The Iphone discourse is very similar to all those people who proclaimed that everyone would stop using switch and start using Steam deck/ROG ally instead because of how much powerful they were compared to the switch. You have to factor in everything, not just comparing devices from a power standpoint. But since the release of those ''rival'' systems the Switch have continued to sell tens of millions units without problem.
So 900p? That was the case for a lot of UE4 games on base ps4
Yeah 900p-1080p, given what we know handheld is stronger than a PS4 but idk I am worried there will be some bottleneck that will cause it to do worse wrt to resolution despite that
Well to each his own, I expect it o be on Samsung's "crappy" 8 mm node and yet due to various optimizations perform very nicely. Of course I could end up being wrong, but I think people overstate the importance of the node in itself.Hopefully it's not actually Samsung's crappy 8nm node. If it is, I expect either a disappointing battery life or a bulky console with sub-par performance.
Exactly, this a very niche-y niche. People who want to play AAA games typically already own a gaming system, and will prefer to play it properly in a larger screen and with better controls. Sure, you can link a controller to an iPhone, but how convenient is that? Are you really going to carry a controller with you? Will you sacrifice your phone battery life to play these AAA games in a sub par way? If you’re not that into videogames, I don’t see how you would pay 60€ for an iPhone game, and if you’re into videogames, you rather spend it on the home console version. This customer that would buy it on the iPhone obviously exists, but it’s a tiny fraction of the gaming spectrum.
The yields would be relatively shit and they’d be forced to migrate the node by force sooner rather than later so I expect it not to be
I don't know why you keep asking about August when it's been pointed out multiple times that the System's mass production is going into effect in Nov/Dec. And once a system goes into mass production, it's going to be revealed shortly thereafter, assuming it's not revealed already. That is a big reason. You keep putting words in people's mouths by stating,
They are giving you reasons, you for whatever reason, are ignoring each and every one of them. None of the responses you've gotten are bad. A bad response to someone is asking, "Then why not August?", over and over without bringing up your own counter-points. You have given one counter-point every single time by putting words in people's mouths. Nintendo has given no indication they don't want the announcement to release to be quick. You're making assumptions about what Nintendo wants to do based on literally nothing in the last 7 years. While others are discussing why they believe it could be this year. They're not inserting Nintendo's fake desires into it like you are. Why are you assuming they want more than half a year from announcement to release? Yeah I'm still catching up and this is late, but I see you saying the same thing over and over ignoring what others are saying. You believe what you want to believe. If you're too stubborn to see another point of view that's on you at this point. You don't want to see another point of view, so you're not going to get an answer you deem as "good".
this isn't for certain at all. all we have is a few reports and rumours along with speculation (crucially none on the Funcle side where this supposed production is imminent). as much as we'd all love this timeline nobody really knows.
Worried it will run into limitations when it comes to quicker ports from those platforms that don’t necessarily utilize ampere’s feature set
To a word, what people said about Aula.
end of the day nobody knows, hence it keeps coming up ripe for speculation.
Thanks for clearing this up. I've been seeing a lot of reactions to the HDR stuff. I acknowledge it can be power hungry but I doubt Nintendo would attempt implementing it in handheld mode if it destroyed the experience by gutting the battery life.
You’re a troll lol
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that Oled was designed with HDR in mind, so I would bet it's something Nintendo wants to do.
Color depth is only one part of HDR. You can have 10 or 12-bit colors without HDR. Just having the increased color depth would help with some things like color banding but the actual increased dynamic range requires some way to increase the range in luminosity.
I figured this would likely be for docked mode or an OLED model down the line. I'm not too knowledgeable about display tech but I've been seeing people say this is a terrible idea on a portable device due to battery concerns and that it won't work well on an LCD screen. So I haven't been sure what to make of it.
I don't think they would implement a feature for only one mode.
Like touchscreen?
Or motion controls?
Until we have the device in our hands and can verify if it's fabbed on TSMC or Samsung, 8N will always be alive. Yes, the energy efficiency and density data we have (Thanks to Jetson Power Tool and Nvidia own Orin data) does not support the idea of T239 being fabbed on 8N. But we can't rule out because we don't know what Nintendo and Nvidia planned or what type of DTCO they have done on 8N.
Will hijack this amazing post by Thraktor to post this:
This is how absurd T239 on 8N is. And Thraktor himself shared data showing it in this same thread. It can happen, but would be a miracle work from Samsung, Nvidia and Nintendo.
Very different contexts. Aula was datamined and was shrugged off because publication like Bloomberg and leakers like Nate or Emily were hinting/saying that a Pro device was coming in 2021. The OLED device was actually known by the people in this thread back then, but everyone thought it was the Switch Pro with an OLED Screen due to the rumors.
Yields still not being good (if that part isn't being exaggerated) shouldn't be a performance problem for the end user, and there will probably be a revision around 2 years later anyway, so I don't really see a problem. The only thing I can see happening if it ends up being 8 nm is people saying "the sky is falling, I'm not buying this piece of crap" and so yet again (in a repeat of the aftermath of the Jan 2017 conference) Switch 2 will be more readily available at launch, only for people to realize later things are not as bad as they thought, but by then I'll already have my Switch 2 effortlessly so all's good
Don't kid yourself, everyone will buy it no matter the node.Yields still not being good (if that part isn't being exaggerated) shouldn't be a performance problem for the end user, and there will probably be a revision around 2 years later anyway, so I don't really see a problem. The only thing I can see happening if it ends up being 8 nm is people saying "the sky is falling, I'm not buying this piece of crap" and so yet again (in a repeat of the aftermath of the Jan 2017 conference) Switch 2 will be more readily available at launch, only for people to realize later things are not as bad as they thought, but by then I'll already have my Switch 2 effortlessly so all's good
While the assertion that everyone will buy it regardless of the node is true, Ashiodyne is correct that yields would be worse on 8N than on TSMC 4N. First, because it would be a bigger chip (Bigger than Xbox Series S chip), so yield loss would be bigger on 8N than on 4N and thus Nvidia would get fewer chips per wafer. Second, because, per SemiAnalysis, parametric yields of Samsung 8N are worse than of TSMC 4N. So that means clocks, energy consumption, etc would need to be adjusted accordingly to make up for the bigger chip to chip variance. So yes, that would mean a performance problem for the end user (Or more like Nintendo as they would have a big, costly to fab chip, that yields worse, has lower energy efficiency and the device build and battery life is impacted due to it).Yields still not being good (if that part isn't being exaggerated) shouldn't be a performance problem for the end user, and there will probably be a revision around 2 years later anyway, so I don't really see a problem. The only thing I can see happening if it ends up being 8 nm is people saying "the sky is falling, I'm not buying this piece of crap" and so yet again (in a repeat of the aftermath of the Jan 2017 conference) Switch 2 will be more readily available at launch, only for people to realize later things are not as bad as they thought, but by then I'll already have my Switch 2 effortlessly so all's good
Whoever those people are don't seem to be very knowledgeable on HDR, since HDR LCDs are quite common, and at the same size often as good or better at achieving the peak brightness required for "true" HDR.
Paper Mario on the N64 released the same year GameCube was to launch, Mother 3 released on the GBA 2 years after the DS released and Kirby's Adventure released 3 years after the SNES hit North America.
If they're worried about production capacity, 8nm is especially idiotic.
We know that now, but did Nintendo back when the decision was made?
Yes
That wasn't the only reason 8nm is unlikely, though. There are other reasons.
Non of us knows exactly how efficient Drake is. We can (and have) do our napkin math and estimations and maybe it's accurate but only Nvidia can truly know.
Bioshock 1, but that isn't a fair comparison.
Sure, nobody knows.
Yields still not being good (if that part isn't being exaggerated) shouldn't be a performance problem for the end user, and there will probably be a revision around 2 years later anyway, so I don't really see a problem. The only thing I can see happening if it ends up being 8 nm is people saying "the sky is falling, I'm not buying this piece of crap" and so yet again (in a repeat of the aftermath of the Jan 2017 conference) Switch 2 will be more readily available at launch, only for people to realize later things are not as bad as they thought, but by then I'll already have my Switch 2 effortlessly so all's good
