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DariliumA said:
Well, he’s certainly replied to other people on more recent tweets just now but he’s been awfully quiet regarding that particular tweet.
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He'd at least be a bit more obvious if he's joking about the recent Xbox or Hi-Fi Rush stuff.


Speaking of, I want to briefly discuss a specific listing.

I decided to post the classification on r/gamingleaksandrumors (don't worry @Ojoloco, i credited you for spotting it, good work man) with the hopes of finding answers about the nature of the listing, and the results I found were weird. So.. the Aussie ratings board is apparently a big victim of trolls. This usually would discredit a fair amount of the stuff about the listing...

That being said, there were reasons to believe the listing surrounding the specifics.

First off, the date of the Project 2022a listing. It was listed on the 15th of December 2022, a full month and a bit before the shadowdrop. I'll ignore the "content" on the page because that might've been listed after the fact, but that doesn't change that all of these details where a long while before the reveal of the game in the Xbox showcase. Also, the specific platforms. Arcade is the only real anomally, as Mobile could count for cloud-platforms and Xbox One could be for the Series X/S version. The PS4 and Switch versions, as reported by resetera member lolilolailo's comments about a Switch and PS5 version existing at some point.

All I'm saying is that, while it doesn't prove that a Switch port is in development, it does at least suggest that versions for other platforms existed at some point and may have been trademarked with the intention of being ported in the future if Xbox felt like it.

I do want other comments about it because I desperately want to be "hard" proven wrong, but I can't see a reason why this specific classification is either false or unreasonable to believe.
 
DariliumA said:
Well, he’s certainly replied to other people on more recent tweets just now but he’s been awfully quiet regarding that particular tweet.

Well what is going on now?
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So it was just John meming about getting a cool new gamecube memory card that games can be loaded off of?

bmfrosty said:
This may be true. I think it's someone who posts youtube videos.
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VTuber means Virtual Tuber. It means people who use face trackers to have a 3D character render (usually anime looking) show as their fake streamer face.

Not to be confused with PNG Tuber, where someone just uses a few static 2D images to create a similar, but much simpler, effect.
 
there may not be official Nintendo news regarding their next system this month.

But leaks from outlets like Digital Foundry can happen.

In fact, a HW leak must happen, people are thirsty for Switch 2 news and DF knows it.
 
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SoldierDelta said:
He'd at least be a bit more obvious if he's joking about the recent Xbox or Hi-Fi Rush stuff.


Speaking of, I want to briefly discuss a specific listing.

I decided to post the classification on r/gamingleaksandrumors (don't worry @Ojoloco, i credited you for spotting it, good work man) with the hopes of finding answers about the nature of the listing, and the results I found were weird. So.. the Aussie ratings board is apparently a big victim of trolls. This usually would discredit a fair amount of the stuff about the listing...

That being said, there were reasons to believe the listing surrounding the specifics.

First off, the date of the Project 2022a listing. It was listed on the 15th of December 2022, a full month and a bit before the shadowdrop. I'll ignore the "content" on the page because that might've been listed after the fact, but that doesn't change that all of these details where a long while before the reveal of the game in the Xbox showcase. Also, the specific platforms. Arcade is the only real anomally, as Mobile could count for cloud-platforms and Xbox One could be for the Series X/S version. The PS4 and Switch versions, as reported by resetera member lolilolailo's comments about a Switch and PS5 version existing at some point.

All I'm saying is that, while it doesn't prove that a Switch port is in development, it does at least suggest that versions for other platforms existed at some point and may have been trademarked with the intention of being ported in the future if Xbox felt like it.

I do want other comments about it because I desperately want to be "hard" proven wrong, but I can't see a reason why this specific classification is either false or unreasonable to believe.
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As far as I can tell, the rating looks real because it has all the correct data regarding the publisher, it has the necessary codes for a real rating and it is linked to the real project. Plus they use the Zenimax codename scheme
 
Eurogamer leaked the concept of the Switch (hybrid console using a Tegra X1) in July 2016, while Rich from DF leaked the specific clocks of the Tegra back in December 2016
 
Ojoloco said:
As far as I can tell, the rating looks real because it has all the correct data regarding the publisher, it has the necessary codes for a real rating and it is linked to the real project. Plus they use the Zenimax codename scheme
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Then that reaffirms my stance even further. Apparently Shinji Mikami is also listed as "author" on other classification sites also.

That settles it for me. If nothing else, Xbox either trademarked the game with the intention of porting at later dates or they had versions planned for Switch and PS5 but were canned at some point. According to lolilol, it's the latter if nothing else.
 
Ojoloco said:
As far as I can tell, the rating looks real because it has all the correct data regarding the publisher, it has the necessary codes for a real rating and it is linked to the real project. Plus they use the Zenimax codename scheme
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Everyone is referring to this thing, but I can't find a thread about it.
 
Concernt said:
Oh god is it Happening?
Fuck. Oh god. Fuck. I don't want to lose this thread.

I'm afraid of change.
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😉

AceBandage said:
Tick Tock
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On the clock
But the polka don't stop
 
seyfeselassie said:
In other news:

Possibly something to be revealed in a February Direct?
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we were literally discussing it man...

I.. i even brought up that I stole it and posted it on reddit to look for other people contradicting it...
bmfrosty said:
Now we just wait for a new thread to be posted about it here by yet someone else.
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It's not really worth thinking about much more than as already discussed. A Switch and PS5 version were developed, maybe Xbox trademarked it in a way to allow for ports later, and that's pretty much all she wrote.

Though someone 100% will.
 
Concernt said:
Oh god is it Happening?
Fuck. Oh god. Fuck. I don't want to lose this thread.

I'm afraid of change.

Promise me.

Whatever happens.

We'll see each other on the other side.
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I told y’all you’ll become institutionalized if you stayed here too long.
If you see me on the street don’t holla
 
Kise Ryota said:
Oh, you don't need to worry about this. That's another misconception that easily happens when talking about p2p netcode (and it's totally fine)

At least since the Wii U Nintendo studios don't use this client-host model. When we say p2p, it's exactly like a torrent. In splatoon or mario kart every player will send packets to every other player (and receive from them). That's why they chose to lower the tickrate by half on splatoon 2, because the bandwidth usage gets high as you are multiplying the amount of packets sent.

This is something that, every time I explain the difference, people usually need some time to grasp how can this work lol
Because it's madness... imagine MK, full lobby, and you sending 11 packets (the same packets) to 11 players, with 11 different connections between you and them (route/latency/packet loss), and then you receive the packets from all of them too. Who's to decide what happens in a dispute? No peer is chosen as the host to act like a server. It's like playing a football match but there's no referee, so players have to decide what's happening. It's a mess, honestly.

To say there's no host, in splatoon the host of the match will only be responsible for what has being inked (that's why you can have matches where ink is lagging for you, because someone has a bad connection to the host, it isn't necessarily you even, or the host himself is having issues) or he's responsible for the tower (if there's someone in there, if it's moving, how much has it moved, etc - people will notice matches where the tower is lagging too, same reason), etc. The host has absolutely nothing to do with all the interaction between players whatsoever.

On mario kart the host is the responsible for the item roulette, and that's why you have races where your roulette keep spinning but no items are drawn (you have a problem between you and the host or the host died). The host migration is always bad, doesn't matter the exact model of the p2p used. Again, all the interactions between players are totally torrent-like. That's why you can hit two players with one single green shell, and on the screen of these two players something completely different happened for them. It leads to incoherence everywhere, and I don't think we can blame who made the netcode, because how could we? When you have 12 players with 12 residential internet connections that don't have the best routes to the others peers (like we generally have good route to a server), there happens to happen much more packet loss between peers than between a peer and a server, and latency becomes a kryptonite for this p2p model in a way where it wouldn't be as bad if it was on a server model.

Well, I wrote too much lol
Forget about it
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This is extremely interesting. Does that explain why I could never enter a single match in smash bros ?
 
Kise Ryota said:
Of course, a better Wi-Fi will always be welcome, specially knowing people will play online even being far from the router :mad:
But that won't change many aspects of being p2p based.
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Well, I am hoping for a better wifi. Also, when it comes to competitive play Nintendo can help assist developers filter ethernet user vs wifi and demand them to use ethernet for certain competitive modes.

So let's say the next smash allow user to host their own tournaments. You can choose a rule of ethernet players only. So that way everyone can have a somewhat stable connections.
darthdiablo said:
However, I've also heard (IDK if true or not) that the peer-to-peer netcode can use improving too.
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A lot of people ask for rollback netcode for smash bros. Sakurai says that it doesn't really work with smash. But I think they jist need to Implement it in a competitive mode.
 
casualreader said:
This is extremely interesting. Does that explain why I could never enter a single match in smash bros ?
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Is it only on smash? If you have a CGNAT connection (where a single public IP address is shared between multiple customer's), for example, it would be a problem for every p2p game (smash, splatoon, mario kart, mario tennis, etc)

omniryu said:
A lot of people ask for rollback netcode for smash bros. Sakurai says that it doesn't really work with smash.
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Is Smash ultimate so different from smash melee that rollback can't be implemented?
 
Plum said:
The image is something Nintendo randomly posted way back during a peak Nintendo Direct hype season just before a Direct occurred. It's since come to be a shorthand for "teasing (jokingly or not) something imminent and big from Nintendo."
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ILikeFeet said:
if you don't know the flaming chibi robo thing, I pity you
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kvetcha said:
it was such a blast
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I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. plz halp
 
SoldierDelta said:
we were literally discussing it man...

I.. i even brought up that I stole it and posted it on reddit to look for other people contradicting it...

It's not really worth thinking about much more than as already discussed. A Switch and PS5 version were developed, maybe Xbox trademarked it in a way to allow for ports later, and that's pretty much all she wrote.

Though someone 100% will.
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Didn't see it, my bad
 
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Kise Ryota said:
Oh, you don't need to worry about this. That's another misconception that easily happens when talking about p2p netcode (and it's totally fine)

At least since the Wii U Nintendo studios don't use this client-host model. When we say p2p, it's exactly like a torrent. In splatoon or mario kart every player will send packets to every other player (and receive from them). That's why they chose to lower the tickrate by half on splatoon 2, because the bandwidth usage gets high as you are multiplying the amount of packets sent.

This is something that, every time I explain the difference, people usually need some time to grasp how can this work lol
Because it's madness... imagine MK, full lobby, and you sending 11 packets (the same packets) to 11 players, with 11 different connections between you and them (route/latency/packet loss), and then you receive the packets from all of them too. Who's to decide what happens in a dispute? No peer is chosen as the host to act like a server. It's like playing a football match but there's no referee, so players have to decide what's happening. It's a mess, honestly.

To say there's no host, in splatoon the host of the match will only be responsible for what has being inked (that's why you can have matches where ink is lagging for you, because someone has a bad connection to the host, it isn't necessarily you even, or the host himself is having issues) or he's responsible for the tower (if there's someone in there, if it's moving, how much has it moved, etc - people will notice matches where the tower is lagging too, same reason), etc. The host has absolutely nothing to do with all the interaction between players whatsoever.

On mario kart the host is the responsible for the item roulette, and that's why you have races where your roulette keep spinning but no items are drawn (you have a problem between you and the host or the host died). The host migration is always bad, doesn't matter the exact model of the p2p used. Again, all the interactions between players are totally torrent-like. That's why you can hit two players with one single green shell, and on the screen of these two players something completely different happened for them. It leads to incoherence everywhere, and I don't think we can blame who made the netcode, because how could we? When you have 12 players with 12 residential internet connections that don't have the best routes to the others peers (like we generally have good route to a server), there happens to happen much more packet loss between peers than between a peer and a server, and latency becomes a kryptonite for this p2p model in a way where it wouldn't be as bad if it was on a server model.

Well, I wrote too much lol
Forget about it
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Oh wow. I had no idea P2P for Nintendo games (at least those that uses that setup) worked in a torrent-like way, rather than a host with peers connected. Thanks for the explanation (don't worry it wasn't too much, it was just enough) :)
 
oldpuck said:
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. plz halp
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Several years ago, hype and speculation about a potential upcoming Nintendo Direct had hit a fever pitch and, in the midst of all the hype, the NoA Twitter account dropped this and sent the hype into the stratosphere.



People took it as a hint and, sure enough, Nintendo made an announcement not long after.

Imran on ERA said:
Fun fact: the social media person that posted the original image didn't know about the Direct and it was just in response to every reply being about Directs. I talked to them about it, they said they almost got disciplined until they proved no one told them about an upcoming Direct.
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Concernt said:
If you couldn't even connect, that sounds like a NAT or DNS problem.
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Thank you. Was very frustrating for a few days and then I gave up. (Remember reading that I was not the only one in that situation).

Kise Ryota said:
Is it only on smash? If you have a CGNAT connection (where a single public IP address is shared between multiple customer's), for example, it would be a problem for every p2p game (smash, splatoon, mario kart, mario tennis, etc)



Is Smash ultimate so different from smash melee that rollback can't be implemented?
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Yes only smash. As for the cgnat connection, I really don't know.
Thank you folks!
 
bmfrosty said:
This is where Nintendo has failed in the past. They have reacted in the past where someone could predict why they should act sooner. Wii sells just fine, why should we update it? Sold fine in 2008, then in 2009, but the bottom was falling out in 2010, and it took them to 2012 to release a successor. That was also one where they could have benefited from more hardware development teams.
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I mean the Switch 2 will release this year so they are reacting, this time it seems Nintendo will launch a successor in a good time when the hardware is declining but still not dead, the opposite of what happened during the Wii-Wii U era.
 
Gobias-Ind said:
Several years ago, hype and speculation about a potential upcoming Nintendo Direct had hit a fever pitch and, in the midst of all the hype, the NoA Twitter account dropped this and sent the hype into the stratosphere.



People took it as a hint and, sure enough, Nintendo made an announcement not long after.
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Incredible
 
Danny said:
I mean the Switch 2 will release this year so they are reacting, this time it seems Nintendo will launch a successor in a good time when the hardware is declining but still not dead, the opposite of what happened during the Wii-Wii U era.
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I agree if they launch this year it will be good.

I hope that if they fumble, they have a successor to the Switch 2 ready for 2027 or 2028. We don't need an early success and 3 dead years again.
 
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oldpuck said:
Incredible
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I think my favorite part about the whole thing is that it was a month's worth of hype and anticipation for a Direct that would be on the level of the January 2017 Switch Presentation and lay out the entire roadmap for 2018... but it ended up being a 15-minute Mini Direct that just talked about some DLC and ports (at least we got brand new Funky Mode).
 
Gobias-Ind said:
Several years ago, hype and speculation about a potential upcoming Nintendo Direct had hit a fever pitch and, in the midst of all the hype, the NoA Twitter account dropped this and sent the hype into the stratosphere.



People took it as a hint and, sure enough, Nintendo made an announcement not long after.
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The hype was so ballistic that Era admins updated the site logo on the fly to include a flaming Chibi Robo.
 
Personally I think Nintendo will end up waiting until February, Maybe do Switch 2 reveal in early February
Then the Pokemon Presents for Pokemon Day will carry on as usual, Suspiciously everything will be for Switch 1 (And surprisingly no Mainline title this time, Its all spinoffs) and then right at the end they will mention that all these titles will have enhanced graphics/features on Switch 2, Then right at the end they will tease a Holiday 2025 Project for Switch 2 exclusively

darthdiablo said:
Yes! Not sure how many here have played Chibi-Robo but I did, I enjoyed the game so much I 100%’d it.
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I love Chibi Robo on the DS, Vacuuming up various objects is kind of addictive in the same way that Katamari is addictive
 
Concernt said:
Oh god is it Happening?
Fuck. Oh god. Fuck. I don't want to lose this thread.

I'm afraid of change.

Promise me.

Whatever happens.

We'll see each other on the other side.
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We don't have to lose this thread. And even if we do, hardware Fami can always live on in a general hardware/technical discussion thread. There'll just be not a lot of things to talk about regarding future hardware for a while.
 
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