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Even better hardware wont fix this. You are mixing hardware and engine.

This is a bad engine also if you want someone to blame it`s Game-freak and not Nintendo.
Nintendo own shares in the company but they are fully independent.

The Switch visuals are outdated all around but yeah like I said, the engine and bugs for this specific game are more the fault of the Pokémon Company. Still new hardware and a revised game engine would both help.
 
Don't know what Nintendo has in store with their next system, but in-house, they definitely seem to be having fun experimenting with AR/VR.

This patent application was filed in July and published today, but it's a continuation of a Japanese patent application from 2020.

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Multiplayer/viewer VR. Interesting stuff.
 
You are right. Fortunately, I didn't say that

I believe that Nintendo will reuse the OLED Dock, and that they will not break USB peripherals when they do so. This sets a cap on how much power is available to docked mode below the 39W that the OLED dock is rated for.

I was providing a lot of context because this discussion came up with the OLED was revealed, but hasn't stuck around as common knowledge in the thread.


I also believe that increased power draw is likely. You mentioned 30W, I wanted to illustrate why that is unreasonably high, so we could discuss what it might actually be.


I didn't mean to accuse you of lying - I was meaning to accusing the packaging of being deceptive. :)

Nintendo replaced one of the USB lanes from the OG Dock with an ethernet port. That required a rebuild of the motherboard, and a replacement of the USB controller. The new USB controller supports a mode where it can turn off power to the USB ports. DisplayPort supports 100W of power, and can draw everything that the dock can pull out of the wall

Thus for regulatory reasons, the OLED dock has a different power rating despite the fact that it doesn't draw any more power out of the wall than the original dock


Again, I agree with you. It seems likely that reusing the existing built up dock is the correct call, and it does seem beautifully overengineered. I never once stated that I believed that Nintendo was not going to reuse the OLED dock. Just that Nintendo wasn't going to break the USB ports in the process.



The new dock offers a wired LAN port. It's supposed to be a premium feature. The LAN port necessitates the other changes. I never suggested that the new dock was cheaper or easier to source.
That's completely fair, you're right about power requirements. If that mode means COMPLETELY cutting the feed to the USB ports then they won't use it.

Didn't mean to be snarky! Apologies.
 
Christopher Dring cleared up his hardware thoughts. Sounds like he was merely speculating regarding any hardware coming in 2023/2024:



Hungry for things to talk about, but this ain’t it. It’s pretty obvious that he’s speculating, pessimistic, but not convincingly informed.

Also why is @Raccoon blue. I don’t know if I want to be blue but I’m still envious.

Even better hardware wont fix this. You are mixing hardware and engine.

This is a bad engine also if you want someone to blame it`s Game-freak and not Nintendo.
Nintendo own shares in the company but they are fully independent.

GameFreak and their timelines are likely the core of the issue, but it’s patently incorrect to say that better hardware won’t at least help with some of the issues.

If we assume GameFreak isn’t ever going to give more time or resources to their billion dollar cash cow, then better hardware is a fair ask. I think that’s why we’re seeing it so much - we don’t expect GameFreak to change how they do things, so at least afford them development of their rushed under-optimized titles on something that can brute force a more stable experience.
 
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Interesting insight from Chris Ding (who presumably has contacts at retailers):




People still can't understand an upgraded Switch can be a next gen console/Switch. Straight and simple. People are still stucked with these ideologies: Switch Pro/Midgen Switch, 2020/2021 expectation of a Switch Pro(while 2023 is in less than two months) or Switch Pro is yet to come, Nintendo "full new console" must have a new gimmick. This is why we always have this Successor/Revision debate.
If PS4Pro and OneX didn't exist thereby not giving so much traction to midgen revisions and we didn't hear about this next Switch until like late 2021(so the Switch Pro/Revision would not have slept for 2 years prior in the back of our minds, unfortunately now some still don't want to let go), we would have never expected a Switch Pro/Revision at this point in Switches life but we would have normally expected it's successor.
 
Interesting insight from Chris Ding (who presumably has contacts at retailers):




This screams Nintendo Co. Ltd. keeping any information about Nintendo's new hardware very close to the chest, with only higher-ups (e.g. Doug Bowser) at Nintendo of America having any information about Nintendo's new hardware.
 
That's completely fair, you're right about power requirements. If that mode means COMPLETELY cutting the feed to the USB ports then they won't use it.

Didn't mean to be snarky! Apologies.
No worries! I appreciate your followup.

I totally think Nintendo will throw more power at the thing in docked mode. I don't have a real sense at what point the thermals start to get bad, but I suspect that is the upper limit well before we start maxing out what the dock can do.
 
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Nintendo has had no issue with releasing poorly running games. I wouldn't imagine pokemon, the game that sells itself, would make them reconsider. The game looks way worse than even Xenoblade 2 though in render quality. The difference between the new pokemon and xenoblade 3 is like early gen vs late gen quality.
I disagree. Pokemon is not a Nintendo game. It's a Nintendo exclusive game but never a game made by Nintendo. The game is also on a tight schedule so the game cannot be delayed for optimization.
 
Don't want to post every tweet by this guy (and like I tried to sarcastically imply, I'm skeptical anyway), but he does elaborate in his mentions. Seems he is on the 'Switch 2 is not Drake' side of things (though there are other possibilities too).


Posting from January 2010
Well, he's convinced me. No DS successor will be announced until 2012. Things are starting to slow and a transition won't be far away, but they just shipped 29 million in the last year!
 
Don't want to post every tweet by this guy (and like I tried to sarcastically imply, I'm skeptical anyway), but he does elaborate in his mentions. Seems he is on the 'Switch 2 is not Drake' side of things (though there are other possibilities too).


I'm sorry but this person does not know what they are talking about. Firstly, they say they have been told 2023 will be quiet after Zelda but this is already suspicious because right now it is exactly what some people will tell you. Zelda is such a big release in the mind of some people it even covers the rest of the year after it has been released this may make Zelda seem "alone" but this is an assumption and a redflag. Quiet after Zelda also implies Pikmin 4 will release before it, which is another assumption and another redflag. Then he seems to not be aware of the caliber of the Drake Switch. Infact, I think he has a very "masse" way of thinking, just stating what most people think or would want to hear: "2023 is too early","maybe upgraded Switch", "2024", "Switch is still selling", "they will leave Switch releases dry up to prepare for New hardware". The last statement is a big redflag because it either assumes the new hardware will be completely different than the Switch or the new hardware/Switch 2 won't have a crossgen period or be backward compatible (why would they have to dry up Switch releases months before the next hardware releases if there is a crossgen period or the new hardware is backward compatible?).
Also from May 2023 to holiday 2024, 18 months with drying Switch releases?? This person is completely off.
 
GameFreak and their timelines are likely the core of the issue, but it’s patently incorrect to say that better hardware won’t at least help with some of the issues.

If we assume GameFreak isn’t ever going to give more time or resources to their billion dollar cash cow, then better hardware is a fair ask. I think that’s why we’re seeing it so much - we don’t expect GameFreak to change how they do things, so at least afford them development of their rushed under-optimized titles on something that can brute force a more stable experience.
Bad practices shouldn't be encouraged. Trying to brute force some of these problems will just lead to bigger problems
 
Bad practices shouldn't be encouraged. Trying to brute force some of these problems will just lead to bigger problems

I don’t disagree, but the reality is new hardware is likely to give us all a better experience sooner than any alternative, and I just want to enjoy the game.

By all means, continue to complain and vote with your wallet - maybe it’ll make an impact on their process. But I was specifically addressing the dismissal of new hardware’s impact, notably something that still fully supports Switch games, as being any sort of solution for the bad player experience. At the moment I fully expect the next title will come out two years from now without missing a beat, and my only hope for it to be reasonably pleasant is new hardware.
 
This screams Nintendo Co. Ltd. keeping any information about Nintendo's new hardware very close to the chest, with only higher-ups (e.g. Doug Bowser) at Nintendo of America having any information about Nintendo's new hardware.
Yeah, things being extremely quiet and more hush hush than usual is a sign that something big is coming, rather than the opposite. I vaguely remember Kit and Krysta saying in a podcast that while they obviously had to know about before the release of the Wii U and/or Switch that the lower level marketing people and employees had no idea about the new systems or when they were launching or with what software.

And with regards to “Nintendo will wait”, no company waits 6.5 years before deciding when to launch their next hardware. Those decisions are made a few years in advance.
 
No big games from Nintendo after Zelda they said….. this slander of Pikmin is unacceptable!
Mr Dring has to go to jail…..still like his work though ha ha
 
Don't want to post every tweet by this guy (and like I tried to sarcastically imply, I'm skeptical anyway), but he does elaborate in his mentions. Seems he is on the 'Switch 2 is not Drake' side of things (though there are other possibilities too).


Oh goody, the “it’s still selling well” argument, as though that is the only consideration to be made or as though Nintendo didn’t already cut a hot sales streak abruptly short before.
believe me, I'm not taking it as fact, but he does at least assert that it's based on industry coordination




...but if they were making a super switch why would they tell anyone

It’s like he exists in a world without NDAs or something.
Yeah, honestly? I'm taking this and running with it.

His information includes two things:

It's time for an upgrade.

There is no marketing being done for anything after Zelda.

This to me implies, HEAVILY, that 2023 H2 is being kept under wraps, which in turn, implies to me that it's like that to avoid revealing a precious cornerstone of 2023 marketing.

I believe that cornerstone to be the next Switch, with reveals and marketing, even briefs, for games after May held back until the next Switch is revealed.
Yeah, this is honestly more believable and better considered than what’s been spouted in these tweets.
Christopher Dring cleared up his hardware thoughts. Sounds like he was merely speculating regarding any hardware coming in 2023/2024:


PS3: “Hold my beer.”
DS: “Mine, too.”

Sales being great at the year prior to new hardware don’t mean anything, especially if they’re achieved in year 6.
 
"Significant"
"quite some time"




I mean, if Nintendo wanted to kill the Switch momentum, this would be an effective way of doing it. Of course, this would have to be actually true too.


Don't want to post every tweet by this guy (and like I tried to sarcastically imply, I'm skeptical anyway), but he does elaborate in his mentions. Seems he is on the 'Switch 2 is not Drake' side of things (though there are other possibilities too).



This may be confirmation bias talking, but if Nintendo haven't informed retailers about any major releases in 2023 post-Zelda, honestly that makes me think it's more likely that there's new hardware coming. Nintendo have a large number of internal studios (including quite a few studios who haven't released anything in several years), and they always have a steady stream of externally developed titles. I would be extremely surprised if they let the entire second half of a calendar year go by without any notable titles. I think it's more likely that they simply haven't informed retailers of these titles, which begs the question of why they would be so secretive with retailers on these games. Is it perhaps because they're designed to run on as-yet unannounced hardware? I may be overthinking it, of course, but honestly I wouldn't expect Nintendo to share details on a new model with retailers until as late as possible, as we know how careful they are about leaks.

The other thing I'd like to bring up, is the recurring logical fallacy of "Switch is selling well at the moment, so they won't release a new model soon". Nintendo (or Sony or MS) don't have the luxury of deciding when or how to release new console hardware based on actual sales figures shortly before launch. Games consoles, particularly when they require a custom SoC (as Nintendo does) have to be planned and built based on predicted sales patterns, years before they're launched. The specifications of the hardware, the technologies used, and the targeted launch window have to be decided 3 or more years before the launch, based on Nintendo's best predictions of when that new hardware is going to be needed.

In Nintendo's case, it appears they made this decision in late 2019 or early 2020. That is, they made the decision on the timing of the next model based on predictions made pre-COVID (or at least before the economic effects of COVID would have been known). To illustrate how difficult it would have been to predict Switch's current continued success at that time, consider that in FY21 (the financial year ending March 2021), Nintendo sold 28.83 million units of Switch hardware, a massive 37% increase over the previous year, and achieved a similar 37% YoY increase in software sales. However, in May 2020, Nintendo were forecasting just 19 million Switch units to be sold in FY21. That's a 9.6% decrease YoY, and they were forecasting a 17% YoY decrease in software sales as well. This is after Animal Crossing had released and when COVID lockdowns were in full swing. At the same time as this, do we think that Nintendo were predicting that, in 2022, Switch's sixth year, it would be outselling both Sony and MS's new consoles in their second years on the market?

While Switch's long-running success has surprised many, it also seems to have surprised Nintendo themselves. At the start of the last three financial years, they have forecasted YoY drops in both hardware and software sales for Switch. In FY21 (as above) they were expecting to be down 9.6% on hardware and 17% on software. In FY22, they were expecting to drop 11.5% on hardware and 17.7% on software, and in FY23, they forecast a 8.9% hardware drop and a 10.7% software drop. Part of this could be conservative forecasting, but it doesn't paint the picture of a company expecting the level of success the Switch has seen at this stage in its life. The forecasted drops in software sales are particularly notable, because usually they lag hardware sales, and are a much bigger indicator of the need for new hardware. For comparison, Sony (who measure software sales differently from Nintendo) were still seeing very healthy software sales on PS4 in the lead-up to the launch of the PS5, even as hardware sales dropped.

Furthermore, although this is purely speculation, I suspect that with only one hardware line, Nintendo will now be more conservative with when they release new hardware. That is, they will err on the side of possibly releasing their new hardware too early, rather than risk releasing it too late and having the audience disappear by the time their new hardware is out. They can no longer hedge their bets between separate lines of console and handheld hardware, allowing failures on one side to be propped up by successes on the other. Their entire business is the Switch, and hence their entire business hinges on how they handle the successor to it, so I'd expect them to be more risk-averse than they were in the past when releasing new hardware, including avoiding the risk of leaving that hardware too late.

Edit: To add to this, I thought I'd take a look at the lifespan of previous Nintendo consoles to see what the typical hardware lifecycle is for a console in Nintendo's eyes. Here's every Nintendo home console, the date it was released (in the first region), and the number of days it was on the market until they released the next generation:

NES - 1983-07-15 - 2686d
SNES - 1990-11-21 - 2041d
N64 - 1996-06-23 - 1909d
GC - 2001-09-14 - 1892d
Wii - 2006-11-19 - 2191d
Wii U - 2012-11-18 - 1566d
Switch - 2017-03-03 - 2086d (current)

Switch has already outlived the SNES, N64, Gamecube and Wii U. If we get to 3rd of March 2023 without new generation hardware launching, it will become Nintendo's longest-living home console since the NES. If we reach 10th of July 2024 without new generation hardware, then Switch will become their longest-living home console ever.

If we want to consider Switch against the handheld lines, we have:

GB - 1989-04-21 - 3470d
GBC - 1998-10-21 - 882d
GBA - 2001-03-21 - 1341d
DS - 2004-11-21 - 2288d
3DS - 2011-02-26 - 2197d
Switch - 2017-03-03 - 2086d (current)

Switch has outlived the GBC and GBA (not that either one stuck around for that long), and if new hardware doesn't appear it will overtake the 3DS on 9th March 2023 and the DS on 8th June 2023. In the unlikely event that it overtakes the original GB, that would take until 2nd of September 2026 (or 31st January 2029 if you count GBC as part of the GB generation).

A six-year life cycle for Switch before the successor hardware releases (ie a H1 2023 launch) would put it in line with their longest living hardware released in the past 30 years. Conversely, a 7 and a half year life cycle (ie a H2 2024 launch) would blow past any recent hardware and make it their longest living home console ever. I have no doubt now that Switch could last until late 2024, however I would be surprised if, back in early 2020, Nintendo were willing to bet the farm on it becoming by far the longest living hardware they've released since the 80s.
 
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My rough translation from Spanish Portuguese to English; he is basically saying "I tried to keep quiet when hardware rumors pops up… but then the info comes and I have to give it up.

He's speculating that the nuswitch is releasing in 2023 but of course we should take it with a grain of salt.

Yikes lol I was talking to my brother in Spanish about this tweet that I ended typing Spanish instead of Portuguese lol my bad
 
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I have to strongly agree with @Thraktor, hardware development is an incredibly involved multi-year process and does not just appear as if by magic at the precise time it’s needed; if it did, Wii wouldn’t have been allowed to wither on the vine as it did, nor would MS and Sony launch their new hardware in the midst of a pandemic. Been banging this drum since the idea that Nintendo could just stall the process to delay until 2024 or beyond started being bandied about, because any knowledge about physical product development would suggest it’s a tightly regimented process, with target dates for production and release well in advance, especially the more involved the product is and whether there are supply partners involved (like game developers, for example).

We can actually look at how Switch proceeded to get a really clear picture of how this all shakes out and I wrote a bit about this on Install Base that I’m going to cross-post.

New hardware following Wii U was already being discussed in the same year that Wii U launched (almost assuredly because Nintendo knew it had dead weight on its hands), with R&D beginning in earnest by the end of 2013, when they had already solidified the hybrid design concept, right down to the detachable Joy-Cons. Here's Koizumi's words on this time period:
Furthermore, there is a deadline in the development period, and development resources in our company are also limited. The most difficult part was on how to take an overall balance while we were getting entangled with all of those in complexity.
So, depending on where you start counting... the timeline was 3-4 years from beginning to release.
The SoC would have likely been chosen in late 2014 or early 2015 at the latest, as the Tegra X1 was first being sampled by Nvidia in 2014 before being officially unveiled at CES in January of 2015 for a Q2 2015 wide availability, as "NX" had seemed to have taken enough shape that Iwata could confidently (albeit cryptically) discuss it a few months after the TX1 unveiling in March of 2015, and dev kits were being reported to exist in October of 2015 (and quite possibly sooner than that) and demoed to select publishers and devs at E3 that same year, which meant Nintendo would start needing to notify publishers of their rough release window for the device so publishers could set staff requirements if they intended to prep launch software (like NIS, for example) and would need kits to be in developer hands long enough in advance for Nintendo to get and implement developer/publisher feedback (like Capcom's famously fulfilled request for additional RAM).

So while an exact release date would not be available, they would need to provide a semi-accurate window for release 1.5-2 years in advance, at least, probably just a rough estimate with 3-6 months of leeway. And we know they had something far more accurate later on with their announcement in April 2016 that "NX" would release that fiscal year, with HW and SW sales projections making it super-obvious it was not happening during the holidays, so they seemed to have it timed down to 30-60 days a year in advance.
So, if we’re discussing Drake, they'd probably need to know when hardware was going to be released within a 3-6 month timeframe by 2020 at the latest and probably knew the year it would release by the 2nd half of 2019. Not so shockingly, this all aligns pretty closely with the timeline we can see with Switch from the date its R&D began.

And we can see that alignment based on R&D expenditure. Let's see this chart, courtesy of ZhugeEX. You’ll probably notice something.
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Large spike in R&D spending starting in FY03/2014 (which is when it's noted work really got going on Switch R&D), which was persistently up for 3 fiscal years, right up until the fiscal year that featured the launch of Switch, when it levelled off...
... that is, until FY03/2020, when R&D spending saw a massive spike (a 20% increase) and has continued to increase YoY ever since. If we use the same timeline as we saw with Switch and count forward from when R&D expenses spiked, we are currently in the 3rd fiscal year since the R&D spike. Which would mean that R&D expenses should start levelling off in the next few quarters.

Between comparative analysis to Switch’s product development cycle (and, frankly, most other Nintendo hardware over the years, which follows very similar patterns), the Linux commit that indicates a tape-out of T239 and everything else we’re hearing, it’s all pointing to a 2023 release.
 
My rough translation from Spanish to English; he is basically saying "I tried to keep quiet when hardware rumors pops up… but then the info comes and I have to give it up.

He's speculating that the nuswitch is releasing in 2023 but of course we should take it with a grain of salt.
It's Brazillian Portuguese, not Spanish... As far as I'm aware, Nintendo doesn't have a representative unit in SA, no offices or an HQ: https://craft.co/nintendo/locations.

Even if they did or say, they were outsourcing a project to a south american company, they would most definitely not address a task with confidential info (new hardware) involved to a third party in a country where they have little to no presence.

My guess is they would only be fine with doing so (handing out devkits to 3rd parties) in countries like the US, Japan, Canada and some European ones since there they can more effectively handle legal issues directly with those who break NDA.

Necro doesn't know shit, he's probably doing it for clout.
 
My rough translation from Spanish to English; he is basically saying "I tried to keep quiet when hardware rumors pops up… but then the info comes and I have to give it up.

He's speculating that the nuswitch is releasing in 2023 but of course we should take it with a grain of salt.
Yeah, this translation checks out - although it's actually portuguese, not spanish :p

Direct dummy translation would be something like: "I try to keep quiet about hardware rumours, but then the information comes and then I get screwed haha"

And the reply:
"Without any particular context - 23 or 24? 👀", to which he replies 23 (implying 2023).
 
What would be epic to me would if Nintendo did a tease at the game awards and announced a full blown conference for Jan/Feb, sadly Nintendo seems to not give a flip about game awards anymore so im suspecting we have wait until their February earnings meeting to possible hear something
 
What would be epic to me would if Nintendo did a tease at the game awards and announced a full blown conference for Jan/Feb, sadly Nintendo seems to not give a flip about game awards anymore so im suspecting we have wait until their February earnings meeting to possible hear something
Nintendo could always shadowdrop a trailer on youtube right in the middle of TGA for maximum petty
 
Interesting insight from Chris Ding (who presumably has contacts at retailers):




He knows more than just retailers considering his job. Like how Jason knows more than just other reporters, he knows people who work at companies. Chris Dring wouldn’t be any different. But imo, it’s naive to draw any conclusion so soon when we haven’t even seen the Direct for next year that usually pans out the full year, and this is the company who has held Age of Calamity, Switch Sports and even the name of the sequel to the Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild game under wraps really well.


Nintendo can hold their cards so tightly you’d think it’s on their chest, turns out they are holding it inside their mouth.


Edit: some of these responses in the tweet are so weird…

Also, Tears of the Kingdom Special Edition OLED will be announced in February.


I only remember seeing MH6 as a name in the old data breach
That was for “World 2” right? I think they wanted MH6 to be like a sequel to World in a sense.
Performance across the spectrum on Switch games are BAD. Pokemon is just the latest example. Besides as listed in my post, Pokemon Company is absolutely also to be blamed for poor visuals, severe bugs and glitches, etc. They could absolutely do better on Switch hardware but not by much.
What does a marketing company have to do with game development

Dang, really hoped they'd sort out the performance issues by release, and wasn't expecting bugs like this to be honest. Despite the criticisms Sword/Shield and Legends Arceus get, they're pretty stable games. This is... well, it's not looking particularly stable at least visually.

Won't bother me too heavily as I actually kind of like playing buggy games, within reason at least (is that weird?). Going to try and avoid watching too much more about the game as I am still excited for it.

Hopefully they get some patches out soon. Also, hey Nintendo, Drake please.
Well, Drake would probably exacerbate the bugs lol, you never know!

Don't know what Nintendo has in store with their next system, but in-house, they definitely seem to be having fun experimenting with AR/VR.

This patent application was filed in July and published today, but it's a continuation of a Japanese patent application from 2020.

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I'm not sure the title of this thread refers to THAT kind of hardware.
Nintendo did advise to not lick the carts after all…
 
Christopher Dring cleared up his hardware thoughts. Sounds like he was merely speculating regarding any hardware coming in 2023/2024:



Okay, but also nobody in the world knows when sales will drop off. Basically if he's saying Nintendo will wait until sales decline, doesn't that imply they are continually designing new hardware and then delaying it and redesigning it whenever they see that Switch keeps selling? and then on top of that sending new dev kits every time something changes? Something tells me that's not how the industry works...

Also Terrell's post above should have more yeahs.
 
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Okay, but also nobody in the world knows when sales will drop off. Basically if he's saying Nintendo will wait until sales decline, doesn't that imply they are continually designing new hardware and then delaying it and redesigning it whenever they see that Switch keeps selling? and then on top of that sending new dev kits every time something changes? Something tells me that's not how the industry works...
Indeed, this is why it's utterly laughable any time someone tries to make an argument about new hardware timing based on sales. R&D, components, contracts, manufacturing, in-house development, third party support, marketing, every layer adding to the rigidity of this extremely complex process that takes years and involves so many companies outside Nintendo's umbrella. The idea that you can just pull the trigger on that, at either end of the process, after waiting and watching sales charts each year or quarter or whatever and deciding whether or not to do it, is ridiculous.
 
as "NX" had seemed to have taken enough shape that Iwata could confidently (albeit cryptically) discuss it a few months after the TX1 unveiling in March of 2015, and dev kits were being reported to exist in October of 2015 (and quite possibly sooner than that) and demoed to select publishers and devs at E3 that same year, which meant Nintendo would start needing to notify publishers of their rough release window for the device so publishers could set staff requirements




The development proposal for Super Smash Bros Ultimate has been released.
It was created in December 2015, and the target hardware is "NINTENDO NX".
At this point, it seems that the hardware specifications and other details had already been decided.
 
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Oh, are there interesting new things? Quite active here for the (EU) morning.

Also ... i don't know how, but you really managed to horny post in a tech speculation thread. I'm not mad, that is somehow impressive.
 
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Those Pokemon Scarlet/Violet reviews are a big YIKES. Performance and visuals look atrocious. Come on Nintendo, people want new hardware. This is reaching pathetic level now (Pokemon company also gets some of the blame). :(

When does this shit become unacceptable?



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Five Night at Fuecocos. Take it or leave it.

Kinda feel bad for GF. They released Diamond/Pearl, Legends of Arceus and these two in 12 months..

Do we know resolution of the game in handheld and docked btw?Already know FR is in the 20s. I almost wanna wait 6 months to play on Drake. If 720 30fps on switch, should go 1080p 60 fps without dlss, and 1440p after? 🤔
 
This is hot.
Please don't be patented please don't be patented....
In a fantasy world where they have a 1080p 120HZ screen and can negate the laws of physics to not make the weight distribution awful, maybe
IKR?! Current switch weighs about 300g give or take, the headset can be made to be pretty light or light enough. Oculus/Meta Quest 2 is 500G or so…

Or if they have this in mind the Switch main body can be made to be pretty light.

DLSS works with a VR, and Drake has VRS built into the hardware. Nintendo has done Eyetracking before with the 3DS, and nvidia has experience with tracking moving objects with cameras with good precision.


Throw a 9-axis into the switch 2 so your head movement is tracked properly…. little earphones for the projected audio into the ears…


Have an off the shelf 1080p-1440p display, preferably the latter, with 120Hz support… and VRR comes with those OLED ones…


maybe have DLSS 3 Frame Generation just having to be 50-60FPS internally for the external “100-120Hz” feel…

And that should make it efficient enough I think….





This is a gimmick that, well, they can do.


and I like the premise and concept of how it’s executed.


Switch is currently a device that can be only portable, can act as a home console, can be played on the table like a surface device with 2 people, let’s introduce a third facet to this portability.

Though I wonder how they will do AR if they do VR with this🤔
 
I'm going to try and dispel some negativity with some facts... And then some speculation.

Fact: Nintendo's wording has changed, previously stating they are not launching a new system in a given fiscal year, they have now begun referring to the next generation console as simply being "not ready" to be talked about yet.
Speculation: This implies to me that this device is set for a reveal this fiscal year, or they would not have reason to change their wording.
I’ve already posted it once but they haven’t actually changed their wording.
And, I don’t think Furukawa’s declining to comment is much different then earlier in the year. This one is in May of this year:
https://www.thegamer.com/nintendo-president-new-switch-hardware-no-comment/
They then in August said this:
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/nintendo-will-not-be-announcing-new-hardware-this-year/
Where did you even see the “not ready” comment because from what I can tell they just gave another “no comment.”
 
I’ve already posted it once but they haven’t actually changed their wording.

Where did you even see the “not ready” comment because from what I can tell they just gave another “no comment.”


Excerpt from A7 by Ko Shiota (Director, Senior Executive Officer):
We are not at a stage where we can talk about the next-generation platform. But we think it is most important to create unique integrated hardware-software products. The activities we leverage through Nintendo Account should be well connected to those products.
 
Just to add to the list of facts that @Concernt presented.
Nintendo revealed in summer's economic report that the company spent a large amount of money on hardware components. If I recall correctly this is by far the highest stockpiling she had done for a while now. I don't see any reason of doing something like this the moment the switch hardware is losing momentum (in terms of sales).
 
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