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Nintendo Live is supplementary to PAX, I doubt PAX would be promoting it if they were having demos at Live instead of PAX itself, the idea is you go to PAX for demos if there are any and can get to Live for tournies/family stuff

So I don't think Live is a fan event at all, I guess the tournaments but with people being raffled in its kinda debatable how serious they'd be
 
Like I said, I think what they publicly show isn't the main reason to attend Gamescom.

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New hardware or not, Nintendo is going to Gamescom with something to show and it wont just be remasters. That's not to say the remasters wont/couldn't happen, but they wont be the meat and potatoes of what Nintendo brings. I am personally hopeful F-Zero GX does get remastered for all those fans who have been neglected for so many years. A new DKC or 2D Mario alongside Prime 4 with a few other titles would be adequate to make an appearance at Gamescom meaningful, but there needs to be that one or two titles that really get peoples attention.
 
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New hardware or not, Nintendo is going to Gamescom with something to show and it wont just be remasters. That's not to say the remasters wont/couldn't happen, but they wont be the meat and potatoes of what Nintendo brings. I am personally hopeful F-Zero GX does get remastered for all those fans who have been neglected for so many years. A new DKC or 2D Mario alongside Prime 4 with a few other titles would be adequate to make an appearance at Gamescom meaningful, but there needs to be that one or two titles that really get peoples attention.
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They are going with the DLCs of Mario Kart, Splatoon and Pokémon.
 
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For everyone that is Team 2024, what is it exactly that you expect Nintendo to show up with at Gamescom? Nintendo hasn't gone to this show in years and it would have been easy for them to pass on it again this year, but they are going this year. Nintendo doesn't not currently have a game dated that wont already be out by the time Gamescom takes place. Are we really to believe Nintendo is going to make the investment to attend this show with a lineup of GameCube remasters and some new DLC? That sounds more like Twitter drop material to me. Even if your confident in no new hardware this year, can we at least agree that it is very odd for Nintendo to decide to return to Gamescom in Switch's seventh year on the market with (currently) no announced and dated games. Until this all changes, I will leave the door open for a late 2023 release



Yep, and its obvious that Nintendo is committed to a smooth transition to their next hardware, and ditching BC would be very foolish. Phil Spencer has gone on record saying that Microsoft is no longer in a position to overtake Sony or Microsoft because gamers became invested in their digital libraries on their preferred consoles during the PS4/Xone generation. He's right too, its harder to migrate to a different platform when you have a large library of games on a different platform. Prior to digital consumers were more accepting of a hard reset with console generations, but in the modern digital world its basically unacceptable. Imagine if Apple locked all your software purchases to the phone that you downloaded them on originally, but Android allowed you to redownload your purchased apps on any device you purchase in the future. This favor Android in a monumental way. Nintendo has a strong history of offering BC on all of its portable devices throughout history and a few of their home consoles supported it as well. Its not just that its important to consumers, its expected.

I feel confident that if a solution for BC wasn't possible with the move to Ampere, Drake would have stuck with Maxwell. A custom SOC using 1024-1536 Maxwell cores matches with 8 A78 CPU cores would still be very capable. Since they have moved to Ampere, it only makes logical sense that Nvidia has solved this problem.
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i believe Nintendo will go to Gamescom 2023 to show the finalized version of Switch sucessor devkit, and maybe Metroid Prime 4 and a brand new 2D Mario/Donkey Kong
 
From now on, I'm team rollercoaster:

Mass production leaked in June.
New revision for Switch announced in July, to boost holiday sales.
First look at Successor in September, only a "coming 2024" mentioned.
January presentation announcement suggesting Q2 release.
January presentation dates it to June 30th.

This is mostly a joke, specially the back to back announcements, but I do find very possible for the Switch to get another revision this year or the next, and I'm definitely skipping 16 pages if it happens before we get Drake announcement.
 
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Maybe, but Nintendo has not been attending Gamescom for quite a few years now. Do you really make your return with a mediocre lineup of games to show off?
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Nintendo was always a strong supporter of the Gamescom and only skipped before 2012. 2022 was the only other one they skipped, 2020 and 2021 were non existing.
But yeah, whenever the REDACTED is getting released, the Gamescom is perfect to present it in a controlled manor to european lower tier partners on mas.
 
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They might have a point tbh

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Switch Sports was the first game to ship on the new EPD engine, and that game is done.

Certainly, Zelda and Splatoon are being built to accommodate still in development patches and DLC, and changes in their overall strategy or philosophy are likely to be reflected in the engine to some degree (it's not nothing that one of the biggest "gimmie them pixels raw" developers is starting to toy around with image reconstruction), but overall it seems likely this new engine primarily represents a consolidation of EPD's communal tech that's probably been in the works for a while. It's probably not wise to read too much specific intent into the choice of engine beyond "it was at an early enough stage of development at EPD when the engine was considered production ready".
 
LitKai said:
HL will sell many Switches.
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I don't think it will. it's a very late game that already made the lion's share of its sales. people who didn't have a system for it probably got one with the initial release and the second. the third is just for people who already have a switch wanting to play it there
 
ILikeFeet said:
I don't think it will. it's a very late game that already made the lion's share of its sales. people who didn't have a system for it probably got one with the initial release and the second. the third is just for people who already have a switch wanting to play it there
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True. I don't know what other game besides TotK will sell many Switches.

The "a bit of a stretch" means they won't be releasing any other "big" games before the Switch U. There's also the Fire Emblem remake and I believe it will be a launch title for the Switch U.
 
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Isn’t this the guy that started the “Nintendo has nothing after TOTK” discourse?
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We live in a society.
LitKai said:
People on the 2023 team don't understand that there is at least 1 year gap between the last Zelda and the release of a new Nintendo console.
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This is literally not even true.



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LitKai said:
There is also Pikmin 4.
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LitKai said:
HL will sell many Switches.
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Nah.
 
Pokemaniac said:
Switch Sports was the first game to ship on the new EPD engine, and that game is done.

Certainly, Zelda and Splatoon are being built to accommodate still in development patches and DLC, and changes in their overall strategy or philosophy are likely to be reflected in the engine to some degree (it's not nothing that one of the biggest "gimmie them pixels raw" developers is starting to toy around with image reconstruction), but overall it seems likely this new engine primarily represents a consolidation of EPD's communal tech that's probably been in the works for a while. It's probably not wise to read too much specific intent into the choice of engine beyond "it was at an early enough stage of development at EPD when the engine was considered production ready".
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I do genuinely think the new engine was built with scalability in mind. Maybe nothing pointing to a new console, but more as a core design philosophy, an engine you can use for a game that makes it easy to scale across multiple hardware configurations (or indeed, generations). This approach bears fruit regardless of new hardware soon or later. It means the engine can take advantage, at least partially, of any new hardware going forward, and presumably also has some level of integration with the "Switching" part of Nintendo Switch, which hasn't always been an easy thing to develop around.
 
Goodtwin said:
I agree with Prime 4 likely being the big dog at the show. With or without new hardware later this year, Prime 4 is positioned to get more press attention than a 2D Mario game would, even though a 2D Mario game would sell better. It could be both though. A new 2D Mario and Prime 4 for later this year would have make a lot of various Nintendo gamers very happy.



Maybe, but Nintendo has not been attending Gamescom for quite a few years now. Do you really make your return with a mediocre lineup of games to show off?


It is similar to E3 but held over in Europe, I believe Germany.



When someone says a product was canceled, to me this means canceled and no longer exist. Making changes to a product, no matter how significant is very different from a canceled project. Especially for hardware that hasn't even been officially announced. I'm sure hardware goes through countless revisions during its design process, but we do not consider those cancelations. So we know that developers were in possession of 4K development kits from Nintendo and they were recalled, but when were they recalled? @NateDrake were you given any indication of when in 2022 Nintendo called back these kits?
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I didn't hear of them losing access to the kits until late spring/early summer 2022 -- May thru July window.
 
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Something that come to my mind recently; maybe there is no TOTK DLC so Zelda EPD team focuses in developing ASAP its next mainline title.

So there can be a first teaser at E3 (or whatever june event) 2025, 2 years after TOTK just its first teaser was revealed at E3 2019, more or less 2 years after BOTW launch. Then have the game ready by early 2027. Be it much smaller scale than TOTK (like BOTW) but with (thanks to new HW) much better graphic quality and dense world.
 
TomNookYankees said:
Nintendo is stretching out their GBA NSO releases to less than 1 new game per month which does suggest how far they are expecting people to wait until the switch successor, but i still say the thing that Nintendo will do to reach their switch hardware sales projection is a $50 price drop.
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NSO game additions is entirely irrelevant to the timing of the new generation with the exception, maybe, of it coinciding with GCN NSO. Possibly.

These apps and all the games they've added so far will still work on the next system, and they will continue to get new games added.
 
boodream said:
It is precisely for all these reasons that 2D Mario or 2D DK is the most logical choice for the end of 2023. This is exactly the kind of game that does not need the new resources and will not be used to highlight them, unlike 3D Mario, Metroid Prime 4, the next Mario kart, Animal Crossing or Smash Bros among others.

This is the ideal compromise to continue to feed the release calendar with a title that will excite people thanks to the movie without depriving the next hardware of titles that will motivate the public to buy it.

I really don’t understand that so many people continue to trust a vague tweet that explains that Nintendo will stop releasing games and become an NBA franchise rather than Nintendo’s own financial report that explains counting on the future release of games on the current switch to reach its target of 15 million units sold.

On the subject of digital foundry, I’m a little worried that they have tackled completely secondary topics such as the release date of the console or the power of it instead of insisting heavily on the most important point: Nintendo should really use anti-aliasing.
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I'm totally fine if they don't address AA. I have classic mcable for that :⁠-⁠)
TomNookYankees said:
Like I said, I think any “crossgen” from Nintendo will mainly be that they continue to release a few more sub60-FPS Switch games that run 60FPS/1440p on REDACTED.

My guess is that they will have to drop the price of the Switch by $50 and that the price drop plus one more major first party switch game and a bunch of DLC will be enough to reach their hardware and software projections. So long as they have a good enough 2023 holiday season and are releasing their next console before 2025 then that will likely be enough.
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Yeah I'm kinda (50%) expecting a $50 p rice drop too.


EdFiftyNine said:


Isn’t this the guy that started the “Nintendo has nothing after TOTK” discourse?
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I mean I don't exactly need it and have a backlog to catch up too (OT2, Totk, MPR, and half a dozen other games I will know I will never beat) .
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Why would it be multiplat? The idea is that it releases only in the switch to help it hit that 15M number, not take it away.
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I listed 3 possible scenarios a few pages back. That's one of them (imo). It wouldn't hurt to have that Mario game on Drake as well, whether Drake comes out this fall or not. It's easy money for them. But in case Drake doesn't come out this holiday season, Mario+ a price drop could help it get close to 15 million total this year.
LitKai said:
People on the 2023 team don't understand that there is at least 1 year gap between the last Zelda and the release of a new Nintendo console.
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There's several Zelda games that contradict this.. Notably two Zelda cross gen that came out within 3 months of each other (TP Wii/GC and Botw Wii U/Switch comes to mind). Someone mentioned Minish Cap as well.

But anyway, we're in uncharted territory. Drake/Switch 2 could come out anywhere as soon as between Q4 2023 - Q1 2024, and there would be a very good chance that Totk with better performance and resolution would be supported on day 1.
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Something that come to my mind recently; maybe there is no TOTK DLC so Zelda EPD team focuses in developing ASAP its next mainline title.

So there can be a first teaser at E3 (or whatever june event) 2025, 2 years after TOTK just its first teaser was revealed at E3 2019, more or less 2 years after BOTW launch. Then have the game ready by early 2027. Be it much smaller scale than TOTK (like BOTW) but with (thanks to new HW) much better graphic quality and dense world.
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I dunno. I think it will be more than likely we'll get DLC for TOTK, considering the trend with the last two Zelda games (AOC a spin off though). It's easy money for them as well. We'll probably here about it month or by the end of summer.

I also think it's very likely they the next Zelda game is gonna be a remaster or remake of an older Zelda game. TP HD, WW HD, and other already released Zelda games are gonna be fillers until their next new Zelda game.
 
Goodtwin said:
No sense in tons of compute performance if memory bandwidth will be the limiting factor.
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Well, we know the CPU/GPU for the SoC thanks to the NVIDIA hack.

8 A78C CPU cores (Maybe the off-chance of X1), and 12SMs of Something related to Ampere with the Orin OFA is locked in if it's using Drake.

And considering Drake's only other mention beyond the Linux Kernel (Which confirms the CPU) is inside the API literally called NVN2 that seems like it's the 99% case.

And considering the SoC is likely too big for Samsung 8N, that would probably put it on a process node where its clock curve would be higher than OG Switch clocks when docked.
Therefore it would likely be in the ~3+TFLOP range docked, as even a 1GHz GPU clock would make it 3TFLOPs. 1.3 GHz virtually reaching 4TFLOPs with how big the GPU actually is.

So this thing will be a Compute monster in regards to Perf/Size (ARM helping bring the size/wattage down a lot CPU side, and NVIDIA's architecture being more efficient than AMDs likely too)

Not saying that Memory Bandwidth won't be a limiting factor, but saying that we pretty much know that this thing will be a (relative) compute juggernaut vs other devices in the space. Probably would actually do compute processes better than Series S due to the Tensor Cores being better than that if you threw Drake into a device intended for scientific stuff.
 
TomNookYankees said:
Nintendo is stretching out their GBA NSO releases to less than 1 new game per month which does suggest how far they are expecting people to wait until the switch successor
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I don't see a connection. Whether Redacted releases this month or 2025, they're still in the same position of wanting to stretch out their retro releases as long as they can get away with, being a pretty finite resource.
 
ShadowFox08 said:
Yeah I'm kinda (50%) expecting a $50 p rice drop too.
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I'm expecting the prices to change in simple but considerable ways. OLED Model will drop $50 to 300 dollars, the original HAC-001(-01) model phased out from sale completely, and Lite kept at $199.99.

This simplifies things hugely for them, and there are components no longer being manufactured that the original model (V2) needs. I doubt they would bother to issue even a tiny revision to integrate newer parts when they already have a refresh on the market with OLED Model.

This also makes space in the pricing scheme for the new system in a super simple way.

199 for the Lite
299 for the OLED
399 for the "New Nintendo Switch"

This isn't unlike the pricing scheme Nintendo had around Switch's launch, with Switch, New 3DS XL and 2DS.

I'd say my confidence for OLED price drop and V2 being phased out is about 80%.

Much like 3DS had New 2DS XL and Wii had Wii Mini, I'd say there's a 60-70% chance of a cheaper model of Tegra X1+ based Switch launching within a year of the new system. I'd say this could either be an OLED Lite at 199.99 to replace the Lite (akin to New 2DS XL), or a Switch TV device that's digital only, set-top, and tiny, launching at 99.99 or 119.99, coming with just a Pro Controller. Targeting the last dregs of people who held out on Switch, as well as developing markets.
 
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