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Does Square-Enix want Final Fantasy growth or not? Because it's not happening without Switch 2. They have to get the franchise selling in Japan again.
Their whole giant plan was FF16 was make the franchise break out in the West and become a big ticket in the West so sales in Japan wouldn't matter anymore ... and it doesn't look like that plan worked at all. Their stock price has tanked since then. 16 is likely going to be sell less than 15 and 7Remake.
So they can keep on spending big money on a franchise that keeps declining in sales I guess. Even FF7 Remake, for a game that mega-hyped and a remake of what is supposed to be one of the greatest games of all time ... 7 million sold after a PC + PS5 Intergrade version is underwhelming after 3 1/2 years.
They can do as they please, but I think their new president especially is aware that this whole plan of "Playstation or bust" isn't working. The FF series is not growing with rising production costs that's a big problem. Investors are already bailing out in droves. FF7 Rebirth will likely sell less than FF7 Remake to boot, it's the second part so it basically requires everyone buying it to have played the first one, don't see them getting every single person who bought the first one back for part 2. The first one had much bigger hype and was released at the perfect time, right as COVID hit so it won't have that COVID boost either.
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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Penciling in the early third-party support big games
September 2024 (release month): Cyberpunk 2077, NBA 2K25, Madden 25, College Football 25
October 2024: Assassin's Creed Red, EA FC25,
November: Call of Duty Warzone 2
December: Persona 3 Remake or something I guess, maybe the KH collection or Mass Effect trilogy goes here? Less confident.
January 2025: Monster Hunter Gen 6
September 2024 (release month): Cyberpunk 2077, NBA 2K25, Madden 25, College Football 25
October 2024: Assassin's Creed Red, EA FC25,
November: Call of Duty Warzone 2
December: Persona 3 Remake or something I guess, maybe the KH collection or Mass Effect trilogy goes here? Less confident.
January 2025: Monster Hunter Gen 6
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For what it’s worth, SF6 seems to be doing numbers in Japan via Steam.
Given Street Fighter’s history with Nintendo handhelds, I’d be surprised if SF6 wasn’t Day 1 (or at least launch window).
Mr.Gamerson
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Nintendo Directs are going to be sooo much better now that Nintendo has major third party support again.
you would know.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Yeah, if I didn't think MH Gen 6 was launching early 2025 and coming to Switch 2, I would definitely put it in. I think Capcom will wait a few months if they're releasing MH Gen 6 in late 2024 or early 2025 though.
Japanese studios thought Nintendo was finished after Wii U and Switch would bomb.
They were wrong. The 3DS for example did get far better Japanese 3rd party support initially than the DS got at first ... SFIV, Resident Evil exclusive games, Metal Gear Solid 3, Tekken, Monster Hunter exclusivity, Dead or Alive Dimensions, etc. etc. but the 3DS never took off like the DS did so it lost some of that support as time went on.
Switch 2 will likely get that benefit too, it's up to Switch 2 though to live up to its sales billing and sell like Switch 1 so that support continues throughout it's life cycle.
They were wrong. The 3DS for example did get far better Japanese 3rd party support initially than the DS got at first ... SFIV, Resident Evil exclusive games, Metal Gear Solid 3, Tekken, Monster Hunter exclusivity, Dead or Alive Dimensions, etc. etc. but the 3DS never took off like the DS did so it lost some of that support as time went on.
Switch 2 will likely get that benefit too, it's up to Switch 2 though to live up to its sales billing and sell like Switch 1 so that support continues throughout it's life cycle.
qwerp
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Interesting he says 12-18 months. If it was indeed releasing in March, we would be hearing the "launching with" phrase a lot sooner than that I think. Good to see more stuff slowly coming out the woodworks.
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It didn't have GREAT third party support that's for sure.
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But as history shows, ports of past MHs are only utilized for the sake of what amounts to either a cute bonus to prop up Tri (MHG for Wii), or what amounts to padding (Port3rd HD for PS3, GenUlt for Switch, Rise/Sunbreak for the HD twins).
They've never done any significant work for a previous game's port, and the release of RiseBreak for the HD twins is likely already filling in the spot of something Capcom could put out with minimal work, and give MH6 more time.
As much as I'd love to see more classic MH games given new life on modern hardware, that doesn't seem to be Capcom's MO at all.
Yeah I agree but I'll say it's likely he's playing it safe with that timeline. I'm not sure if he's ever really been in the Nintendo insider game. To my knowledge he's really known for his Sony stuff cause it's like he has an office right next good ole Jim Ryan lol.
qwerp
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Yeah I wouldn't call it conclusive proof or shows that he does believe in a Late 2024 launch, but if this thing really did come out in March (a lot sooner than most people believe), then that is a very safe play.
KeijiKG
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Sounds more like it'd be more commonplace to see the Switch 2 in the section of listed platforms in any game ads to come in the next 12-18 months compared to how the current Switch will sometimes go missing.
Maybe we just read it different?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The Switch 1's third-party support was like a 7-8/10, pretty good.
Also note, that absolutely nobody has said it's launching in march. Nate's "something happens in March, no idea what" predictably got taken out of context.
I think it's always been 2nd half 2024 if it is on the TSMC 4N node ... Nintendo would've known years ago that would be the exact time the node becomes cheaper and open to much more production (even per TSMC's own internal time line's they listed 2024 as the year 4N becomes a cheap/mature node).
Even early 2024 would probably require production to begin in late 2023 ... don't think Nintendo would want to cut it that close. Beginning manufacturing well into 2024 and launching in say September-November 2024 is a very comfortable time line if Nintendo is using TSMC 4N.
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reveal in March, release August/September. that works given everything we know.
i hope it's earlier but it does sound like it could be a late summer sort of release.
i hope it's earlier but it does sound like it could be a late summer sort of release.
qwerp
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By a few, sure. We shall see if anyone can back up the March claim with any TGS leaks.
Why would the nodes be cheaper in 2024?
I feel like I remember people here saying that the Switch went into manufacturing late 2016 but I could be remembering wrong.
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his comment has nothing to do with teh system launch. just game announcements
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I don't think the launch date for Nintendo's new console has anything to do with the process node choice since I imagine Nintendo and Nvidia had to already make a final decision on which process node to choose to fabricate Drake by the time Drake's taped out. And based on some LinkedIn profiles (here and here), Drake's probably taped out back in 1H 2022.
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i also put a lot of stock in the Sharp LCD rumour. supposedly trialling production this FY and scaling up thereafter. seems to line up perfectly with this timeline.
Nvidia already paid for their allocation. floor is set in stone unless Nvidia needs to buy more and no one would know that price until they and TSMC comes to the table
Projected release date, and projected price of said node at that time, definitely played into their decision. Even if they made the decision in 2019.
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I hope not but they sure could!
Right now my top three hopes are:
Super Nintendo Switch
Nintendo Switch (Generation 2)
Nintendo Switch 2 (stylised as superscript, as in "Squared".)
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Exactly what I’ve been saying both here & on Era. March reveal -> September launch makes the most sense based on what we’ve been told by Eurogamer/VGC/NateDrake in addition to what we know about the Switch 1’s 2024 schedule (both confirmed & rumored).
qwerp
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Yes, and what gets announced alongside a system?
Still, I don't think we should take Henderson's words as gospel, but it is interesting.
The Competition
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Yes please I hope you're right
I feel like every Nintendo direct for a while now has been 45 mins of alternating between JRPG <-> Farming Sim <-> JRPG <-> Farming Sim with the occassional 1st party game throughout. I would love to see some more variety. I don't play either of those genres except for Xenoblade and MH.I have no idea if you're right or wrong about this, but assuming you're right, perhaps this is why Eurogamer talked about Nintendo wanting to launch sooner? Suggesting they're waiting for something, and maybe waiting for TSMC would what they're waiting on? People often speculate they're waiting on software, but recent times have me feeling that Nintendo is ahead of schedule on software these days, not behind. They seem to sit on games a lot, rather than stretching to barely meet deadlines. I reckon the software is ready/almost ready.
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I think you might be a tad confused.
Things are bound to be staggered/out of sync during Switch 2 launch window.
Eventually Switch 2 will settle into the cadence (normal flow of things), we'll increasingly see games announced for all consoles including Switch 2. That's the interpretation most of us got out of that tweet.
No studios can even announce "PS5, XBox X|S, Switch 2" right now anyway and not at launch window either because they're not going to hold back games and wait for Switch 2 to launch first.
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Seems clunky for use on a logo and box art, needing to fit the 'Gen 2' somewhere. It's fine for (OLED model) cause that isn't a new console with exclusive games. At this point just name it Switch 2.
other games. it's less taking his word a gospel but noting that the comment is just about games in the future
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Tom is not talking about launch games but games being announced in the future that might be announced with a Switch 2 version. That's a good sign but the timing he gave is more about when those games are announced and less about the switch 2's launch timing.
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Precisely. Tom's tweet, I don't think, is a hint or indication of release timing at all. Just that he's looking forward to a future where we can expect to see Switch 2 (whatever name be) next to PS5, XBox X|S. But that's not going to happen initially (around the launch window), things will be staggered at first.
Sol
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Someone needs to just leak this damn console at this point. The amount of rumors we have flying around about all these games coming or not coming to the Switch 2 is kind of crazy given that the console hasn't even been talked about by Nintendo.
Microsoft unveiled the Series X 11 months before release, and Sony started talking about PS5 tech and the DualSense 8-9 months before release.
Someone leak this thing already.
Microsoft unveiled the Series X 11 months before release, and Sony started talking about PS5 tech and the DualSense 8-9 months before release.
Someone leak this thing already.
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I think it would be physically seperate. I should do a mock-up.
Essentially;
Nintendo Switch logo is a red square.
Add a red banner beneath it, the same width but only as tall as the "N" of "Nintendo", inside which is white text that says "Generation 2”.
Now your logo is also different by shape. The original is a square, Next Gen is slightly oblong. The gap between the banner and square being transparent - and both the banner AND square being transparent when on the back of the console, which just has a biiig Nintendo Switch logo with "Generation 2 " in plain text below it.
At the very least, it's much more clear than "II".
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At least I use it to get high.
Hope Tom Henderson is right. I'd love to see that.
"Switch II" or "Switch ii" (if they wanna be cute) has come to mind for me too as an option for a number in the name if they really just didn't want to do arabic numerals because of PS and also didn't want to risk some other name.
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How often do you think about the Roman Empire?
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The 12~18 months is probably the time before most of the announced thirds have already been made with the Switch 2 in mind. Until then, I imagine that most third party games will be ports of already released games, or late ports of games that are about to be released soon.
I don't think it's related to the release date, but rather to the delivery date of the devkits.
I don't think it's related to the release date, but rather to the delivery date of the devkits.
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I'm a Latin tutor so lol
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Any name that isn't Switch 2 is utter garbage tbh.
We don't need another Wii U
We don't need another Wii U
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oh no
Teal'c
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Square-Enix management seems to be dissatisfied with the performance of the last chapter of Final Fantasy (I can't blame them) and the exclusivity of only three months of the second part (or third, I don't remember) of FF7R seems to confirm this.
Switch 2 sales permitting, Square-Enix will do everything to bring its most modern titles to the Nintendo console.
Switch 2 sales permitting, Square-Enix will do everything to bring its most modern titles to the Nintendo console.
I was thinking about gladiators just last week
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