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Eclissi said:
I'm puzzled...
if the new console comes out in 2 years, what will Nintendo cover this time frame with? Mario 3D? MP4?, MK9? Ok, but... if these rounds burn, what will they be firing with next gen?
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Metroid Prime HD, Twilight Princess HD, F-Zero GX HD, Wind Waker HD, 2D Donkey Kong.
 
Ok we're totally in a "panic mode". But things are too strange.

1. First of all, we should wait at least february. All the video about "what's next?" is SPECULATION. Not even leak. Not even rumors. Info are just about the Pro, basically. Speculation is nothing, and Nate (nothing against him) not always knows the truth, and Switch Pro is the example;
2. A release in 2024 makes still sense (also due to all the DLC between Mario Kart, Xeno and FE) but the console needs to be better than what we were expecting for this year. If 2025, even better;
3. The silence about Zelda Tears of the Kingdom is the most "wtf?" question here. We're less than 4 months before the release and we got 0 gameplay footage. Why if not to show it running on a better hardware?
4. Pikmin 4 is another "wtf?" question. They announced the game with an in-game cutscene, then a static image of the new visuals. Why not a little gameplay like every Nintendo-announced games (except Zelda)?
5. If the late 2024/early 2025 is true, then we can say that "Nintendo has nothing after Zelda" is a statement full of bullshit (and I was thinking the same before, but I can't believe that Nintendo will wait 2025 for a new Mario game). So, if anything, we will get games to play and we will be still happy;
6. 2 early.
 
Listened to the podcast. Honestly - lots of info about the 2021/early 2022 Bloomberg reports and rumours, and then...not really anything. Nate, MVG, and John were pretty clear that their ideas on timelines for new hardware are speculation, not based on any specific knowledge.

It's a good discussion, and I enjoyed the podcast, but I didn't find any current insider info to be present.

I'll just keep my fingers crossed for 2023 and see what Nintendo has to show. I like Nate and I like the conversations he has with MVG, but I think I'm done with them as a source for insider information for the time being - I'll simply enjoy their discussions as content now.
 
Eclissi said:
I'm puzzled...
if the new console comes out in 2 years, what will Nintendo cover this time frame with? Mario 3D? MP4?, MK9? Ok, but... if these rounds burn, what will they be firing with next gen?
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I'm a big believer in the old shit year

past Zelda we'll get a new 2D Mario, Pikmin 4 (maybe), F-ZERO GX, Metroid Prime HD, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess (~a year apart), maybe some wild ones like Kid Icarus or Thousand Year Door

with weirdo shit like Tomodachi or maybe even Rhythm Heaven they'll easily wait on 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Smash, and Metroid Prime 4 until 2025
 
Will have to go back and listen again, but I got the feeling that each time they mention devkits being recalled, it was just speculation on what they think happened. No one came out and stated that they were told a dev had their devkit recalled.
 
I believe that this person has mislead you in the past, and is misleading you now as well to build a narrative. Whatever information he has is probably extremely fragmented, outdated, and affected by a game of telephone.
Nate Drake is probably reliable for direct dates 1 or 2 months ahead. He probably hears of some games occasionally, and heavily speculates about other games which end up not even existing.
But when it comes to Nintendo's new hardware, I believe that ChatGPT or my tea leaves would be equally reliable.

My prediction is that 2024 is the sweet spot in many regards, it always was, and I'm expecting to play the new switch console within 12-18 months. I may be wrong, but who cares.
 
This podcast isn’t making all too much sense to me currently. John around 15 minutes in is suggesting hardware that was slated for 2023 has been cancelled but new hardware could be revealed Late 2023 and released in Spring 2024?
 
Another thing thats weird to me is that the idea of ¨cancellation¨ causing this to be potentially 2 years away. With the way hardware and development works, if it was meant to be stronger wouldnt the devkits be pulled to simply be ¨upgraded¨? Its not like the new devkits would be a radical reinvention. It makes it sound like Nintendo and the partners working on games had to go back to the drawing board when I cant imagine the new devkits being that different from what was given prior.
 
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Mirev said:
3. The silence about Zelda Tears of the Kingdom is the most "wtf?" question here. We're less than 4 months before the release and we got 0 gameplay footage. Why if not to show it running on a better hardware?
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maybe they're still getting it above 20 fps lol

Mirev said:
4. Pikmin 4 is another "wtf?" question. They announced the game with an in-game cutscene, then a static image of the new visuals. Why not a little gameplay like every Nintendo-announced games (except Zelda)?
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that was an Animal Crossing-like announcement. just a way to say something is coming in the next year or so
 
Raccoon said:
this is a good point. as I said earlier the most impressive downports, skyrim and the new dooms, came from a company that has since been swallowed up by the kraken
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1. The acquisition hasn't actually gone through, and nobody knows if it will.

2. Imo Nintendo ports aren't any more unlikely under MS ownership than they were before.

Edit; forget point 1, I'm dumb.
 
The year is 2025...

The death toll continues to rise as Nintendo Switches worldwide continue to erupt in flames due to old age and struggling to run the latest games at 368p/10fps. The wold continues to wait for Nintendo to finally get the hint and release new hardware...

The People: So hey Nate, it's Year of our Lord, 2025 and there still isn't a new Switch. When is it coming?

Nate: "Plans Change" see you all in 2032!!!

*Nate flies off in a Koopling air ship long into the night...
 
kvetcha said:
If nothing is planned until '24-'25, Nintendo's empty-looking 2023 is even more confusing.
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I feel like the cancellation of this 2023 hardware maybe could explain things like... the Prime Remaster moving out of 2022. It's likely the big Fall release this year, along with all the rumored GameCube remasters. So, I think the 2023 release calendar will get filled out, and it'll look like any other Switch year.
 
I'm going with Occam's Razor here.
Nate is either drawing incorrect conclusions from his sources or his sources themselves have wrong info.
 
deletarek said:
Why are we only hearing this story of shelved hardware and recalled dev kits from Nate and John Linneman? This feels like a huge story that would be picked up by Bloomberg or WSJ.

Edit: lol people pointed this out already my bad
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True. Weirdly enough Mochizuki from Bloomberg seems to agree with Digital Foundry’s claims but no article out.
 
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kvetcha said:
If nothing is planned until '24-'25, Nintendo's empty-looking 2023 is even more confusing.
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A year with a new fire Emblem, a new Pikmin, and a new Zelda is anything but empty. It's actually pretty great and we're just in January. The next direct should announce at least one other big game, possibly Metroid Prime 4 which has been rebooted more than 5 years ago.
 
Homura said:
Can we refrain from making claims like this until the February Direct?
This happens every single goddamn year.
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Wasn't attempting to claim anything. It just feels unusual to be most of the way through January and have no significant releases penciled in for March or April that I can recall.

Maybe I'm forgetting something.
 
Mirev said:
5. If the late 2024/early 2025 is true, then we can say that "Nintendo has nothing after Zelda" is a statement full of bullshit (and I was thinking the same before, but I can't believe that Nintendo will wait 2025 for a new Mario game). So, if anything, we will get games to play and we will be still happy;
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As sad as it sounds, this could totally be true. Let’s imagine that after Zelda, they’ll launch Prime Remake, maybe a Pokémon spin off/remake, some of these HD Remasters and 2D Mario. None of these are “big games” but this could easily be the line-up, along with Pikmin 4, till 2024/2025. Software droughts are not unprecedented. They happened with Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft all the time and Nintendo doesn’t care about that maybe one or two years are seen as “weak”. They’ll try to release as many games as possible on the next system, that means: as few as possible on the current Switch.
 
Z0m3le said:
Most current gen games are still last gen PS4 crossgen games, that doesn't stop those titles from taking advantage of PS5's graphics, likewise a game getting a 4K patch and a game ported to a more powerful Switch in the leap of performance Drake offers over TX1 is VERY different... Ray Tracing, new Assets, different shaders, there is simply a big difference from a finished game getting a patch 12 months to 18 months after it's release, and a game launching alongside new hardware, especially when Nintendo has stated on many occasions that Zelda is a graphical showpiece game that is meant to push their hardware. (specifically thinking about Iwata's comments about Zelda's graphics)
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Sorry but I will have to disagree with you here.
Switch received a port of BotW(which started late in development) and only difference was resolution. Had they opted to make it like other Wii U ports, they could've get more advantages of the hardware. They instead opted for the same experience as the Wii U but with a resolution bump(that also wasn't 1080p like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe).
There was never any reason to expect new assets or different shaders. The things it would get on day one will be the same it will get on patch, 4K/DLSS, hell maybe even a performance mode with 60FPS, RTX is still possible on the patch, maybe better texture filtering or something.
They didn't make new assets or changes in geometry even in remasters like Twilight Princess HD, most Wii U ports are resolution bumps, there's no reason at all to expect that from TotK, which will be a looker on its own and on Switch, to get anything more than 4K support and maybe RTX if they wanna go more wild with the enhancements.
 
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Bosintang said:
A year with a new fire Emblem, a new Pikmin, and a new Zelda is anything but empty. It's actually pretty great and we're just in January. The next direct should announce at least one other big game, possibly Metroid Prime 4 which has been rebooted more than 5 years ago.
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I love those two, but none of those are big at all. All around, the majority is only looking forward to Zelda, still waiting for the February direct.
 
kvetcha said:
Wasn't attempting to claim anything. It just feels unusual to be most of the way through January and have no significant releases penciled in for March or April that I can recall.

Maybe I'm forgetting something.
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that weird little bayonetta spinoff is for some reason a full price retail game

that's the sort of thing we can expect in the dying years lol
 
Okay, I guess at this point believing in Nate gets harder and harder.
-Drake wasn't the Switch PRO, of course, there's no way something so powerful (and that doesn't even have full native backwards compatibility) could be a MidGen refresh.
-Nintendo won't launch a Switch with Drake in 2025, that doesn't make the slightest sense, if the Tegra X1 and the chosen clocks were already a conservative choice in 2017, T239 in 2025 will be VERY late to the party.
-The only possible explanation would be that Nintendo canceled Switch 2 in 2023 to release 2 years later, but that doesn't make sense either.

It may be wishfull thinking, but I still believe in a launch with ToTK.

If Nintendo really scrapped the T239, I just hope NVidia makes a "Shield Switch" and repeats Playstation history.
 
Homura said:
I'm going with Occam's Razor here.
Nate is either drawing incorrect conclusions from his sources or his sources themselves have wrong info.
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I think it's both. I don't doubt that Nate has legit sources (or, at least, has friends who have sources), but there's probably quite the game of telephone happening before info gets to him, and he's not equipped to interpret it correctly. And it's only because of an unprecedented data leak that we're able to even see that things don't add up in the first place.

It's probably similar to the Metroid Prime Trilogy situation. Somehow Retro having just started development on an HD remake of Prime 1 got warped to the point of "Retro finished porting Prime Trilogy to Switch and its release is imminent". Legitimate sources and a grain of truth, just wildly distorted.
 
Lancelot said:
I love those two, but none of those are big at all. All around, the majority is only looking forward to Zelda, still waiting for the February direct.
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It's just January. 1/12th of the year.

And Fire Emblem is absolutely a big game, or Nintendo wouldn't be littering smash with FE characters and making those sad Musou (I dislike Musou a lot).
Pikmin was big enough to have an almost logo only announcement.
 
LinkURL said:
Okay, I guess at this point believing in Nate gets harder and harder.
-Drake wasn't the Switch PRO, of course, there's no way something so powerful (and that doesn't even have full native backwards compatibility) could be a MidGen refresh.
-Nintendo won't launch a Switch with Drake in 2025, that doesn't make the slightest sense, if the Tegra X1 and the chosen clocks were already a conservative choice in 2017, T239 in 2025 will be VERY late to the party.
-The only possible explanation would be that Nintendo canceled Switch 2 in 2023 to release 2 years later, but that doesn't make sense either.

It may be wishfull thinking, but I still believe in a launch with ToTK.

If Nintendo really scrapped the T239, I just hope NVidia makes a "Shield Switch" and repeats Playstation history.
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unfortunately no chance nvidia would dare cross nintendo by doing something that based. they expect a 20 year partnership iirc
 
LinkURL said:
If Nintendo really scrapped the T239, I just hope NVidia makes a "Shield Switch" and repeats Playstation history.
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now this... this would be interesting

maybe nintendo would be slightly doomed in this case. just a little doomed
 
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I guess Nintendo really did look at their pandemic bump and decide that they could extend it a few more years. If this means we’ll get a Lovelace Switch 2 I’m for it though. The later it comes hopefully the better the hardware will be.
 
Tinfoil hat time:
Nintendo was planning to launch a lite Drake console with a cut down chip, like the Series S.
That got cancelled, Drake is still on
 
Don't be so hard on yourselves. We lost the hardware of our dreams, but we still have Zoidberg!


But in all seriousness, we're obviously still missing pieces of the puzzle, and even if hardware has been delayed or cancelling I don't think we need "Nintendo is doomed"-style panicking
 
Bosintang said:
It's just January. 1/12th of the year.

And Fire Emblem is absolutely a big game, or Nintendo wouldn't be littering smash with FE characters and making those sad Musou (I dislike Musou a lot).
Pikmin was big enough to have an almost logo only announcement.
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The best selling game on Switch didn't even got past 5 million, that's really not big at all. The numbers are there, what you think of big it actually isn't in numbers.
 
Spork4000 said:
I guess Nintendo really did look at their pandemic bump and decide that they could extend it a few more years. If this means we’ll get a Lovelace Switch 2 I’m for it though. The later it comes hopefully the better the hardware will be.
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it's funny, 2025 drake would be worst case but something totally different in 2027 could be best case
 
Take away for me. Nintendo has all the time in the world. They will not launch all games we want in the next direct and they will not rush in any next gen system despite all the pixel counter see them falling behind. Sales figures are on their side.
 
Hosermess said:
They all said that calling it a 'Switch Pro' was more out of convenience.

And it did kind of warped the conversation around it in a negative manner.
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It's not just the name. There were suggestions, especially in 2021, that the system was going to be New 3DS-like, and that never really sat right with me based on the hardware.

This rumor cycle has seemed quite confused, and this latest podcast is no exception.
 
Intoxicate said:
Take away for me. Nintendo has all the time in the world. They will not launch all games we want in the next direct and they will not rush in any next gen system despite all the pixel counter see them falling behind. Sales figures are on their side.
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I'm wondering how long, the sales of the thing did drop 25% last year like someone above mentioned.
 
Homura said:
Can we refrain from making claims like this until the February Direct?
This happens every single goddamn year.
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Nintendo can easily can coast to 2025

Metroid Prime HD
Metroid Prime 4
Mario Odyssey 2
2D Zelda game
Xenoblade X
Paper Mario Color Splash
Yoshi's Wooly World
Some Casual Shit
New Game from Mario Kart/Arms Team
Twilight Princess HD
Wind waker HD
Mario and Sonic Olympics
New 2D Mario
Wii Fit revival
PS3 ports, Metal Gear Rising etc
A ton of indie games
 
kalosmani said:
Nintendo can easily can coast to 2025

Metroid Prime HD
Metroid Prime 4
Mario Odyssey 2
2D Zelda game
Xenoblade X
Paper Mario Color Splash
Yoshi's Wooly World
Some Casual Shit
New Game from Mario Kart/Arms Team
Twilight Princess HD
Wind waker HD
Mario and Sonic Olympics
New 2D Mario
Wii Fit revival
PS3 ports, Metal Gear Rising etc
A ton of indie games
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But then what do they launch the Switch 2 with? You release Odyssey 2 now, then you will have the first real Switch 2 3D Mario at least 4-5 years later
 
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