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RumHamRigRunner said:
I think the Joy-Cons for the Switch 2 could definitely use some haptic feedback like DualSense or iPhone.
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Concernt said:
What... They already use the same kind of haptics.
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Concert is correct, they use the same type of haptics, but both the DualSense and the iPhone also have a speaker. Speakers can be used to enhance haptics, and at least the DualSense does this - speakers have a range of frequencies that overlay the frequencies the linear actuator provides, and you can use both to really fine tune the haptics.

Considering Nintendo is sneaking in HD Rumble music into games (Mario Wonder) I'm putting my dollars down on Joy-Con speakers. Especially if they make the Joy-Cons larger
 
That "no detachable controllers" talk got me thinking of, instead of switching controllers, you switched SCREENS. It would be more expensive? Yes. But it would also allow further customization.

The DS setup could serve either for dual-screen gameplay if the game supports it, or multi-tasking, meanwhile ultrawide support could be added through the API or Game Engine.

As an effort to not lose much money with it, Nintendo could sell it as an on-demand product through online stores, sell X units, make X units. The console comes with the default 8-inch widescreen one.

 
justanotherperson said:
That "no detachable controllers" talk got me thinking of, instead of switching controllers, you switched SCREENS. It would be more expensive? Yes. But it would also allow further customization.

The DS setup could serve either for dual-screen gameplay if the game supports it, or multi-tasking, meanwhile ultrawide support could be added through the API or Game Engine.

As an effort to not lose much money with it, Nintendo could sell it as an on-demand product through online stores, sell X units, make X units. The console comes with the default 8-inch widescreen one.

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I'm confused. how is this not detachable controllers?
 
Raccoon said:
wait, why would such a dramatic departure use the same dock??
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How much of the dock would need to be changed to fully realize the power inside a Switch 2?

I see the OLED Dock as a base for the new standard; HDMI 2.0, ethernet port, couple USB ports. If the new Dock jumps to HDMI 2.1 then sure, pair a new dock with every console, but I don't think the USB-C speeds can improve anymore than what the standards are already capable of, not unless the Switch 2 now has two USB ports at the bottom for a specialized dock to increase the data transfer speeds.

HDMI 2.0 vs 2.1: Transfer speeds jump from 18GB/s to 48GB/s. It's the difference between 4K60 vs 4K120. But, USB-C 3.2 caps at 20GB/s.

I believe Switch docks will simply be agnostic to whatever Switch is plopped inside; they'll just limit the image resolution on a Switch 2 to 1080p if it's a V1 dock. Likewise, if and when streaming apps do come to Switch consoles, a Switch 1 could theoretically stream in 4K if it's plugged into an OLED/Switch 2 Dock because the content is streamed from a cloud server (which might also allow the cloud gaming apps to also stream 4K content through the base Switch, hypothetically of course).
 
bmfrosty said:
I've been under the impression that one 128 bit ram module was the same as two 64 bit ones, but not my area of expertise. This is all stuff about OG DRAM, so maybe something is different with the newer tech.
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Only in terms of theoretical performance with respect to the RAM bus width (i.e. the theoretical max RAM bandwidth).

When the actual performance is concerned, dual-channel RAM generally performs better than single-channel RAM. (This is applicable to all RAM types, not just LPDDR modules.)
 
The podcast was another solid discussion but ultimately doesn't bring anything new to the table, other than Nate declaring that the rumblings surround March is for the reveal, and he believes it will happen before GDC. They also both agreed that information for SNG is not leaking in the way it did leading up to the Switch reveal. It still feels odd for John to believe the increased screen size is out of necessity due to a big SOC. If battery life is important, and it is, then squaring that with a 12SM 8nm chip doesn't line up.

In the end I am really.....really really hoping the reveal does happen in March prior to GDC. The cycle was fun for a while, but its honestly a drag now. Ready to discuss a product we have actually seen.
 
Langstonboy said:
Hdr will probably be the biggest upgrade with these games. Why make it so the majority of people can’t enjoy it without spending even more, also every TV sold today that isn’t crap, is a 4K TV.
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I'm saying the cost will still be the same regardless; either it's $450 for everything or $390 for a slimmed down bundle and you buy the $60 dock later.

Yes, most decent and even budget TVs are sold in 4K with HDR, but I'd bet a dollar there are still a vast number of existing 1080p panels sold within the last five or even seven years that aren't exactly looking to upgrade just yet if they're still working fine
 
I cant see happening the next General direct in May/June talking about both Switches. Imagine emphasising which game comes out for Switch OG, which game comes out for both or which game is exclusive to the Super Switch.

Lol
 
ShaunSwitch said:
I take the no joycon discourse and counter it with my own rumour.

Switch 2 ships with joycons and new mandatory toecons. These are Bluetooth, motion sensing, pressure sensitive sandals. The reveal features toecons in various stylish designs and the roof party scene is replaced with a beach party.

Second hand market gonna be booming for these.

Can't wait for Nintendo prime to do a video on these.
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Chill, Tarantino.
 
will need a better translation but this part was interesting

'Changing the generation of platforms is not an easy task. A successful platform
I have experienced many difficult times after the form, so I have no idea that the current situation is rock solid.'

maybe it's caution but this sort of plays into what was said yesterday re being defensive/scared. there's a difference between hubris & being confident which they certainly should be after the success of the Switch. guess we'll see soon enough...
 
I'd be fairly stunned if Nintendo dropped the joycon concept completely. They were integral to the whole Switch experience. And actually having a bigger console = bigger Joycons would be great, because currently they're just too small and fiddly for even casual play.

If Nintendo do ditch them, then they must have data that shows that people really don't use them on their own.
 
Dakhil said:
Only in terms of theoretical performance with respect to the RAM bus width (i.e. the theoretical max RAM bandwidth).

When the actual performance is concerned, dual-channel RAM generally performs better than single-channel RAM. (This is applicable to all RAM types, not just LPDDR modules.)
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Yes. I think we're talking past each other. Two 208 pin dimms would be the same as a single (theoretical) 416 pin dimm. Same number of traces, same amount of silicon for either option.

EDIT: Parts availability may be the issue. I don't know if single-chip 128-bit parts exist.
 
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Raccoon said:
I'm confused. how is this not detachable controllers?
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The console and the controller are one single object, like the Steam Deck, but the screen is detachable and it would be plugged in like how you dock the Switch. And the console's body can be extended to accomodate a wider screen through a slidable piece of plastic underneath it's front surface.
 
Brofield said:
I'm saying the cost will still be the same regardless; either it's $450 for everything or $390 for a slimmed down bundle and you buy the $60 dock later.

Yes, most decent and even budget TVs are sold in 4K with HDR, but I'd bet a dollar there are still a vast number of existing 1080p panels sold within the last five or even seven years that aren't exactly looking to upgrade just yet if they're still working fine
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How many of those people would have the money and/or care about buying a 400$ console, most of the people who don’t have a single 4K HDR screen in there home probably don’t care about a better switch. The current switch can play the kids Mario’s and the parents ring fit just fine, why buy another? Maybe a few million, but is it really worth forcing everyone to have a degraded experience out the box to save the 25-30$ on the dock? To lock behind the 2 most hyped features of this console behind an overpriced accessory, especially for the people who are buying year one, introduce striped down versions later, like the 2ds and switch lite.
 
ShaunSwitch said:
I take the no joycon discourse and counter it with my own rumour.

Switch 2 ships with joycons and new mandatory toecons. These are Bluetooth, motion sensing, pressure sensitive sandals. The reveal features toecons in various stylish designs and the roof party scene is replaced with a beach party.

Second hand market gonna be booming for these.

Can't wait for Nintendo prime to do a video on these.
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@ILikeFeet This is the console for you!
 
Galgavias said:
I'd be fairly stunned if Nintendo dropped the joycon concept completely. They were integral to the whole Switch experience. And actually having a bigger console = bigger Joycons would be great, because currently they're just too small and fiddly for even casual play.

If Nintendo do ditch them, then they must have data that shows that people really don't use them on their own.
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I mean, no such data exists, because look, Ring Fit Adventure sold over 15 million copies and it doesn't come with a controller! It's not even just abandoning the concept of the Switch -- although that's enough on its own -- it's abandoning the entire concept of Nintendo controllers going back to 2006.
 
ShaunSwitch said:
I take the no joycon discourse and counter it with my own rumour.

Switch 2 ships with joycons and new mandatory toecons. These are Bluetooth, motion sensing, pressure sensitive sandals. The reveal features toecons in various stylish designs and the roof party scene is replaced with a beach party.

Second hand market gonna be booming for these.

Can't wait for Nintendo prime to do a video on these.
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This sounds like the perfect peripheral for @ILikeFeet

Edit: Ah, beaten to it!
 
the no joycon thing is interesting enough but i feel like it's a total non-starter after the information (data) posted in this thread.
 
LiC said:
I mean, no such data exists, because look, Ring Fit Adventure sold over 15 million copies and it doesn't come with a controller! It's not even just abandoning the concept of the Switch -- although that's enough on its own -- it's abandoning the entire concept of Nintendo controllers going back to 2006.
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maybe they could sell wii remote esque controllers separately?
 
oldpuck said:
Concert is correct, they use the same type of haptics, but both the DualSense and the iPhone also have a speaker. Speakers can be used to enhance haptics, and at least the DualSense does this - speakers have a range of frequencies that overlay the frequencies the linear actuator provides, and you can use both to really fine tune the haptics.

Considering Nintendo is sneaking in HD Rumble music into games (Mario Wonder) I'm putting my dollars down on Joy-Con speakers. Especially if they make the Joy-Cons larger
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I’d hope that they are larger or at least taller if the console itself has an 8-inch display. They could add speakers, maybe some type of touchpad/touchpads like the Steam Deck or Legion Go.
 
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Langstonboy said:
How many of those people would have the money and/or care about buying a 400$ console, most of the people who don’t have a single 4K HDR screen in there home probably don’t care about a better switch. The current switch can play the kids Mario’s and the parents ring fit just fine, why buy another? Maybe a few million, but is it really worth forcing everyone to have a degraded experience out the box to save the 25-30$ on the dock? To lock behind the 2 most hyped features of this console behind an overpriced accessory, especially for the people who are buying year one, introduce striped down versions later, like the 2ds and switch lite.
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That's just it though, the dock is more than $30. I bought a refurbished OLED dock off Nintendo's site last year for $65CAD (otherwise $90CAD brand new) with full belief that I can expect it to be used with the new Switch. For me, if presented the option, I would opt for a new Switch without a Dock just so I could save that money because I only have one TV in my condo. Hell, with four pairs of Joy-Cons and two pro controllers, I'd even consider a controllerless option if there isn't any new tech added to the joycons besides Hall Effect sticks.

For others who would want the new dock (which, again, I fully believe will just be a repurposed OLED dock), there will be the other SKU bundle that has the dock, power adapter, HDMI cable, fancy new controller, etc. Options for everyone, it's just reduced cost bundles because there's less included

$450USD is $600CAD, before tax. That would include everything. If I can buy just the tablet because I already have the needed accessories and don't need extra wasteful plastic and save $100 in the process? Baller
 
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I wonder if BC with Switch 1 pro controllers would help bring costs down.

I like the idea of the 2 SKUs being one handheld only and one with Dock and Controller.
 
A single device like the Steam Deck or ROG Ally with no Joy-Cons make a lot of sense. It could be far more ergonomic and they would have more room within the console for internal componentry.

If that really is what they're going with, I can see Nintendo not including a dock or controller in the box. John mentioned today that a controller would drive up the price, which is true - hence why they wouldn't do it. Isn't it around 50% of Switch owners globally that only use the device as a handheld, while in some countries that number is above 80%?

With that realization, and to keep costs down, they may just sell the dock and controller separately for those who want to use the Switch 2 as a home console. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
I don’t agree with the discourse about the console having no detachable controllers.

- They’re a huge part of the Switch brand - from the logo to the now iconic ‘click’ sound that proceeds any Switch advert.

- You’ll need a controller for handheld and docked play.

- They would allow for compatibility with Wii, Wii U and Switch titles.

- John referenced not using them in a DF video but I think that’s his own hardcore gamer bubble. They’re extremely popular for multiplayer games. I’ve used them lots when friends have been round and we need 4 controllers for games like Mario Kart, Turtles and Streets of Rage. I don’t think I’m alone in this regard and think families love having 2 player right out of the box.

- Their dynamic form allows them to be used for various gameplay styles which wouldn’t be possible with a standard controller. I think Nintendo likes having this versatility.

I could be wrong but I think these are strong reasons not to drop them.
 
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Raccoon said:
maybe they could sell wii remote esque controllers separately?
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Shit, maybe if they are getting rid of 'detachable Joy-Cons', maybe instead of putting a pro style controller in the box (which come on now, it likely wouldn't match the current Pro Controller quality, so they can still milk profits off the new version of that) they just put in 2 brand new 'always-detached Joy-Cons' lol

(these hypothetical new Joy-cons could still be designed to connect together to form a pro style controller, even without the need for a plastic frame)
 
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today has solidified my guess that the chip nvidia delivered really didn't work for the current form factor so they made every design decision to accommodate its size
 
Teal'c said:
Highlights from Nate's latest broadcast?
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It helps out youtube creators when you watch their content in full. As well as if you let the ads go if you dont have premium. Just a consideration. Not preaching or telling you what to do.
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I don't have any strong thoughts on Nate's podcast. Its largely what we've already come to expect but it was a great discussion regardless. I've been doing some community digging with other wall street types. I want to know if the geopolitical situation is affecting Nintendo's decision making and asking around if they have heard anything (amongst other things). So far the only striking thing I've heard is a large percentage withdrawing Nintendo stock gains or rolling back. (and this is reflected in the Stock movements mostly outside of the report release day)
 
Nate discussed the possibility of a return to dualscreen gaming with a second screen packed together with switch 2, and while the possibility of this happening is pretty low I really want this badly now

Edit: Everyone, Listen to Nates Podcast! Its really great!
 
Serif said:
Get rid of the screen too
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lmao it has integrated controls but no screen, you just plug in an hdmi port in and use it like a plug and play

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Bonejack said:
GDC is end of March.

How about an early March reveal, huh?
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18-22 march is still a bit on the mid march side (for me at least). Funny how it falls on my B-day, tho.

With such an event, I expect an early march reveal as well. Hell, I would put a pin on thursday March 7th for a reveal trailer. (yes, that's exactly 1 month), so they can make prep for 2 weeks before GDC.
 
Concernt said:
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Yeah, I don't know where they came up with joy cons not being successful, unless they mean the drifting issues. Which is just another indicator of how successful they were, they managed to be super popular and had tons of different colors and special editions even being kind of a lottery ticket with several ongoing lawsuits throughout the generation.
 
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i would not take Furukawa statement by heart, Nintendo has precedent of misleading us, and two weeks later, here our next-gen console,(point to DS Lite)
 
Raccoon said:
today has solidified my guess that the chip nvidia delivered really didn't work for the current form factor so they made every design decision to accommodate its size
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No it hasn't. Its just as much a guess as it was yesterday.

And it's a really silly one at that, I don't care if Nate or John Linneman said it. That's not how custom hardware works. You design a chip to accommodate for the device you are making, not the other way around.
 
Giancarlo said:
Monster Hunter Wild on Switch sucessor?
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Tweet is about Jet Set Radio not MH.

But if I were Nintendo I’d get the check book and pay whatever is needed to get MH Wild on my new platform the second it comes out. Don’t think there would be a better game to have to kickstart sales in Japan and Worldwide at the same time.
 
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