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Lancelot said:
Third parties legitimately won't care, this thing is being Wii U'd outside of subpar looking first parties until 2024.
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yeah, last year was 2015, now we've got two 2016s ahead of us

Cackletta5 said:
Switch is just too successful. They‘ll wait as long as they can to release the successor. Same goes for bigger games I‘m afraid.
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yep, I'm very curious to watch how exactly they choose to coast. old shit year sounds like a good approach
 
Admittedly, i'm starting to consider the fact their games will start to look increasingly worse until 2024... So Drake/Ada SoC exclusives will end up impressing way more than anyone would've ever anticipated. Maybe I'm actually into something...
 
Selarmor said:
Switch sales dropped 25% last year.

It's already the longest gap between Nintendo consoles ever.

Switch will potentially be the most successful Nintendo device ever.

Drake is in production.

Developers were porting games for it.

But yeah it's cancelled we're getting something totally different with a SoC intended for an early 2023 Switch device in 2025.
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FY briefing will be interesting if they forecast like 15m units or so, and provide no guidance on future hardware devices. Stock price tank incoming.

John Omaha said:
Why? Honest question.

Third parties already have two other platform holders that strive to meet their specific needs. There's a reason why most third-party publishers, even in Japan where Nintendo dominates, focus on PC/PlayStation/Xbox as their primary market and see Switch versions of games as nice-to-haves, not must-haves.
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Well if you believe everything that's been said, this is a situation where devs were working on software for a year or more, and Nintendo pulled the plug. That's a lot of wasted time and money.
 
Lancelot said:
Admittedly, i'm starting to consider the fact their games will start to look increasingly worse until 2024... So Drake/Ada SoC exclusives will end up impressing way more than anyone would've ever anticipated. Maybe I'm actually into something...
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Sounds like black Friday pricing
 
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So, reading between the lines, it sounds like the devkits for the planned 2023 revision were recalled by Nintendo, and since then, they have not sent out any new ones, which would, yeah, definitely make anything launching any time soon/2023 an impossibility. Bummer.

Concernt said:
Xbox Series S won't be dropped until after 2030 at minimum.
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Isn't Series S the best selling Series variant? Lol. It's not going anywhere.
 
Coco said:
Damn, y'all really went into absurd doomposting with just one video. Third parties dropping Nintendo? Games looking increasingly worse? Puh-lease.
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Not only for a video. Only just for a date in a speculation part of the video
 
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Shadowrun said:
So, reading between the lines, it sounds like the devkits for the planned 2023 revision were recalled by Nintendo, and since then, they have not sent out any new ones, which would, yeah, definitely make anything launching any time soon/2023 an impossibility. Bummer.


Isn't Series S the best selling Series variant? Lol. It's not going anywhere.
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If switch 2 devkits aren't even out, isn't that bad even for a 2024/2025 release? I genuinely don't know.
 
Coco said:
Damn, y'all really went into absurd doomposting with just one video. Third parties dropping Nintendo? Games looking increasingly worse? Puh-lease.
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I kinda agree for third parties, at least I wouldn't be surprised if some of them dropped because of too old hardware (among other things).
 
Raccoon said:
not sure if @John_DF is actually John DF but his (your?) idea for being able to see a shitload of Splatoon matches live from a hub is fucking dope, that's the sort of power speculation I really enjoy
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such things would be really cool... but that would need a big change in their online infrastructure.

Kazuyamishima said:
I don't think this will happen at all and is unrealistic unfortunately. Overclocking would drain these old batteries insanely fast and the heat output would be far to much on old thermal paste and would not be good for these aging systems
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....docked it would not drain the batteries, and the fan can spin up, as it already does at OG switches, and those where fine to release. (i dont think they'll do it)
Shadowrun said:
@Thugstas where ya at?!




The information was right; Nintendo just changed plans, and no insider, unless they are the president of Nintendo themselves, will ever be able to anticipate that.
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... wasnt there info from nate a good while back that devs are eager to present there games? like a goood while back? that would be essentially wrong if it was only early dev kits to get a grasp.

Raccoon said:
what we're seeing here is that Nintendo doesn't need third party devs and third party devs don't need Nintendo.

hell, the big third party game that sold Switch as a home console on the go was Skyrim, and Bethesda is gone. maybe by the time this thing ships there won't really be a third party landscape to worry about
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i can only see that if nintendo buys square or bamco.
Kazuyamishima said:
Podcast was kind of a waste of time (IMO) it didn't really say anything of value or something we didn't already know, nor did it really clear anything up. At least it was a fun listen.
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the bolded makes it kind of not a waste? (in regards to new info, yeah, but then again,did we expect much new outside of some clarification?)
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
PS6 should be a pretty massive and defining hardware jump as PC hardware is finally getting to where they can do raytracing OK and by 2028, raytracing should be doable even for big games. Meanwhile, the PS5's raytracing is omega trash.

Games built from the ground up for raytracing (instead of the super shitty implementations now) will be a big game changer.
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yeah, graphics cards are gettign there... for the price of 1.5 whole consoles just for the card... the prices and power consumption did increase in tandem to the performance, in a degree where we where not before. Usually you could shrink dies and have more stuff on the same area.
Now they are increasing and increasing the footprint of those cards, to get to higher performance. Thats a) not sustainable, and b) not a sign that new consoles could reach an acceptable price point by then.
 
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Coco said:
Damn, y'all really went into absurd doomposting with just one video. Third parties dropping Nintendo? Games looking increasingly worse? Puh-lease.
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games are already looking worse though, and third parties have already kind of moved on

it's definitely unreasonable to expect projects like pac-man world and we love katamari (fuck yeah) to disappear though
 
Raccoon said:
  • there were devkits for a 4K capable device
  • developers were working with it as of GDC in March 2022
  • just a few months later in the summer he heard it was shelved
  • new hardware is now up in the air, they think late 2024 to early 2025
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Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in, but this just doesn't sound possible.

Drake was designed to power a Switch-like device to release in 2023.

If it was cancelled in 2022, it would mean either:
1. They're designing a new chip for a new device, which would not be possible by 2024/2025.
2. They're still using Drake, but for a new device. So they're going to use a chip designed for a new Switch for something that isn't a Switch, or the device is still essentially a new Switch, but got pushed back 2 years for... reasons?
 
Kazuyamishima said:
That's way to much power draw realistically speaking.
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Says who? We don't the node size, but its looking like it's going to be 5 or 4nm node now. Drake will likely be up to 3 tflops GPU (with a much more efficient architecture than Maxwell Tegra X1) and have much better CPU and 4x RAM as much at least. Should be possible.
 
Z0m3le said:
also riding Switch momentum out before launching a successor is what they did with both Wii and DS, it didn't work either time
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Wii waited too long, for sure. DS was still going very strong until 3DS arrived, it just then immediately plummeted and 3DS didn't make up the difference.
Kazuyamishima said:
Why does everyone keep saying next Zelda is 2028-2029? There have been much smaller development times for Zelda games like MM and wind waker
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Majora's Mask recycled a lot from its direct predecessor, and was on hardware with an insanely lower ceiling in complexity than what is capable on late 2020s hardware. The time between major Zeldas since then has only gone up.
OOT->MM: 1 1/2 years
->WW: 3 1/2 years
->TP: 4 years
->SS: 5 years
->BOTW: 5 1/3 years
->TOTK: 6 years

Looking at that, 2028-2029 sounds quite optimistic to me.
Raccoon said:
imo in the next few years either xbox drops the s or third parties drop xbox
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Dropping the S would be as insane as Nintendo letting developers exclude undocked.
 
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I mostly stopped playing my Switch a year or so back. I will play Tears of the Kingdom and then I'm moving on entirely. I have a PS5/XSX. I love Nintendo first party games but I only play games on a TV and Switch is far to old and quite frankly an unpleasant experience. 2025 is laughable but I won't be surprised if that really is how long we have too wait. Looking more and more like Nintendo really meant it when they kept calling Switch a ten year system. 2025 is pretty damn close (8 years). Gross! This company really doesn't want to let go...
 
Coco said:
Damn, y'all really went into absurd doomposting with just one video. Third parties dropping Nintendo? Games looking increasingly worse? Puh-lease.
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Wasn’t this the story of the past years?

The only hope was the Switch Pro/2 which, if I may say that, many of us here and many media people expected for last year, this, but never for late 2024.
 
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L_esson said:
I kinda agree for third parties, at least I wouldn't be surprised if some of them dropped because of too old hardware (among other things).
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They're literally the best selling platform in its 6th year and the only platform in many countries that sells games at an ok pace. It's not happening

Raccoon said:
games are already looking worse though, and third parties have already kind of moved on

it's definitely unreasonable to expect projects like pac-man world and we love katamari (fuck yeah) to disappear though
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The companies that were there at the beginning are still here. They have not moved on.
 
imo a 24/25 release feels like a mistake, but it won't be anywhere near Wii U levels of bad unless Nintendo made more Wii U-level blunders with it
 
Kevin said:
I mostly stopped playing my Switch a year or so back. I will play Tears of the Kingdom and then I'm moving on entirely. I have a PS5/XSX. I love Nintendo first party games but I only play games on a TV and Switch is far to old and quite frankly an unpleasant experience. 2025 is laughable but I won't be surprised if that really is how long we have too wait. Looking more and more like Nintendo really meant it when they kept calling Switch a ten year system. 2025 is pretty damn close (8 years). Gross! This company really doesn't want to let go...
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Going to be joining you there, but not in the actual console. I'm sticking with emulation to run that one and leave until this is shown to be the jump.
 
Pokemaniac said:
If there were actually devkits out for a substantial period of time that were just recalled with nothing to replace them, that feels like it should have been a much bigger story.
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my read based on the podcast is that they were much earlier along than the leak cycle suggested (which imo checks out based on the drake timeline. they probably only had approximate hardware)
 
ShadowFox08 said:
Says who? We don't the node size, but its looking like it's going to be 5 or 4nm node now. Drake will likely be up to 3 tflops GPU (with a much more efficient architecture than Maxwell Tegra X1) and have much better CPU and 4x RAM as much at least. Should be possible.
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John from DF
 
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Pokemaniac said:
If there were actually devkits out for a substantial period of time that were just recalled with nothing to replace them, that feels like it should have been a much bigger story.
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Could NDAs getting more strict have been the reason for some developers to say this?
 
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Coco said:
The companies that were there at the beginning are still here. They have not moved on.
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this is a good point. as I said earlier the most impressive downports, skyrim and the new dooms, came from a company that has since been swallowed up by the kraken
 
I listened to the whole thing but.... what exactly was meant to be new with it? We just heard reports the 2021 devkit hardware was cancelled and Nate says ¨I heard early last year it was cancelled¨ which at that point would have been news. Why wasnt that shared in early 2022 and only right after someone reported it first?
 
Hush said:
I listened to the whole thing but.... what exactly was meant to be new with it? We just heard reports the 2021 devkit hardware was cancelled and Nate says ¨I heard early last year it was cancelled¨ which at that point would have been news. Why wasnt that shared in early 2022 and only right after someone reported it first?
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Basically nothing, but it's still a pretty bad sign to the narrative that Nate has backtracked so hard already. I mean, he's probably wrong but not a good sign either way, that's how I understand the doomposting.
 
Hush said:
I listened to the whole thing but.... what exactly was meant to be new with it? We just heard reports the 2021 devkit hardware was cancelled and Nate says ¨I heard early last year it was cancelled¨ which at that point would have been news. Why wasnt that shared in early 2022 and only right after someone reported it first?
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Yeah I was surprised to hear Nate said he heard this in mid 2022 that the devkits were possibly canned he heard. But I can’t remember if Nate starting hinting or anything to anyone that he heard it was possibly canned back in summer 2022.

He has said he’s wanted to wait to get the right info and I think permission to talk.
 
Hush said:
I listened to the whole thing but.... what exactly was meant to be new with it? We just heard reports the 2021 devkit hardware was cancelled and Nate says ¨I heard early last year it was cancelled¨ which at that point would have been news. Why wasnt that shared in early 2022 and only right after someone reported it first?
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Lancelot said:
Basically nothing, but it's still a pretty bad sign to the narrative that Nate has backtracked so hard already. I mean, he's probably wrong but not a good sign either way, that's how I understand the doomposting.
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Sorry if i have to be that upfront, but the amount of doomposting is pretty much only because people take the podcasts speculation as hard news and facts and literally nothing else.
 
Kazuyamishima said:
What else should we do?
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Fire Emblem Engage releases tomorrow! Persona 3 Portable and Persona 4 Golden have released today! This year is full of games, movies, shows...

I'm sure y'all can manage to play something and take the mind out of the hardware speculation even if it's for a couple of days. When Nintendo announces their console, whenever it is, none of this 781 pages will matter a single bit. It's been this way for literally every console launch.
 
Raccoon said:
my read based on the podcast is that they were much earlier along than the leak cycle suggested (which imo checks out based on the drake timeline. they probably only had approximate hardware)
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To my recollection, this supposed recall happened after we have some evidence of there probably being engineering samples of Drake floating around. Seems a lot more likely that they would have been replaced with new kits using those samples.
 
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Lancelot said:
Basically nothing, but it's still a pretty bad sign to the narrative that Nate has backtracked so hard already. I mean, he's probably wrong but not a good sign either way, that's how I understand the doomposting.
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He doesnt backtrack at all, Switch Pro existed.

Its Nintendos approach of things. Dont believe they will survive long after the Switch no matter what Next Gen is….
 
Bonejack said:
Sorry if i have to be that upfront, but the amount of doomposting is pretty much only because people take the podcasts speculation as hard news and facts and literally nothing else.
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Pretty much, but dudes still find the backtrack too suspicious to be a coincidence. It's just perfect timing.
 
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General_Kenobi said:
He doesnt backtrack at all, Switch Pro existed.

Its Nintendos approach of things. Dont believe they will survive long after the Switch no matter what Next Gen is….
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Except that Switch Pro had dedicated hardware that no game was going to use, and was in a different architecture (shaders included). Drake is still this console and in the worst case, we're just getting a proper Ada SoC.
 
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