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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)
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I can totally imagine the devs at Capcom convincing the suits that MH PS5 can't be done on Switch 2 because they're pushing the visuals that hard, and instead a specific portable MH should be developed again like Rise.
I can then also imagine them doing exactly that, and then when the portable MH for Switch 2 is done, the average gamer, and the suits themselves, will look at the two games and think... they don't look THAT different... why wasn't the PS5 game on Switch 2?
And digital foundry and the Capcom devs will be like 'but look how many polygons were pushing and look at this effect and that effect and the shadows between the blades of grass are better and the pores on the characters' skin are so detailed and the shadows between where the belt buckle meets the leather of the belt is so much better.'
And the suits will look and say 'OK that all sounds great, but the final image just doesn't look that different, especially in motion!'
And thats when the industry needs to ask itself if it's past that point on the graphics curve where the lost PS5 sales due to lost fidelity from targeting Switch 2 outweighs the lost sales from skipping Switch 2.
I'm not predicting this immediately. Just saying it's possible. Whether it happens with Switch 2 or Switch 3 or Switch 4, that day is absolutely coming. And I think Sony knows it, which is why they say they're gonna have to stop relying on 3rd party, because sooner or later, Nintendo will get equal 3rd party support and Sony's own first party will be the only differentiator, so they need to bolster it.
I can then also imagine them doing exactly that, and then when the portable MH for Switch 2 is done, the average gamer, and the suits themselves, will look at the two games and think... they don't look THAT different... why wasn't the PS5 game on Switch 2?
And digital foundry and the Capcom devs will be like 'but look how many polygons were pushing and look at this effect and that effect and the shadows between the blades of grass are better and the pores on the characters' skin are so detailed and the shadows between where the belt buckle meets the leather of the belt is so much better.'
And the suits will look and say 'OK that all sounds great, but the final image just doesn't look that different, especially in motion!'
And thats when the industry needs to ask itself if it's past that point on the graphics curve where the lost PS5 sales due to lost fidelity from targeting Switch 2 outweighs the lost sales from skipping Switch 2.
I'm not predicting this immediately. Just saying it's possible. Whether it happens with Switch 2 or Switch 3 or Switch 4, that day is absolutely coming. And I think Sony knows it, which is why they say they're gonna have to stop relying on 3rd party, because sooner or later, Nintendo will get equal 3rd party support and Sony's own first party will be the only differentiator, so they need to bolster it.
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The first thing that came to mind was Monster Hunter World. lol
Everyone talking about the next Monster Hunter, meanwhile we seem to be the ones questioning if Monster Hunter World finally gets a release on Nintendo hardware.
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That was my understanding as well reading through musings (bits here and there).. parts are ongoing.. December is the final assembly.
Putting everything together into a box, then add scent of that nice "new technology" smell.
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I love the smell of benzene in the morning.That was my understanding as well reading through musings (bits here and there).. parts are ongoing.. December is the final assembly.
Putting everything together into a box, then add scent of that nice "new technology" smell.
(Specifically, the morning of March 8th, 2024.)
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I don't think any "factory uncle" leaks have been even slightly accurate or predictive at any point with the Switch 2.
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We have nothing physical to corroborate any factory leak or prediction yet so that's a completely redundant thought and won't have until mass production begins or the device is shown
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It's a mixed bag kind of thing. As is in the world of rumors and speculation, things should not be taken in a "black and white" or "all or nothing" manner.
Besides, there've not been any sort of opportunity we could confirm any "factory uncle" stuff for in regards to Switch 2 (to my knowledge) so your statement doesn't make sense either. Also, I could be mistaken but the rumor of December production didn't even come from those "uncles".
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I still think its the Switch 2. Sharp and Innolux are basically the same company when it comes to displays, and sources indicate it will have an innolux display,
Sharp and Innolux to integrate their display business - with a focus on IGZO and OLEDs | OLED Info
A few weeks after Sharp agreed to sell a two-thirds stake to Foxconn (Hon Hai Precision) for $3.5 billion, the Taiwanese company is starting to integrate Sharp's display business with Innolux, Foxconn Taiwanese display arm.Innolux AMOLED prototype, 2012Today we hear a report from Taiwan that...
www.oled-info.com
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If the info we have is still up to date, seems like Nintendo will diversify the LCD Display suppliers once again. Assuming Sharp/Innolux are involved too, of course.I still think its the Switch 2. Sharp and Innolux are basically the same company when it comes to displays, and sources indicate it will have an innolux display,
Sharp and Innolux to integrate their display business - with a focus on IGZO and OLEDs | OLED Info
A few weeks after Sharp agreed to sell a two-thirds stake to Foxconn (Hon Hai Precision) for $3.5 billion, the Taiwanese company is starting to integrate Sharp's display business with Innolux, Foxconn Taiwanese display arm.Innolux AMOLED prototype, 2012Today we hear a report from Taiwan that...
Honestly, I don't mind a LCD due to it being cheaper than OLED. Nintendo can release a premium Switch 2 OLED later on to boost sales once again. It's a proven strategy and no reason for them to not try it again.
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Sony apparently has regional console exclusivity over MHW in Japan.
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What they did was add eye-tracking so the 3D sweet spot could move with your eyes, and it was a game-changer. It would be absolutely spectacular on the Switch 2 and I'm mad that it'll never happen.
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So what is Square's plans with the new Switch? The standard AA support while PS5 gets all the AAA attention?
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(I don't know how Nate would know most of Square's plans...)
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He’s an insider with his own sources.
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Are you sure? Ampere doubled the number of cores per Streaming Multiprocessor, but due to the changes to those cores it didn't make for a an actual doubling of performance - at least not compared to Turing, but a comparison to Maxwell might be different.
With Switch being a game console getting bespoke optimization, I have a feeling that number will go up. Maybe not straight away, but in the systems lifecycle we are sure to get games that push the hell out of Ampere.
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I am not Ghostonplanets but I assume he is refering to the fact that improvements will be done to other parts of the SoC as well, namely the CPU and the RAM.
Hence, the 'more than' part of his comment.
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Sure, but I doubt he has enough top level sources to answer questions about the future of Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, etc on Nintendo hardware years in the future.
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Capcom and Square Enix have to change their strategy when it comes to Nintendo consoles if we want to see them port over most of their newer titles to Switch 2. Square Enix have not released a new mainline Final Fantasy game on a Nintendo console since the Super Nintendo. We have to see if any of these companies will lessen their tight relations with Playstation in the coming years, while Nintendo dominates Japan now all of those companies are gearing towards the western market now which they seem to think exist mostly of Playstation fanboys.
Square Enix even seems to care more about having their games on Xbox over Switch 2, a console that have a close to zero player base that cares about JRPG games. Nintendo still has an incredible bad relationship with third party developers compared to their rivals, especially bad relationship with third party Japanese companies which is ironic due to how big Nintendo are today in Japan. Its easier for Nintendo to convince CD project red to port over Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk than it is for them convince Square Enix to port over FF16 and FF7 remake.
Square Enix even seems to care more about having their games on Xbox over Switch 2, a console that have a close to zero player base that cares about JRPG games. Nintendo still has an incredible bad relationship with third party developers compared to their rivals, especially bad relationship with third party Japanese companies which is ironic due to how big Nintendo are today in Japan. Its easier for Nintendo to convince CD project red to port over Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk than it is for them convince Square Enix to port over FF16 and FF7 remake.
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I doubt you’re an insider who would know otherwise.
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I'm sure the Switch 1 and 2 will get the remakes of DQ3, Chrono Trigger, and FF9 that are probably coming out in the next 1-2 years.
I'm also sure that the Switch 2 will get DQ12.
I'm also very confident Square will port over KH1-3 (and the billion games in-between)
Will the Switch 2 get KH4, FF14 FF7R1+I+2, and Nier 3? That's harder to tell.
I'm also sure that the Switch 2 will get DQ12.
I'm also very confident Square will port over KH1-3 (and the billion games in-between)
Will the Switch 2 get KH4, FF14 FF7R1+I+2, and Nier 3? That's harder to tell.
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Square Enix seems to be busy making deals with Xbox to have all their games on that console as well, you know Xbox which has a player base that have near zero interest in any JRPG games. Nintendo consoles get small budget games from Square Enix on the other hand, you know that console that outsells the Xbox about 100 times in Japan itself.
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Yeah. Look at Xenoblade Chronicles series as an example. Really took off on the Nintendo consoles.
Guess Square and Nintendo must still have a bit of beef with each other all those years.
They could still have more than one supplier to make displays according to their custom specs. So this doesn't exclude the sharp rumor.
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Absolutely, the relationship between Nintendo and Square Enix are better today than they have been in decades but they are still not close to good by any stretch of the imagination. At least Square Enix nowadays releases some low budget games to Nintendo consoles, previously they used to release nothing at all on Nintendo hardware for decades.
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the way ya'll act like publishers who've been consistently supportive of the Switch actually despise it will always be funny
what deals has square made with Xbox other than FFXIV? One to get Octopath 2 a year late?
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But Nintendo will never join any bidding war to get third party titles, which means Sony will keep on paying third party Japanese studios to not release their games on Switch 2, in a desperate attempt to lessen Nintendo dominance in Japan. You can bet that the last thing Sony wants in the Japanese market is for Capcom to release Monster Hunter day and date on Switch 2 as well, catastrophic for Playstation hardware and software sales in Japan. So expect a fat Sony check on that front quickly.
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FFXIV was just the first example of their new strategy, i expect in the future Square Enix will release all their new games on Playstation/Xbox at the same time. Switch 2 will be nowhere to be seen though, in the coming years games like Octopath traveller 3 and other HD-2D titles will be most of what we can expect them to release on the Switch 2.
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I really can't understand how anyone believes that a company will develop a game that will work on the XBox Series S, but won't be able to make an effort (much smaller than the Switch ports) to also reach a player base that will most likely be larger on the Switch 2.
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You have it backwards. It's Turing who is the odd one out, as of the 128 CUDA Cores, Turing dedicated 64 for FP32 ops and 64 for INT32 ops.
Ampere reverted it back to all 128 CUDA Cores being able to do 128 FP32 ops, but with the ability of half the CUDA Cores being able to flexible do either FP32 ops or INT32 ops. Basically best of both worlds.
As for Maxwell, it's fully 128 FP32 ops, with INT32 being done by other means. So Ampere is very comparable to Maxwell in that sense.
And, anyway, regardless of whatever operation the CUDA cores are doing, T239 GPU still has 1536 Shading Units, which is 6x the Tegra X1/T210(4), which had 256 Shading Units. As Kenka complemented, a 6x bigger GPU + others advancements means it will be fairly easy for Switch 2 to be a >6x jump in GPU performance.
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I mean if you don't get any big games even though the hardware is capable it shows that the relationship is terrible. FF7 remake is easily portable to the Switch 2 and Nate says they have no plans as of now to port it over to the Switch 2. That can only be because of a bad relationship or Sony moneyhatting to not port it over to Switch 2.
As i said its easier for Nintendo to get CD project red to port over Witcher 3/Cyberpunk to Switch 2 than to get these Japanese studios to port over their titles, these Japanese studios have a weird hang-up on Nintendo that refuses to die anytime soon.
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Ah, ok. See, I was under the impression that the split between FP32 cores and INT32 cores had been the way it went for multiple generations, not just Turing. So this is actually great news.
But so the chip won't necessarily be a 6x jump before all other improvements are taken into account, correct? I'm just wondering how the INT32 ops having to be handled by the cores instead of "other means" might hurt.
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Because it would sell poorly, MH is like sports games or COD, when a new one comes out everyone migrates to the new one.
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Well these Japanese studios have mostly ignored Nintendo over Playstation since the 3D era began, so for them to suddenly start to act rational in regards to Nintendo consoles seems misguided.
The boon of the Switch 2 will mostly be because of third party western studios like Ubisoft, CD project red etc that will jump on the opportunity to release ports on the Switch 2. Japanese third party studios will keep on like nothing has changed and blab about how weak the Switch 2 is as their excuse to continue to mostly ignore Nintendo.
Square Enix seems desperate to buddy up to Xbox recently, mostly because their strategy in recent years have been to cater totally to the western market so they care much more about day and date releases on the Xbox over any Nintendo system due to their deluded belief that the western market will be their future while the Japanese market is of little importance to them and they see Nintendo as a console representing the Japanese market they want to ignore in favour of going full on the western market.
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wonder since Switch 2 can apparently handle unreal 5 pretty well if Witcher 1 remake would come to it (probably not day 1 though)
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Since the 3D era began Nintendo has been behind Sony in either hardware power or installed base. With the fact that Nintendo, despite having already had more players in its ecosystem with the Switch and Wii, at no point was there a huge difference like PS1/N64, PS2/GC or PS4/WiiU.But in this case, you believe that the games will be released for XBox, it's really hard to believe that a Japanese game will be released for Series S, but won't be released for SNG. The only scenario this would make sense is if all our speculation is completely wrong, and the SNG will be much weaker than even the Series S.
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so based on necro's statements so far, the third party games that are coming to Switch 2 be it at launch or later on are:
-Far Cry 7 & other modern ubisoft stuff
-Mihoyo's games (Genshin, Star Rail & possibly ZZZ as well)
-Next Mainline Monster Hunter
if i'm missing something, do notify me
-Far Cry 7 & other modern ubisoft stuff
-Mihoyo's games (Genshin, Star Rail & possibly ZZZ as well)
-Next Mainline Monster Hunter
if i'm missing something, do notify me
not having plans for it doesn't mean anything as of yet. especially when the console in question isn't even acknowledged by the respective parties. that's not a bad relationship, that's just jumping to conclusions.
one game not yet coming when SE allows Nintendo to publish many of their games, announce loads on smaller titles for them, and even have some exclusive is not a bad relationship. that's just crazy talk
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Well according to Nate Square Enix even though Nintendo have given them Switch 2 dev kits a long while ago has no plans to release a several years old PS4 game to the Switch 2. My point is; Even thougn the Switch 2 may have the power we speculate it will have there is no certainty at all that many of these Japanese third party companies will port over games that will clearly be able to run on the Switch 2 at all, if not Square Enix would have started work on porting over FF7 remake as soon as they got their dev kits if they were going to release more games on a Nintendo system now that the system is going to run those games easily. Meanwhile Ubisoft is already planning day and date releases of Far cry 7 on the Switch 2.
That is what i meant by my expectation that western third party studios will continue to be more positive on releasing their games on the Switch 2 over the likes of Capcom and Square Enix.
Square Enix will continue to see Nintendo as an ecosystem that is mostly fit for releasing retro JRPG games in the mold of Octopath traveller.
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not confirmed yet but 2024 cod is also possible
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Well Square Enix have had dev kits for the Switch 2 for a while, logically these dev kits should have been used to work on a port of games such as FF7 remake in time for the Switch 2 release window. But it seems Square Enix is waiting for development to begin on octopath traveller 3 to have any use for their Switch 2 dev kits as of now.
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why do you keep mentioning octopath 3 like it is a confirmed game?
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I mention it as an example of the kind of game we will see them release on the Switch 2, not the likes of FF7 remake.
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I kinda doubt FF9R comes to switch 1. I feel like they could get FF14 and the next Nier on there tho
or they could be making something else for Drake, like Dragon Quest, which has a couple of console exclusives for Switch already
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just because FF7R isn't happening right now on NG, doesn't mean it's not happening at all.
Square as a whole can be quite slow with them deciding what to port on Switch, like they decided to bring Nier there back in 2019 because they were impressed with how Astral Chain ran & looked there (in case you don't know the relation, both are PG games & made in the same engine)
so again while 7R may not happening rn, that does not mean it won't happen, it could happen one day though
Square as a whole can be quite slow with them deciding what to port on Switch, like they decided to bring Nier there back in 2019 because they were impressed with how Astral Chain ran & looked there (in case you don't know the relation, both are PG games & made in the same engine)
so again while 7R may not happening rn, that does not mean it won't happen, it could happen one day though
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As I said, the amount of Shader Cores are 6x. And T239 will (probably) clock higher than Tegra X1 and won't be as bandwidth constrained as TX1 was. While, of course, there are others structures that might not scale as much, a 6x performance jump should be very straightforward to achieve.
If we look at the BoTW 4K60 Gamescom demo, for example. It's taking a 900p30 game and upping it to 1080p60* (A nearly ~2x jump in pixels pushed per frame) and then upsampling it to 4K thanks to DLSS. That's a small jump, but it showcases how much more powerful the hardware is to push a Switch game to 4K60 with no sweat.
* I assume it's taking the OG BoTW Resolution/FPS targets of 900p30 and rendering at 1080p60. It could be that the demo is rendering at 1440p60 or another value and then upsampling to 4K60. If it's rendering at 1440p60, it would be a a ~5x jump in pixel per frame compared to OG Switch.
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