyone that takes it as “they can’t lie“ and rephrase it into “we can’t tell you the whole truth“ and you get a more realistic picture of the situation. It’s typically what happens.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
Mmmmm, I’d suggest anyone that takes it as “they can’t lie“ and rephrase it into “we can’t tell you the whole truth“ and you get a more realistic picture of the situation. It’s typically what happens.
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And also I'm pretty sure they can flat out lie if they can later prove that doing so was in the best interest of the shareholders.
 
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PandaAndino said:
Third Video, this time is Wolfenstein 2 with 3 mode comparison. Stock vs OC 60FPS vs OC 30FPS Graphics Mode (All by a portable prespective). I dont want to spam this thread if anyone want to see other game with graphics mode/texture patches/ 60fps patches comparison let me know I will gratly make it.

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Could you also do SMTV? It'd be nice to see how well UE4 games run considering it's a widely-utilized engine and Switch has had a few high profile games like Shin Megami Tensei V, No More Heroes III, Yoshi's Crafted World, Daemon X Machine, etc. that have all struggled to some degree. Thanks.
 
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So thanks to Locuza's analysis of the Exynos 2200, Samsung's 4LPE process node seems to be worse than TSMC's N7P process node in terms of SRAM density, which is definitely a big strike against Nintendo and Nvidia choosing Samsung as the semiconductor foundry company of choice for the fabrication of Drake, especially if Nintendo and Nvidia designed Drake with large amounts of cache in mind.
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This time I decided to make a review of Mariko/Oled switches with a SMT V in all modes. It is the largest one yet but has everything showcased. I hope you guys like it!



Radium said:
Could you also do SMTV? It'd be nice to see how well UE4 games run considering it's a widely-utilized engine and Switch has had a few high profile games like Shin Megami Tensei V, No More Heroes III, Yoshi's Crafted World, Daemon X Machine, etc. that have all struggled to some degree. Thanks.
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This video can show you the strength and weaknesses of UE4 with marikos OC in all modes 😊.
 
Dakhil said:
So thanks to Locuza's analysis of the Exynos 2200, Samsung's 4LPE process node seems to be worse than TSMC's N7P process node in terms of SRAM density, which is definitely a big strike against Nintendo and Nvidia choosing Samsung as the semiconductor foundry company of choice for the fabrication of Drake, especially if Nintendo and Nvidia designed Drake with large amounts of cache in mind.
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6 SM 768 GHz GPU, 4 A78 1Ghz CPU and 88 GB/s bandwidth Drake/Switch 2 confirmed! Gonna be nice having steam deck gpu specs in docked mode 🤔😂😐
 
I wouldn't presume that just because the Switch had to launch in the Spring that the next Switch will as well. If Nintendo is serious about backwards compatibility and treats this upgrade similar to how Microsoft did with the Series X then they could launch without any exclusives and do quite well. Instead the games that coincide with its launch could feature next gen enhancements like greater texture quality, resolution, framerate, etc but still be playable on base Switch.

It's hard to imagine Nintendo doing this because they've never made things as seemless as this before, but anything is possible.

We also don't know what games Nintendo is preparing for later fall this year. They could have another big game that could easily carry the launch of a new system.
 
eK-XL said:
I wouldn't presume that just because the Switch had to launch in the Spring that the next Switch will as well. If Nintendo is serious about backwards compatibility and treats this upgrade similar to how Microsoft did with the Series X then they could launch without any exclusives and do quite well. Instead the games that coincide with its launch could feature next gen enhancements like greater texture quality, resolution, framerate, etc but still be playable on base Switch.

It's hard to imagine Nintendo doing this because they've never made things as seemless as this before, but anything is possible.

We also don't know what games Nintendo is preparing for later fall this year. They could have another big game that could easily carry the launch of a new system.
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Im not going to say BC will be as good as the series consoles, because that's the gold standard.

But the comparison to Nintendos previous consoles doesn't fly. Because it won't actually be Nintendo who's in charge of the BC implementation, it will be Nvidia.
 
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CypressFX said:
Halo Infinite and XSX?!


They will not wait for Zelda if the Hardware is ready for Fall/Holiday 2022.

They will have enough new games to push sales.
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Holiday 2022 is a possibility still, but I think others have suggested the final tapeout would have had to happen before now if it were going to launch before mid-November. As it stands if the tapeout isn't confirmed by the end of May (maybe earlier?) it's almost a certainty it can't be released before 2023, and at that point I can't think of any reason to launch in January or February unless it's specifically to annoy new owners who just got a Switch not even a handful of weeks ago
 
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I don't think it will be holiday 2022 but we will probably have a clue on May 10th for that.

My bet is Spring 2023 with Zelda. Or October 2023, 2 years after OLED, with Donkey Kong or new Mario.

But let's face it, they can release it with SushiStriker 2: The Other Way of Sushido and it will still sell like hotcakes :p
 
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eK-XL said:
I wouldn't presume that just because the Switch had to launch in the Spring that the next Switch will as well. If Nintendo is serious about backwards compatibility and treats this upgrade similar to how Microsoft did with the Series X then they could launch without any exclusives and do quite well. Instead the games that coincide with its launch could feature next gen enhancements like greater texture quality, resolution, framerate, etc but still be playable on base Switch.

It's hard to imagine Nintendo doing this because they've never made things as seemless as this before, but anything is possible.

We also don't know what games Nintendo is preparing for later fall this year. They could have another big game that could easily carry the launch of a new system.
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My issue with believing this is the comparison that was made, the XBox platform is primarily a third party driven platform that had a very small amount of notable first party IPs. Likewise the PS of platform is primarily third party driven as a platform. The difference between the XBox and PlayStation is pretty much down to exclusive pieces of software. PlayStation while still TPD, still had first party exclusive software at launch that helped it with consumer interests. And XBox had exclusive features to it selling the the hardcore consumer base that were going to adopt it whether it had 3 or had 30 first party games.

Nintendo’s approach is not really like that and they depend more on FPS (first party software) to drive their platform adoption. Along with said FPS it brings to them the most revenue and helps in penetration in the market.

Nintendo launching without a first party title that can sell the system would be uncharacteristic and would in essence go against their whole ethos in the market.

It’s not that they don’t care for third party, they do, but they don’t depend on third parties taking up the reigns to do that job. They value third party software as an extra and treat them as an extra bell and whistle to the main course of why a Nintendo system is bought.
 
Lite launched with Link’s Awakening, OLED launched with Metroid Dread, I see the same thing happening with Drake. Zelda in Spring 2023 seems like a safe bet but maybe a major unannounced game for this holiday can change that. Pokemon seems to launch with a special edition console so I’d assume a special edition OLED is on the cards for this holiday assuming Drake isn’t this year
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
Nintendo launching without a first party title that can sell the system would be uncharacteristic and would in essence go against their whole ethos in the market.
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It might be more accurate to say 'without an exclusive title that can sell the system'. For the New 3DS launch Nintendo left a full month on either side of its release open so that Monster Hunter 4G could have the spotlight. Even when the system released in NA and PAL the next year alongside Majora's Mask 3D, MH4U was also a launch title, which if I'm not mistaken was at the time the quickest after release any MonHun game with new content had ever been localized to English.

Would they be willing to do the same with Drake? Probably not, but there's always a chance. I personally can't think of any third party game with the potential to fill a slot that important in the next twelve months, so in the end I agree with you that there will be a first party game releasing the same day as Drake.
 
Future Boy Nemo said:
Would they be willing to do the same with Drake? Probably not, but there's always a chance. I personally can't think of any third party game with the potential to fill a slot that important in the next twelve months, so in the end I agree with you that there will be a first party game releasing the same day as Drake.
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DQ XII launch exclusive for the Drake would be really big but I guess only in Japan , it would basically be a FFVII moment for the platform that the only franchise able to sell 2M retail first week in Japan in a decade chooses to release as a launch title exclusive for the Drake. Of course that's not realistic LOL
 
PandaAndino said:
This time I decided to make a review of Mariko/Oled switches with a SMT V in all modes. It is the largest one yet but has everything showcased. I hope you guys like it!




This video can show you the strength and weaknesses of UE4 with marikos OC in all modes 😊.
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Question:
In the videos it says Default OC
Is it overclocked there or is it running at factory default clocks
OC means overclocked so I was a bit confused on that aspect

If default OC means not overclocked it should probably just read "Default Clocks"
 
Metroid Prime 4k and Ocarina of Time 4k would be pretty awesome system sellers too, and further reinforce the idea that this is majorly a system for upgrades of first party games and not exclusive first party games.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
My issue with believing this is the comparison that was made, the XBox platform is primarily a third party driven platform that had a very small amount of notable first party IPs. Likewise the PS of platform is primarily third party driven as a platform. The difference between the XBox and PlayStation is pretty much down to exclusive pieces of software. PlayStation while still TPD, still had first party exclusive software at launch that helped it with consumer interests. And XBox had exclusive features to it selling the the hardcore consumer base that were going to adopt it whether it had 3 or had 30 first party games.

Nintendo’s approach is not really like that and they depend more on FPS (first party software) to drive their platform adoption. Along with said FPS it brings to them the most revenue and helps in penetration in the market.

Nintendo launching without a first party title that can sell the system would be uncharacteristic and would in essence go against their whole ethos in the market.

It’s not that they don’t care for third party, they do, but they don’t depend on third parties taking up the reigns to do that job. They value third party software as an extra and treat them as an extra bell and whistle to the main course of why a Nintendo system is bought.
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The system will definitely launch with some game that can show it off, but it doesn't necessarily have to be exclusive. A first party game with strong enhancements should be good enough.
 
MP! said:
Question:
In the videos it says Default OC
Is it overclocked there or is it running at factory default clocks
OC means overclocked so I was a bit confused on that aspect

If default OC means not overclocked it should probably just read "Default Clocks"
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Yeah is Default Clocks, but also the cloks are displayed in the transparent window in the left corner. For next videos I will use your suggestion to reduce confusion, thnx!
 
Splatoon 3 could easily be the launch game.

Something is fishy with them when announcing release dates randomly on twitter that could’ve easily been direct trailers. Either E3 direct isn’t happening or they’re making way for something a bit more special.
 
Skittzo said:
Metroid Prime 4k and Ocarina of Time 4k would be pretty awesome system sellers too, and further reinforce the idea that this is majorly a system for upgrades of first party games and not exclusive first party games.
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Eventually it will be the system for exclusive first party games though. The specs clearly indicate a next gen system imo.

Edit: just realized I did something dumb. Please not let this become a revision/ successor thread.
 
Multiverse said:
Splatoon 3 could easily be the launch game.

Something is fishy with them when announcing release dates randomly on twitter that could’ve easily been direct trailers. Either E3 direct isn’t happening or they’re making way for something a bit more special.
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I think the Splatoon and Xenoblade announcements just came as a set because the games appear to have swapped. Splatoon was also always a game they really needed to say something about before E3 because there's some pre-release stuff that tends to happen with these games that hasn't yet.
 
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Pokemaniac said:
The system will definitely launch with some game that can show it off, but it doesn't necessarily have to be exclusive. A first party game with strong enhancements should be good enough.
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Future Boy Nemo said:
It might be more accurate to say 'without an exclusive title that can sell the system'. For the New 3DS launch Nintendo left a full month on either side of its release open so that Monster Hunter 4G could have the spotlight. Even when the system released in NA and PAL the next year alongside Majora's Mask 3D, MH4U was also a launch title, which if I'm not mistaken was at the time the quickest after release any MonHun game with new content had ever been localized to English.

Would they be willing to do the same with Drake? Probably not, but there's always a chance. I personally can't think of any third party game with the potential to fill a slot that important in the next twelve months, so in the end I agree with you that there will be a first party game releasing the same day as Drake.
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I don’t mean that it has to be an exclusive piece of software that can only run on this device, I mean more that it has to be a software that better showcases the capabilities of the system and nintendo is not really the one to just leave it empty, they try to match it as best as possible or make it the exact same day for the software and hardware.

Zelda breath of the wild 2 could be an excellent title for this technical showcase on the new system, or Splatoon 3 can be an excellent showcase of the system with enhancements to it. Or a rumored Metroid prime remake can be a good example of this, is simply has to be something that better showcases the capability of systems, in the same way Metroid dread was a show piece for the Nintendo switch OLED model.

Or Switch Lite with Link’s Awakening was part of a marketing campaign for it.

I highly doubt Nintendo will leave the system empty with absolutely nothing partnered with it. Them doing so would be odd and unprecedented especially in the switch era.
 
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Skittzo said:
Metroid Prime 4k and Ocarina of Time 4k would be pretty awesome system sellers too, and further reinforce the idea that this is majorly a system for upgrades of first party games and not exclusive first party games.
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I agree. A 4k/higher-res version of a first-party launch game would be a great way to get across how Nintendo wants to sell this system. Maybe some exclusive third-party games but not any exclusive first-party.
 
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Multiverse said:
Splatoon 3 could easily be the launch game.

Something is fishy with them when announcing release dates randomly on twitter that could’ve easily been direct trailers. Either E3 direct isn’t happening or they’re making way for something a bit more special.
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Nintendo tends to announce release dates before their upcoming fiscal yearly/quarterly meetings. They did the same with Kirby I believe. Especially when they don't have the rest of the year filled in yet. Investors would be asking what's coming in 2022 with Botw 2 delayed to spring 23. Nintendo would rather they announce it on twitter with a trailer and try to hype it up rather than dropping a date in a boring (for casuals) investor meeting.
 
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Since we're no longer in an age where updating games is impossible, any number of games released within the next year could be "ready to impress" whenever they choose to drop a new hardware.
 
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