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[Eclissi]

Winter is coming

 

[fwd-bwd]

I'm not sure this much energy is warranted on the definition of "winter". It seems rather unlikely that the Pokemon SV patch—if the rumor is even real—would be a day 1 release accompanying the Switch 2 launch:

"Please buy our shiny new console! So your broken Pokemon game will be less broken!"

That's hardly a compelling sales pitch, is it? IMHO the release date of Pokemon DLC or patch doesn't have any bearing on the Switch 2 launch date. (Not that it wouldn't be patched, but perhaps after the console release.)

 

[Kazuyamishima]

I'm not sure this much energy is warranted on the definition of "winter". It seems rather unlikely that the Pokemon SV patch—if the rumor is even real—would be a day 1 release accompanying the Switch 2 launch:

"Please buy our shiny new console! So your broken Pokemon game will be less broken!"

That's hardly a compelling sales pitch, is it? IMHO the release date of Pokemon DLC or patch doesn't have any bearing on the Switch 2 launch date. (Not that it wouldn't be patched, but perhaps after the console release.)
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Pokemon fans would definitely buy a new console just for pokemon even if it's just the same game. They're usually insane you see it time and time again year after year. They defend any mistake and say it doesn't matter until it's patched and then "it matters and it's so nice!!"

 

[Eclissi]

I'm not sure this much energy is warranted on the definition of "winter". It seems rather unlikely that the Pokemon SV patch—if the rumor is even real—would be a day 1 release accompanying the Switch 2 launch:

"Please buy our shiny new console! So your broken Pokemon game will be less broken!"

That's hardly a compelling sales pitch, is it? IMHO the release date of Pokemon DLC or patch doesn't have any bearing on the Switch 2 launch date. (Not that it wouldn't be patched, but perhaps after the console release.)
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Of course, if we take the leak as legit, the hypothesis is that the new console comes out no later than the rumored graphics patch.

 

[LiC]

I'm not sure this much energy is warranted on the definition of "winter". It seems rather unlikely that the Pokemon SV patch—if the rumor is even real—would be a day 1 release accompanying the Switch 2 launch:

"Please buy our shiny new console! So your broken Pokemon game will be less broken!"

That's hardly a compelling sales pitch, is it? IMHO the release date of Pokemon DLC or patch doesn't have any bearing on the Switch 2 launch date. (Not that it wouldn't be patched, but perhaps after the console release.)
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SV performance fixes and graphical enhancement are two separate subjects, and if the latter happened it would just one thing available at or near hardware launch, not treated like a centerpiece. Still, the much more likely reason it made it into this rumor is just because a connection was needed between the DLC content in the Presents and new hardware, to make the fake info believable. :p

 

[Hermii]

We're giving whoever made this thing up, exactly what they want. Pages of speculation, taking this seriously. I bet they're reading this and having a blast.

 

[Wockio]

tbh both Portuguese (Portugal) and Brazilian PRs states that 1st part will come this year (spring) and the 2nd "in a later date" and not winter 2023 as was been stated in the Presents

Latin America's PR statement says Teal Mask is dated for the final trimester of 2023 and Indigo Disk (could be) towards the end of 2023.
October and December, maybe?

 

[LiC]

We're giving whoever made this thing up, exactly what they want. Pages of speculation, taking this seriously. I bet they're reading this and having a blast.

I mean... so? Speculating over rumors that we assume are fake can still be fun. And for me at least, the point of this thread is to have fun while waiting for news (or verifiable leaked info). So most of the discussion, I don't see any differently than if someone made a pure opinion post like "what if Scarlet/Violet were getting an enhancement patch along with the DLC?"

Latin America's PR statement says Teal Mask is dated for the final trimester of 2023 and Indigo Disk towards the end of 2023.
October and December, maybe?

I gotta say I'm loving all the different lenses of translation for the same thing.

 

[chocolate_supra]

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We're giving whoever made this thing up, exactly what they want. Pages of speculation, taking this seriously. I bet they're reading this and having a blast.

Actually what we're giving them is pages of discussion over when exactly winter is

 

[LiC]

Actually what we're giving them is pages of discussion over when exactly winter is

 

[Z0m3le]

February 2024 makes more sense for the Pokemon DLC2 just because DLC1 is launching Fall 2023 so that's probably September or October.

Would be weird to launch DLC1 in September and DLC2 in November.

I don't think we should really care which month it comes, the window is clearly November 2023-March 2024, considering all the creditable leaks we do have, this lines up with production times, which is either starting in April/May or August/September.

I think the one big thing we do have to take into account is Nintendo's direct announced nothing for 2H, and Nintendo usually does fill out info, now we have Pikmin 4 in July as the last slated game for Switch, I assume we will get a direct in June or July that will detail the 2H of the year, before that Pikmin release. That could introduce new hardware, but I do think it's actually quite possible that Nintendo will introduce a Switch mini for this year and ride out the holidays with the current Switch, announce Switch 2 in January, heck maybe even in December at the game awards if they are really bold, and we could see it in Feb or March... March 1st 2024 is a Friday, and just 2 days before Switch's 7th birthday on the market, not a bad time to release it.

At this point, when Nintendo release date is a choice, the window is small, software should be ready, and ultimately the difference isn't big. It's easier to launch in the holiday months because you can stuff shelves, but putting it in March can still address this FY and soften next year's reduction in profits thanks to no Mario Movie. Then again, announcing at the end of this FY that "Switch 2" has sold 10 Million units between November 2023 and March 31st 2024, would be quite a crazy statement to make for Nintendo with profits down thanks to no Mario movie.

 

[Bosintang]

I've been an early 2024 believer, or possibly later 2023, way before it was cool around these parts. Therefore, from that point on, my confirmation bias will push me to give credence to whatever bullshit rumor spreads on the internet.
Nintendo needs a big game for their new generation. As they still haven't announced what will come around November, I'm willing to entertain those 4chan rumors.

However, I remain convinced that early 2024 is likelier, and I think that either Mario 2D, Donkey Kong or MP4 will be the Christmas games on switch, and the last hurrah of this great console.

 

[Concernt]

I've been an early 2024 believer, or possibly later 2023, way before it was cool around these parts. Therefore, from that point on, my confirmation bias will push me to give credence to whatever bullshit rumor spreads on the internet.
Nintendo needs a big game for their new generation. As they still haven't announced what will come around November, I'm willing to entertain those 4chan rumors.

However, I remain convinced that early 2024 is likelier, and I think that either Mario 2D, Donkey Kong or MP4 will be the Christmas games on switch, and the last hurrah of this great console.

I'm still in the earlier the better camp. As early as August. No later than December. I won't rethread my reasons unless someone asks.

 

[HankyPanky]

would be amazing if all systems are go later this year. either November or March seem like the next possible moments for a Drizzle Switch.

in times of uncertainty be sure that Factory Uncles will provide clarity.

 

[Concernt]

would be amazing if all systems are go later this year. either November or March seem like the next possible moments for a Drizzle Switch.

in times of uncertainty be sure that Factory Uncles will provide clarity.

I don't mean this as a dig towards anyone in particular, but the assumption that "insiders" or "funcles" should have anything deferred to them I find unhelpful. When they back up one another it's a good indicator of the direction things are going, but outside of that they're just another source of rumours.

To me the really valuable stuff that I'm basing my predictions on would be the leaks from Nvidia and the Linux updates, and the most reliable of all; datamines.

Datamines show evidence of the new system just like they did the OLED in early 2021. Getting more and more numerous every update.

Between that and their intentionality blank H2 2023 slate marketing wise, H2 2023 seems extremely likely.

Factory uncles do, thankfully, back that up, as does this 4chan rumour. So I'm less skeptical of that rumour than some. It lines up with rumours from funcles that have been correct before, and with the facts we know.

 

[Aether]

honestly, im lost in this thread.
I really don't think this "leak" warrants that much thinking, its lacking any substance, and do we really care that much if its December or February?
Seems kinda pointless to me. (honest opinion: when part 1 is fall, im expecting 4-5 months between the 2, so probably early 24. but i...just don't care. about that difference. (and December is usually full to the brim for me)

 

[Concernt]

honestly, im lost in this thread.
I really don't think this "leak" warrants that much thinking, its lacking any substance, and do we really care that much if its December or February?
Seems kinda pointless to me. (honest opinion: when part 1 is fall, im expecting 4-5 months between the 2, so probably early 24. but i...just don't care. about that difference. (and December is usually full to the brim for me)

Nintendo said: 2023
"Probably early 2024" isn't just an uncharitable reading, it's not what they said at all.

Remember Fall starts as soon as September 1st(Metrological Autumn).
A season is 3 months.
3 months after September is December.

My expectations would be late September/Early October and mid December, personally.

 

[Z0m3le]

honestly, im lost in this thread.
I really don't think this "leak" warrants that much thinking, its lacking any substance, and do we really care that much if its December or February?
Seems kinda pointless to me. (honest opinion: when part 1 is fall, im expecting 4-5 months between the 2, so probably early 24. but i...just don't care. about that difference. (and December is usually full to the brim for me)

Yes, I don't think the exact time matters, as long as the window of November 2023 through March 2024 is legit, and it seems to be based on all the hard information we have, trusting secondary sources that agree with this window isn't the biggest deal. Personally those 5 months is narrow enough for me. I don't need an exact date until they are ready to announce it.

 

[Thugstas]

 

[Bosintang]

I'm still in the earlier the better camp. As early as August. No later than December. I won't rethread my reasons unless someone asks.

My current reasoning:
1. They need in my opinion at least 6 month of marketing cycle both for the console AND the inevitable tentpole, exclusive game to be released alongside (Mario 3D). 9 months would be good too. It's the first Nintendo generation in more than 6 years after all, and the follow up to the most successful console of all times (more than the PS2 and DS if you ask me).
2. Mario Kart DLC finishes at the end of the year and I remain convinced that a new Mario Kart will be part of the said marketing cycle, although I expect that new Mario to not necessarily be day 1 with the console. However, Mario Kart 9 or 10 will definitely be there within the first 6-12 months of the console, considering the sales' profile of that franchise.
3. Zelda was a good opportunity to push the new console (but not as good as this topic used to think) and they decided to pass on that as I expected. I still expect some 3D Zelda on release though, because it works so well with a new generation, and I thus think that the Zelda DLC will release with the new console (and will be a much beefier DLC than what we got for BOTW).
4. There are still games which I expect to release on the current Switch before the new generation, namely Mario 2D and Metroid Prime 4. I think that end of 2023 is a great spot for both games.
5. 2024 sounds good going by the development cycles. They could have a new Smash Bros and top-down Zelda by 2025, a new Animal Crossing and Monolith game by 2026 etc...

Indidvidually, none of those points are strong indications of a 2024 release, but taken together, they fit well in a narrative which appeared to me in a dream. And if people with a Twitter account and/or a Youtube channel can create narratives out of thin air, there's no reason why I couldn't. And I won't ask money for it.

 

[Thugstas]

I see Nintendo releasing their new switch before Sakura’s ceremony

 

[Aether]

My current reasoning:
1. They need in my opinion at least 6 month of marketing cycle both for the console AND the inevitable tentpole, exclusive game to be released alongside (Mario 3D). 9 months would be good too. It's the first Nintendo generation in more than 6 years after all, and the follow up to the most successful console of all times (more than the PS2 and DS if you ask me).
2. Mario Kart DLC finishes at the end of the year and I remain convinced that a new Mario Kart will be part of the said marketing cycle, although I expect that new Mario to not necessarily be day 1 with the console. However, Mario Kart 9 or 10 will definitely be there within the first 6-12 months of the console, considering the sales' profile of that franchise.
3. Zelda was a good opportunity to push the new console (but not as good as this topic used to think) and they decided to pass on that as I expected. I still expect some 3D Zelda on release though, because it works so well with a new generation, and I thus think that the Zelda DLC will release with the new console (and will be a much beefier DLC than what we got for BOTW).
4. There are still games which I expect to release on the current Switch before the new generation, namely Mario 2D and Metroid Prime 4. I think that end of 2023 is a great spot for both games.
5. 2024 sounds good going by the development cycles. They could have a new Smash Bros and top-down Zelda by 2025, a new Animal Crossing and Monolith game by 2026 etc...

Indidvidually, none of those points are strong indications of a 2024 release, but taken together, they fit well in a narrative which appeared to me in a dream. And if people with a Twitter account and/or a Youtube channel can create narratives out of thin air, there's no reason why I couldn't. And I won't ask money for it.

i still cant get a MK near launch anouncement, when they only finished the new content for the last one. Where did they do something like that?
And would it really be such a hype thing if the DLC was running for such a long time with new content (even if many of the levels where reused from tour)

i think we just have to disagree here.

Nintendo said: 2023
"Probably early 2024" isn't just an uncharitable reading, it's not what they said at all.

Remember Fall starts as soon as September 1st(Metrological Autumn).
A season is 3 months.
3 months after September is December.

My expectations would be late September/Early October and mid December, personally.

didn't pokemon japan say winter2024? Thats how i understood the confusion? Never the less. i simply dont are about 3vs 4 vs 5 months to be honest. And i feel like 3 months is so close for 2 sizable dlcs, but whatever, with their production pipeline i would not even be suprized if its 1 month between them. september and december sound fine by me.

Yes, I don't think the exact time matters, as long as the window of November 2023 through March 2024 is legit, and it seems to be based on all the hard information we have, trusting secondary sources that agree with this window isn't the biggest deal. Personally those 5 months is narrow enough for me. I don't need an exact date until they are ready to announce it.

but... is it actually new information? do we know that the console has to come out in the same time frame?
Maybe they are starting to advertise it in fall/winter, and want to use pokemon for that, and because of that it gets a patch, even before launch? or the console is already launched in say mid September, and the patch is actually for the whole dlc, which is why they haven't shown in game footage.

It just feels as if the chances for a late 2023 early 2024 release was as high as it is now with that leak.

 

[Bosintang]

i still cant get a MK near launch anouncement, when they only finished the new content for the last one. Where did they do something like that?
And would it really be such a hype thing if the DLC was running for such a long time with new content (even if many of the levels where reused from tour)

Whatever Mario Kart they release next will have to be VERY different, and has already been worked on for several years. The DLC probably didn't require much work, and was just a filler to milk the cow until the last drop and push people to upgrade their online subscription.

Additionally, considering that Mario Kart sales are insane throughout the entire life of a console, not releaseing a Mario Kart early would be a mistake that even crazy Nintendo wouldn't do.

 

[Concernt]

i still cant get a MK near launch anouncement, when they only finished the new content for the last one. Where did they do something like that?
And would it really be such a hype thing if the DLC was running for such a long time with new content (even if many of the levels where reused from tour)

i think we just have to disagree here.

didn't pokemon japan say winter2024? Thats how i understood the confusion? Never the less. i simply dont are about 3vs 4 vs 5 months to be honest. And i feel like 3 months is so close for 2 sizable dlcs, but whatever, with their production pipeline i would not even be suprized if its 1 month between them. september and december sound fine by me.

but... is it actually new information? do we know that the console has to come out in the same time frame?
Maybe they are starting to advertise it in fall/winter, and want to use pokemon for that, and because of that it gets a patch, even before launch? or the console is already launched in say mid September, and the patch is actually for the whole dlc, which is why they haven't shown in game footage.

It just feels as if the chances for a late 2023 early 2024 release was as high as it is now with that leak.

The Japan account said 2023, too.

 

[Z0m3le]

i still cant get a MK near launch anouncement, when they only finished the new content for the last one. Where did they do something like that?
And would it really be such a hype thing if the DLC was running for such a long time with new content (even if many of the levels where reused from tour)

i think we just have to disagree here.

didn't pokemon japan say winter2024? Thats how i understood the confusion? Never the less. i simply dont are about 3vs 4 vs 5 months to be honest. And i feel like 3 months is so close for 2 sizable dlcs, but whatever, with their production pipeline i would not even be suprized if its 1 month between them. september and december sound fine by me.

but... is it actually new information? do we know that the console has to come out in the same time frame?
Maybe they are starting to advertise it in fall/winter, and want to use pokemon for that, and because of that it gets a patch, even before launch? or the console is already launched in say mid September, and the patch is actually for the whole dlc, which is why they haven't shown in game footage.

It just feels as if the chances for a late 2023 early 2024 release was as high as it is now with that leak.

The hard information I'm talking about isn't the pokemon leak. I'm talking about the Nvidia leak, and Linux information, which revealed that the SoC was physically completed in August 2022, production of whatever product that is used for, has to start within the following 12 months. Production times for PS4 and PS5 were April for a November release, Production times for Switch was October for a March release. Also there was only 4.5 months between the announcement for Switch and the release of Switch to the market. Switch 2 will likely be announced around the time it goes into production, which is sometime between April and September this year.

Pokemon is secondary information, Factory Uncle's information about where production is, only strengthens the hard info above... Both do not really change anything, though if Pokemon leaker is to be believed word for word from a machine translation, Switch 2 is coming November this year... I really don't think we need to narrow it down from that 5 month window of November-March though.

 

[eye0h]

We're giving whoever made this thing up, exactly what they want. Pages of speculation, taking this seriously. I bet they're reading this and having a blast.

This is a speculation forum with 872 pages.

 

[Aether]

The hard information I'm talking about isn't the pokemon leak. I'm talking about the Nvidia leak, and Linux information, which revealed that the SoC was physically completed in August 2022, production of whatever product that is used for, has to start within the following 12 months. Production times for PS4 and PS5 were April for a November release, Production times for Switch was October for a March release. Also there was only 4.5 months between the announcement for Switch and the release of Switch to the market. Switch 2 will likely be announced around the time it goes into production, which is sometime between April and September this year.

Pokemon is secondary information, Factory Uncle's information about where production is, only strengthens the hard info above... Both do not really change anything, though if Pokemon leaker is to be believed word for word from a machine translation, Switch 2 is coming November this year... I really don't think we need to narrow it down from that 5 month window of November-March though.

ok yeah, that's where im at. We know enough, that its either late this year or early next year, and im fine either way, as long as its not like 12 months in the future. So...march would sting, but that's the farthest i see it being, in my book its the FY from march on.

Whatever Mario Kart they release next will have to be VERY different, and has already been worked on for several years. The DLC probably didn't require much work, and was just a filler to milk the cow until the last drop and push people to upgrade their online subscription.

Additionally, considering that Mario Kart sales are insane throughout the entire life of a console, not releaseing a Mario Kart early would be a mistake that even crazy Nintendo wouldn't do.

while that's not wrong, i see it not in the first 12 months. month 13-30 is where i see it, in the second year, latest first half of third year.
Meaning we will have at least a full year pause between DLC and MKX.

The Japan account said 2023, too.

Oh, my bad then. I've see so much misinformation on the pokemon presentation (kinda funny, on a forum that watches every move nintendo takes, and patents and stuff), and then i fell for this myself.

 

[Zaimokuza]

1. They need in my opinion at least 6 month of marketing cycle both for the console AND the inevitable tentpole, exclusive game to be released alongside (Mario 3D). 9 months would be good too. It's the first Nintendo generation in more than 6 years after all, and the follow up to the most successful console of all times (more than the PS2 and DS if you ask me).

People keep saying this, that they need half a year, or more than a year to announce the console and market it, but I think it's an outdated point of view from when information travelled slower and digital events weren't so ubiquitous.

If the new console is what we all seem to agree it is, an iterative update, they can reveal it in a (digital) event two or three months before and open preorders immediately.

Let me digress a little: the americans have nintendo.com, a single website for everything, but elsewhere things are different. In Europe we have two different websites: nintendo.it, the old one that only has software, and store.nintendo.it, a new one that only has Switch related hardware, software and merchandise (put different country domains at the end, that's not the point). I think that after March, when the other eshops go down, the old website will be replaced by the new one, that is being readied to support the next generation console.

They can make their event and immediately have the console available for preorder on the new website. I think they'll push it hard in the next gen (maybe even discontinuing the frankly useless my.nintendo).

They need to be organized, but they don't need to explain the product. Everyone in the target audience knows what a Switch is, the just need to flood the world with advertising for a month before and after release like they did for the original

 

[Bosintang]

People keep saying this, that they need half a year,

They don't. I say this, not "people". The majority of this thread, or at least a substantial number of members, is of the opinion that a short marketing cycle is likely. You even have some "people" who still believed in a late 2022 release back in September... 2022.

I'm of the opinion that it's specifically because the console won't be groundbreaking in any other way than computing power that Nintendo needs a bit of time to explain us why we should upgrade.

Also, I expect a big exclusive game to release alongside the console. Big games have marketing cycles above 6 months. Smash, Zelda, Mario, Animal Crossing, Luigi's mansion etc.
Nintendo won't reveal a 3D Mario and release it 2 months later. At least, I don't believe they would.

 

[Aether]

People keep saying this, that they need half a year, or more than a year to announce the console and market it, but I think it's an outdated point of view from when information travelled slower and digital events weren't so ubiquitous.

If the new console is what we all seem to agree it is, an iterative update, they can reveal it in a (digital) event two or three months before and open preorders immediately.

Let me digress a little: the americans have nintendo.com, a single website for everything, but elsewhere things are different. In Europe we have two different websites: nintendo.it, the old one that only has software, and store.nintendo.it, a new one that only has Switch related hardware, software and merchandise (put different country domains at the end, that's not the point). I think that after March, when the other eshops go down, the old website will be replaced by the new one, that is being readied to support the next generation console.

They can make their event and immediately have the console available for preorder on the new website. I think they'll push it hard in the next gen (maybe even discontinuing the frankly useless my.nintendo).

They need to be organized, but they don't need to explain the product. Everyone in the target audience knows what a Switch is, the just need to flood the world with advertising for a month before and after release like they did for the original

good point on the website infrastructure. That one, at least outside the us, is somewhat confusing. A revamp to have people interact more with the eshop and order hardware from their side directly could be a great benefit for nintendo... essentially the apple/google model.
Meaning: anouncement and release in a <3 months window.

We know that that means, there will be leaks (from the accessory manufacturer side). Maybe they are less fine with that then say apple,
meaning a 6 month windows is probably more to be expected, essentially when manufacturing starts and leaks could not be kept under control.

I would be really happy, if
a) through this site i am aware of an announcement and opening of preorders (before bots can be optimized hopefully)
b) if preorders made from switch hardware via eshop get preferential treatment --> kind of a way to reduce scalpers getting preorders in

i mean, since the communication is over https and webservice calls, i assume there is an possibility to emulate the agent that the switch sends as an end user agend, but then again, nintendo could verify with some user/account data?

All this speculation, and then nobody of us knows if we will be able to get a console in the first few months anyway xD

 

[Concernt]

People keep saying this, that they need half a year, or more than a year to announce the console and market it, but I think it's an outdated point of view from when information travelled slower and digital events weren't so ubiquitous.

If the new console is what we all seem to agree it is, an iterative update, they can reveal it in a (digital) event two or three months before and open preorders immediately.

Let me digress a little: the americans have nintendo.com, a single website for everything, but elsewhere things are different. In Europe we have two different websites: nintendo.it, the old one that only has software, and store.nintendo.it, a new one that only has Switch related hardware, software and merchandise (put different country domains at the end, that's not the point). I think that after March, when the other eshops go down, the old website will be replaced by the new one, that is being readied to support the next generation console.

They can make their event and immediately have the console available for preorder on the new website. I think they'll push it hard in the next gen (maybe even discontinuing the frankly useless my.nintendo).

They need to be organized, but they don't need to explain the product. Everyone in the target audience knows what a Switch is, the just need to flood the world with advertising for a month before and after release like they did for the original

In an earlier post I briefly compiled a list of recent changes to their marketing and distribution strategy. I am glad I am not the only one who noticed.

 

[Angel Whispers]

People keep saying this, that they need half a year, or more than a year to announce the console and market it, but I think it's an outdated point of view from when information travelled slower and digital events weren't so ubiquitous.

If the new console is what we all seem to agree it is, an iterative update, they can reveal it in a (digital) event two or three months before and open preorders immediately.

Let me digress a little: the americans have nintendo.com, a single website for everything, but elsewhere things are different. In Europe we have two different websites: nintendo.it, the old one that only has software, and store.nintendo.it, a new one that only has Switch related hardware, software and merchandise (put different country domains at the end, that's not the point). I think that after March, when the other eshops go down, the old website will be replaced by the new one, that is being readied to support the next generation console.

They can make their event and immediately have the console available for preorder on the new website. I think they'll push it hard in the next gen (maybe even discontinuing the frankly useless my.nintendo).

They need to be organized, but they don't need to explain the product. Everyone in the target audience knows what a Switch is, the just need to flood the world with advertising for a month before and after release like they did for the original

Very good post. For years in the mobile space, we've seen both Apple and Samsung reveal new phones at their events, and launch them within a month, if not weeks of their announcements. The idea that months are needed is a very dated one. Ultimately, improvements in communication across the board are the most critical here.

 

[Hairway to Steven]

People keep saying this, that they need half a year, or more than a year to announce the console and market it, but I think it's an outdated point of view from when information travelled slower and digital events weren't so ubiquitous.

If the new console is what we all seem to agree it is, an iterative update, they can reveal it in a (digital) event two or three months before and open preorders immediately.

Let me digress a little: the americans have nintendo.com, a single website for everything, but elsewhere things are different. In Europe we have two different websites: nintendo.it, the old one that only has software, and store.nintendo.it, a new one that only has Switch related hardware, software and merchandise (put different country domains at the end, that's not the point). I think that after March, when the other eshops go down, the old website will be replaced by the new one, that is being readied to support the next generation console.

They can make their event and immediately have the console available for preorder on the new website. I think they'll push it hard in the next gen (maybe even discontinuing the frankly useless my.nintendo).

They need to be organized, but they don't need to explain the product. Everyone in the target audience knows what a Switch is, the just need to flood the world with advertising for a month before and after release like they did for the original

And games. They need games too.

But I'm sure they'll have games.

 

[Aether]

And games. They need games too.

But I'm sure they'll have games.

what are games? we only need hardware. looking at the OS in glorious 1440p

 

[Gianko]

But why there are no speculation about 1440p in Bate Kaitos?

 

[Cybergatuno]

People keep saying this, that they need half a year, or more than a year to announce the console and market it, but I think it's an outdated point of view from when information travelled slower and digital events weren't so ubiquitous.

If the new console is what we all seem to agree it is, an iterative update, they can reveal it in a (digital) event two or three months before and open preorders immediately.

Let me digress a little: the americans have nintendo.com, a single website for everything, but elsewhere things are different. In Europe we have two different websites: nintendo.it, the old one that only has software, and store.nintendo.it, a new one that only has Switch related hardware, software and merchandise (put different country domains at the end, that's not the point). I think that after March, when the other eshops go down, the old website will be replaced by the new one, that is being readied to support the next generation console.

They can make their event and immediately have the console available for preorder on the new website. I think they'll push it hard in the next gen (maybe even discontinuing the frankly useless my.nintendo).

They need to be organized, but they don't need to explain the product. Everyone in the target audience knows what a Switch is, the just need to flood the world with advertising for a month before and after release like they did for the original

Very good post. For years in the mobile space, we've seen both Apple and Samsung reveal new phones at their events, and launch them within a month, if not weeks of their announcements. The idea that months are needed is a very dated one. Ultimately, improvements in communication across the board are the most critical here.

Metroid Prime Remastered took 2 weeks from announcement to physical release. Nobody leaked it from retail.

[Redacted] would need more shelf space and promotional events booked in advance, but for retailers it may as well be a new book from a prominent author, or a new Bluetooth speaker, they don't care. They just want to sell. It's in their interest to quickly setup those events.

I can't imagine any hard reason for Nintendo to need more than 1 month between announcement and release. It could even be lower if they take care of global shipping themselves, in the shadows before announcement. They don't need years to market it, it's gonna sell out for months anyway.

I can however imagine quite a few reasons to go for a very short marketing cycle. Preventing the death of current sales for months is one of them.

 

[Thraktor]

SV performance fixes and graphical enhancement are two separate subjects, and if the latter happened it would just one thing available at or near hardware launch, not treated like a centerpiece. Still, the much more likely reason it made it into this rumor is just because a connection was needed between the DLC content in the Presents and new hardware, to make the fake info believable. :p

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[Dakhil]

Very good post. For years in the mobile space, we've seen both Apple and Samsung reveal new phones at their events, and launch them within a month, if not weeks of their announcements. The idea that months are needed is a very dated one. Ultimately, improvements in communication across the board are the most critical here.

Keep in mind that many rumours and leaks about Apple's and Samsung's smartphones also tend to circulate throughout the Internet well before being officially announced by Apple and Samsung.

I'm not sure if Nintendo's willing to have many rumours and leaks about Nintendo's new hardware circulate around the Internet before being officially announced. (Nintendo has no control over the illegal Nvidia leaks. And I don't believe the factory rumours fwd_bwd has been sharing has circulated throughout the Internet, but is limited to a couple of forums.)

 

[Z0m3le]

SV performance fixes and graphical enhancement are two separate subjects, and if the latter happened it would just one thing available at or near hardware launch, not treated like a centerpiece. Still, the much more likely reason it made it into this rumor is just because a connection was needed between the DLC content in the Presents and new hardware, to make the fake info believable. :p

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So I've been on the fence about it, thinking about the leak pretty much all day, I think it's real. The launch window for "Switch 2" is November 2023 - March 2024 anyways IMO, just too much going on from real leaks and public info to see it further out than 12 months, but my reasoning about the Pokemon leaker not faking the Switch 2 info is simple, maybe too much so... If you have all this correct info, and you wanted to make up Switch 2 info like this, why would you do it in a single 4chan post? why wouldn't you put it out on Twitter, or Here, or any bigger outlet, why wouldn't you attach a name to it too, so you could make more fake leaks between now and fall?

Someone who is going to make up something like that with all that good info, is going to attach themselves to it, so they can ride it out with more fake leaks, they want to be at the center for the attention, this is someone who pretty much can't really capitalize on it, and even if they could now, 4chan always leaks info, it's just that most of the posts are made up, so it's a needle in a haystack, even after the fact, so why risk it not being found as well... This leak is PROBABLY real.

 

[Hermii]

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Dont forget the surface book.

Microsoft Surface Book Comes With A Custom NVIDIA GPU

We all know Microsoft Surface Book can be bought with a discrete GPU. Microsoft has only mentioned that it is a NVIDIA GeForce Graphics Processor and they didn’t reveal any technical specifications of it. Microsoft didn’t announce the model name of the GeForce processor as they have built a...

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[Aether]

But why there are no speculation about 1440p in Bate Kaitos?

why would there? have we a sign that there is 1440?

Metroid Prime Remastered took 2 weeks from announcement to physical release. Nobody leaked it from retail.

[Redacted] would need more shelf space and promotional events booked in advance, but for retailers it may as well be a new book from a prominent author, or a new Bluetooth speaker, they don't care. They just want to sell. It's in their interest to quickly setup those events.

I can't imagine any hard reason for Nintendo to need more than 1 month between announcement and release. It could even be lower if they take care of global shipping themselves, in the shadows before announcement. They don't need years to market it, it's gonna sell out for months anyway.

I can however imagine quite a few reasons to go for a very short marketing cycle. Preventing the death of current sales for months is one of them.

Mario All Stars was 2 weeks to i think, seems to be the timeframe they send new game allotments to retailers (assuming they don't send them individually but as a batch). Hardware would be handled slightly different, but yeah, they don't have to send it out months in advance, so retailers would only be a topic in the last month.

So I've been on the fence about it, thinking about the leak pretty much all day, I think it's real. The launch window for "Switch 2" is November 2023 - March 2024 anyways IMO, just too much going on from real leaks and public info to see it further out than 12 months, but my reasoning about the Pokemon leaker not faking the Switch 2 info is simple, maybe too much so... If you have all this correct info, and you wanted to make up Switch 2 info like this, why would you do it in a single 4chan post? why wouldn't you put it out on Twitter, or Here, or any bigger outlet, why wouldn't you attach a name to it too, so you could make more fake leaks between now and fall?

Someone who is going to make up something like that with all that good info, is going to attach themselves to it, so they can ride it out with more fake leaks, they want to be at the center for the attention, this is someone who pretty much can't really capitalize on it, and even if they could now, 4chan always leaks info, it's just that most of the posts are made up, so it's a needle in a haystack, even after the fact, so why risk it not being found as well... This leak is PROBABLY real.

i mean...maybe the person did think less of it then you overall?
"hey, i have some info, would be fun" and not being interested with keeping up with it, just having a on-off joke by stirring the pot.

(i still thinks the time frame is fine, but your reasoning for the leaker doesn't sound to me, not everybody is after fame)

 

[SiG]

People keep saying this, that they need half a year, or more than a year to announce the console and market it, but I think it's an outdated point of view from when information travelled slower and digital events weren't so ubiquitous.

If the new console is what we all seem to agree it is, an iterative update, they can reveal it in a (digital) event two or three months before and open preorders immediately.

Let me digress a little: the americans have nintendo.com, a single website for everything, but elsewhere things are different. In Europe we have two different websites: nintendo.it, the old one that only has software, and store.nintendo.it, a new one that only has Switch related hardware, software and merchandise (put different country domains at the end, that's not the point). I think that after March, when the other eshops go down, the old website will be replaced by the new one, that is being readied to support the next generation console.

They can make their event and immediately have the console available for preorder on the new website. I think they'll push it hard in the next gen (maybe even discontinuing the frankly useless my.nintendo).

They need to be organized, but they don't need to explain the product. Everyone in the target audience knows what a Switch is, the just need to flood the world with advertising for a month before and after release like they did for the original

They will need a very big marketing campaign, if you ask me.

They need to advetrise in spaces that are usually reserved for Sony (i.e. ESPN), and they need to advertise it hard and fast.

Guerilla tactics. Get people who normally scoff at Nintendo intruiged.

 

[SiG]

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Nintendo is a secretive company who’s secrets rival even the NSA’s. I wouldn’t put it past them to put an entire lockdown regarding knowledge about their next system, given their handful of lawyers and the massive gigaleak which would no doubt put them on complete guard.

 

[Hosermess]

astronomically, winter 2023 most accurately describes now

Damn, they're going to one up the MP1 shadowdrop and blow everyone's minds by releasing the DLC2 before DLC1. Brilliant! lol

 

[olobolger]

But why there are no speculation about 1440p in Bate Kaitos?

Because that thing doesn't exist. If you are referring to this:

Baten Kaitos I & II HD Remaster: Q&A

What is Baten Kaitos I & II HD Remaster? BATEN KAITOS™ I & II HD REMASTER is a remaster of Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean and Baten Kaitos Origins, both of which were released on the Nintendo GameCube about 20 years ago.

en.bandainamcoent.eu

You might find your answer in here:

2K resolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

For television and consumer media, 1920 × 1080 is the most common 2K resolution, but this is normally referred to as 1080p.

Bandai Namco is just naming the (variable) 1080p resolution of that title in this (weird) way, or it's been just a misunderstanding / mistranslation.

 

[Aether]

Nintendo is a secretive company who’s secrets rival even the NSA’s. I wouldn’t put it past them to put an entire lockdown regarding knowledge about their next system, given their handful if lawyers and the massive gigaleak which would no doubt put them on complete guard.

Well, prism leaked, [redacted] is still nebulous and without name... so...

Damn, they're going to one up the MP1 shadowdrop and blow everyone's minds by releasing the DLC2 before DLC1. Brilliant! lol

oh no. they will do a frog fractions. the dlc2 will be hidden in DLC1 but they will only announce that when winter ends.

 

[Dekuman]

Nintendo is a secretive company who’s secrets rival even the NSA’s. I wouldn’t put it past them to put an entire lockdown regarding knowledge about their next system, given their handful if lawyers and the massive gigaleak which would no doubt put them on complete guard.

While im partial to h2 release, but i think early 2024 release also makes a lot of sense, and they can have another super bowl ad like the Switch.

I don't think Nintendo will have trouble getting the word out when they announce the successor. Demand will likely be so high, that awareness may not translate to sales since it will be sold out.

 

[Gianko]

Because that thing doesn't exist. If you are referring to this:

Baten Kaitos I & II HD Remaster: Q&A

What is Baten Kaitos I & II HD Remaster? BATEN KAITOS™ I & II HD REMASTER is a remaster of Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean and Baten Kaitos Origins, both of which were released on the Nintendo GameCube about 20 years ago.

en.bandainamcoent.eu

You might find your answer in here:

2K resolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bandai Namco is just naming the (variable) 1080p resolution of that title in this (weird) way, or it's been just a misunderstanding / mistranslation.

Thank you. Anyway 2k Monitor is 1440p…

 

[Pacobob]

why are people hyped by this news?

 

[Goodtwin]

While im partial to h2 release, but i think early 2024 release also makes a lot of sense, and they can have another super bowl ad like the Switch.

If Nintendo had one or two high profile releases slated late this year for Switch, I would be very skeptical that a Switch 2 is coming this year, but when they completely leave it wide open, that is pretty unusual. Its not a slim lineup for H2 2023, its currently completely empty of any new first party games beyond July. Could there be a blowout at the September Direct showing off 2-4 big Switch titles for the following months? Sure, but I do not remember Nintendo ever leaving their extended forecast this empty. More than the 4chan post, its the lack of announced Switch titles for H2 2023 alongside the info that T239 seems to have been finalized last year. There is a lot to suggest that H2 2023 is at the very least a possibility.

I stand by the idea that Nintendo has been very selective with who has development hardware. We have to either believe that Nates sources do not currently have development hardware or that Nate doesn't have legit sources. If there are plenty of dev kits out in the wild at this point, and Nates sources do not have them, it seems to me that Nintendo has been extremely stingy with delivering dev kits to third party developers.