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I wonder what the BoM on the next-gen console assuming it's another switch is gonna be like.
I know its physically impossible for us to know before its out and someone analyzes it but wouldn't it be hilarious if someone was so bored they tried making a guesstimate anyway
 
AshiodyneFX said:
I wonder what the BoM on the next-gen console assuming it's another switch is gonna be like.
I know its physically impossible for us to know before its out and someone analyzes it but wouldn't it be hilarious if someone was so bored they tried making a guesstimate anyway
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looking at the switch during recent times tells me that Nintendo wants to build a system that's almost "recession proof". if the economy goes to hell in a handbasket, they don't want to increase price to maintain profitability (or break-even). so their BoM probably won't be too different from Switch now
 
ILikeFeet said:
looking at the switch during recent times tells me that Nintendo wants to build a system that's almost "recession proof". if the economy goes to hell in a handbasket, they don't want to increase price to maintain profitability (or break-even). so their BoM probably won't be too different from Switch now
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I dont think its possible for nintendo to replicate a 257$ BoM with this hardware tbh
 
Man I don't agree at all. Nintendo does rely on 3rd party gaming revenue, skimming on 3rd party sales is the literal point of maintaining your own platform. The ability for switch to run at least a a good chunk of current gen games was definately part of why it sold so well, look how many games sold BEST on switch like Monster Hunter, Minecraft, sonic, dragonball, many of them sell 1/2 mill+. Sure Nintendo relies more on its 1st party IP than Sony, but honestly I don't think its by a lot, Sony pumps ALOT of resources in to its IPs, without COVID they certainly would have had more ready by now. And expectations for better fidelity and new experiences are still there for Nintendo's next console. Also Nintendo sell their console for a profit, if anything Nintendo wants you to jump to the new device more than Sony does. Don't get me wrong a new device that plays a prettier new mario kart, or the old one at 4k will probably be enough to make up a very large chunk of Redrakted sales, but without some current gen 3rd party the Switch does not do the numbers it does.

I also don't agree that the jump from what is similar to a 360/PS3+ to Xboxone/PS4 with DLSS with more memory/more modern architecture is a small jump. That seems like a pretty standard generation to me. I can certainly imagine new experiences based on the memory bandwidth alone. Current switch often struggles to run action games at stable frame rates. What if you simply want bigger/more hectic action game, SOTL without a new generation. Heck the potential for easier COD game ports alone is a pretty big deal. Nintendo marches to the beat of there own drum but they don't always leave money on the table and they are certainly more imaginative than I am.

Sadly developers don't care as much about physical sales in the first place, and more and bigger texture/audio files will result in larger file sizes. Compression only goes so far even on faster storage. I could easily see the a 8-16gb switch game equivalent double in size next gen. Nintendo themselves are great at making small sized games, but 3rd parties do the best they can for the level of investment they think is worth it. It's not all bad, at least you don't have many 80gb+ games and SD cards are relatively cheap.

Console makers/platform maintainers in general are in for a rough time with pricing. Even just inflation is enough to push prices out of must buy range for some market segments. K shaped recovery mean spenders that actually have money push demand and prices up for everyone. More average earners than in recent history are finding it hard to find discretionary income. Ninty will want it to be cheap...but at the same time will be bidding on parts that cost more. And they got a bit lucky with the Tegra in the first place. Sony/MS are highly competitive, they wouldn't have pushed prices up unless they really felt it necessary, sadly Nintendo might find itself in a similar situation. Plus there are clearly enough people with the funds to buy what they like right now, and they will probably be target market 1. I don't expect Redrakted to be particularly cheap, especially when you factor in less game specials/price drops as is tradition. I also doubt Nintendo will have a subscription service at similar value to gamepass/PS Extra. Its expensive to be a nintendo fan. But maybe a "lite" like console will make it an affordable option for families, especially with backwards compatibility and the pre owned market.
 
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Sabre said:
As contrarian as it sounds, I just want an actual console again. I've always found the handheld aspect of the switch clunky and awkward. It's great on the go, but when I'm home it remains firmly docked and I'm on my second playthrough of TOTK and I just keep thinking to myself, every time it's clipping or chugging during intense loads, just give us a stable frame rate. Maybe even make two versions of the next iteration. A beefier home console and a separate dock-able less powered version.
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i have to strongly disagree with you, i high doubt Nintendo could suport two consoles at ounce again, HD development is very resources consuming, have to suport two HD consoles at ounce, would be insane, i actually prefer that Nintendo spent all her development resources on a single console as they doing now on the fusisable future, having a console that you can take on the go and play games such as Tears of the Kingdom is a convinicence i hope stay for at least 2/3 more consoles generations
 
YolkFolk said:
I was thinking how short some console lifecycles used to be the other day and here in the UK we got the Gamecube in May 2002 and the Wii in December 2006. 4 and a half years difference. N64 came out in March 1997 here and the next gen Dreamcast launched in 1998 in Japan. Seems crazy now to think the next gen would come that soon.

I guess technology moved so quick then in terms of making generational leaps that the upgrade was unavoidable. Today’s kids will never know what it was like to see those new ‘next gen’ games.
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2028 i would not consider soon, that will give this current generation a 8 year lifecycle for the Xbox series X/S e PS5, 2020-2028: 8 years of games for Sonistas e Caxistas.
 
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Should they get rid of the IR camera to cut costs? The number of games that use it is very small.
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Foltzie said:
I could see ML used for interpreting motion inputs or camera inputs.
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Yes. Imagine if you barely needed to control the camera in most third-person games, or if you could target objects in the game just by looking at them. Would be a massive QoL upgrade.
 
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i have to strongly disagree with you, i high doubt Nintendo could suport two consoles at ounce again, HD development is very resources consuming, have to suport two HD consoles at ounce, would be insane, i actually prefer that Nintendo spent all her development resources on a single console as they doing now on the fusisable future, having a console that you can take on the go and play games such as Tears of the Kingdom is a convinicence i hope stay for at least 2/3 more consoles generations
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Selfishly I would love two systems' worth of games to play - that is, of course, if they are to the quality standard of which we now enjoy, however in reality that will never happen again. I agree with Giancarlo in that there is no way Nintendo reverts back to console only - the Switch format is a catch-all, blue ocean concept that allows for them to reach the most users, in any lifestyle scenario (except for, I suppose it could be argued, the most high-end).

Without another arm of their business residing outside of the video game world to mitigate such a risk, I just cannot see them ever doing this again. Unless, of course, the development tools progress to such a degree so as to dramatically lower costs, which in of itself is just as unlikely.

Dare to dream though, I suppose.
 
My Tulpa said:
Why does Nintendo care if you buy the 4K Switch vs the OLED Switch?

The services, the accounts, the library…it’s all shared. Nothing is changing. There is no motivation for Nintendo to focus on the Drake model in any special way different than they are now
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Simple, you're more likely to keep buying games for your 4K Switch for the next 10 years than you are for an OLED Switch.
 
AlexTheRecluse said:
Selfishly I would love two systems' worth of games to play - that is, of course, if they are to the quality standard of which we now enjoy, however in reality that will never happen again. I agree with Giancarlo in that there is no way Nintendo reverts back to console only - the Switch format is a catch-all, blue ocean concept that allows for them to reach the most users, in any lifestyle scenario (except for, I suppose it could be argued, the most high-end).

Without another arm of their business residing outside of the video game world to mitigate such a risk, I just cannot see them ever doing this again. Unless, of course, the development tools progress to such a degree so as to dramatically lower costs, which in of itself is just as unlikely.

Dare to dream though, I suppose.
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it's not a tools issue, it's that games would always be made with either the lowest common denominator or devs will just prioritize one over the other. it'd be the Xbox Series situation all over again
 
ILikeFeet said:
I think they can. if the biggest difference is the SoC, then they can keep their margins


Ring Fit 2, now with smart watch compatability!
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not realistically....regardless of node T239 is a larger die than Erista, the device around it is probably gonna be larger, the storage will have to be more expensive else its suicide, UFS is definetely more expensive than emmc, if they reuse the same oled they could save money there but I have difficulty they would leave that untouched, Nintendo always had a screen improvement with every portable I dont believe this would be an exception, if not in terms of resolution then at least in terms of color range, brightness, etc.

Battery density may have improved a lot but how about the costs per milliamp hour? The dock may require a better Realtek chip, the cooling assembly in the switch was a pitiful joke so I am definitely sure they'd have to improve that to avoid issues with T239, there are so many bits and pieces that are bound to raise cost, especially T239 itself, other 4nm (assuming it even is 4nm) ARM chips arent very cheap...let alone one with a gpu that large, i think they will have a significantly higher BoM and target a 399.99$ MSRP
 
So I messed around a bit with some die per wafer calculators to get an estimate of the die cost per T239. For a TSMC N5 wafer (4N) I'm estimating that Nvidia pays about $15k per 300mm wafer. The public estimates of around $16-17K are almost certainly too high, and while closer to 14k may actually be more realistic I'm being a bit conservative with my estimate.

If we estimate that T239 is 100mm2 (which is at the higher end of the range) and the yield is 95% (again also conservative), we get a cost of $25 per die and a total yield of 640 dies per wafer. Now Nvidia will not be selling these dies to Nintendo at cost, so if we assume they would like to keep their gross profit margin of ~60% we find that Nintendo would pay Nvidia $40 per T239. However, for a variety of reasons including volume, the relative inexpensiveness of design costs (compared to R&D of creating a new architecture/IP blocks), and the potential for future optimizations from the [Redacted] game developers carrying over to their Ampere, Lovelace, and Lovelace-Next dGPUs, I think it's unlikely Nvidia will seek a 60% gross margin for T239. Because of these factors I think a cost of about $30-$35 per die is the more likely price Nintendo will pay, with this cost per die further shrinking if die size or wafer cost are lower than I estimated, or yield is higher.

Even for the very highest end estimate for the cost of T239 die, it is not prohibitively expensive for Nintendo to be using TSMC 4N.
 
AshiodyneFX said:
not realistically....regardless of node T239 is a larger die than Erista, the device around it is probably gonna be larger, the storage will have to be more expensive else its suicide, UFS is definetely more expensive than emmc, if they reuse the same oled they could save money there but I have difficulty they would leave that untouched, Nintendo always had a screen improvement with every portable I dont believe this would be an exception, if not in terms of resolution then at least in terms of color range, brightness, etc.

Battery density may have improved a lot but how about the costs per milliamp hour? The dock may require a better Realtek chip, the cooling assembly in the switch was a pitiful joke so I am definitely sure they'd have to improve that to avoid issues with T239, there are so many bits and pieces that are bound to raise cost, especially T239 itself, other 4nm (assuming it even is 4nm) ARM chips arent very cheap...let alone one with a gpu that large, i think they will have a significantly higher BoM and target a 399.99$ MSRP
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you're making a lot of assumptions about things we don't know
 
Taking this out of hide tags since it’s already out there.

NX was not the switch’s only code name. It’s the one they announced to the public.

The NX evolved out of a project called Indy, to make a successor to the 3DS. The name “Switch” was actually picked before the code name NX as I understand it.

At Nvidia, chips have a code name, TX1’s was Erista. But Nvidia also have a code name for their hardware, based on Norse mythology. Even though Nvidia wasn’t developing Switch themselves, development of the software created the need for a test motherboard. These prototype Switch’s were called Odin, and you can still find references to that in various chip part numbers on the Switch motherboard.

Internally, the Switch calls itself the NX. The software platform (NVN and some OS services) was built while the hardware was being finalized, unlike the Wii or Wii which shared their graphics stacks with the GameCube. That was just called GX. My understanding is that the official NVN docs refer to “the NX device” and that in genera treats the Switch family of systems - the Lite, the OLED and the base model as “the NX platform”

It should be unsurprising to hear developers refer to “the version of NX that runs NVN2” as NX2. I have no idea if the docs will do the same, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It would surprise me to see it on the developer portal, not because I think Nintendo wouldn't use that designation, but because I think Nintendo wouldn't want to use the developer portal until they're in official pre-launch. It's easier to just setup a private website elsewhere, and keep everything segregated. Eventually, Nintendo will want build submissions to be automated, but right now, partners are likely submitting intentionally incomplete builds for working with Nintendo, and Nintendo definitely doesn't want to have the submission queue miss a flag and publish Red Dead Redemption 3 to the eShop by accident.
 
GrandDemand said:
So I messed around a bit with some die per wafer calculators to get an estimate of the die cost per T239. For a TSMC N5 wafer (4N) I'm estimating that Nvidia pays about $15k per 300mm wafer. The public estimates of around $16-17K are almost certainly too high, and while closer to 14k may actually be more realistic I'm being a bit conservative with my estimate.

If we estimate that T239 is 100mm2 (which is at the higher end of the range) and the yield is 95% (again also conservative), we get a cost of $25 per die and a total yield of 640 dies per wafer. Now Nvidia will not be selling these dies to Nintendo at cost, so if we assume they would like to keep their gross profit margin of ~60% we find that Nintendo would pay Nvidia $40 per T239. However, for a variety of reasons including volume, the relative inexpensiveness of design costs (compared to R&D of creating a new architecture/IP blocks), and the potential for future optimizations from the [Redacted] game developers carrying over to their Ampere, Lovelace, and Lovelace-Next dGPUs, I think it's unlikely Nvidia will seek a 60% gross margin for T239. Because of these factors I think a cost of about $30-$35 per die is the more likely price Nintendo will pay, with this cost per die further shrinking if die size or wafer cost are lower than I estimated, or yield is higher.

Even for the very highest end estimate for the cost of T239 die, it is not prohibitively expensive for Nintendo to be using TSMC 4N.
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Hm, I remember a previous estimate of T239's die size being more like....120nm~ or so, but that may have been wrong, how much heat would that expel i wonder and how much of a cost increase would that cause for the cooling, very interesting
 
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First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
 
oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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I'll go first.

I love/hate joy-cons. Not conceptually, but man they make my hands hurt in handheld mode, they're not great sideways mario kart controllers, and they make a barely passable controller in the grip. That they can do all these things at all is amazing, that they can then also function like Wii motion plus devices on top of that is amazing, but they're not good at any one thing.

But what I truly hate is hitting the scope in Zelda in combat all the damn time. I don't partially like the button pushy at all on the sticks, it doesn't feel great, but I could live with it, if I didn't hit it by accident constantly. Nintendo, all I want are sticks that I don't accidentally hit. Make them taller, or require more force, or move it off the damn button or make it pressure sensitive and let me tune it but please for the love of the Goddess Hylia WHY WOULD I ZOOM IN ON A LYNAL'S CROTCH MID COMBAT. WHY DO YOU THINK I WANT TO DO THAT???
 
GrandDemand said:
Now Nvidia will not be selling these dies to Nintendo at cost, so if we assume they would like to keep their gross profit margin of ~60% we find that Nintendo would pay Nvidia $40 per T239.
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It would more likely cost 50-70 USD if at that size, but I find that the storage and RAM would be also be pretty high.


If smaller (which it would be) they can get away with probably 50 per SoC.
 
MadMechanic said:
The one thing that stands out from this "Leak" is Nanite and Global Illumination (presumably Lumen i think) being disabled in handheld mode. Am i reading this correctly?
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Yeah, that would seem pretty weird to cut major effects if docked is running at ~Series S resolutions and portable is still stuck at 720p.
Dakhil said:
Yeah, I feel confident Nintendo's going to keep the CPU frequency the same regardless of the mode almost all the time similar to the Nintendo Switch.
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Is there a downside to letting something like Picross run at a lower CPU frequency for slightly lower battery use?
My Tulpa said:
Why wouldn’t Switch Nintendo games released in 2025 also release on the 140 million consoles that will be out there?

I can’t think of any good reason why they wouldn’t.
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Why didn't 3DS games released in 2012 also release on the 150 million handhelds that were out there? Why didn't Wii U games released in 2013 also release on the 100 million consoles out there?
lemonfresh said:
So it's 6x more powerful yet its still rumored to be around ps4/xb1 In power, the og switch model was really weak then damn
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These are very vague points of comparison for widely separated things. "Our games built for PS4 will work fine." Easily understood. "It won't be on par with PS5." Clear. "I'd call it a PS4.43." Nobody in the know's gonna put it that way.
 
oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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I want Nintendo to bring back GameCube-style analog shoulder buttons (that don't necessarily pivot like triggers) with the digital click at the end. And no, it's not useless, especially when it's very easy to make the aiming part the analog portion of the shoulder button with the digital click being the actual "fire".

Another thing I wish they could bring back, since the demise of Twitter seems inevitable and Facebook...being Facebook...is the Miiverse.
 
oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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I want the IR pointer to be at the front of the right Joy-Con instead of the back. This would make Wii ports much easier and better if you sold a sensor bar separately on the website, just like the retro controllers on Nintendo's store. It would suck getting a port of a game like Sin and Punishment: Star Successor and it would still be markedly better to play it on Wii because of the sensor bar + IR pointing being better (and playing on a CRT being way better than flatscreens).

I also want official TATE mode support, somehow. If I can hold my Switch 2 vertically with Joy-Cons in the right place, that would make shmups like Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun even better, and it would also make potential DS emulation feel good in handheld.

Still though... the Switch is Nintendo's most traditional console in years. The Joy-Cons are quirky, but still rooted in traditional gaming conventions. It's very likely they'd just go out and add analog triggers and call it a day.
 
oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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full wishlist for me in order of what I want most to least is as follows:
1) Better ergonomics, haptics, built-in controller speaker, mic, and triggers, make the buttons go all the way in like every other controller I DESPISE how stiff the joy-con buttons are and how gripless they are, also make the shoulder buttons, not tiny ass slivers I BEG of you Nintendo
2) wide color gamut and/or HDR support, I have zero faith in this happening but god would I love for it to happen
3) better NVENC encoder, the switch's video capture is awful but I love sharing stuff around so I want a massive upgrade to that, 60fps 1080p capture at a solid bitrate, maybe with H.265 would be great and the current encoders in GeForce cards prove that it is easily do-able without much performance cost, full native quality screenshots please.
4) a 1080p screen would be awesome even if unlikely, I am too much of a pixel peeper I think, but I hope all the next console screens are laminated it goes such a long way from the ugly original LCD.
5) menu music, Quarterly eShop music, more Mii integration across system apps, some built-in social features with a Nintendo spin something like 3DS's built-in system apps, just make the console stand out and feel alive, I know we are far beyond the point of this ever happening again but that's still the period of my life that has formed my opinion and love for this company so I still feel some level of love for it even if most people see it as more of a dark time for them

(everything after this point is very much damn near impossible)

6) Built-in stylus for games like Mario Maker and what not, more optional uses of the touch screen in general for menu navigation, i was really upset when i got new horizons and I had to manage the inventory with the analog stick, it's just so slow and clunky, I don't get the apprehension to using the touch screen especially when it can be made optional
7) i would like if they offered 2 sized SKUs again, maybe a 6.2 inch full switch 2 with slim bezels and a 7 inch switch 2 also with slim bezels so you arent forced to go "do i want the one that switches? or the one thats easier to carry around?"
8) Backplates would be really cool too
9) a "DS" mode of sort that streams to the dock, have it be optional and not forced and require no extra accessories, just have it be there so games that work best with touch are still as enjoyable when playing it on the TV, mario maker on wii u was alot more fun to make levels in due to this i believe and the zelda remasters also benefited alot from the second screens on wii u but still offered pro controller options, i dont want this one in particular that much but it would still be very cool to have.
 
oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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What I really want?

Hardware wise, I'll be pretty happy with the performance if it is anything close to the stated rumours, so really, just good battery life, screen quality and hall effect analog sticks. It would be wonderful as well if Nintendo could work in analog triggers or buttons as well, although I don't know how realistic that is. Better d-pad on the pro controllers would be nice. I guess just better controller parts in general.

Software-wise, Switch Streetpass and MiiVerse. Man I really miss those - it was so much fun to take my 3DS to work and come home with a bunch of new Miis, or see the notes left by folks on MiiVerse on my Wii U. Ideally, I would love some sort of native Tomodachi system built into the OS, so your Switch friendlist friends would be in your building and all kinds of zany crap would happen. Oh man I love that game, it's just nuts. 😂 Not going to happen I know, but it would be a great time-sink.
 
oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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Here's my random wish. When you purchase or play a game on the new system, it unlocks the OST in a special app and you can turn your Switch into an MP3 player and play the soundtrack, either individually or building a custom playlist, at any point and time.
 
oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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I want eye tracking. Like, for the purposes of moving an on screen cursor or in-game camera or something. Dual sticks just aren't a good replacement for a mouse, even with gyro. We need to do better.
 
Josh5890 said:
Here's my random wish. When you purchase or play a game on the new system, it unlocks the OST in a special app and you can turn your Switch into an MP3 player and play the soundtrack, either individually or building a custom playlist, at any point and time.
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An amazing suggestion, but probably unlikely, because 'there's money to be made'. Wow, I would absolutely love this though.
 
Skittzo said:
I want eye tracking. Like, for the purposes of moving an on screen cursor or in-game camera or something. Dual sticks just aren't a good replacement for a mouse, even with gyro. We need to do better.
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I hear this is a function on PSVR2 for some games. How well does this work, if at all?
 
oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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A console.

I want them to take the same Switch2 SoC, slap it into a Smol cute little console case, run it at literally just docked speeds, and bundle it with a Pro Controller. I've never had a need for portable mode.


Analog Triggers, Hall Effect joysticks, and more powerful HDRumble would be cool as well.
 
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oldpuck said:
First, thanks everyone who reached out privately. Ya'll are cool.

Second, let's do some speculating/wishing. What do ya'll want from the next console other than performance. Squishy triggers? A 1080p screen? A second screen? New colors? It can be literally anything.

The rules are - reply to this message directly, but no judging each other's picks. No telling folks why it's not possible, or what it's unlikely, or why the shouldn't want it. I just want people to say what they imagine the next thing might have. It's cool if it's a weird niche thing, it's cool if it's boring. Just let me know. I'm a little tired of this rut of "the same but better" and odds are Nintendo has one surprise cooking, and if it's yours, I want to celebrate that you get your weird niche thing!
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Whatever Monolith Soft is cooking next. I need that new IP injected into my fucking SOUL!!!!
 
AshiodyneFX said:
5) menu music, Quarterly eShop music, more Mii integration across system apps, some built-in social features with a Nintendo spin something like 3DS's built-in system apps, just make the console stand out and feel alive, I know we are far beyond the point of this ever happening again but that's still the period of my life that has formed my opinion and love for this company so I still feel some level of love for it even if most people see it as more of a dark time for them
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AshiodyneFX said:
8) Backplates would be really cool too
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These ☝️
AshiodyneFX said:
9) a "DS" mode of sort that streams to the dock, have it be optional and not forced and require no extra accessories, just have it be there so games that work best with touch are still as enjoyable when playing it on the TV, mario maker on wii u was alot more fun to make levels in due to this i believe and the zelda remasters also benefited alot from the second screens on wii u but still offered pro controller options, i dont want this one in particular that much but it would still be very cool to have.
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YES, I was just talking about something like this the other day, how there could be a mode that'd mimic the WiiU in a way. My idea was probably less likely though, which was to have a Drake system docked (so battery life and such isn't an issue), and let it connect and stream to an old Switch or Switch Lite that'd function as a controller with a second screen. I seriously loved that about the WiiU, the way games like Splatoon, Wind Waker, and Xenoblade utilized the gamepad screen for maps and menus, and I miss it on the Switch. Of course it'd mean devs having to build separate UI options into their games because people who don't have a second Switch or play handheld would obviously need a more traditional UI for a single screen, and I doubt anyone would put the time and effort into building an optional second-screen UI but still, it'd be my dream.

Josh5890 said:
Here's my random wish. When you purchase or play a game on the new system, it unlocks the OST in a special app and you can turn your Switch into an MP3 player and play the soundtrack, either individually or building a custom playlist, at any point and time.
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I really like this. Sorta like what they did with Smash, but for all sorts of games!


Edit: sorry @oldpuck, I just now saw the "reply only to you" rule, oops 😅
 
chocolate_supra said:
YES, I was just talking about something like this the other day, how there could be a mode that'd mimic the WiiU in a way. My idea was probably less likely though, which was to have a Drake system docked (so battery life and such isn't an issue), and let it connect and stream to an old Switch or Switch Lite that'd function as a controller with a second screen. I seriously loved that about the WiiU, the way games like Splatoon, Wind Waker, and Xenoblade utilized the gamepad screen for maps and menus, and I miss it on the Switch. Of course it'd mean devs having to build separate UI options into their games because people who don't have a second Switch or play handheld would obviously need a more traditional UI for a single screen, and I doubt anyone would put the time and effort into building an optional second-screen UI but still, it'd be my dream.
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All you’d really need is one console and a dock with a 5GHz radio built into it and for battery life they have the excuse of “If you have a TV around, then you are at home. Plug it in.” Nvidia has baked in hardware encoders to try and lower the load on the system when sending the feed to the TV so it may honestly be more doable on one console than with 2
 
My Tulpa said:
Why wouldn’t Switch Nintendo games released in 2025 also release on the 140 million consoles that will be out there?

I can’t think of any good reason why they wouldn’t.

Unless you are talking about some niche Nintendo game that wants to utilize the tensor cores for some unique AI gameplay rather than using it for what it’s designed to do…take a normal Switch game and use DLSS to output it at 4K at locked 60fps and push better graphical IQ.

Nothing else for 99% of Nintendo gaming will be fundamentally changed from the game design.
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Except it's not just "game design" and has never been... Drake is a generational leap over switch, an actual game made for it will be like fifting TLOU2 in PS3. Not happening, and if it does it will never be the same game, there's only so much Nintendo can afford to downgrade until it's literally not the game they made.
 
LitKai said:
I don't think they will even use "Switch" in the name. I like to call it Switch 2 but they will use a different name to make it clear that it is not another model but a new console.
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I know people have always hated it when I suggest they won’t treat this new model as a typical gen breaking successor…but I feel it’s even a greater leap to think they will position this upgrade as completely separate from the Switch family of devices and it’s own new thing.

The more likely choice is they introduce this as an additional model to the family of devices.

AshiodyneFX said:
Drake is at minimum a 6x leap over switch so it being a pro model is very much so impossible
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The leap in power doesn’t dictate how Nintendo will position it. I would argue the 12SM “wide” structure is more about getting adequate DLSS upscaling to 4K with such a low power draw and low clocks…than anything about it being used as brute power for anything.


Νεφέλωμα said:
I disagree. The jump from Switch to Switch 2 will be like the jump from PS3 to PS4 Pro
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That doesn’t matter concerning how Nintendo positions it. They aren’t going to need to position it like Microsoft or Sony has to position hardware as they are primarily a modern 3rd party gaming platform/set of services.

Nintendo isn’t that. The Switch platform certainly isn’t that.
 
Hmm... What I want most? I guess it might genuinely be a home only version with a pro controller even its only marginally cheaper than a "lite" would be. That's close to off the table I feel.

I would really like a big boost to the online performance. I game on many platforms with fibre internet and nintendo's online is frankly awful, and the game download speed, and the eshop... Its just bad. I don't enjoy using it, and I don't like paying to use it and to rent some old roms. This is on a purely personal level, its clear many people are happy enough with NSO at its current price. It also pretty much translates to "be cheaper and better" which isn't really in the spirit of the question.

I really love local multiplayer, Nintendo's variety of local multiplayer games is its biggest selling point for me. So just releasing a bunch of fun, meaty, and new local multiplayer games would get me on board (maybe even a splatoon game with local co-op on one screen please, I like it alot, but its not the type of game I would play alone in my house). From a hardware perspective, more comfortable joycons would support that, as I don't need to buy a bunch of controllers to play multiplayer.

If there is a "lite" version eventually, I hope they let us "dock" it. Sure, then its not too much different to the base model, but it can't cost substantially more to include the main feature of the switch right, a chip for video output, a slightly more complex assembly/build? I assume most of the cost cutting for the lite was the simplified shell/materials and removal of the joycons/rumble etc. (This is especially good if we have full backcompat with switch controllers/joycon, which we should since the lack of joycon/extra controllers won't be a big deal).
Maybe Nintendo would need to adjust the vent/airflow/cooling solution too much for that to be viable? Now that I think about it, how much does the dock system contribute to the switch experience, what would be wrong with just having a cable/ground/other components without the big plastic shell?

That said, IDK, I think Nintendo would rather I just buy the full price base model and increase profit a teeny bit on the lite. So I don't see that happening either. (A little googling shows it was possible to mod the lite to run on raspberry pi + custom dock, so I guess it was mostly a simplicity/cost decision by nintendo and wasn't hardware based. It doesn't charge at the same time though.
 
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