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a weird take over the name. it's descriptive of what they talk about, the state of unreal engine and future improvements. it's also a developer oriented presentation, so it's not like the name needs to sell people
There are plenty of other descriptive words to use. And I was talking about mimicry in general, so that's as true for Unreal as it is for Xbox as it is for anyone. I don't think it makes sense to be so lacking in creativity in your marketing, whether it's B2B or B2C. I don't know if that's "weird", but that's my opinion. It's not a big deal of course, but I think it's a bit silly.
 
Microsoft is perfectly capable of selling a hybrid console at a loss. That has been its modus operandi to date. However, perhaps Microsoft feels that after almost 25 years on the market, this aggressive strategy has lasted long enough.
Idk about a hybrid AND a traditional console. Wouldn't those two just cannibalize each other? Are we getting 8K games next year? No? Are 120 hz tv becoming more common? Idk, but if not I just see a split. Then if Microsoft just want it to play Xbox one games and some series games... then how well will it do without new content?
 
I think a lot of the current discussion breeds discussion of why Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are in the video games business. It's honestly worth also talking about Sega, NEC, and Atari as well at some point.

I think for Nintendo it was the natural extension of the toy business that they were already in. For Sony, it was a simple bet after they experienced first hand how poorly Nintendo treated it's business partners that paid off handsomely and then they dovetailed into their other consumer electronics and movie business. It was really good for them until the points where it's been less good for them. For Microsoft it was the desire to have a set top box under every TV and using that to make themselves the de facto TV connected device so that when a business opportunity
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came along, they'd be in the right place for it.

I think Sony really leaned into their media business for it. They drove up production values and attempts at photo-realism with comparisons to Pixar movies, big soundtracks, and full motion video. This was the obvious way for them to go with it from their perspective. I think it was a case of having the tiger by the tail and figuring out how best to make money doing it while leaning on their strengths.

Microsoft has chased Sony the entire time that they've been in the business, with the exception of when they chased Nintendo with Kinect. They have at various times made money with xbox live, gamepass, and advertisements on their dashboard. They're constantly throwing money at it though with the idea that if they're the biggest, then they're in control, and of course they'll make money. It's worked before, so why wouldn't it work now?

Either way, all three have chased the razorblade model that Atari established with the VCS, and Nintendo perfected (and then got greedy with) with the lockout chip.

I think the difference is that for Nintendo, video games are their business, but for Sony and Microsoft are in the business as a means to a different end.
 
March to Q4 wouldn't be that long historically. PS5 was announced in April 2020 and released in November, and the Series X was revealed in December of 2019. It took 11 months for the Series X to come out. March to November for Nintendo is fine and normal.
Furukawa said they wanted to make the period between reveal and release much shorter. I personally think we are in for a surprise with the release date that will shock people.
 
As a lurker who checks this thread now and then, it sure is a bad look on this forum when someone disagrees with the accepted fami-approved idea and gets dog piled on for 3 pages straight. Y'all can't just read the post, disagree and move on? Crazy
While I agree that we should chill with the dog piling, it's important to acknowledge that:

1. The individual in question has been a known troll.

2. Nate and Necrolipe have a good track record, despite having a few duds in the past and this person's post seemed to blatantly disregard that and make a presumptuous and unreasonable claim.

It's important to be as courteous as possible to one another, while also holding each other accountable for things like this. This was more than just a difference of opinion.
 
I don’t see dog piling as a “real” thing, most of the time. It’s a name given to a sequence of individual users individually deciding that a post made by another user is disagreeable, often simultaneously, that leads to a discussion in which it can rarely be said everyone is responding to one specific post anymore. And it’s rarely a result of someone merely disagreeing.

Edit: yes I am disputing the existence of an aggressive dog-themed concept with an aggressive dog avatar
 
As a lurker who checks this thread now and then, it sure is a bad look on this forum when someone disagrees with the accepted fami-approved idea and gets dog piled on for 3 pages straight. Y'all can't just read the post, disagree and move on? Crazy
I'm pretty new to this community and I have to agree. It will be incredibly interesting to see how many of these arrogant users are just so painfully wrong once we get official news.

I don’t see dog piling as a “real” thing, most of the time. It’s a name given to a sequence of individual users individually deciding that a post made by another user is disagreeable, often simultaneously, that leads to a discussion in which it can rarely be said everyone is responding to one specific post anymore. And it’s rarely a result of someone merely disagreeing.

Edit: yes I am disputing the existence of an aggressive dog-themed concept with an aggressive dog avatar
You've GOT to be joking. Did you happen to miss how people here treated the folks suggesting the new device won't have joy-cons?
 
I'm pretty new to this community and I have to agree. It will be incredibly interesting to see how many of these arrogant users are just so painfully wrong once we get official news.
Arrogant is quite a stretch, imho. Despite the occasional arguing, we're mostly informed based on our ~3 years worth of findings (which you can find on the first page). Even though there's a high chance we'll get a few things wrong, as we can't possibly know everything, but I don't know about "painfully" wrong (unless it's specific occasions, like the quarterly Q&As, then.....). No offense, but I think you need to be a little more acquainted with this community, if this is the conclusion you've drawn, same with what I assume to be many new lurkers here.
 
You've GOT to be joking. Did you happen to miss how people here treated the folks suggesting the new device won't have joy-cons?
Derisively? Probable, though yes, I did miss those specific exchanges.

It doesn’t change the fact that “dog piling” is a result of individual action, not some weird, coordinated hive-mind bullying campaign, as some make it out to be.

Edit: That said, do I think if you see what you judge to be a bad post and it already has five replies, that maybe it’s worth questioning whether you have anything new to add? Probably. But like I said, it’s often the case that a bunch of people see the post and either don’t check for replies, or else they saw it at the same time as others, and so that wasn’t possible.
 
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Furukawa said they wanted to make the period between reveal and release much shorter. I personally think we are in for a surprise with the release date that will shock people.
The NX was announced like 2 years before it came out. At this point I'm sure that's what he was referring to.
 
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As a lurker who checks this thread now and then, it sure is a bad look on this forum when someone disagrees with the accepted fami-approved idea and gets dog piled on for 3 pages straight. Y'all can't just read the post, disagree and move on? Crazy

It's not a problem to disagree. It's a problem to call people untrustworthy to boost your idea as the realistic expectation based on feelings.
 
I don't want to just scare away new members, I just wanted to set the record straight. Maybe I'm not the best for that....
 
If there were a list of Fami approved ideas we wouldn't be debating over name, RAM capacity, storage, or launch window every couple of pages.
 
As a lurker who checks this thread now and then, it sure is a bad look on this forum when someone disagrees with the accepted fami-approved idea and gets dog piled on for 3 pages straight. Y'all can't just read the post, disagree and move on? Crazy
Well here is the thing, a couple of users here did the research and the math. They did some investigative work. Some here even did some testing with what is public. The ones that disagree are not doing themselves a favor by not even reading the first page, the first post constantly updates on new finding.

Then some just make claims that can easily be disproven. Someone say that Nintendo take the cheapest parts to make a system but a quick google search shows otherwise.

I am not saying everyone should agree, but be fair and see what has been said. I mean no one here agrees on how much ram we are getting or even the name. However, a lot of people did keep up to date on the research.

(Nintendo Switch ultra 64 FTW)
 
There must be some kind of memory hole or mind virus re: Nintendo and backwards compatibility because the discussion around it has generated some of the most mindboggling takes even from people who aren't trolls.
Yeah, I've lost count of how many times I've seen people on other sites act as though all Nintendo had to do was press the "make Wii U games work on Switch" button.
 
Arrogant is quite a stretch, imho. Despite the occasional arguing, we're mostly informed based on our ~3 years worth of findings (which you can find on the first page). Even though there's a high chance we'll get a few things wrong, as we can't possibly know everything, but I don't know about "painfully" wrong (unless it's specific occasions, like the quarterly Q&As, then.....). No offense, but I think you need to be a little more acquainted with this community, if this is the conclusion you've drawn, same with what I assume to be many new lurkers here.
No offense, but it’s pretty telling you felt I was talking about you when I wasn’t.

I’ve seen plenty of people put down others for their opinions instead of just disagreeing and moving on.

I’ve also seen and experienced the dog piling phenomenon firsthand and I only joined last year.
 
No offense, but it’s pretty telling you felt I was talking about you when I wasn’t.

I’ve seen plenty of people put down others for their opinions instead of just disagreeing and moving on.

I’ve also seen and experienced the dog piling phenomenon firsthand and I only joined last year.
No???? I wasn't even trying to insert myself in that part of the conversation.

I've noticed that a few of those receiving those disagreements haven't taken the OP and its contents into consideration while making statements that blatantly contradict them. That's the main point of contention.

If you take issue with how arguments are presented, feel free to express such concerns, bring it up to the admins if necessary, but also review the thread rules.
 
No offense, but it’s pretty telling you felt I was talking about you when I wasn’t.

I’ve seen plenty of people put down others for their opinions instead of just disagreeing and moving on.

I’ve also seen and experienced the dog piling phenomenon firsthand and I only joined last year.
We are not attacking no one or their character. We just only call out there reasoning behind it. "Because Nintendo" that is such a lazy argument. Are we not allowed to dissect that argument?
 
So when someone disagrees with something in a group that mostly agrees with it, it's dogpiling when the other people express their disagreement with that person. Is my understanding correct?
 
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I'm not gonna pretend like this thread hasn't had its share of issues regarding this topic, but the disagreements over the last few days surely don't apply.
 
Errr...... If you've noticed a change in my pfp and title, there's some shenanigans going on in the General thread. Nothing crazy, so keep carrying on like usual ☺️
 
So when someone disagrees with something in a group that mostly agrees with it, it's dogpiling when the other people express their disagreement with something. Is my understanding correct?
No, it becomes dogpiling when users assume that because the majority agrees over something that it must be fact to the point that they begin mocking the person who proposed the thing folks disagreed with. Just disagree and move on. It doesn't have to become this whole spectacle where folks start accusing each other of trolling or get all giddy over ignoring certain people.

It's okay to disagree with someone and just move on.
 


Has this been posted?

It is super strange that its 1080p 60fps on PS5 and 1080 30 FPS on ps4. That gap between performance mode and quality (4k30) is something.
Other tidbits:
-Performance is a lot 60fps, rarely drops
-Quality mode has frame pacing issues
-PS4/PS4 Pro have frame pacing issues too
-Proprietary engine.
 
No, it becomes dogpiling when users assume that because the majority agrees over something that it must be fact to the point that they begin mocking the person who proposed the thing folks disagreed with. Just disagree and move on. It doesn't have to become this whole spectacle where folks start accusing each other of trolling or get all giddy over ignoring certain people.

It's okay to disagree with someone and just move on.
Could you please show us examples of this happening?
 
We are not attacking no one or their character. We just only call out there reasoning behind it. "Because Nintendo" that is such a lazy argument. Are we not allowed to dissect that argument?
It's a turn of phrase people. It's slang and meant to poke fun at Nintendo's out of the box and often anti-consumer practices. Why does such a phrase trigger so many people here when there have been decades of weird, difficult-to-explain-at-face-value decisions made by Nintendo?

And if it bothers you so much then ignore it and move on. Sheesh.
 
I think Bingbong is right about one thing, which is that arrogant pessimism is punished more heavily than arrogant optimism. That's because of the way the thread leans. But humble optimism and pessimism are equally acceptable. So, you know, just do one of those please. It's not that hard.
 
Introducing different ideas, viewpoints, etc exposing your thought process is one thing
Deliberately stirring the pot with hyperbole truly is something else
So when you start stirring it and you get pushback, that’s not dogpiling
Dogpiling would’ve been organized and premeditated. These read like callouts to me after that one attempt at trolling
 
It's a turn of phrase people. It's slang and meant to poke fun at Nintendo's out of the box and often anti-consumer practices. Why does such a phrase trigger so many people here when there have been decades of weird, difficult-to-explain-at-face-value decisions made by Nintendo?

And if it bothers you so much then ignore it and move on. Sheesh.
I don't think he means people saying "Because Nintendo" literally. A "Because Nintendo" argument is an argument that suggests that Nintendo will/won't do something because they haven't/have done it in the past. These types of arguments rarely make sense, because Nintendo are an ever-changing company and especially post-Switch their previous actions do not affect their current decisions.
 
The thing for me is that the tone I frequently see from people “calling out” perceived dogpiling is often significantly worse than that of those doing the perceived dogpiling.
 
Idk about a hybrid AND a traditional console. Wouldn't those two just cannibalize each other?
Depends on what you mean by cannibalize. If you mean “won’t they just split the same sales base,” probably not. There are a chunk of handheld players untapped by either MS and Sony right now. On this thread how many non-Xbox owners would buy a Xbox Handheld if it were guaranteed the same games as the S|X? I would.

Phil is very aware of how Nintendo positioned themselves as everyone’s second console with the Switch. With cloud saves, there are a decent chunk of PS5 players who might see no value in buying a second TV console just to play two or three exclusives over the course of the generation, but might buy a handheld to play multiplats on the go and get Starfield as a bonus.

It might cannibalize development recourses, but MS already has two consoles, and is already committed to supporting PC with every release. A handheld with a smaller screen might be an easier sell to third parties than what the Series S delivers.

Maybe Im biased as a handheld guy, but I think MS should absolutely make one, instead of a series X equivalent next gen. Make a cheap console to outprice Sony, and a handheld and offer a year of gamepass free, and their hardware sales would skyrocket
 
Perhaps there should be new rules and more mod intervention, if this is truly a problem.
With all due respect the last time mods intervened a little more, you and a couple others complained. And they didn't ban anyone. They just warned people.

No???? I wasn't even trying to insert myself in that part of the conversation.

I've noticed that a few of those receiving those disagreements haven't taken the OP and its contents into consideration while making statements that blatantly contradict them. That's the main point of contention.

If you take issue with how arguments are presented, feel free to express such concerns, bring it up to the admins if necessary, but also review the thread rules.
But some people just talk in a condescending manner right off the bat. Hell when I first came here I dealt with this cause that OP is a bit much. I cannot, with my adhd, read that shit. I had asked for a simple retread of what is known and whatnot and it took a couple passive aggressive comments but someone was nice enough to educate me. And I will not blame anyone wanting to do the same cause that OP is too much lol. Funnily enough the ones who made passive aggressive comments are banned but still.

Also, like the people who are so optimistic just jump to tell people that disagree that they are wrong and that something is "more likely" going to happen. And one person does it in a pretty condescending way. Enough that I've put them on ignore.
I think Bingbong is right about one thing, which is that arrogant pessimism is punished more heavily than arrogant optimism. That's because of the way the thread leans. But humble optimism and pessimism are equally acceptable. So, you know, just do one of those please. It's not that hard.
This is what I mean. This 100%. Someone here was threadbanned for being pretty arrogant in their pessimism but if you are optimistic and arrogant...you're good.
 
Could you please show us examples of this happening?
Almost every time I've offered a thought in this thread that conflicts with the current fami-approved ideal, I feel I've experienced a bit of dogpiling.

I got it back in February when I suggested that we already knew back in October 2023 that we weren't going to get any major new device news until the end of the fiscal year. I was called fake news and multiple users dismissed what I had to say as just being Furukawa "corporate speak."

The same phenomenon happened when some of us were discussing whether or not the new device would have joy-cons. The whole thread devolved into folks claiming that we were Nintendoomers or that there must not be anything interesting to discuss because "the stupid joy-con discussion" has come back around. Multiple users referred to the people trying to discuss it as stupid or ignorant and it was really unwelcoming and gross.


If you think something has already been discussed enough...maybe go take a break from the thread and let folks who haven't discussed it have a chance? Not all of us are perpetually online and can keep up with every bit of the discussion.
 
It's not a problem to disagree. It's a problem to call people untrustworthy to boost your idea as the realistic expectation based on feelings.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I also don't agree with many of the lower spec takes. In fact, I'm pretty much in line with what basically everyone else is expecting because it just makes sense.

I'm an old(ish) fart and have had the luck and luxury of retiring early, and I'll occasionally browse here because being a retired electrical engineer and life long nerd, some of the things certain members post here are super enjoyable to read and right up my alley.

But it's really off putting to wade through 100 posts in a row of "BECAUSE NINTENDO" just to find one section of actual conversation because someone dared mention 8gb, no joycons or any number of other things considered "negative". Not everyone is knowledgeable about hardware, or supply chain logistics or how billion dollar companies operate. Having a different opinion isn't "negative" by default. No matter how much I think they're wrong.

Personally, as well, I don't even think questioning someone's credentials is necessarily a huge deal. The people in question have a proven track record, and everyone will be off the mark now and then. And soon enough they'll hit another thing right. These are grown men and their records will speak for themselves, people are allowed to question either way though
 
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No joycons means that Nintendo would have to include controllers on the handheld and a pro controller.

Unless the joycons are just ridiculously expensive to make compared to a Dual Sense due to the locking mechanism, this would make the Switch 2 way too expensive.

“No joycons” is inherently assuming actually a much more costly and premium solution. It’s just a really weird call.
 
So the problem with the particular user in question is you can ignore him all you want, but all you see is that [You are ignoring this user] banner for pages upon pages because people keep replying to and engaging in the same bait constantly.

If everyone could ignore so they'd be talking to a brick wall, that'd be real nice.
 
Almost every time I've offered a thought in this thread that conflicts with the current fami-approved ideal, I feel I've experienced a bit of dogpiling.

I got it back in February when I suggested that we already knew back in October 2023 that we weren't going to get any major new device news until the end of the fiscal year. I was called fake news and multiple users dismissed what I had to say as just being Furukawa "corporate speak."

The same phenomenon happened when some of us were discussing whether or not the new device would have joy-cons. The whole thread devolved into folks claiming that we were Nintendoomers or that there must not be anything interesting to discuss because "the stupid joy-con discussion" has come back around. Multiple users referred to the people trying to discuss it as stupid or ignorant and it was really unwelcoming and gross.


If you think something has already been discussed enough...maybe go take a break from the thread and let folks who haven't discussed it have a chance? Not all of us are perpetually online and can keep up with every bit of the discussion.
Assuming by joy-con discussion you're talking about the recent discourse around Nate's latest podcast episode, saying that "the whole thread" devolved into that is disingenuous. I did see a few insults thrown around, which is obviously unacceptable, but the majority of people just seemed to be confused about why he thought this when the burden of proof suggests the new system will have them.
 
I wonder if Microsoft can break into the hybrid market without kneecapping their development pipeline with their power consuming games. Hope they actually put all those studios they bought to use; diversify their software lineup with varying budgets not unlike Nintendo. It'd be an interesting prospect, to say the least.

Bringing the topic back to Nintendo, if third-party support for Redraketed NG improves (especially out the gate), I wonder if that'll bring about a change in the cultural zeitgeist, in terms of how Nintendo systems are perceived compared to their contemporaries. Nintendo has, for years, been considered as the "side piece" of gaming and, as @oldpuck above me has mentioned, the Switch is often seen as the second system for many. If we're heading into a world, where Nintendo's next big system has games like Call of Duty, Madden, and Grand Theft Auto, there's a strong chance that it may become the primary system for many for years to come. Would this potential reality change the market in any substantial way? How would Sony and Microsoft respond?

I used to believe that Nintendo wasn't actively competing with Sony and Microsoft, but now I'm not sure of that opinion. One could argue that all of the money-hatting and the acquisitions are geared to hinder Nintendo, if anything. After all, their meteoric success with the Switch is nothing to scoff at or ignore.

Tl;dr: Times are a-changin' and positions may be shifted more than we think.
 
So the problem with the particular user in question is you can ignore him all you want, but all you see is that [You are ignoring this user] banner for pages upon pages because people keep replying to and engaging in the same bait constantly.

If everyone could ignore so they'd be talking to a brick wall, that'd be real nice.
I feel the same way. At least I don't have to read anything from that user, but the red banners seems to just go on for pages. 🤷‍♂️
 
For antagonizing the thread over a series of posts and talking past other member's view points, you have been thread banned for 1 month.-mariodk18, xghost777, meatbag
No joycons means that Nintendo would have to include controllers on the handheld and a pro controller.

Unless the joycons are just ridiculously expensive to make compared to a Dual Sense due to the locking mechanism, this would make the Switch 2 way too expensive.

“No joycons” is inherently assuming actually a much more costly and premium solution. It’s just a really weird call.
See, but that is built on quite a few assumptions about Nintendo and the next device that you don't even realize you're taking for granted.

Docking could be entirely secondary on the new device. Maybe it's sold as a handheld that can become a hybrid if you buy the dock separately?

Maybe Nintendo offers a way to dock the device without it having to leave your hands?

Same goes for everyone believing the customs data as gospel over the supposed joy-con measurements. What if that's for a new Switch revision set to come out after the new device? What if it's just prototyping for something else entirely?

The central point I'm trying to make is that we really don't know what we don't know and when folks forget that they often end up becoming arrogant and unwelcoming to the new users who are truly just as ignorant as everybody else.

Edit: Did the person who threadbanned me even read what I said? I wasn't accusing any specific person of arrogance. It was a caution to anyone who doesn't realize what we do or don't know. I really feel this threadban is an overreaction and seems to indicate that whomever did it misunderstood me. @mariodk18
 
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I wonder if Microsoft can break into the hybrid market without kneecapping their development pipeline with their power consuming games. Hope they actually put all those studios they bought to use; diversify their software lineup with varying budgets not unlike Nintendo. It'd be an interesting prospect, to say the least.

Bringing the topic back to Nintendo, if third-party support for Redraketed NG improves (especially out the gate), I wonder if that'll bring about a change in the cultural zeitgeist, in terms of how Nintendo systems are perceived compared to their contemporaries. Nintendo has, for years, been considered as the "side piece" of gaming and, as @oldpuck above me has mentioned, the Switch is often seen as the second system for many. If we're heading into a world, where Nintendo's next big system has games like Call of Duty, Madden, and Grand Theft Auto, there's a strong chance that it may become the primary system for many for years to come. Would this potential reality change the market in any substantial way? How would Sony and Microsoft respond?

I used to believe that Nintendo wasn't actively competing with Sony and Microsoft, but now I'm not sure of that opinion. One could argue that all of the money-hatting and the acquisitions are geared to hinder Nintendo, if anything. After all, their meteoric success with the Switch is nothing to scoff at or ignore.

Tl;dr: Times are a-changin' and positions may be shifted more than we think.
Microsoft needs to find it's niche. Coming out with a hybrid will just put them where they are now vis-a-vis Sony but vs Nintendo and it solves nothing.
Their hardware isn't selling for other reasons smarter people than me will have to figure out.

It's clear having the most powerful console and a reasonably price entry point console that's more or less a twin to the PS5 isn't helping them. So I don't see why copying what Nintendo will do will help them.
 
Same goes for everyone believing the customs data as gospel over the supposed joy-con measurements. What if that's for a new Switch revision set to come out after the new device? What if it's just prototyping for something else entirely?
It is very unlikely that CMB is not Switch 2. Not impossible, but very unlikely. There's stuff connecting it to T239 for example, and if it were for a Switch 1 revision there would likely be other clues. If it were just experimental prototyping we wouldn't be seeing it in that form either.
 


Has this been posted?

It is super strange that its 1080p 60fps on PS5 and 1080 30 FPS on ps4. That gap between performance mode and quality (4k30) is something.
Other tidbits:
-Performance is a lot 60fps, rarely drops
-Quality mode has frame pacing issues
-PS4/PS4 Pro have frame pacing issues too
-Proprietary engine.

DF suspects it's based on Platinum tech, but I have many reasons to doubt that. I suspect these problems are teething issues with CyGames internal tools as this is, as far as I know, the first game on it, as Project Awakening has been MIA for such a long time.
 
Assuming by joy-con discussion you're talking about the recent discourse around Nate's latest podcast episode, saying that "the whole thread" devolved into that is disingenuous. I did see a few insults thrown around, which is obviously unacceptable, but the majority of people just seemed to be confused about why he thought this when the burden of proof suggests the new system will have them.
I was discussing the device not having joy-cons before Nate's podcast and folks were already dismissing me and insulting me then. Nate's podcast just brought a whole new wave of it.

And no, the thread devolved for multiple pages. There for a minute it felt like @oldpuck was the only one carrying on unaffected by it.
 
Switching topics and out of genuine curiosity, what constitutes modern graphics advancements besides extra compute?
The only examples I know are ones to the tune of better caching
 
It is very unlikely that CMB is not Switch 2. Not impossible, but very unlikely. There's stuff connecting it to T239 for example, and if it were for a Switch 1 revision there would likely be other clues.
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I mean, there’s something to be said for not dismissing opposing perspectives out of hand for sure. But we also can’t just treat all speculation as equal or equally informed. Then the conversation is just “maybe this is true!” -> “maybe it is!” forever and ever and ever.

At a certain point both individuals and the community at large are going to make judgements as to what is more likely true based on the evidence they’ve seen, and it’s going to influence the flow and content of the discourse. That’s just kind of… the nature of information existing in an environment.

Edit: But to be clear, insults are incredibly unproductive and we shouldn’t be demeaning people no matter how bad we believe their take to be. Sometimes people are outright trolling and there’s good reason to believe it, but good faith should generally be assumed.
 
Switching topics and out of genuine curiosity, what constitutes modern graphics advancements besides extra compute?
The only examples I know are ones to the tune of better caching
This seems less noticable, but I'd say AI complexity. Pikmin comes to mind in that regard, as the first game was a showcase of not only the GameCube's rendering capabilities, but also the AI of 100 characters (although that's yielded mixed results).
 
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