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Shubshub said:
Personally I think Nintendo will end up waiting until February, Maybe do Switch 2 reveal in early February
Then the Pokemon Presents for Pokemon Day will carry on as usual, Suspiciously everything will be for Switch 1 (And surprisingly no Mainline title this time, Its all spinoffs) and then right at the end they will mention that all these titles will have enhanced graphics/features on Switch 2, Then right at the end they will tease a Holiday 2025 Project for Switch 2 exclusively
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I think we'll get a 3D Mario as an exclusive launch title. It's been long enough certainly.

I think we'll get two years where most Nintendo published games are cross generation before things start leaning heavily towards Switch 2.
 
bmfrosty said:
I think we'll get a 3D Mario as an exclusive launch title. It's been long enough certainly.

I think we'll get two years where most Nintendo published games are cross generation before things start leaning heavily towards Switch 2.
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Is there reason to believe they are leaning towards doing a cross gen transitional period this time around?
They historically dont really do that, Generally its just a last line of stragglers or a few remakes coming exclusively to the previous system, While anything new will be exclusive to the new system

At most I am expecting Metroid Prime 4 to be the only cross-gen game in the same way that BOTW was for Wii U and Switch
 
Shubshub said:
Is there reason to believe they are leaning towards doing a cross gen transitional period this time around?
They historically dont really do that, Generally its just a last line of stragglers or a few remakes coming exclusively to the previous system, While anything new will be exclusive to the new system

At most I am expecting Metroid Prime 4 to be the only cross-gen game in the same way that BOTW was for Wii U and Switch
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They have a large and active Switch userbase. They sell software where they have active users.

Let's say that three early titles are Super Mario Odyssey 2, Mario Kart 10, and Animal Crossing: Beyond the Horizon. Those are all big evergreen titles that will sell for years to come. Those are Switch 2 exclusives, they'll sell amazing numbers no matter what, and they will be reasons to buy a Switch 2. All the titles that are at the 1-3 million seller level like Bayonetta 4, or Astral Chain 2, or Miitopia 2 aren't going to sell Switch 2 units. May as well allow them to sell the units they're going to sell, no matter what.

Any game that releases by Nintendo after Switch 2 launches, should definitely be better on Switch 2 in some way - whether that's LOD or resolution or something more substantial, but they make money buy selling software, and until they have a substantial userbase for Switch 2, they should be selling where they have the active users. If there are system seller titles on Switch 2 and every games is better in some way on Switch 2, they'll sell all the units that they produce anyway.
 
Shubshub said:
Is there reason to believe they are leaning towards doing a cross gen transitional period this time around?
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Yes!
They historically DO do this.

More importantly this time, they've been telling their own investors they want a smooth transition, and we have evidence from datamines and the functions of the OS that they will continue to use this same OS across the next generation, with it being prepared with support for higher resolutions and the infrastructure for, possibly next gen patches, possibly smart delivery type downloads.
 
bmfrosty said:
They have a large and active Switch userbase. They sell software where they have active users.

Let's say that three early titles are Super Mario Odyssey 2, Mario Kart 10, and Animal Crossing: Beyond the Horizon. Those are all big evergreen titles that will sell for years to come. Those are Switch 2 exclusives, they'll sell amazing numbers no matter what, and they will be reasons to buy a Switch 2. All the titles that are at the 1-3 million seller level like Bayonetta 4, or Astral Chain 2, or Miitopia 2 aren't going to sell Switch 2 units. May as well allow them to sell the units they're going to sell, no matter what.

Any game that releases by Nintendo after Switch 2 launches, should definitely be better on Switch 2 in some way - whether that's LOD or resolution or something more substantial, but they make money buy selling software, and until they have a substantial userbase for Switch 2, they should be selling where they have the active users. If there are system seller titles on Switch 2 and every games is better in some way on Switch 2, they'll sell all the units that they produce anyway.
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I suppose that does give some credence to the idea, How much of a cross-gen transitional period was there between DS and 3DS Games? How many games came to DS that also came to 3DS (Yes I know you can play DS games on 3DS but I mean proper 3DS Releases) although I suppose thats not as viable considering differing screen shapes

I feel like Bayonetta and Astral Chains can definitely be system sellers though, Since they're exclusive to Nintendo where they never used to be (Minus Astral Chains which is Switch exclusive always)

Concernt said:
Yes!
They historically DO do this.

More importantly this time, they've been telling their own investors they want a smooth transition, and we have evidence from datamines and the functions of the OS that they will continue to use this same OS across the next generation, with it being prepared with support for higher resolutions and the infrastructure for, possibly next gen patches, possibly smart delivery type downloads.
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When have they done this? I'm talking specifically games that come to both platforms, Not just games that only come to the previous platform and are playable through Backwards Compatibility

Also the fact of using the same OS between generations is not indicative of this at all, Considering its not as simple as just slapping a Switch game onto Switch 2 as ARM Architectures differ between generations (Although NVIDIA could be working closely with Nintendo to make this as simple of a process as possible)
 
bmfrosty said:
Damn happy that that didn't come to pass.

Once a company is on a technological path, especially for one with as small of a hardware engineering department as Nintendo, it's hard to change directions.
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With how well regarded you are here I just want to say I greatly appreciate you taking the time to offer your clarification and insight on the INDY.

The only info I had to go on was the YouTube link that was posted here.

It’s funny because right around when the INDY rumors were first bubbling up in those days is right about when life and college took me away from having a pulse on the latest Nintendo gossip. I remember that pic of the oval device with joysticks in the screen circulating in the lead up to the NX announcement.

I was a member of the Nintendo Nsider forums of yore and found this place maybe a month ago. It makes me so nostalgic and happy and I’m so grateful to have a place that isn’t Reddit to speculate about and discuss Nintendo. :)
 
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Pacobob said:
What do you think ?


(Edit:Sorry if this has already been discussed 😅)
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My interpretation/assumption/guess has always been that Nintendo is shifting towards Digital Switch 1 games anyway (as also seen with the Voucher stuff and "buy digital now physical later" thing they did with MPR and Pikmin 1+2) because there will probably be at least an SKU for Switch 2 that is unable to play Switch 1 cartridges with maybe also a more expensive SKU that plays Switch 1 carts.
 
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Shubshub said:
I suppose that does give some credence to the idea, How much of a cross-gen transitional period was there between DS and 3DS Games? How many games came to DS that also came to 3DS (Yes I know you can play DS games on 3DS but I mean proper 3DS Releases) although I suppose thats not as viable considering differing screen shapes

I feel like Bayonetta and Astral Chains can definitely be system sellers though, Since they're exclusive to Nintendo where they never used to be (Minus Astral Chains which is Switch exclusive always)
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Honestly, I was just picking out a couple of games near the bottom of the million sellers list.

There were some pretty sizable titles coming out in 2011 and 2012. Including multiple Pokemon games - which are system sellers. 3DS launched in March 2011. Also, they now won't have the handheld/stationary divide to contend with.
 
bmfrosty said:
Honestly, I was just picking out a couple of games near the bottom of the million sellers list.

There were some pretty sizable titles coming out in 2011 and 2012. Including multiple Pokemon games - which are system sellers. 3DS launched in March 2011. Also, they now won't have the handheld/stationary divide to contend with.
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I assume you are talking about how some DS Games had 3DS Enhancements? I guess that is the loosest way to qualify as a Cross-Gen game so I'll give it to ya
 
Taiwan’s Economic Daily News has a pretty bad track record when it comes to Nintendo rumors, therefore I’m highly skeptical of their latest report on Switch 2:

It is widely rumored in the industry that Nintendo is expected to launch a new Switch this year to capture the market. In response to the pressure of global inflation and the weak yen, the price of the new product will be unprecedentedly raised. The retail price will be raised from $300 to $400, a 33% increase.
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Industry sources pointed out that during the initial launch of Switch, Nintendo’s senior management formulated a core strategy of pricing the console just above cost to quickly penetrate the market, and recovering the profits through game software. This market strategy is indeed quite successful, but as a result many suppliers are under considerable cost pressure. Now as the prices of new generation product rise, the supply chains can breathe a sigh of relief.
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In addition, since the Switch has never had a major hardware update since its launch, the market expects that Nintendo is likely to launch the new generation in the second half of this year, and some hardware specifications will be upgraded, including NVIDIA’s T239 processor, 8GB of RAM, 64GB of storage, a greatly improved battery life, and a screen refresh rate of 120Hz.
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I don’t know whom their sources are, but this read like a fan fiction.
 
You know what's funny? Although I believe in a 3D Mario and MP4K is out there. I think the upgraded Fortnite has a higher chance of coming than at least one of those two.
 
omniryu said:
You know what's funny? Although I believe in a 3D Mario and MP4K is out there. I think the upgraded Fortnite has a higher chance of coming than at least one of those two.
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Fortnite going from pure slop on the Switch to showcasing Nanite and Lumen for consoles on Switch 2 could happen and it would be very funny lol
 
Shubshub said:
I assume you are talking about how some DS Games had 3DS Enhancements? I guess that is the loosest way to qualify as a Cross-Gen game so I'll give it to ya
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They did not AFAIK. There were significant technical hurdles to that - mostly that the two systems were very different and only really had the button and screen layout in common. Every 3DS basically has a original DS built in for backwards compatibility. This is different from the Switch 2 in that it will be inherently compatible with the Switch - mostly the same instructions and the driver abstraction should handle everything else.
 
fwd-bwd said:
In addition, since the Switch has never had a major hardware update since its launch, the market expects that Nintendo is likely to launch the new generation in the second half of this year, and some hardware specifications will be upgraded, including NVIDIA’s T239 processor, 8GB of RAM, 64GB of storage, a greatly improved battery life, and a screen refresh rate of 120Hz.
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All of this seems fairly normal minus the 120Hz Refresh Rate

Although I'd prefer 12GB of RAM and more storage, Not a dealbreaker
 
bmfrosty said:
They did not AFAIK. There were significant technical hurdles to that - mostly that the two systems were very different and only really had the button and screen layout in common. Every 3DS basically has a original DS built in for backwards compatibility. This is different from the Switch 2 in that it will be inherently compatible with the Switch - mostly the same instructions and the driver abstraction should handle everything else.
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I was under the impression that ARM Architecture differs too much between generations to make it a simple "Inherent" backwards compatibility
MVGs video also dives into this a little bit where they may have to do a Hypervisor Route
 
Shubshub said:
I assume you are talking about how some DS Games had 3DS Enhancements? I guess that is the loosest way to qualify as a Cross-Gen game so I'll give it to ya
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Did any DS games have enhancements on 3DS? I can't remember any. I know Mario 64DS is a common example online but the circle pad doesn't actually change anything.
 
carbvan said:
Did any DS games have enhancements on 3DS? I can't remember any. I know Mario 64DS is a common example online but the circle pad doesn't actually change anything.
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Beyond Pokemon Black and White having Video Chat support with the Cameras (Although ultimately the DSi has that also), I dont think many others did
 
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Shubshub said:
All of this seems fairly normal minus the 120Hz Refresh Rate

Although I'd prefer 12GB of RAM and more storage, Not a dealbreaker
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In all honesty, given that modern displays can be run at fairly flexible refresh rates - especially when they're more highly integrated, I wonder if the Switch 2 may support VRR.
 
fwd-bwd said:
Taiwan’s Economic Daily News has a pretty bad track record when it comes to Nintendo rumors, therefore I’m highly skeptical of their latest report on Switch 2:

I don’t know whom their sources are, but this read like a fan fiction.
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I like how they just doubled all the specs and called it good. Clearly it will have a 12.4'' screen, too.

Shubshub said:
All of this seems fairly normal minus the 120Hz Refresh Rate

Although I'd prefer 12GB of RAM and more storage, Not a dealbreaker
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No offense, but I can never understand why there are always replies like this to baseless and fake leak posts. Who cares whether it's normal/reasonable or not? This is supposed to be a leak of factual information. Veracity, not plausibility, is at issue. Being plausible (in one's opinion) doesn't change the fact that it's bullshit, and should be identified and discarded as such.
 
Shubshub said:
I was under the impression that ARM Architecture differs too much between generations to make it a simple "Inherent" backwards compatibility
MVGs video also dives into this a little bit where they may have to do a Hypervisor Route
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Unless I'm mistaken, T239 should support both ARM32 and ARM64 like the processor in the original Switch did. If there's a software layer to get a process into 32 bit mode on a 64 bit processor and not an additional piece of hardware, I say that's probably inherent enough.

EDIT: Future ARM revisions (8.5 or higher, I think) drop support for 32 bit code. I expect that when we get a Switch 3, certain Switch 1 games will either need patches, or will no longer be compatible. AFAIK, those are mostly games that were ported from the Wii U. I don't know why I think this is. Possibly something I read somewhere.
 
fwd-bwd said:
Taiwan’s Economic Daily News has a pretty bad track record when it comes to Nintendo rumors, therefore I’m highly skeptical of their latest report on Switch 2:





I don’t know whom their sources are, but this read like a fan fiction.
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Consideration Switch 2 games will absolutely hit 100gb and higher with the likes of Call of Duty, no way Switch 2 launches with just 64gb of memory. 8gb of ram is very low as well.
 
bmfrosty said:
I think we'll get a 3D Mario as an exclusive launch title. It's been long enough certainly.

I think we'll get two years where most Nintendo published games are cross generation before things start leaning heavily towards Switch 2.
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Nice to see some folks coming to my side of the fence. Felt like I was the only one expressing this just a few dozen pages ago.
 
Kevin said:
Consideration Switch 2 games will absolutely hit 100gb and higher with the likes of Call of Duty, no way Switch 2 launches with just 64gb of memory. 8gb of ram is very low as well.
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I really don't think games will hit 100gb on Switch 2. Nintendo's got that god-tier compression algorithm they make companies use for the Switch, not to mention the games probably won't use 4K textures like on the other consoles, so the space even the biggest games take up will be much smaller imo.
 
LiC said:
I like how they just doubled all the specs and called it good. Clearly it will have a 12.4'' screen, too.


No offense, but I can never understand why there are always replies like this to baseless and fake leak posts. Who cares whether it's normal/reasonable or not? This is supposed to be a leak of factual information. Veracity, not plausibility, is at issue. Being plausible (in one's opinion) doesn't change the fact that it's bullshit, and should be identified and discarded as such.
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I was literally just commenting on the information in the quote
All of it is definitely possible although I am doubting a 120Hz screen, And nothing in the quote mentions anything about screen size

The legitimacy of the information is irrelevant
 
fwd-bwd said:
Taiwan’s Economic Daily News has a pretty bad track record when it comes to Nintendo rumors, therefore I’m highly skeptical of their latest report on Switch 2:





I don’t know whom their sources are, but this read like a fan fiction.
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That's not just a fan fiction, that's poorly written. It almost feels like an AI. "Unprecedented" rise in price being used, when OLED Model launched at $350, €365 in Europe, the equivalent of $420, meaning a $400 dollar price isn't even unprecedented?

The repeated use of "relief" for supply chains- when that's not true. Because of inflation, $400 as a launch price would put similar pressures on supplies as $300 in 2017.

That last part just has nothing to back it up. They pluck T239 from some source... Or ask a generative AI, then slap on 8GB (what?), 120hz (any reason to believe that?), markets expect the second half of this year (we have evidence to the contrary)... It's just some random numbers and statements thrown together with no justification.
 
BingBong43 said:
Nice to see some folks coming to my side of the fence. Felt like I was the only one expressing this just a few dozen pages ago.
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To be fair, bmfrosty wasn’t suggesting there should be no Switch 2 exclusives, whereas you were suggesting there should be no Switch 2 exclusives for the first 2 years. Pretty significant difference.

And I think you also said 3D Mario should not be Switch 2 exclusive either.

I might be misremembering how you presented your argument but I think his was a bit more rooted in feasibility and reality.
 
TomNookYankees said:
because there will probably be at least an SKU for Switch 2 that is unable to play Switch 1 cartridges with maybe also a more expensive SKU that plays Switch 1 carts.
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This makes absolutely no sense at all... Unless you mean a digital only Lite years down the line or something, giving some units BC and not others if they both have the same processor, both have a card slot and both have the same software.
 
Expected a worse price being MSI tbh

Videocardz has a very good specs comparison table on their website.




Its IPS, the new OLED gaming product dream from Samsung is still alive :)
 
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Man I need to find something else to read, if we don’t hear anything until March even rumors or some bit of new news it’s gonna be a long 3 months.

February 6th is the date that will tell us everything in my opinion but man I would love to hear something earlier.
 
darthdiablo said:
To be fair, bmfrosty wasn’t suggesting there should be no Switch 2 exclusives, whereas you were suggesting there should be no Switch 2 exclusives for the first 2 years. Pretty significant difference.

And I think you also said 3D Mario should not be Switch 2 exclusive either.

I might be misremembering how you presented your argument but I think his was a bit more rooted in feasibility and reality.
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I said there might be one or two.

I didn’t say no Switch 2 exclusives. I said the overwhelming majority of titles coming to Switch 2 before March 2025 will also release on Switch 1.

I said we’re more likely to get a crossgen 2.5D/3D Mario before the big debut Switch 2 Mario.

I think most of the Switch 2 “exclusives” will be games that take advantage of any potential gimmicks.

I always qualified my statements by saying there may be one or two Switch 2 exclusives but I predict less exclusives on Switch 2 in the first year than any other Nintendo before it.

I predict they’ll instead let third parties shine while also emphasizing the improvements to Switch 1 games.

I also said any Switch 2 exclusives would all likely have started out as Switch 1 games and gotten upgrades. I don’t think we’ll see a Switch 2 game that started development as a Switch 2 game until at least March 2025. Again, maaaaybe one or two but less than ever before.

Also again, as always, very happy to be wrong on this. :)

I’ll go back and read what was said by everyone when I’m not working but it sure looks to me like we have and maybe always had the same position.

So many folks kept hammering me saying I thought Nintendo would intentionally gimp Switch 2 games for Switch 1 or something else. I spent way too much energy clarifying my position to have it still be misunderstood. 🤣
 
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darthdiablo said:
To be fair, bmfrosty wasn’t suggesting there should be no Switch 2 exclusives, whereas you were suggesting there should be no Switch 2 exclusives for the first 2 years. Pretty significant difference.

And I think you also said 3D Mario should not be Switch 2 exclusive either.

I might be misremembering how you presented your argument but I think his was a bit more rooted in feasibility and reality.
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Lol. I don't always have an opinion, but once I've spent the time to think about it, I'll argue it until I'm blue in the face or someone convinces me otherwise. Or it becomes unhealthy and I have to leave the thread for a few days.
 
bmfrosty said:
Lol. I don't always have an opinion, but once I've spent the time to think about it, I'll argue it until I'm blue in the face or someone convinces me otherwise. Or it becomes unhealthy and I have to leave the thread for a few days.
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We have that in common. <3
 
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gnetc said:
Man I need to find something else to read, if we don’t hear anything until March even rumors or some bit of new news it’s gonna be a long 3 months.

February 6th is the date that will tell us everything in my opinion but man I would love to hear something earlier.
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I read books. Like 30 last year, and I'm on my 3rd one for this year. Currently reading Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Next one will either be Witch King by Martha Wells, or Iron Flame by Rebecca Yarros.
 
Concernt said:
That's not just a fan fiction, that's poorly written. It almost feels like an AI. "Unprecedented" rise in price being used, when OLED Model launched at $350, €365 in Europe, the equivalent of $420, meaning a $400 dollar price isn't even unprecedented?

The repeated use of "relief" for supply chains- when that's not true. Because of inflation, $400 as a launch price would put similar pressures on supplies as $300 in 2017.

That last part just has nothing to back it up. They pluck T239 from some source... Or ask a generative AI, then slap on 8GB (what?), 120hz (any reason to believe that?), markets expect the second half of this year (we have evidence to the contrary)... It's just some random numbers and statements thrown together with no justification.
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I very much agree. And I would assume the value chain of a sophisticated electronic product today is more complex (eg it draws inputs from more countries and industries) than in 2017.
+ The combination of "is expected" and likely in every sentence.. does not sound right and does not look too serious.
 
oldpuck said:
re: Sales. There is this narrative emerging (Because Analysts) that Nintendo might shift their Switch 2 launch strategy based on investor pressure, especially if holiday sales underperform.

No. That's something that Nintendo might do if their missed targets felt existential. "Only" selling 10 million hardware units in their 7th year, while sitting on a massive cash reserve, and having just launched the fastest selling Mario game of all time is not existential.

If they've really blown it, they might do some extra PR to smooth out the short term investor reaction. But I can't see a financial event that would make them doubt whatever plan they had 3 months ago.
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i think Nintendo kinda of expect the holiday sales to be a bit low,they must already planned Switch sucessor launch, even if 2023 holiday season was the best/worst for Switch
 
fwd-bwd said:
Taiwan’s Economic Daily News has a pretty bad track record when it comes to Nintendo rumors, therefore I’m highly skeptical of their latest report on Switch 2:





I don’t know whom their sources are, but this read like a fan fiction.
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I wouldn't call only 8GB RAM and 64GB of internal storage "fan fiction". That reads more like doom posting.

Seriously though if Nintendo were to release something with only 8GB RAM and 64GB of internal storage in 2024 and it's priced at $400 then they would be fucked. I have my doubts they would do something THAT dumb.
 
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