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bmfrosty said:
I'm not saying that January 1st will be reasonable. I'm saying that's when I knock out March. If you think that's when it knocks out April or May, that's reasonable too.

We're already at everyone knows it's coming. I'm thinking about when Target and Walmart know when it's coming.

So in my mind, I think a date in March becoming public knowledge in December is like the absolute latest. Honestly, if it's March, I'd expect to hear it before Thanksgiving. Probably this month though.
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Nintendo is probably launching this with 15-20 games which is hard to market in a period of four months.
 
oldpuck said:
Right now, there are at least two similar names for Switch NG - an Nvidia code name and an internal Nintendo name. The Nvidia one has floated around for sometime.
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I'm assuming that the device codename is different to the chip codename (Drake) similar to how the TX1 is Erista, but the Switch is Odin? I hope it's named after a non Marvel or DC character. I'd personally go with "Simmons", after Spawn.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
No TGS leaks is a little disappointing.

RE cheaper digital model rumors

Yes, a model with no cart slot would save Nintendo almost no money or space.

Would they still launch it at $50 less? Actually yes. Nintendo does not want you to buy physical games. Losing $50 upfront and getting 6 more digital purchases might be worth it (especially if it leads those consumers to not buy physically moving forward
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As others have said, it'll likely mean that there wasn't worthwhile information at the event. Alternative theory is that getting information from there is like draining blood from a stone.

As for the digital model, even without the rumour of such, I'm willing to believe that it could exist. As you said, the amount of money Nintendo could get from a digital version of Prime 4 over a physical one is definitely worth a small loss in profit (which they likely aren't having) in the digital console sales. Additionally, it offers motive for people to buy a marked-up version of the Switch 2 for 50 dollars more. It's a good gambit to make, even if there's discussions to be had about how "scummy" it actually is.
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Nintendo is probably launching this with 15-20 games which is hard to market in a period of four months.
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12 second/first party titles probably for the first year imo. Frankly, I've got a bit of concerns over the output of a console that's essentially gonna be marketed with 9th gen games. I know some developers who are already stretching the limits of the Switch will be fine (namely Monolith Soft and several EPD teams), but I've got some concerns with the smaller teams, third parties, and especially Game Freak.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Nintendo is probably launching this with 15-20 games which is hard to market in a period of four months.
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Can you break that down? Nintendo 1st party games tend to be under 10 at launch iirc. Usually around 5. If you want to expand that to 3rd party, that's reasonable. I'd also expect enhanced (4k/60) versions of some Switch games at launch time, but I don't think that's part of marketing plans necessarily.
 
NateDrake said:
In truth, if the info is questionable & you feel like it would add "fun" to a discussion, present it as speculation. While some clowns will cling to it and report it as a leak or rumor, most will note it being presented as speculation & treat it as such.

Otherwise, it's best to sit on the info, maybe try to verify the claims further or only discuss it amongst a small group of trusted people on the condition it isn't shared publicly.
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Care to share some of your own "speculation" Nate? I think we all agree it would be "fun!"
 
bmfrosty said:
Can you break that down? Nintendo 1st party games tend to be under 10 at launch iirc. Usually around 5. If you want to expand that to 3rd party, that's reasonable. I'd also expect enhanced (4k/60) versions of some Switch games at launch time, but I don't think that's part of marketing plans necessarily.
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They'll probably be mostly third party titles, namely companies saying "Hey, our [9th gen or impressive 8th gen game] can run on Switch!!". If I had to take a guess, practically every big third-party will be doing this. Expect stuff like Elden Ring, Cyberpunk 2077, Resident Evil 4 Remake, Red Dead Redemption 2, Persona 3 Reload, whole bunch of games like that. As for first/second-parties, I expect around... 5 maybe? It's hard to tell at this point because so many games are rumoured in various stages of development that it's practically worthless to comment about. Then there are going to be digital games and probably indies too.

Honestly, we might see upwards of 40 titles on this thing at launch (both digital and physical, indie or AAA), but I in no way am confident in that.
 
Are we expecting a fairly quick announcement to release timeline? Both Ps5 and Xbox SX were announced a about a year from release so if Nintendo were in line with those we should be getting close. Historically Nintendo has announced next generation code names pretty far in advanced but I do not think they will go this route this time, as the Switch has far more late gen momentum then any prior Nintendo hardware.
 
mjayer said:
Care to share some of your own "speculation" Nate? I think we all agree it would be "fun!"
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i know you're joking but...he already has. whether you now want to look at it in a new light is up to you.

NateDrake said:
This is my line of thought, generally speaking. I think I'd rearrange as a March announcement (but not full-on reveal), June reveal trailer (similar to Oct 2016), September some playable demos similar to January 2017 & concludes with Nov 2024 launch. These are just opinion, so don't make it a cursed YT video, ffs.
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SoldierDelta said:
They'll probably be mostly third party titles, namely companies saying "Hey, our [9th gen or impressive 8th gen game] can run on Switch!!". If I had to take a guess, practically every big third-party will be doing this. Expect stuff like Elden Ring, Cyberpunk 2077, Resident Evil 4 Remake, Red Dead Redemption 2, Persona 3 Reload, whole bunch of games like that. As for first/second-parties, I expect around... 5 maybe? It's hard to tell at this point because so many games are rumoured in various stages of development that it's practically worthless to comment about. Then there are going to be digital games and probably indies too.

Honestly, we might see upwards of 40 titles on this thing at launch (both digital and physical, indie or AAA), but I in no way am confident in that.
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Right, but what feeds into Nintendo's marketing plans? What is Nintendo going to focus on? I could see 5 launch titles, and maybe another 5 launch window titles. Everyone else markets their own in traditional venues. Maybe a bunch more trailers on Nintendo's youtube channel.
 
Soralink91 said:
Are we expecting a fairly quick announcement to release timeline? Both Ps5 and Xbox SX were announced a about a year from release so if Nintendo were in line with those we should be getting close. Historically Nintendo has announced next generation code names pretty far in advanced but I do not think they will go this route this time, as the Switch has far more late gen momentum then any prior Nintendo hardware.
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Nintendo could acknowledge the existence at any time. The actual announcement of the system to release will probably be a 6 month cycle at most.
 
bmfrosty said:
Right, but what feeds into Nintendo's marketing plans? What is Nintendo going to focus on? I could see 5 launch titles, and maybe another 5 launch window titles. Everyone else markets their own in traditional venues. Maybe a bunch more trailers on Nintendo's youtube channel.
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Hmm
Nintendo doesn't particularly care about the technical side of things outside of specifics surrounding immersion or gimmicks. You didn't really hear them talk about specs but you sure as hell heard them talk about HD Rumble.

With this, I think Nintendo will talk about how impressive the hardware on the system is via the third-parties talk again, similar to the Switch Presentation 2017 (of which I think Nintendo will have a 2024 edition of it), but keep focus on their games and gimmicks first and foremost during their parts of the show. This will probably be through whatever weird launch titles they have with their system. As for those launch title games? Probably a very gimmicky release like Nintendo Land and 1-2 Switch and a more traditional title also. Maybe also a game like Snipperclips too?

As for those "launch window" titles, I think Nintendo will want a bunch of games for launch but stick to one game per month after that (remasters, remakes and original titles). Have trailers for them at several events, sprinkle information until launch, big blow-out at a Switch Presentation event, release console ba-da-bing ba-da-boom.
 
bmfrosty said:
Can you break that down? Nintendo 1st party games tend to be under 10 at launch iirc. Usually around 5. If you want to expand that to 3rd party, that's reasonable. I'd also expect enhanced (4k/60) versions of some Switch games at launch time, but I don't think that's part of marketing plans necessarily.
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I think he is thinking of games that will have a specific Switch 2 SKU, regardless of being also available for Switch 1 that has a physical release that prices $60 or more (so not counting digital only games like most F2P, in addition not considering any patches/upgrades for current Switch 1 titles).

So an amount of 15-20 is a reasonable expectation, taking into consideration third party support will be better and there is a fairly chance of a fall launch. Switch launched with 5 retail games in west market (Zelda BOTW, Just Dance 2017, 1-2 Switch, Super Bomberman R and Skylanders: Imaginators).

Meanwhile PS5 launched with almost 20 retail games.

Nintendo will probably dropped 2 games; 3D Mario for enthusiastic audience and a more mid budget game or something like 1-2 Switch (for non-enthusiastic people).

They will likely continue their strategy of 1 game per month. Note: Pokémon or Warriors titles are published in Japan by other companies, so they never count in Nintendo strategy on publishing 1 game per month.

I’m sure every mayor publisher will try to be at day 1 launch. EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, Koei-Tecmo, SEGA, Warner Bros, Konami, Take-Two and Square-Enix should have something to offer.
 
LoneRanger said:
I’m sure every mayor publisher will try to be at day 1 launch. EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, Koei-Tecmo, SEGA, Warner Bros, Take-Two and Square-Enix should have something to offer.
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Want to highlight this for a second. I genuinely think we're in for one of the biggest launch line ups for a Nintendo system ever. The amount of games that'll release for it will be staggering.
Probably mostly 8th and 9th gen titles admittedly but the Switch 1 didn't get many, if any, so I'll take it

My biggest expectation for the "Day One Third-Party Bombshell" is Cyberpunk 2077 though. Nvidia seems to adore using that game to test new tech, so I'm expecting that to be a big title for launch.
 
SoldierDelta said:
Want to highlight this for a second. I genuinely think we're in for one of the biggest launch line ups for a Nintendo system ever. The amount of games that'll release for it will be staggering.
Probably mostly 8th and 9th gen titles admittedly but the Switch 1 didn't get many, if any, so I'll take it

My biggest expectation for the "Day One Third-Party Bombshell" is Cyberpunk 2077 though. Nvidia seems to adore using that game to test new tech, so I'm expecting that to be a big title for launch.
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I honestly expect Cyberpunk 2077 to play the same role this reveal that Skyrim did for the Switch reveal. If they can get the game running at an acceptable resolution with all the fancy ray tracing tricks not capable on a PS5 or Series X thanks to their NVidia hardware, it would be quite the marketing point.
 
Josh5890 said:
Nintendo could acknowledge the existence at any time. The actual announcement of the system to release will probably be a 6 month cycle at most.
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There is no reason to believe the announcement to release will be extremely short (6 months is literally the shortest announcement of release window to release in gaming history and you’re stating it as the max possible time)
 
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Soralink91 said:
Are we expecting a fairly quick announcement to release timeline? Both Ps5 and Xbox SX were announced a about a year from release so if Nintendo were in line with those we should be getting close. Historically Nintendo has announced next generation code names pretty far in advanced but I do not think they will go this route this time, as the Switch has far more late gen momentum then any prior Nintendo hardware.
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Yes. That's exactly why I believe a 2023 reveal is out of the question.
 
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carbvan said:
I honestly expect Cyberpunk 2077 to play the same role this reveal that Skyrim did for the Switch reveal. If they can get the game running at an acceptable resolution with all the fancy ray tracing tricks not capable on a PS5 or Series X thanks to their NVidia hardware, it would be quite the marketing point.
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Yep. I feel like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Elden Ring will both also have a similar role (if they're coming to the Switch at launch), but CP2077 is pretty much the launch title.
 
SoldierDelta said:
Want to highlight this for a second. I genuinely think we're in for one of the biggest launch line ups for a Nintendo system ever. The amount of games that'll release for it will be staggering.
Probably mostly 8th and 9th gen titles admittedly but the Switch 1 didn't get many, if any, so I'll take it

My biggest expectation for the "Day One Third-Party Bombshell" is Cyberpunk 2077 though. Nvidia seems to adore using that game to test new tech, so I'm expecting that to be a big title for launch.
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I think is a still a little hard to speculate if it will be a launch title or not but I’m sure it will be announced at first Switch 2 software presentation. If its not a launch title, it can easily be a launch window or (worst case) year 1 title.

I also think they will announce RDR2 (with a miracle Switch 1 port) at initial presentation. Maybe if we are lucky we get a dual RDR2 announcement with a GTAVI teaser (just dropping a logo and confirming is coming to Switch 2 sometime in the future).
 
ILikeFeet said:
as @Concernt mentioned a patch for S3 can tide people over. but by 2025, I think there will be a Splatoon 4. hopefully with more drastic changes
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Late, but the idea that Splatoon 4 will have

1. Massive changes for the franchise
2. Will have a three year dev cycle despite four other EPD titles having clear priority over it (3D Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing) and the clear struggle to release that the Splatoon 3 DLC is going through.

Yeah, no.
 
LoneRanger said:
I think is a still a little hard to speculate if it will be a launch title or not but I’m sure it will be announced at first Switch 2 software presentation. If its not a launch title, it cab easily be a launch window or (worst case) year 1 title.
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Knowing Nvidia, I actually expect they begged Nintendo to work with CDPR to get it Day One ready. However I agree, it's def going to be a year one title if it isn't at launch.

As for other titles... practically take any company that's majorly supporting the Switch now and say "Yep, there'll be something". I think the only exception to this is Activision Blizzard, if only because of the acquisition troubles that are still ongoing. I know Nintendo's representative at the trial was supportive of the acquisition, but I don't think they're "Let's give a Dev Kit to one of our direct competitors" supportive.
 
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Does anyone else remember way back when amazing looking PS4 titles started releasing... and just longing for Nintendo to have a console with that level of horsepower... imagining how their amazing artstyle would look on console like that...

I remember...
 
SoldierDelta said:
Yep. I feel like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Elden Ring will both also have a similar role (if they're coming to the Switch at launch), but CP2077 is pretty much the launch title.
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How do I yeah a post more than once? I've had these thoughts for a few months so it's good to know I'm not crazy.
 
I've been trying to figure out what the big 1st party title would likely be, and my best guess is a 3D Mario. Maybe something like Mario Odyssey 2. I think there's a chance of a Mario Kart 9/X/Ultimate in launch window though.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Late, but the idea that Splatoon 4 will have

1. Massive changes for the franchise
2. Will have a three year dev cycle despite four other EPD titles having clear priority over it (3D Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing) and the clear struggle to release that the Splatoon 3 DLC is going through.

Yeah, no.
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  1. I mentioned examples of those changes. literally none of them are drastic, just "more"
  2. Splatoon is a different division from Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, and a different lead staff from Animal Crossing. and with Splatoon being one of their big multiplayer series, they would give it the time needed to get right
so... yeah. it's absolutely possible
 
carbvan said:
How do I yeah a post more than once? I've had these thoughts for a few months so it's good to know I'm not crazy.
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Crazy? I was crazy once. 🐀
Yeah, you aren't crazy. You're absolutely right even. Nintendo would be actively wasting an opportunity of a generation if they didn't.
 
BloodMoon said:
I’ve been away for quite a few pages, so many that I’m not even sure of the number.

However, what is this research that Pablo has supposedly done? Did I just read that it cost a huge amount to get access to it (hence it hasn’t been corroborated)?
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Does anyone have an answer for this? What website did all this information come from?
 
Splatoon 3’s DLC isn’t even going to be finished until mid 2024 and will have taken two years to make because EPD’s resources are spread so thin right now.

Splatoon 4 will probably be 2027-2028
 
SoldierDelta said:
but I've got some concerns with the smaller teams, third parties, and especially Game Freak.
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See I ain't concerned about Game Freak. I know they'll struggle.
SoldierDelta said:
Yep. I feel like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Elden Ring will both also have a similar role (if they're coming to the Switch at launch), but CP2077 is pretty much the launch title.
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Elden Ring would definitely be huge.
 
I can’t reconcile a 2023 announce anymore…
I think my (cover all bases) prediction is now
January to March announce April to November release.

I’ll be right this time …I can feel it.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Maybe, but Splatoon probably is just getting starved in favor of Mario, Mario Kart, and Animal Crossing now as they’re much more important.
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if you're tremendously shortsighted, sure. meanwhile splatoon is on the precipice of falling from fourth pillar status and pretty much needs a strong fresh entry early in the system's life. splatoon only being represented by a maligned holdover from switch 1 for many years would be a mistake

mario is in tokyo, so it's likely irrelevant to this question in practice. either animal crossing or mario kart, meanwhile, could be easily outsourced. mario kart has some precedent with bandai namco and ndcube could be a good co-dev candidate for animal crossing. we're reaching a point where even core series are going to have to be farmed out for their own survival
 
MP! said:
I can’t reconcile a 2023 announce anymore…
I think my (cover all bases) prediction is now
January to March announce April to November release.

I’ll be right this time …I can feel it.
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February would be my best bet for a reveal. It also gives us plenty of time for more leaks, tech discussion and laughable rumors. But then again, a Summer blowout around not E3 and Gamescom would make the most sense for a September launch.
 
SoldierDelta said:
As for other titles... practically take any company that's majorly supporting the Switch now and say "Yep, there'll be something". I think the only exception to this is Activision Blizzard, if only because of the acquisition troubles that are still ongoing. I know Nintendo's representative at the trial was supportive of the acquisition, but I don't think they're "Let's give a Dev Kit to one of our direct competitors" supportive.
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Activision-Blizzard will probably be at first quarter with newest COD (another potentially big announcement for Switch 2 first SW presentation) and another of their family friendly games (be it Crash, Spyro or Tony Hawk, well if they have plans to launch a new game of any of those IPs in ~1 year).

From Blizzard side, a Diablo IV port should happen sometime in first year.
 
Raccoon said:
if you're tremendously shortsighted, sure. meanwhile splatoon is on the precipice of falling from fourth pillar status and pretty much needs a strong fresh entry early in the system's life. splatoon only being represented by a maligned holdover from switch 1 for many years would be a mistake

mario is in tokyo, so it's likely irrelevant to this question in practice. either animal crossing or mario kart, meanwhile, could be easily outsourced. mario kart has some precedent with bandai namco and ndcube could be a good co-dev candidate for animal crossing. we're reaching a point where even core series are going to have to be farmed out for their own survival
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I just don’t see the logic in maintaining Splatoon as a brand by starving Splatoon 3 DLC of resources. Splatoon is definitely the easiest EPD franchise other than Zelda to find a third party to assist in (shooters are pretty popular even though Splatoon is very different) so they could have done more outsourcing to speed up Splatoon 3 DLC and Splatoon 4 if maintaining the IP was a critical goal. Instead, Splatoon 3’s DLC has turned into kind of a joke and set a negative precedent for the franchise in the future.
 
qwerp said:
What website did all this information come from?
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This has been shared couple of times already. #1 and #2. I and others use both of those to complement each other (ie: one of those has dates, the other doesn't, etc).

Link #1 was the source of Connor's bad leak tweet (saying SEC8N confirmed when screenshot and website state no such thing), which I was able to find by searching using text visible in the screenshot in the tweet, and when I brought up the results, the format matched up with the screenshot (colors, font, formatting, etc).

Others here might be using a different site - ideally, if you're diving into this, use a shipment data aggregator site with data that can easily be verified through a 2nd completely separate shipment data aggregator website.
 
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Hocot8 said:
See I ain't concerned about Game Freak. I know they'll struggle.
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My current logic is that companies like Monolith Soft and Nintendo EPD are generally fine because, despite the tremendous scope of their games, they have been able to consistently maintain high quality releases despite the weaker hardware. If Monolith move on from their in-house engine to UE5, there's a good chance we'll see some slips, but we at least reason to have faith. GameFreak... man if they can't do well on lower-end hardware how on earth are they gonna compete with the higher end? I genuinely hope they're going to be given more time for releases because I just can't bare to think about how badly this can go.
Hocot8 said:
Elden Ring would definitely be huge.
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Yes, however I do kinda want to see all genres have a presence at launch as well. I finished my first horror game recently with Resident Evil 4 Remake and that game slapped on a level it had no right to slap. I genuinely want to see so many games appear at the launch, even games that might have some technical grievances such as Balder's Gate 3.

I'm just really excited man. There's so much potential here.
 
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