MadMechanic
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It doesn't matter that the Playstation Q runs on a generic android os since were talking about a device that is exclusively made to stream games.
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Team real.
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I dunno. Switch 2 isn't competing with it. Better to compare with PS5. Switch 2 will likely cost the same as PS5 though, which is ~$400?
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Even uglier than I thought it'd be. We will never get another psp again :/
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I wonder what SoC they'll use for the Q. I expect it to play high end Android games
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I believe they'll continue the multiples of 18 CUs from the PS4 to keep backwards compatibility intact, like they did with the PS4 Pro's 36CU. PS5 also using 36CUs. So another 18 would be 54CUs.
Let's see.
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Right, that's what I was asking about
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$499 without the disc drive, assuming the slim model releases later this year at $399 with the attachable disc drive add-on for an extra $99. So really, the pro would be $599.
For short, I expected it running on a more custom OS previously. And to be clear, I'm not claimming 'Android equals low effort'.
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Well, that would be if they followed PS4's situation, but that also had an initial $50 price cut almost 2 years in, a year before slim (and then another $50 price cut at slim's launch). With PS5 however, that relative 2-year mark served a $50 price increase in most regions.
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Switch Drake: $399
PS5 Pro: $599
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I just wanna know what is the gain here. Is fooling everyone is so satisfying to go to such lengths?
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That account is just creating the proper feng shui to summon a Nintendo hardware announcement. It's standard procedure.
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We know more about a PS5 pro, a device that is supposedly later next year than we do about whatever the hell nintendo is doing.
Sad.
Sad.
Does Sony struggle with keeping secrets, or does Nintendo excel in maintaining secrecy?
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I think Sony and Microsoft want some of that hybrid console gaming. cake too. Microsoft is going in the streaming direction, knowing that everybody has a phone. But they are limited by internet speeds. Nintendo went the hardware way. Sony maybe is just testing the waters with Q.
Or is it further out than we think?
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It's more like Sony just doesn't care enough to go through the effort to keep it a secret. Since they have been the console leader in regards to hardware strength since the PS3 era, they probably gain more from the hype surrounding the discussion about how powerful their next system will be.
On top of just being secretive in general, Nintendo gains from keeping details about their next hardware a secret for as long as possible so as to temper expectations.
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Or prevent Sony from yet again copying their ideas.
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Nintendo is a company that has thousands of moving parts. It’s not a single person who can remain silent. They are absolutely just as susceptible to hardware leaks like others. Though that doesn’t mean you’ll always get leaks. Simply put, they aren’t immune to it and people have them pegged as though they are somehow immune to any of this.
If it wasn’t for that data breach, I don’t think you’d see much progression in the discussion. You’d see more theorycrafting of a 4+4 core and a 4-6SM GPU with perhaps 51.2GB/s memory bandwidth of LPDDR5, or hell, more LPDDR4X
you would also see a lot of people saying they would be removing ray tracing and simplify the GPU “because Nintendo” reasons
Don’t get me wrong, I understand Nintendo is in a position where they should be more secretive, but it’s becoming less, how do I put it? Believable? I don’t know the right word since believable isn’t what I want to actually use.
You’d have information on past devices that were this close to some supposed timeframe and we have fuckall about Nintendo and it’s being left to “oh yeah it’s def 2024” but like where is the support for this?? There’s literally nothing of note.
We literally know more than what we should for some supposed other device, for a company who doesn’t benefit from the wider public knowing about this so far in advance when they want to sell you their current hardware.
And whoever replies about “we have all this stuff!”, don’t give me factory uncles, don’t give me “leakers” on forums that are known, they’re as credible as a gold painted piece of coal to me. Might as well throw them in the same pile as MLID which makes no difference to me. (You can disagree, I don’t care, it’s an opinion we all have them, not directed at you Mobius)
There’s literally nothing.
And no, I am not saying T239 is canceled.
This even assumes he’s right about the PS5 Pro which, while admirable, I would still wait for actual confirmation and/or others chiming in because sometimes wires get crossed and what was supposed to be one timeframe (ahem, last year) ends up being straight up wrong and somehow equates to a timeframe two years after.
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Which is what I’m getting at
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The one concrete thing there is, is the T239 production time. Would it make sense to tapeout 2 years before launch? 3 years? 4 years?
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Didn't the nintendo switch concept leak years before it was released tho
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So it's definitely true that Sony copy Zelda TOTK ability to create PS5 streaming handheldAnd some people think this could impact Switch sales
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Anyone else of the opinion that this looks like the end result of Sony having a good rummaged through Switch mock ups bevor deciding to put one of them in to production?
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I know, but I needed it off my chest.I was just joking
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Yeah, nah. There's more to a console than RAM and frequency.
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Yes, this, absolutely.
The idea that a late 2024 release (which a lot of people believe in) would mean that we would still know nothing about Nintendo’s next hardware until next summer and it drives me crazy.
At this point, still a whole year without anything but (seemingly) remasters and such, and no hardware reveal?
It has taken long enough already that I can’t accept that.
If people who believe this end up being right, I have legitimate reasons to be mad at Nintendo for taking so long. It’s just never ending.
But I prefer to believe that we’ll get our reveal later this year or (very) early 2024 at the latest because again, I think it’s legitimate.
Please Nintendo, don’t make #TeamHoliday2024 win. It’s been long enough.
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It looks awful.
I'd rather use a phone to use remote play if I'm honest, DualSense features be damned.
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I might just sell my Playstation 5 after I’ve finished Spider-Man 2 this winter to maximise its value then hold out a year for the PS5 Pro because I’m fortunate enough to also have an Xbox Series X for multi games and hopefully a Switch 2 in Q1 2024.
I wonder if Nintendo know for a fact (maybe through Microsoft) that if PS5 Pro is coming out in late 2024 it would shift Nintendo into going first in March or April 2024 to avoid the added competition in Winter 2024 if that’s when Switch 2 was initially planned for release?
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I don’t think anything related to PS5 Pro matters for Nintendo at this point.
First because it’s too late to have any impact on their hardware marketing schedule that must have been decided quite some time ago, but also because they do their own thing and shouldn’t (imo) be bothered by a mid-life hardware revision from Sony.
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That's really cool. Shows just how much the CPU really is the biggest hurdle for many AAA games to run on the Switch because visually they do look fine even without zero optimization but clearly, chuggs along as expected.
It could be 200 teraflops, and the series s would still be the common denominator.
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We weren't getting high detailed info on Switch hardware until late 2016. Based on a PS5 Pro leak schedule, that would've put Switch launching in 2018.
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I'm guessing it's nearly impossible to move launches up very much at all. 9 months in particular seems absurd.
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Oh goody, more storage discourse.
Here is an article about SD express. Sounds like a pretty massive leap.
The New SD Express Card Explained: Everything You Need to Know
Learn about the new SD Express card from our comprehensive article. We have covered its architecture, PCIe and NVMe technology, transfer speed and more.beebom.com
My main concern is actually cost. Anything beyond UHS-I SD cards and the price per byte basically doubles. I've yet to see anything that suggests SD Express is any different, based on the prices of the VERY few cards that actually exist for sale. Is Nintendo going to want you to buy a modest amount of external storage that costs 33% of the cost of the console itself? Especially when there's cheaper alternatives? My thought is no.
This seems like the correct takeaway.
UFS Card 3.0 spec exists, has existed since 2020, and is a speed match to eUFS 2.1. That feels like a good option, in a sea of sub-optimal ones, given that the UFS cards that existed on the 1.0 spec had a surprisingly low price per byte, comparable or better than UHS-I SD cards. If they have to basically jump-start retail availability of a new card standard, may as well be the cheapest one that bears a huge amount of similarities to the most widely-used embedded Flash solution currently being produced.
Cool, I'm not the only one tooting this horn anymore!
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Who says that? And why would anyone compare this controller to a portable?And some people think this could impact Switch sales
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To be fair, from a marketing perspective of the general masses, what sells better, or is easier to communicate to consumers? 8K, or Ray Tracing at 4k60?
I’m not disagreeing that the PS5 Pro would be good for that, I’m only asking about the ease of marketing. The vast majority of folks have no idea what Ray Tracing is, and I’d even wager a good portion either don’t know about Ray Tracing, or don’t even care about it.
I would love to be proven wrong though. I only think it’s easier to communicate higher resolutions, and/or higher frame rates than it is how shiny, or reflective the game looks.
Also in fairness, splashing on the box, and marketing ads about Ray Tracing at 4k60 might convince at least some gamers to research what it is.
Why does the PS5, and XSeries sell right now? It’s not because of Ray tracing. I believe it’s more to do with them being the shiny, and new consoles that’ll play your games from the previous system, plus new ones.
I only have this suspicion that banking on “Ray Tracing at 4K60!” Will be a harder sell than simply saying “Now with 8K support!”
But again, I could be wrong. I’m willing to discuss further.
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PS5 Pro is going to be marketed as a premium product. Would not be surprised if it's priced at $600 or even $700.
Assuming NG is released late 2024, I expect the price to be $400 for the "cheap" model and $500 for the premium model.
Assuming NG is released late 2024, I expect the price to be $400 for the "cheap" model and $500 for the premium model.
When talking about performance how much data the thing can process quickly enough is the most important factor. The features will help somewhat but not enough to make a 3.5 TFLOP console comparable to a 10+ TFLOP console especially when many AAA Devs are sick of having to make Series S versions of games.
Ray Tracing has been the main selling point of Gen 9 not 8k, so yeah I actually expect the marketing focus would be on Ray tracing in 4k 60fps.
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PS5 has had 8K on the box, including Sony's gaudy octagonal golden logo for 8K, since launch.
Ratchet and Clank is gonna provide an important benchmark as far as storage speed goes. the specs sheet and developer comments already point towards a conclusion in favor of the SD Card format being enough.
Rift Apart was designed for SSDs from a gameplay perspective but on PC, the game scales as low as to be able to run on an HDD. they also mention that RTX IO/DirectStorage is meant for high settings. since HDDs has lower throughput than an SD Card, Drake would be fine with reduced fidelity assets
Rift Apart was designed for SSDs from a gameplay perspective but on PC, the game scales as low as to be able to run on an HDD. they also mention that RTX IO/DirectStorage is meant for high settings. since HDDs has lower throughput than an SD Card, Drake would be fine with reduced fidelity assets
carbonaxiom
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The Switch is always going to be unique because Nintendo had to announce its existence themselves years in advance to prevent rumors that they were going to exit the console business due to the failure of the Wii U. I'm assuming that Nintendo was less focused on preventing leaks after that.
Although this current speculation cycle is also unique with just how well Nintendo has stopped concrete details about the new device from emerging. It's still very possible that we could walk into an announcement in the next month or two while still discussing a potential release date range of early 2024 to sometime in 2025.
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OK, it's a long read, and mainly for those into the silicon industry ...
www.nextplatform.com
... but here's the TL ; DR - despite the AI boom, TSMC does have plenty of spare capacity at the moment. And looking at the figures for PC and smartphones, other components that Nintendo might use are not supply constrained either. There's also an interesting comment about Samsung's fabs mainly being geared for memory. I know DRAM is a big part of their business, but I'm not sure if the 5nm++ node discussed recently is a memory targeted node?
AI Is A Modest – But Important – Slice Of TSMC’s Business
Given the exorbitant demand for compute and networking for running Ai workloads and the dominance of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co in making the
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... but here's the TL ; DR - despite the AI boom, TSMC does have plenty of spare capacity at the moment. And looking at the figures for PC and smartphones, other components that Nintendo might use are not supply constrained either. There's also an interesting comment about Samsung's fabs mainly being geared for memory. I know DRAM is a big part of their business, but I'm not sure if the 5nm++ node discussed recently is a memory targeted node?
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