There's no reason Nintendo can't have one of their consoles sell as well as their handhelds.Why would they want to take that risk when their portable hardware has pretty much dominated the market for 30 years?
The switch is the perfect form factor for Nintendo. Their handheld market is more engaged than ever as they now have a device with the added option of playing on the TV as well as home console experiences on a handheld along with traditional handheld experiences.
The home console crew still get a home console, just not a massively powerful one and they were always a smaller market to Nintendo anyway.
You already made a thread about this why you need to bring this topic again when there was already a thread with multiple pages about it that got blocked because it was going nowhere?There's no reason Nintendo can't have one of their consoles sell as well as their handhelds.
Mark Gurman's record says otherwise. And he does write articles for Bloomberg.Bloomberg is about as credible as SuperMetalDave64
Sayin this is equivalent to accepting Nintendo's PR as the truth, which it might not be.Bloomberg is about as credible as SuperMetalDave64
yes to the first, probably not to the secondIt just feels like Nintendo has given up on home consoles.
Nintendo could make a successful home console.
No single info points to a release within 12 months either. So far this assumption is based on hopium more than anything else. Which will probably turn to copium if nothing releases next March: "plans have probably changed"; "something happened behind closed doors"... etc.No single rumor, credible or not, points to a release that late.
No they don't. They can do it a few times for all the big publishers, sure, but in doing so they will set a precedent that they will do that every time. And that they can't afford.Nintendo has the money to moneyhat third parties.
There are many reasons, lots of which have been listed in this thread (and your thread).There's no reason Nintendo can't have one of their consoles sell as well as their handhelds.
About that last line, do we know how much Nintendo made from the Switch and first party games? I'm guessing more than the Wii and DS era?Too many people don't realise how much more succesfull the Switch is over the Playstation and Xbox. The Switch is the most profitable console ever.
They did, it came out in 2017.Nintendo could make a successful home console.
yes, by virtue of more expensive games and hardware aloneAbout that last line, do we know how much Nintendo made from the Switch and first party games? I'm guessing more than the Wii and DS era?
OK, I'll stop.
Sorry, I tend to obsess over stuff because I have ADHD.
I feel like reputation were hurt and bosses got mad at the Switch Pro thing, that's why we are not seeing it. Clearly the subject lead to hits and retweets, but after a few misses, your reputation will get dinged.
What’s the plan then if the Drake can’t be stocked in high enough numbers to replace those who would have bought a Switch? Or if this device has slim margins like OLED?It will decline rapidly look at the DS and PS4
You’re alright; This thread is full of wonderful obsessions - just have to reign it in when a discussion is already well tread.
My two cents on the whole ‘home console’ thing - Nintendo are converging their efforts on the ‘laptop’ of gaming-only hardware in a way, and it's resonating with the broadest audience they've ever seen. The Switch is a lucrative product with a mostly uncontested value. If there's ever going to be a time for them to re-evaluate the focus on a hybrid device, it's not anytime soon. The best somebody should hope for is for them to release a TV only device as a low cost point of entry into the ecosystem, and I'd half expect it to be based on the OG model and release sometime after the revision drops - really milking the previous model kinda thing
If you're referring to Bloomberg, Mochizuki probably is just trying to get something new or more bulletproof if he’s ever to formalize another report. 11+ developers was a substantial thing to report on, but he’s not going to drop that same headline a second time . And it’s not like he’s hiding his thoughts on the subject since:
On the tweet, not on the article. He's quoting someone else.
My op said that bosses got mad too, maybe his bosses aren't allowing him to touch the subject on an article published by Bloomberg.Not sure what you’re getting at? I know it’s not his article, and my post doesn’t imply that it is. The Tweet comment is the focus, and it’s clearly continuing to lean into the idea that new hardware is coming.
I don't think Bloomberg is the same as IGN or KotakuWhen did gaming outlets start caring about their reputation? The public has a short memory anyway. Plus it’s not like Bloomberg was completely wrong and Mochizuki has gotten plenty of things correct since then- like Nagoshi leaving Sega.
I think probably digital only.Would a tv edition of Switch just be a digital only box or still play cartridges?
Nintendo is nealy twice as profitable as Playstation.One of the advantages of a Home Console: it wouldn't cannibalize sales from standard Switch and OLED Switch. It would extend Switch's life as it wouldn't have exclusive games (just exclusive premium modes). And it could combine with the current Switch by streaming the Home Console to the current Switch when you're at home.
I actually don't see it as a bad idea, especially considering the fact that they couldn't sell many consoles due to the current goblal ship shortage. And in the near future after this crisis (2025-26), they could offer the same Home Console as a hybrid or handheld console with exclusive games.
I think they meant as an add-on, not to leave behind the form factor.Nintendo is nealy twice as profitable as Playstation.
Nintendo is nealy twice as profitable as Playstation.
Nintendo is nealy twice as profitable as Playstation.
Nintendo is nealy twice as profitable as Playstation.
Why would they give up their succesfull business model and adopt a less successfull one.
So create development hell then.I think they meant as an add-on, not to leave behind the form factor.
Yeah, look at my previous comment.So create development hell then.
Exactly. It's not about doing a home console with exclusive games, but a home console with the same games from Switch but in premium conditions like 60fps o 4K.I think they meant as an add-on, not to leave behind the form factor.
Have you considered thats it only a small market to cater too.Exactly. It's not about doing a home console with exclusive games, but a home console with the same games from Switch but in premium conditions like 60fps o 4K.
I'm not talking about a home console with new games. I'm talking about playing next Zelda at 4k/60fps in the home console and 900p/30fps in the current Switch. That way, it doesn't split the teams for development.
Creating such a device so different to the original Switch but that can run games at 4K/60fps would be too expensive for Nintendo to do if it’s only to appeal to a small enthusiastic crowd. And I’m not even talking about the cost of making a new update for all the games so this specific niche device can run all the 1st party games at 4k/60fps and in some cases the work to do so would be quite big.Exactly. It's not about doing a home console with exclusive games, but a home console with the same games from Switch but in premium conditions like 60fps o 4K.
I'm not talking about a home console with new games. I'm talking about playing next Zelda at 4k/60fps in the home console and 900p/30fps in the current Switch. That way, it doesn't split the teams for development.
If Drake ended up as, for example, a Nintendo Switch 2 in holiday 2024, I'd expect a Nintendo Switch TV in holiday 2023 for a budget price.I think a cheap Switch Home / Switch TV Stick is in the realm of possibility. A Ring Fit and Switch Sports machine, $150 - $200 with the current Tegra X1+ and games use the current docked mode profile (so no extra performance modes), standalone joy-cons (like below). A cheap entry point device like the Lite, basically the inverse Lite.
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Now, 'realm of possibility' doesn't mean I think this is coming anytime soon, I don't know how large the target demographic for this is. This is just how I would position it. At least for me, it'd be an easy and cheap gift for family members who want to play Mario Kart on a TV.
I don't imagine a home console would have exclusive performance modes, the effort would be better spent in making the flagship hybrid model more powerful, as that will be the lead dev platform going forward.
I mean that’s my point. The others don’t care and Bloomberg’s reputation isn’t going to be impacted by some fans online. I would assume insiders are just trying to nail down a release window.I don't think Bloomberg is the same as IGN or Kotaku
Bloomberg is a buisness magazine for investors, their reputation matters a lot and will be affected if they keep saying something will happen and in the end not only it doesnt happen but the company makes a public statement saying you are wrong like it happened with OLED profit margins.I mean that’s my point. The others don’t care and Bloomberg’s reputation isn’t going to be impacted by some fans online. I would assume insiders are just trying to nail down a release window.
Too many people don't realise how much more succesfull the Switch is over the Playstation and Xbox. The Switch is the most profitable console ever.
I don’t think your getting a device that cheap from Nintendo nowadays & with a bundle, which they typically increase the price for.A Switch "Home" that would just connect to the TV, and that came with a single joycon/Pro Controller, if they priced it around 100€, even bundle it with a game... would be a huge success.
The 2DS at one point was 80€ with Mario Kart 7 included, and it sold like crazy, I know people that even bought multiple consoles for the kids.
Nintendo want to increase Switch install base by making users to get several Switch systems for the same house, among other strategies. The Lite was one way to accomplish it (for example, getting a Lite for one of the kids or someone who prefers handheld gaming), but they could still use the same game cards. A TV-only Switch would fit in the same strategy of having families buying several Switch devices, this time for someone that prefers to play only on TV or to have a living room set up to do some Mario Kart / Party / Ring Fit with the family/friends and the other hybrid Switches reserved for other spaces or if someone wants to play some Zelda/Animal Crossing/Brain Training at the same time.I think probably digital only.
A Switch "Home" that would just connect to the TV, and that came with a single joycon/Pro Controller, if they priced it around 100€, even bundle it with a game... would be a huge success.
The 2DS at one point was 80€ with Mario Kart 7 included, and it sold like crazy, I know people that even bought multiple consoles for the kids.
Same here. I primarily play docked, so if there's a TV-only version of Drake that's cheaper, I'd be right in the proper demo for it. But if the games I've spent years collecting suddenly don't work, I'd be unhappy.Nintendo want to increase Switch install base by making users to get several Switch systems for the same house, among other strategies. The Lite was one way to accomplish it (for example, getting a Lite for one of the kids or someone who prefers handheld gaming), but they could still use the same game cards. A TV-only Switch would fit in the same strategy of having families buying several Switch devices, this time for someone that prefers to play only on TV or to have a living room set up to do some Mario Kart / Party / Ring Fit with the family/friends and the other hybrid Switches reserved for other spaces or if someone wants to play some Zelda/Animal Crossing/Brain Training at the same time.
Having a TV-only Switch that only accepts digital gaming goes against this philosophy. That kind of Apple TV-like device could only convince to a very small niche that honestly is not worth the investment. Yeah, not including the game card reader would save Nintendo some money, but they should be saving lots already if the systems doesn't have an OLED screen and a giant battery, so...
I personally would get a TV-only 4K Switch for my 65" LG OLED TV while keeping my launch Switch on my bedroom, but if I can't use my 50+ game cards on both that could be a no sale from me. It just doesn't make any sense.
It’s almost as if they literally created a portable device that can be docked with a television and adjust performance to push a few more pixels while docked.That's not just a feeling, its a plain factual statement.
Doesn’t have to be one of the other. It could act as a pro with some occasional third party exclusives at the first phase of its lifecycle, then gradually transition to be the main dev platform. This is what a lot of us believe.