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what the fuck you can't use my signature move on mehonk schoo honk schoo mimimimimimi
I will continue to be genuinely shocked by all mentions of the enormous switch deck form factor until it's announced and I can get used to it
what the fuck you can't use my signature move on mehonk schoo honk schoo mimimimimimi
Same for me. But device size can’t grow forever…what the fuck you can't use my signature move on me
I will continue to be genuinely shocked by all mentions of the enormous switch deck form factor until it's announced and I can get used to it
behold, the switch 5 form factor (it has a handle!)Same for me. But device size can’t grow forever…
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Atleast CRT makes a comeback.behold, the switch 5 form factor (it has a handle!)
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Based on various reasoning and calculations, I remember that Thraktor had come to hypothesize 1.7 tflops(handheld) and 3.4 tflops(docked). I think it's a plausible expectation.What’s the expected teraflops for the switch 2.
Since the series s is 4TF
And the steam deck is 1.6 TF
Wouldn’t a 3+ TF be a nice sweet spot for the switch 2.
8nm started with Tegra Orin, which is 8N
Kopite7Kimi admits to not knowing and assumed 8N based on Orin
For all intents and purposes, 4N is a 5nm design
I think the problem with this is that the T239 SoC is a nvidia product, plus nvidia products (in the present time frame) are predominantly either Samsung 8N or TSMC 4N. Has there been nvidia products based on Samsung 5nm?We just don't know. The discussion centers around 8nm vs 4N, but realistically it could just as easily be Samsung 5nm. Rumors from long ago suggested that a deal was struck with Samsung to supply multiple components for Nintendos next hardware. Taking on a very low margin/break even SOC deal might be off the table for Samsung if it were by itself, but by bundling in internal memory, game card Nand and maybe the LCD screen, now that is something that could make sense. So I would say Samsung 5nm is just as likely as TSMC 4N, and just because it's performance is not as good as 4N doesn't mean much for this product.
It was the first comment here I bookmarked too. Here's the link.Based on various reasoning and calculations, I remember that Thraktor had come to hypothesize 1.7 tflops(handheld) and 3.4 tflops(docked). I think it's a plausible expectation.
There's no solid rumor of Samsung supplies.We just don't know. The discussion centers around 8nm vs 4N, but realistically it could just as easily be Samsung 5nm. Rumors from long ago suggested that a deal was struck with Samsung to supply multiple components for Nintendos next hardware. Taking on a very low margin/break even SOC deal might be off the table for Samsung if it were by itself, but by bundling in internal memory, game card Nand and maybe the LCD screen, now that is something that could make sense. So I would say Samsung 5nm is just as likely as TSMC 4N, and just because it's performance is not as good as 4N doesn't mean much for this product.
Considering that the ns has a dynamic floating clock frequency in portable mode, it's likely that the switch2 does as well, with 550mhz being a good reference point, and possibly portable mode floating between 550mhz-600mhz while docking mode stays at a 1.1ghz clock frequency.Based on various reasoning and calculations, I remember that Thraktor had come to hypothesize 1.7 tflops(handheld) and 3.4 tflops(docked). I think it's a plausible expectation.
...it's less than an inch in any given dimension.what the fuck you can't use my signature move on me
I will continue to be genuinely shocked by all mentions of the enormous switch deck form factor until it's announced and I can get used to it
Note that I'm comparing "raster rendering", t239 all the information known so far helps us to compare with deck.You don’t know the rendering capabilities of either system so making this definitive claim is utterly useless unless you develop a game for each system that takes into account what each unique hardware does, even with clocks revealed, so I suggest getting down from that hill.
Did this happened after he doubled down on it a while ago?8nm started with Tegra Orin, which is 8N
Kopite7Kimi admits to not knowing and assumed 8N based on Orin
I think some might be confusing Kopite for Kepler (which are two different people). I'm one of those people that did confuse one for the other and was corrected here.Did this happened after he doubled down on it a while ago?
There's no solid rumor of Samsung supplies.
A Samsung 5nm node isn't currently realistic simply because we don't have a reason to believe in it. Nvidia uses capacity they have and they don't have such Samsung capacity as far as we know
You can’t compare the raster rendering capabilities of the van Gogh APU to the T239 SOC, while the Van Gogh APU in the deck can and will clock a lot higher, T239 has (physically) a much larger GPU with a lot higher amount of resources at its disposal. The Van Gogh APU is RDNA2 based but has no Infinity Cache that does help with rendering and ray tracing performance. T239 will have a lower level API than the Steam Deck could ever get, and T239 will have specialized development to its disposal that the Steam Deck just straight up will not get. Aka, there will be special “tucking and hiding of the seams” for T239 that will not work with Van Gogh.Note that I'm comparing "raster rendering", t239 all the information known so far helps us to compare with deck.
Oh just guess work, not hugely confident in any of those numbers. @Darknut85 has my basic reasoning right. I think a couple of us came to the same basic numbers, which happens to line up nicely with the leaked screen.Why thicker?
I don’t like making Raccoon unhappy. If it helps 1) just guessing and 2) not head over heels about it eitherjeeeeeeeeeeeesus
Neural enemy AI that learns how you play would be cool, but I understand that's a very difficult balance of training them enough to be a challenge, but not so much that they become gods amongst men.Outside of the eventual glorious return of PhysX, what are some more fixed function silicon features you would like to see in future NVIDIA/Nintendo GPUs?
I'm not. I'm specifically talking about Kopite because Kepler is more of an AMD personI think some might be confusing Kopite for Kepler (which are two different people). I'm one of those people that did confuse one for the other and was corrected here.
IIRC, Kepler did say he admit he don't know and assumed T239 is 8N because Orin is. I don't recall Kopite stating the same (suggesting he was assuming it was 8N because Orin is)
we know exactly why the TX1 was the only product on 20nm too, it was a shit node. Nvidia canned all their products on it and moved them to 28nm and then 16nm. if they don't want to buy shit nodes, as well as nodes that are more up to date and supported, Samsung 5nm is further off the table.Solid rumors are scarce in totality, so I don't see ample evidence to disprove it either. The Tegra X1 was the only Nvidia product developed on 20nm, and this suggest that they are willing to select a node that they do not normally use for their other products. I'm not against the argument that 4N makes more sense because they already have tons of capacity at that node, but there is no way to completely dismiss other potential options such as Samsung 5nm. With the recent discovery of Samsung 5th Gen V-nand for SNG, that does put another check mark in the Samsung bundle possibility.
You talking about the tweet right after the Nvidia leak where he put a question mark after 8nm?I'm not. I'm specifically talking about Kopite because Kepler is more of an AMD person
Hi, how probable Is that the dock mode is 4.0 tflops?Based on various reasoning and calculations, I remember that Thraktor had come to hypothesize 1.7 tflops(handheld) and 3.4 tflops(docked). I think it's a plausible expectation.
Fairly low. Also bandwidth becomes more and more of a bottleneck the higher you go, so even if you could you probably woudnt go that high.Hi, how probable Is that the dock mode 4.0 tflops?
Ok - where did you see Kopite state he thinks it's 8N because Orin is?I'm not. I'm specifically talking about Kopite because Kepler is more of an AMD person
I'm not sure if Infinity Cache can help drake erase the clock frequency and horsepower disadvantage, at least oldpuck didn't mention this statement in his previous discourseYou can’t compare the raster rendering capabilities of the van Gogh APU to the T239 SOC, while the Van Gogh APU in the deck can and will clock a lot higher, T239 has (physically) a much larger GPU with a lot higher amount of resources at its disposal. The Van Gogh APU is RDNA2 based but has no Infinity Cache that does help with rendering and ray tracing performance. T239 will have a lower level API than the Steam Deck could ever get, and T239 will have specialized development to its disposal that the Steam Deck just straight up will not get. Aka, there will be special “tucking and hiding of the seams” for T239 that will not work with Van Gogh.
we know exactly why the TX1 was the only product on 20nm too, it was a shit node. Nvidia canned all their products on it and moved them to 28nm and then 16nm. if they don't want to buy shit nodes, as well as nodes that are more up to date and supported, Samsung 5nm is further off the table.
It depends.Hi, how probable Is that the dock mode is 4.0 tflops?
Kopite didn't confirm it was 8nm either, he wrote in one of his 2022 tweets "8nm?"Ok - where did you see Kopite state he thinks it's 8N because Orin is?
Because, IIRC, only Kepler (not Kopite) has publicly used that line of reasoning here.
That's my recollection as well. I've not seen Kopite say he's assuming 8NM because Orin is 8NM. Thus why I said I wonder if some might be confusing Kepler for Kopite here.Kopite didn't confirm it was 8nm either, he wrote in one of his 2022 tweets "8nm?"
Nuance. We're talking about using line of reasoning saying it's 8N because Orin is 8N.In the link you posted there is a link for the kopite tweet where he says about the 8nm too
I have a screenshot of kopite writing "8nm?" but unfortunately I don't know how to insert pictures in this forumThat's my recollection as well. I've not seen Kopite say he's assuming 8NM because Orin is 8NM. Thus why I said I wonder if some might be confusing Kepler for Kopite here.
No need to, I'm sure most of us have already seen the tweet. However that's not the same as saying it's 8N because Orin is 8N. I've only seen Kepler use that line of reasoning publicly.I have a screenshot of kopite writing "8nm?" but unfortunately I don't know how to insert pictures in this forum
TFlops are not an accurate indicator of performance.Hi, how probable Is that the dock mode is 4.0 tflops?
Yeah, I mean even kopite is just speculating on the possibility of 8nm as a drake process based on orin's process, not to mention the tweet was posted in 2022.No need to, I'm sure most of us have already seen the tweet. However that's not the same as saying it's 8N because Orin is 8N. I've only seen Kepler use that line of reasoning publicly.
Only way to meet PPA goals for Tegra X1 and the node was ok for low power things. Hence why it was still used for mobile stuff back then.Playing dumb here, but if it was such a shit node as you suggest, then why bother taping out the chip in that node to begin with?
And I think Goodtwin's point is it doesn't matter if a node was shit, god-tier or whatever. Tegra X1 started on 20nm for some reason or another, and it was a node that otherwise wasn't used by Nvidia much.
If it's the tweet I think it is, that was from right after the Nvidia leak. He doubled down on 8nm much more recently.I have a screenshot of kopite writing "8nm?" but unfortunately I don't know how to insert pictures in this forum
Then prepare for the worst.If it's the tweet I think it is, that was from right after the Nvidia leak. He doubled down on 8nm much more recently.
The one where he goes like
8nm ?
Dane? Nope, DRAKE
8SM Nope 12
On the plus side he's maybe just guessingEverything is going in the worst possible direction and I fear the thread is going to replicate the tragic end of wiiu speculation back in the day.