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[Hartmann]

The estimated cost of the two Joy-Con is $90.
If they want to keep the total cost of Switch 2 down, it makes sense to keep them unpackaged.

Japanese teardown firm goes into greater detail on Switch pricing, sees possibility for upgraded dock

From the GoNintendo Archives

gonintendo.com

• Switch tablet and dock cost is about $167
• the two Joy-Con cost roughly $90
• since each Joy-Con contains twenty small parts, those contribute to the expenses

 

[Truno]

Well this should now keep me from making another video on something already found here lol.

What it do bruh?

 

[Zedark]

The estimated cost of the two Joy-Con is $90.
If they want to keep the total cost of Switch 2 down, it makes sense to keep them unpackaged.

Japanese teardown firm goes into greater detail on Switch pricing, sees possibility for upgraded dock

From the GoNintendo Archives

gonintendo.com

That depends a lot on what makes them expensive. Things like HD rumble won't bring the cost down since they would be present in the fixed controllers as well. Unless the parts that make the joy-con detachable and standalone are the things that make it expensive (i.e. the rails and latch for locking into place, the IR camera, and potentially the extra buttons on the rail part used when holding it sideways), then removing them won't save much money.

 

[Triistan]

The estimated cost of the two Joy-Con is $90.
If they want to keep the total cost of Switch 2 down, it makes sense to keep them unpackaged.

Japanese teardown firm goes into greater detail on Switch pricing, sees possibility for upgraded dock

From the GoNintendo Archives

gonintendo.com

Wow, if this prices are correct Nintendo could boost switch sales with an only tablet sku @100-150$ targeting the households searching for a second switch.

 

[Darknut85]

Just a reminder we discourage @ing insiders, as they’ll share their info whenever they deem it appropriate. You can view the staff communication on this right over here. Thanks!

Thanks for the feedback! Sorry for the late reply. I wasn‘t @ing him as a insider, but rather as a YouTuber and jokingly(about people wanting a TLDR for his video few minutes after it was dropped). Of course I‘ll try to refrain from it in the future.

 

[Mango]

I legit think a switch without joycons is one of those make or break things that could destroy the potential interest of the system right out the gate. Like that's real real dumb on Nintendos part.

 

[TLZ]

I had no idea people were having Joy-Con connection problems, and I had an OG switch

Really? It's horrible. Mine's always dropping out. I just stopped using them.

 

[TLZ]

Well this should now keep me from making another video on something already found here lol.

What it do bruh?

Good to have you here Doc.

 

[NintenDuvo]

Yeah Nintendo wouldnt fly out influencers to demo the Switch 2 if it aint been announced yet, they will secretly have some actors fly out for shooting the reveal video though

 

[Meelow]

Yeah Nintendo wouldnt fly out influencers to demo the Switch 2 if it aint been announced yet, they will secretly have some actors fly out for shooting the reveal video though

Agreed, you know that would get leaked so fast.

 

[Hermii]

Lots of brand ambassadors travelling could be... A lot more than just a direct.

Would Nintendo show off the Switch 2 to a bunch of YouTubers and expect it not to leak?

Hint: no

 

[RumHamRigRunner]

Do you mean GPU limited? Because a CPU-limited game on last-gen would almost definitely be fine at 60FPS on Switch 2.

Well, either tbh. Because depending on how heavy it is for Drake’s CPU or GPU for fixed battery consumption it could allow for either a locked 30FPS or locked 60FPS. Much closer to the targets than the last-gen consoles.

Current-gen console games are already a little more consistent in terms of frame-times though there are dips in FPS for sure.

 

[Z-Z0]

"What is this? Switch Lite XL? I already have a Switch and it can dock!" - an uninformed customer seeing joycon-less Switch 2.

 

[Evil Lucario]

So what makes docks even expensive in the first place? It's not even just the Switch dock, the first-party Steam Deck dock is only $10 less than the Switch dock, so it's not purely a Nintendo tax, I wouldn't think.

 

[carbvan]

How early does Nintendo typically do previews for upcoming games? Unless they're turbo hyping Mario vs DK for some reason, the event is for Princess Peach. And that's over a month away. Seems a bit early to be but I'm uninformed about this type of thing.

 

[Hermii]

How early does Nintendo typically do previews for upcoming games? Unless they're turbo hyping Mario vs DK for some reason, the event is for Princess Peach. And that's over a month away. Seems a bit early to be but I'm uninformed about this type of thing.

Maybe it's paper Mario, and its shadow dropped in the next direct.

 

[carbvan]

Maybe it's paper Mario, and its shadow dropped in the next direct.

So close to Mario vs DK and Peach? Nah, it'd cannibalize Mario vs DK and make for some weird marketing since it's so close to Peach.

 

[Hermii]

So close to Mario vs DK and Peach? Nah, it'd cannibalize Mario vs DK and make for some weird marketing since it's so close to Peach.

Let me remind you albw and 3d world came out on the same day.

 

[carbvan]

Let me remind you albw and 3d world came out on the same day.

You think this is comparable? 2 games releasing on the same day, from 2 different franchises, onto 2 different systems? Not to mention that was a decade ago under completely different leadership.

 

[Hocot8]

Let me remind you albw and 3d world came out on the same day.

yeah....but like two different games on two different systems.

 

[majimazio]

I would be very shocked if Nintendo does a massive marketing campaign inviting influencers for Balan Wonderworld 2: Featuring Peach From the Super Mario Series. I hope it is an 8 player multiplayer Rhythm Heaven.

 

[Hermii]

You think this is comparable? 2 games releasing on the same day, from 2 different franchises, onto 2 different systems? Not to mention that was a decade ago under completely different leadership.

Paper mario and Mario vs DK are 2 different franchises. 2 different systems and a decade ago are fair points. I still dont think its outside the realm of possibility though. Its kind of weird Paper Mario didnt get a release date in the last direct, unless its a shadow drop.

yeah....but like two different games on two different systems.

Paper mario and Mario vs DK are 2 different games.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Joy-Con not going anywhere... all this discussion are based on predictions?

They got nothing else to talk about except this crap about no joycons. It’s annoying it’s being regurgitated when we know Nintendo isn’t getting rid of them man. Geez like move on from some dudes opinion.

 

[Hocot8]

They got nothing else to talk about except this crap about no joycons. It’s annoying it’s being regurgitated when we know Nintendo isn’t getting rid of them man. Geez like move on from some dudes opinion.

why move on when you can be angry?

Remember people here were mad for months over MVG doing a video on different ways Nintendo can do BC....

 

[goombaicebro]

The joycon concept is great, but the "Joy-Con" branding is infamous due to the Drift lawsuit. if they are going to redesign the joycon to fit the 8" screen, they should call it "Controller".

customer: i'm buying a replacement nintendo controller

seller: which nintendo controller are you looking for?

customer: nintendo controller

seller: were you thinking about a joy con or a pro controller?

customer: the controller's called nintendo controller

seller:

 

[YolkFolk]

The joycon concept is great, but the "Joy-Con" branding is infamous due to the Drift lawsuit. if they are going to redesign the joycon to fit the 8" screen, they should call it "Controller".

You invented the Wii U name didn’t you?

 

[ExoticSpice]

Regarding the removal of Joy-Con I don't think the idea is going away but the name of the controllers might change. If they keep the Switch branding, they keep removable Joy-Cons.

Otherwise, Nintendo cannot call this device the Switch 2. Yes, I know Switch Lite exists but that is a lesser tier. Switch 2 will be the highest so therefore should support all modes.

 

[goombaicebro]

You invented the Wii U name didn’t you?

 

[carbvan]

Maybe Nintendo has flown out all the ambassadors to show them the Switch 2 and all the madmen who predicted the Switch 2 reveal at the Super Bowl were right.

 

[BingBong43]

What if the Switch 2 isn't called a Switch and is actually closer to a Steam Deck LCD form factor?

What if it comes with a dock that has a simple built-in UI and internet connectivity such that both the new device and OG Switches could connect to it? It would be both the next generation and an expansion of the OG Switch line. Makes the transition "between" generations a thing of the past, exactly like Nintendo has been telling us to expect, while keeping the OG Switch alive for a few more years to come as the entry point.

It would also be an easier sell for folks invested in joy-con peripherals because that entire ecosystem would fold right into the new device the same way Wii-motes worked for Wii U.

I had a really weird dream last night. In that dream, people in this thread were suggesting that they weld the joy-cons to the device so that you can't remove them, and then subsequently they suggested that Nintendo not ship another controller with the system! Crazy stuff, I mean, we are talking about the Switch, here, right? Its USP is being able to play in handheld AND docked mode, not just play in handheld and then dock it and have it look pretty without a way to control it. Locking one of the two main modes of play behind a (rather expensive, I might add) purchase of an additional controller is an absolute non-starter.

I doubt I was the first, but when I brought this up back in December it was alongside a hypothetical asking if Nintendo could somehow invent a reverse Wii U Gamepad situation where a small dock/dongle/wired box could serve as a wireless casting device and you could play games "docked" without the dock.

Folks likely smarter than me shot the idea down. But it is fun to think about and I feel like if they did to the unified form factor they would have to at least have some new docking experience.

I also could see Nintendo just flatly keeping the Switch around as the "play with others, right out of the box" system while the new device is tailored toward getting as much as a 1 to 1 attachment rate as possible. Folks have already presumed that the new device will get all of Nintendo's newest AAA titles while the Switch will continue to get everything else.

 

[Zumikoi]

Maybe Nintendo has flown out all the ambassadors to show them the Switch 2 and all the madmen who predicted the Switch 2 reveal at the Super Bowl were right.

Super Bowl: trailer reveal
Next week: Partner showcase
March: Presentation Sw2

This is in my head and no one can change my mind

 

[korok]

My favorite way to play the Switch is with separated joycons one in each hand lying around bed or the sofa, so if the Switch 2 does not feature Joycons then that is just an instantly weaker product in my book.

Right??It is a super comfortable way to play. It is the way I usually play too whenever I'm not doing something that requires high level skill.

 

[goombaicebro]

Super Bowl: trailer reveal
Next week: Partner showcase
March: Presentation Sw2

This is in my head and no one can change my mind

the greatest console hype journey of all time

 

[Horror Kid]

Right??It is a super comfortable way to play. It is the way I usually play too whenever I'm not doing something that requires high level skill.

I loved that with the Wii (the short cord between Nunchuck and Wiimote was annoying at times but otherwise it was very comfortable ).

I would prefer a Switch 2 without Joycons though. Let me use those of the Switch 1 and also make optional new versions that are bigger and more comfortable in your hand and that allow to emulate Wii games properly.

I know that making accessories optional often is a recipe for failure...
But personally I would prefer this.

 

[navierStokes]

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Spoiler: Another one of those handhelds

Seems like AYANEO Pocket S (equipped with a Snapdragon G3x Gen 2) will also have a Vapour Chamber thermal + fan solution for sustained 15W performance. VC cooling allows you to get a slim device and it's primarily used in smartphones, but thereafter only in bigger (commercial) devices/components, such as laptops, series X and certain GPUs.
So the handheld market had 0 products using that thermal solution, until the Slide and now this device by AYANEO.

Snapdragon G3x Gen 2 has; 8 "Kryo Prime Ultra" cores @ 3.36 GHz (Cortex-X3), Adreno A32 @ 1GHz (souped up Adreno 740).
It's like a big Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, the previous iteration of this SoC landed in the Razer Edge (MSRP $399 with 6GB LPDDR5 and 128GB UFS 3.1 storage). No word on pricing yet, but I presume the device above will be in the premium ($600 USD) range given the proposed build quality and selection of components.

AYANEO Pocket S - AYANEO

Founded in 2020, AYANEO is a revolutionary brand for portable gaming consoles. Our team consists of passionate gamers and tech-savvy experts who want to provide gamers with the most advanced and up-to-date gaming experiences. We’ve developed a line of powerful and portable gaming handhelds, with...

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Moreover, there's a wide supply of hall-effect joysticks in varying sizes and thicknesses looking at all these different handhelds, I don't presume that the Switch 2 will have the good ol potentiometer solution for its joysticks.

 

[indospot]

Right??It is a super comfortable way to play. It is the way I usually play too whenever I'm not doing something that requires high level skill.

I will say I would do this a lot more if the right Joy-Con's range wasn't trash. I can barely play in my living room in front of my TV without it missing an input or being massively delayed.

 

[Melpomene]

I strongly dislike the Joy-Cons. They feel far too cheap and tiny for what they are (much less for their replacement cost). If they return with the next console, I’d really want to see them made sturdier and more comfortable. Maybe strip some of the useless features to keep the price from ballooning even more.

 

[Lelouch0612]

Nintendo always innovates with its controllers, that's how you end up with unique experiences.

Let them go nuts with it. As long as there is multiplayer out of the box, it should still be true to the Switch's spirit.

 

[dillyro]

I would prefer a Switch 2 without Joycons though. Let me use those of the Switch 1 and also make optional new versions that are bigger and more comfortable in your hand and that allow to emulate Wii games properly.

Nintendo always innovates with its controllers, that's how you end up with unique experiences.

Let them go nuts with it. As long as there is multiplayer out of the box, it should still be true to the Switch's spirit.

I'm interested in seeing what they come up with this time. I don't mind the joycons but I see room for improvement. I said it somewhere on this forum recently (but i love to reuse and recycle) that I'd like to keep using my joycons on the next device, even if just wirelessly. I have a 3rd party charger and might even splurge on a charging grip if it means more use out of my current peripherals.

I get a little lost when people refer to joycons and whether they mean the item as we know it, or as the concept of detachable controller. I hope the idea stays, along with the oled kickstand, for more tabletop goodness

 

[indospot]

I get a little lost when people refer to joycons and whether they mean the item as we know it, or as the concept of detachable controller. I hope the idea stays, along with the oled kickstand, for more tabletop goodness

Yeah, the OLED kickstand has to be a mainstay now, there's no way we can go back to the OG's approach. It's so solid.

 

[NintendoMariah]

At this point I don’t care what hardware they release just give me a whole new era of Nintendo games

 

[dsm]

My 4 joycons, besides all drifting, slide out from the tablet without pushing the buttons on the back if just a little pressure is put on the bottom. And it happens all the time in handheld mode making them always disconnect in the most inconvenient times. I won't be that sad if Nintendo ditches the joycons honestly.

 

[goombaicebro]

At this point I don’t care what hardware they release just give me a whole new era of Nintendo games

rosalina and the comet observatory in 4k hdr with ray tracing

 

[eye0h]

Nate says Switch 2 ready for March reveal (Timestamp is there but if it doesn't work it's 40:30)

He reiterates the no joycon thing. (I'm terrified) (I don't really care that much) (I wonder what the gimmick would be?)

 

[NineTailSage]

Anecdata: I've never even seen a Pro Controller in real life. I play handheld 80% of the time. 5% of the time I'm playing on the TV with the included whatsit that lets you slide in the Joy-Con, and the remaining 15% of the time I'm playing Mario Kart with my partner, and we're both using sideways Joy-Con.

I play Mario Kart semi regularly with a medium sized group of Switch owners who are friends for non-gaming related reasons. I am the only majority handheld player. None of them use Pro Controllers. I am aware of one friend who owns one... but doesn't own a Switch! He only uses the Pro Controller when going to other people's houses to play Mario Kart!

There are something like 50 million people for whom the Switch is their only console. These folks aren't buying Pro Controllers.


I think the scenario described is that it is a handheld, just like Steam Deck, but that docking would require a separate controller.

...or docking would require a device that plays on the TV via streaming, but I am highly dubious of that for myriad reasons that have nothing to do with streaming itself



Agreed. Though I think Furukawa's comment was somewhat in the context of "getting households to buy multiple devices as a driver of hardware sales". Though I think having Switch support adequate multiplayer out of the box is what leads to buying the sorts of games that make you think man, I should get a second device.


I am a Joy-Con hater, and I play in handheld mode most of the time. I think they're neat little devices, but playing the steam deck, I'd much rather just have a single body, with no rail that can fail, or wiggle.

But I'm also leaving tomorrow on an international flight, and as much as I'd love to finally dig into Death Stranding, I'm taking the much smaller, easier to pack Switch (where the detachable Joy-Cons are a huge win) and Skyrim, which I only just started playing (thank you for your comments).

Or we could just directly compare them on a benchmark. Looks like that gap doesn't scale all the way to those two core configurations

Core	Geekbench 6 Single Core	Geekbench 6 Multicore
8x A78AE @ 2.19Ghz	1001	5449
8x Zen 2 @ 3.6Ghz	1395	8240
Percent difference	71.8%	66.1%

Note: The AE cores definitely underperform the C core (the one in T239) when it comes to multicore. I expect the CPU to clock beneath this (personal estimate is closer to 2Ghz, maybe as low as 1.75?), but their isn't anything to sneeze at when it comes to 75% of a PS5's CPU crammed into a tablet.

Thanks for the clarification, even 75% of PS5's CPU would be closer than what was originally expected in these early speculation talks.
Nintendo hasn't enjoyed a jump in performance this large both in CPU and GPU since the GameCube days.

 

[Zedark]

Nate says Switch 2 ready for March reveal (Timestamp is there but if it doesn't work it's 40:30)

Thanks for linking this one. I was wondering whether Nate's comments in his own podcasts was just "I heard March back then, and I process of elimination I deduce now that it must be a reveal." But it sounds like the comments were reiterated, which is good to hear.

 

[eye0h]

If this really is a partner direct coming up and Nintendo really are announcing the Switch 2 in March, after the middle of March we might never see a first party trailer running on old hardware lol. They can advertise these beautiful cross gen games even if they look a little muddy on the OG Switch.

Wouldn't that be nice (despite not being entirely consumer friendly).

 

[korok]

Nate says Switch 2 ready for March reveal (Timestamp is there but if it doesn't work it's 40:30)

Thanks. He was more specific in this one and it seems that the March reveal is more than just speculation merged with some information. It is truly the endgame, friends.

 

[Bonejack]

Can't watch that right now, but is that podcast talking about Nates podcast, or is Nate actually a guest in that specific podcast episode?

Also, for me as a non-native english speaker, reveals means more than announcement. It means something's being shown to me.

 

[korok]

Can't watch that right now, but is that podcast talking about Nates podcast, or is Nate actually a guest in that specific podcast episode?

Also, for me as a non-native english speaker, reveals means more than announcement. It means something's being shown to me.

Nate is a guest in the podcast and he says that the March reveal is not just based on what he heard back in August, but a information that has resurged in the past weeks.